Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

Here's an excellent RGIII assessment from a Baylor fan:

Like I have said before. He is a spread quarterback playing in a west coast offense. It does not fit him. He needs to go to a place that runs the true spread. Not the read option, but a run and shoot style spread. That is the bases of our offense here at Baylor. He would understand those concepts and elements better. There is too much of a thought process that goes on with the west coast especially the one hat both Gruden's run. Not only do you have to read the defense, but you have to regurgitate ridiculously long plays that tells everyone what to do; you have to time your drop back with the routes, receivers have to run predetermined routes, and you have about 5 reads. He has to do all this on top of having an offensive line not built to pass protect. He does have issues holding the ball to long. He needs to just let a rip; but honestly he wasn't ready to carry a bad organization. People put to much on him and in fairness he put way to much on himself. I think he was feeling himself just a little, but not as much as it was portrayed; after winning the Heisman and then rookie of the year. He probably thought that he would be able to handle saving a dismal organization. But many great qbs don't have to. As bad as the Colts were people forget the year before they tanked that they made it to the second round of the playoffs. Indy top to bottom was a solid organization when Andrew went there. To make it even more easier on him, the colts brought in his offensive coordinator from Sanford, so he is practically 7 years into the offense that he is directing. He is comfortable because he knows it in and out. That was not the case for Rob. And many would say well the Shanahan's installed the read option for Robert to get him comfortable so that's a wash. No they didn't. Many don't understand that Rob didn't run a read option offense in college. Art Briles offense is not a read option offense. It is a run and shoot hybrid offense with receivers running option routes versus the way the defense is lined up. Quarterback and receivers on the fly determine where to go with the ball and what route to run based on coverage. And there for the pass opens up the run. If you look at stats except for his freshman year Rob didn't run the ball for more than 650 in a season. That was on par with Luck at Stanford. The Shanahan's used Nevada's offensive formation (read option) Rob's rookie year. I know this is long but I am passionate about my bears and seeing them do well in all their endeavors. He needs a change of scenery particularly in a place that has a small media market with a solid organization top to bottom from players, coaches, front office, and owner. He needs a place that runs a spread offense that allows him to make easier pre snap adjustments without heavy progressions and verbiage and will allow him to get in a rythym becaus he is a rythym thrower. And preferably a place where he can sit behind a veteran qb for a couple of years, rest his body, and learn. A place where he doesn't have to be the guy. Denver is a small market city that meet these criterias. New England as well. In fact they have a rookie qb behind Tom Brady that ran our offense for Coach Babers at Eastern Illinois. That's how closely aligned the Patriots offense is with ours. It's not as eccentric and elaborate as ours (there is only one Coach Briles and one Baylor offense) but it is a run and shoot offense so it embodies the same base principals.
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Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Schneed10;1094353]Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.[/quote]



[quote=Mattyk;1094523]Agreed, kinda odd how little heat he's getting. He hasn't done anything to have our support or faith.[/quote]



Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13018/drama-returns-to-redskins-park]Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

[quote]“Robert had some fundamental flaws,” Gruden said of Griffin’s game Sunday in a 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.” [/quote]


He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

If Jay Gruden is your only hope, give up.. This team has played like crap under him.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1094562]If Jay Gruden is your only hope, give up.. This team has played like crap under him.[/QUOTE]


As opposed to last year when they played ....wait a minute - nevermind. Since when does a coach get 10 games to prove himself. Especially when he inherited an absolute disaster and has had to use three different qb's.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1094519]I have always wondered what people are thinking when they say that we are such a terrible team that no coach could succeed with this cast. Only to then turn around and claim the coach to be the problem while acting like our team is loaded with talent. Comparing our talent to Az is laughable, especially that defense. Would a single player on our defense even be able to start for them?

Its like cutting a tomato in half and wondering why you dont get half an apple and half a watermelon.[/QUOTE]

Pssst....they got a whole bunch of scrubs starting for them with Abraham, Dockett and Washington out. They are a well coached team not stacked with over paid under achievers. Coaching plus drafting plus good front office equals wins.

