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[quote=hesscl34;246582]Our D lost his season for us, period.[/quote]It's not ONLY the defense, but its very mainly the defense.

To build on hess' point though, the offense has YET to put the D in a bad situation. They don't score a lot of points, but look at the field position against. Why oh why can't we stop anyone. Either its a big play or a methodical drive. We never force punts, we never get turnovers. Every once in a while, the opponent misses a FG, giving us good field position. Otherwise, we get pinned inside our 20.

Statistically when starting from the 20, you are going to average 0 "pythageorean points". Meaning a league average offense has just as good of a chance of creating points for the defense (through a turnover or giving godly field position at the 40 or better), as they do of scoring them. Inside the 20, you would be negative, and if you started on the opposing 1, it would be very close to 6. But yeah, field position usually determines what you are going to do points wise.

And our D is killing us.

Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;246576]Why would Campbell boost the morale of the team any more than the loss of Portis would lower it? Portis is the lifeblood of the offense.[/QUOTE]

yet Portis was in the midst of a career low season, with the same starters as last year, all healthy, but with upgrades at the WR position...so why would that be? what's different? the key player struggling with the new offense. why keep no.8 trying to master it this late in the season?

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[quote=illdefined;246592]yet Portis was in the midst of a career low season, with the same starters as last year, all healthy, but with upgrades at the WR position...so why would that be? what's different? the key player struggling with the new offense. why keep no.8 trying to master it this late in the season?[/quote]

Damn that new Saunders Offense!!!!!!! Fire him and let Gibbs have it all back - SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL!

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[quote=GTripp0012;246570]Your carefully selected three game sample size (out of 9 I might add), is stirring but really paints the picture that you want to see. Doesn't look on the season as a whole.[/quote]

I picked the three divisional games because they were the most important. If you want to get technical, I blamed the defense for the Titans loss, even though Brunell's rating for that game was around 69. And how is it that when the defense performs exceptionally bad, it's entirely the defense's fault that Washington lost, but when Brunell looks like a frail old man and puts up three points in a game, it's a team loss?

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[quote=RobH4413;246587]That's some flawed reasoning there my friend.

I don't know what games you've been watching... but teams are able to score early, sustain drives, control the clock, and get the big plays they need.

You prove this yourself, "the skins D ranks dead last in the league, 30th yards given up and last in forced turnovers and sacks (pretty bad)". The Defense IS really that bad. That has nothing to do with our offense.

Brunell may not have been the best QB, but he, and his offense, can by no means can be used for an excuse as to our lack of Defensive play.

Lets put that argument to rest.....please![/quote]Well, there needs to be two sides for there to be an arguement and I at least [I]feel[/I] like I have defended mine well. So if people who think we have really made a step towards improving our football team continue to push the issue, I feel obligated to defend. I think I owe to the community, because without the opposing viewpoint on the Brunell issue, then we aren't going to understand why we were beaten by the Bucs.

A loss to Tampa Bay erases any hope of a WC birth, and I feel as a fan like the team has given up.

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[quote=Southpaw;246532]Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...[/quote]
As a pass catcher, Randel-el has shown nothing to indicate he isn't just mediocre at the position.

As a football player, he's shown incredible potential, and sustained glimpses of brilliance. He is an awesome person to have on your team. You cannot argue against that, its not even worth it.

But as a WR soley catching passes, he hasn't been anything special. He hasn't been given the greatest oppurtunity, but I think Lloyd has made a bigger impact in the passing game. When Lloyd is thrown too, he makes plays. Randel-el has found he can make plays, just usually not catching the ball.

I still think it's pre-mature to conclude anything from this, but it's something to observe nevertheless.

Unfortunatly, No-one should over-analyse much about our stagnant season thus far... It's too filled with variables.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;246595]Well, there needs to be two sides for there to be an arguement and I at least [I]feel[/I] like I have defended mine well. So if people who think we have really made a step towards improving our football team continue to push the issue, I feel obligated to defend. I think I owe to the community, because without the opposing viewpoint on the Brunell issue, then we aren't going to understand why we were beaten by the Bucs.

