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[quote=SBXVII;666175]What bothers me is who would we bring in and would we be getting worse by trading out a Vet we already have for some one possibly worse.[/quote]

Jake Plummer.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;666184]I think he meant Starting Qb.

BTW I'll take the 3rd and the 5th. Or better yet the 3rd and Whitner.[/quote]

the 3rd and Whitner would be great. I'm thinking that they are probably offering Whitner and a 5th, though.

[quote=SBXVII;666183]I think we are on the same page. I'd rather see a low 1st round draft pick or second round draft pick for JC. Hell he was a starter and honestly his stats do look good. For teams who wish they could get a Cutler, JC has similar stats.

If the trade value is not good enough then instead of going out hunting down a Vet FA then keep JC and let the Rookie learn the play book better. But I get tired of the whole don't throw the Rookie in. Look at Baltimore their Rookie had an awsome season and did well last yr also, the Jets almost made it to the SB with their Rookie QB, the Falcons have had two decent years with a Rookie. I don't see any problem putting whoever we draft on the field if he is better then JC. Plus we have a back up plan if the Rookie does not work out.[/quote]

i think you're overvaluing him a bit. Sage only got the texans a 3rd. Campbells a little better than him, but not by much. Also, would your feelings about letting Campbell go for a 3rd and conditional 5th in 2011 change if we draft a QB with the 4th overall pick, finish the 2010 season around 8-8, and Campbell walks away as free agent and we receive no compensation in return?

At that point, i think you'd be missing those two draft picks. I hate to break it to you, but this team is not going to be a contender in 2010. Since thats the case, there's no reason to keep ANY player for one year, when we could trade him for a 3rd round pick - a pick that would probably get us a future starting offensive linemen or running back.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;666190]Jake Plummer.[/quote]

That's a joke right?

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[quote=Ruhskins;666186]I think you can throw a rookie to the fire under good conditions, and honestly I don't know if our team has it. I think each of the teams that you mention above have things that we don't have or things that I am not sure how they are going to workout such as:

- Great offensive lines (Jets, Ravens)
- Solid running games (Falcons, Jets, Ravens)
- Elite defenses (Jets, Ravens)
- Good receiving corps (Jets, Falcons)

I know Atlanta seems to be a bit of an exception to the rule, but both the Jets and Ravens had really good situations for their rookie QB to thrive in, and honestly a lot of those areas that I mentioned above are either questionable or not good enough to be able to help a rookie QB succeed.[/quote]Ryan also appears to be the strongest of the three as a player, although with that said, 2010 is going to be a really critical year for his career. Being ahead of the curve as a rookie only takes you so far.

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I wonder if a case could be made to draft Golden Tate in the second if he fell?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;666200]I wonder if a case could be made to draft Golden Tate in the second if he fell?[/quote]

No.

Seriously, no. We don't need more young receivers this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;666195]That's a joke right?[/quote]I sure hope so, this is the second time I've seen his name brought up....unless we're looking for a top notch handball player, Jake ain't the guy.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Plummer]Jake Plummer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[url=http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11586720]Plummer: Shanny firing "was past due" - The Denver Post[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/19/2010-free-agent-quarterback-class-has-a-surprise-entry/]2010 free agent quarterback class has a surprise entry | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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If we made a play for Tate, I'd imagine it would be at the expense of Randle El's roster spot. Not at the playing time of Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell. As far as we know, Moss is still blocking them with his replacement level play.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/25/rumors-swirl-of-jason-campbell-trade/]Rumors swirl of Jason Campbell trade | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Sums up what SmootSmack said earlier but here's a link:

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;666208]I sure hope so, this is the second time I've seen his name brought up....unless we're looking for a top notch handball player, Jake ain't the guy.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Plummer]Jake Plummer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[url=http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11586720]Plummer: Shanny firing "was past due" - The Denver Post[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/19/2010-free-agent-quarterback-class-has-a-surprise-entry/]2010 free agent quarterback class has a surprise entry | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

Brought up both times by the same person

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[quote=diehardskin2982;666200]I wonder if a case could be made to draft Golden Tate in the second if he fell?[/quote]

Vinny give diehardskin his account back.

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[quote=Mattyk;666093][B]The shoulder thing with Bradford is getting a bit tired. If he's given a clean bill of health it's a moot point. [/B] Like SS said, if teams didn't draft players with injury histories there would be no draft. At this point in their lives I don't think there's a player out there without a history of injuries.[/quote]

Thats a bingo.

In the meantime:
[quote]Gailey trading for Campbell?
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Jason Campbell | Redskins | Interested: Bills?, Rams? Top Email

We continue to be interested to see how Jason Campbell fits into the Washington Redskins' long-term plans at QB, given the likelihood that they will draft a gunslinger this April.

A rumor that's been gaining some momentum this week has the Buffalo Bills trading away Donte Whitner and a draft pick in exchange for Campbell, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post. This one could come down to the wire as the 'Skins get a better idea of how NFL-ready the blue chip draft prospects are, or how comfortable they'd be with Colt Brennan leading the team.

Last week, NFC East blogger Matt Mosley raised the idea of a Rams-Redskins deal involving Campbell:


Matt Mosley
Campbell could be available
"I'd be curious to hear what Spagnuolo thought of Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell at this point. Campbell's a restricted free agent for the Skins, but I'm sure Mike Shanahan would listen to offers."[/quote]

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Are you guys freaking morons? Did you even watch a single Redskin game last year? Our quarterback was getting tackled as he was dropping back to pass. How is drafting an unproven rookie quarterback going to improve this situation. You cannot compare the current Redskin situation to the Jets with Sanchez and the Ravens with Flacco. Both of those teams have a solid base around the quarterback and in both cases Sanchez and Flacco do little more that manager the offense. Campbell is not an all-pro, but right now, he is the best option the Skins have. Draft a quarterback at #2 and groom him. The first round pick has to be a franchise tackle.

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The first round pick doesn't HAVE to be a franchise tackle

It's guaranteed that our o-line will not be the same as last year

It's also shown that sometimes Campbell didn't get it out when he HAD time, or move around enough to get out of harm's way

Campbell didn't get the most help from the o-line and maybe receivers (harder to tell from regular game tape) but he's no future HOF even with that.. not likely even pro bowl

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I am decidedly undecided about the #4 pick. I think I am leaning more and more to the grab a QB while we can crowd, and maybe my Redskins history is leading me to that. We have been fortunate for the better part of the last decade to have to bookend OT's in Samuels and Jansen. We used high picks for both. What it gave us was average standings every year, so if we upgrade our line without grabbing a solid qb we may never be in position again to get the qb we need.