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We can only judge Gruden on what we've seen so far, and it's not pretty. Not much room for error in this league for head coaches, fair or not. Gotta win games to keep your job.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

Pretty bold of Jay Gruden to call out and completely rip his "franchise QB". I wonder if that means RG3 is on thin ice, and perhaps headed out of here. There's probably some "potential" in there with RG3, but honestly I want production. If he can't even remember the number of steps to drop back after 3 years, I'm thinking Cousins or Colt are better suited to system. It's a new system & he's rusty -> but Colt came in without practice and lit it up, and we had a top 5 offense with Cousins (minus the INTs).


Just tired of the drama. Shut the f@#k up until you can win a game again.
Lead by example instead of pointing.
Stop whining on facebook and twitter and act like a man.
Slide. Learn how to slide.

It's bad enough to watch a bad team play bad games, it's worse to see them unravel in the locker room every year.

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[QUOTE]We never should have fired Marty Shottenheimer, he went 8-8 with starting the season terrible, he had a solid resume, only getting 1 season was asinine[/QUOTE]

Truth

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

Colt McCoy is familiar with the West Coast offense, RGIII is still learning and behind the curb. I want to see what RGIII can do with protection, last year doesn't count, Shanahan rushed him. I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet. Let's get him some protection (not a condom) and give him one more chance next year.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1094561]Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13018/drama-returns-to-redskins-park]Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]




He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.[/quote]

Clearly Jay a) doesn't like RG3, b) doesn't have mich choice in who starts and c) wants to get fired.

Jackson should have had 300 yard 3 td game. In any world but Redskins world you would get benched for playing this basic. RG3 is a dud, no sense in standing by him.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1094560]Here's an excellent RGIII assessment from a Baylor fan:

Like I have said before. He is a spread quarterback playing in a west coast offense. It does not fit him. He needs to go to a place that runs the true spread. Not the read option, but a run and shoot style spread. That is the bases of our offense here at Baylor. He would understand those concepts and elements better. There is too much of a thought process that goes on with the west coast especially the one hat both Gruden's run. Not only do you have to read the defense, but you have to regurgitate ridiculously long plays that tells everyone what to do; you have to time your drop back with the routes, receivers have to run predetermined routes, and you have about 5 reads. He has to do all this on top of having an offensive line not built to pass protect. He does have issues holding the ball to long. He needs to just let a rip; but honestly he wasn't ready to carry a bad organization. People put to much on him and in fairness he put way to much on himself. I think he was feeling himself just a little, but not as much as it was portrayed; after winning the Heisman and then rookie of the year. He probably thought that he would be able to handle saving a dismal organization. But many great qbs don't have to. As bad as the Colts were people forget the year before they tanked that they made it to the second round of the playoffs. Indy top to bottom was a solid organization when Andrew went there. To make it even more easier on him, the colts brought in his offensive coordinator from Sanford, so he is practically 7 years into the offense that he is directing. He is comfortable because he knows it in and out. That was not the case for Rob. And many would say well the Shanahan's installed the read option for Robert to get him comfortable so that's a wash. No they didn't. Many don't understand that Rob didn't run a read option offense in college. Art Briles offense is not a read option offense. It is a run and shoot hybrid offense with receivers running option routes versus the way the defense is lined up. Quarterback and receivers on the fly determine where to go with the ball and what route to run based on coverage. And there for the pass opens up the run. If you look at stats except for his freshman year Rob didn't run the ball for more than 650 in a season. That was on par with Luck at Stanford. The Shanahan's used Nevada's offensive formation (read option) Rob's rookie year. I know this is long but I am passionate about my bears and seeing them do well in all their endeavors. He needs a change of scenery particularly in a place that has a small media market with a solid organization top to bottom from players, coaches, front office, and owner. He needs a place that runs a spread offense that allows him to make easier pre snap adjustments without heavy progressions and verbiage and will allow him to get in a rythym becaus he is a rythym thrower. And preferably a place where he can sit behind a veteran qb for a couple of years, rest his body, and learn. A place where he doesn't have to be the guy. Denver is a small market city that meet these criterias. New England as well. In fact they have a rookie qb behind Tom Brady that ran our offense for Coach Babers at Eastern Illinois. That's how closely aligned the Patriots offense is with ours. It's not as eccentric and elaborate as ours (there is only one Coach Briles and one Baylor offense) but it is a run and shoot offense so it embodies the same base principals.
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Awesome post, thanks.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1094572]Colt McCoy is familiar with the West Coast offense, RGIII is still learning and behind the curb. I want to see what RGIII can do with protection, last year doesn't count, Shanahan rushed him. I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet. Let's get him some protection (not a condom) and give him one more chance next year.[/QUOTE]