A loss to Tampa Bay erases any hope of a WC birth, and I feel as a fan like the team has given up.[/QUOTE]

well you 'expected' to lose to the Eagles as well, which makes me question: if you fully expected to lose, why not attempt something to try and change that result? (and why did you bother watching?)

it all comes down to this: physical abilities vs. experience. is Campbell an upgrade over No.8?

can i get a Poll?

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[quote=illdefined;246598]well you 'expected' to lose to the Eagles as well, which makes me question: if you fully expected to lose, why not attempt something to try and change that result? (and why did you bother watching?)

it all comes down to this: physical abilities vs. experience. is Campbell an upgrade over No.8?

can i get a Poll?[/quote]
You won't need a poll. You'll find out in 7 games.

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[quote=Southpaw;246594]I picked the three divisional games because they were the most important. If you want to get technical, I blamed the defense for the Titans loss, even though Brunell's rating for that game was around 69. And how is it that when the defense performs exceptionally bad, it's entirely the defense's fault that Washington lost, [B]but when Brunell looks like a frail old man and puts up three points in a game, it's a team loss?[/B][/quote]Because the defense played bad then too. Brunell has pretty much gone as the rest of the offense has. Inconsistent at times, but if you really analyze things (look past just points, and into [U]why[/U] points were scored), not bad overall.

The defense has been quite consistent this year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;246590]It's not ONLY the defense, but its very mainly the defense.

To build on hess' point though, the offense has YET to put the D in a bad situation. <snip>.[/quote]

3 and out by the Offense is a good thing then?

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;246602]You won't need a poll. You'll find out in 7 games.[/QUOTE]

of course. but we're all convinced now, and thats the fun isn't it?

Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;246603]Because the defense played bad then too. Brunell has pretty much gone as the rest of the offense has. Inconsistent at times, but if you really analyze things (look past just points, and into [U]why[/U] points were scored), not bad overall.

The defense has been quite consistent this year.[/quote]
I've said this before...

Brunell is as good as his team. He cannot lead a team like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He cannot make something from nothing. 2005 for example, with healthy players and a solid defense... He leads the team on a huge 10-6 season. When does the criticism start to reign down on him?

When he's in the play-off game, with no receivers. No timing, nothing. He looked miserable.

Same can be applied to this year, however he has one more year added on him. He looked good against JAX, and played some pretty solid games. But when your "X factor" running-back is hurt... theres not much you can do.

I think Campbell is probably going to be more successful in this offense, once he gets that crucial element of timing down. Don't expect a 400YD performance on sunday. It'll be humbling, but not humiliating.

Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?
 

[quote=illdefined;246598]well you 'expected' to lose to the Eagles as well, which makes me question: if you fully expected to lose, why not attempt something to try and change that result? (and why did you bother watching?)

it all comes down to this: physical abilities vs. experience. is Campbell an upgrade over No.8?

can i get a Poll?[/quote]It's a divisional game, and stranger things have happened. If we had won, it would have been a lucky win, but I know as a confirmed Eagle hater (if theres any bias from me, its certainly anti eagle. I hate them more than Dallas), that if we had somehow managed to pull off the victory, it would have been the sweetest moment of 2006 for me. So I watched in desperate hope.

I agree, why NOT do something drastic and unexpected on defense to try to get at least back to average? Makes no sense to me either.

At the end of the year, we will have objective (key:non-biased) statistical analysis to see who played better. We won't know until then, so a poll is sort of pointless at this point in time.

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[quote=RedskinRat;246604]3 and out by the Offense is a good thing then?[/quote]How often does that happen? Less than league average I'd bet. One thing we've improved on from last year is the number of three and outs have dropped significantly.

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[quote=illdefined;246606]of course. but we're all convinced now, and thats the fun isn't it?[/quote]
Of course, I like the idea...

It's really hard to form an educated guess on that one though. A QB that's never played in the NFL could be amazing, but could be horrible. Statistically I don't think he'll perform better than Brunell, and a portis-less backfield almost guarantees disaster..

That being said, If he does perform well... and our offense does improve. That will say alot about JC.