There have been plenty of plays where he has had protection and still not made the play. Plenty. I think that if he struggles these last 6 games than we have to seriously consider a change. I dont know if i can handle another year of hoping and praying.

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Saw this online today...about sums up the situation...

[b]Rodney Harrison I Think You Have To Get Rid Of RG3[/b]

[url]http://deadspin.com/rodney-harrison-i-think-you-have-to-get-rid-of-rgiii-1659618699[/url]

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Skinzman;1094559][B]You are talking about 2 games.[/B] How many times have we scored, I dont know, 26 points only to give up two 4th quarter TD's by a rookie QB and lose by 3. Yeah that just happened against Minny. And of course, its all RG3's fault because defense doesnt matter. Of course he did hit some things over 15 yards in that game. The Houston game JJ Watt was in the backfield as much as our RB's were. Quick passes became the plan pretty early on in that game. You keep claiming that you are watching but seem to miss some pretty basic stuff.[/quote]

You are talking about 1 game. Lets take RG3's last 16 not counting the Jax game he get hurt 5 mins in. In 16 games 18 TDs, 15 INT, and 7 fumbles, [B]53 sacks taken. [/B] Twenty two turnovers just by himself in 16 games, thats elite. Now before you even start making excuses about the O-line and those sacks, a ton of them are on him. He holds the ball [B]WAY, WAY, WAY, [/B]too long, everyone says so. Now the O-line is leaky for sure, but it is no way, sooo much worse than every other O-line that he should be sacked this many times. [U] In fact this season RG3 has been sacked 13% of his pass attempts, Colt 10%, and Kirk only 3.8%. Last year RG3 sacked on 7.7% of attempts, Kirk 3.1. [/U]

You want to use the D as an excuse? Know who had the 9th most punts in 2013? Rocca. Know why so many? Because RG3 can not do crap on 3rd down, except get sacked. Want to know why he wasn't 1st in number of punts? Because RG3's 22 turnovers, but I guess that is on the D. Crappy Offensive play puts pressure on the D. Not the other way around.

Or you can use RG3 excuse #28302 , it is the coaching staff. Once he gets the right coaches who knows how to coach he will be great. Go check how well the Browns are doing with Kyle Shanahan, without a decent WR, and Hoyer as their QB.

Or you can use RG3 excuse #63840 wellll hes hurt as soon as he gets healthy, we will see this great elite QB. Ya but he is brittle a hell, he missed time in 2 out of 4 college seasons and 3 out of 3 NFL seasons. So keep hoping that he will ever last a whole season.

Or you can use RG3 excuse #34405: his teammates don't play hard enough. He tried to use that one yesterday when he threw his teammates under the bus. Best throw of the day, BTW.

Or you use RG3 excuse #19083 : "The Haters" whatever the Hell that is

At some point you have to stop making excuses and either produce or get lost.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=punch it in;1094576]There have been plenty of plays where he has had protection and still not made the play. Plenty. I think that if he struggles these last 6 games than we have to seriously consider a change. I dont know if i can handle another year of hoping and praying.[/quote]

You are right. In fact,Griffin essentially sacks himself. By holding the ball as he does, realistically he often says, "Please sack me."

The fact that, after sacking himself repeatedly, he still called out other players made me lose respect for RGIII, and I am one of his backers. You can't call out others like that because you are too arrogant to admit that you f***ed up.

No wonder his development is so stunted. No matter how hard you work, it is hard to improve if you spend your time admiring your reflection.