Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=Skinzman;1111019]I dont disagree about coaching being apart of young players progressing, but I also believe that vets can teach younger players as well. Someone like Ryan Clark, I dont think was necessarily a bad thing. He didnt play well last year, but he has done enough where younger players would listen to him when it comes to preparing, taking care of your body, etc. Sometimes the words of a coach can go right over the head of a young guy, but they tend to respect the vets that have done it for a while. Sadly, we may not have had the young player necessary at his position for any teaching to matter, but that doesnt necessarily make it a bad idea in general. It just means we needed better young safeties for a Ryan Clark on a 1 year deal to matter.[/quote]Certainly, if we could get a winning culture in the locker room like the Steelers or Patriots, that would be a good thing. From Ryan Clark's comment awhile back before he rejoined us that . “Being in Washington, they don't care about football. ...", to the preseason scrimmage we had last season with the Pats, where they continued to practice while we signed autographs.

[quote=Skinzman;1111019]Maybe I shouldnt have made the if the only thing comment. But to me, Its not a strong field for safeties. What is the other option? Trading for Goldson doesnt stop us from getting a young guy to back him up, but what are you going to do without him? There doesnt seem to be that one young guy that can come in and start right away. If we do find that guy late in the draft, he will most likely need at least a year to play like a starter. So Goldson can keep that guy on the sidelines for a year so he can learn. Some people, if they fail badly, can mess them up for future years. It can be a confidence killer and some rookies cant handle that. If this was a strong draft for safeties, and one looks like he can start immediately, then you may have a point about getting Goldson here, I just dont see that player being available. It basically cost us nothing, I dont consider swapping a 6th for a 7th to be much at all, and it can be looked at as a 1 year 4 mil contract since we can cut him next year with no cap hit.[/quote]Meh, you're cool, the "only thing" just rubbed me the wrong way. I think we should go with a young guy and take our lumps if necessary. That's how good teams mostly build, not by relying on signing vets.

[quote=Skinzman;1111019]Stop gaps arent necessarily a bad thing. We dont have to force a move or draft pick for a safety. Stop gaps can really let you concentrate on best available with your picks instead of constantly drafting for need. Doing it for however many years we have is terrible, but thats not on McC at all, he just got here.[/quote]McC definitely will need time. Vinnie destroyed what Gibbs built, and it hasn't gotten better since. I would hate if there was a good safety prospect we didn't try out because we had a stopgap. We really do need to go BPA, we have holes nearly everywhere. Need is for teams that only have a few holes.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

It's probably not proper etiquette to call out people on a poll, BUT 6 people said no, and one was a diehard Gnats fan. Come on you other 5, come back home, renounce your vote, and we won't cast you among the blue/red eli lover's shame.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1111181]It's probably not proper etiquette to call out people on a poll, BUT 6 people said no, and one was a diehard Gnats fan. Come on you other 5, come back home, renounce your vote, and we won't cast you among the blue/red eli lover's shame.[/quote]As a Gnats fan, Giantone voting down on the Goldson trade means he thinks it was a good trade, regardless of what he says.

So it appears that BuckSkin, Irrefutable, skinsfan69, skinsnut, and I are the only true Skins fans in the poll. :cheeky:

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1111056]I would hate if there was a good safety prospect we didn't try out because we had a stopgap. [/quote]

Nothing to worry about here.

Real GMs, like McLovin, are constantly looking to upgrade every position including the ones we assume are locked down for a few years.

Whether it's further acquisitions in FA or acquiring more picks in the draft these guys (now anyway) are always grinding.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1111181]It's probably not proper etiquette to call out people on a poll, BUT 6 people said no, and one was a diehard Gnats fan. Come on you other 5, come back home, renounce your vote, and we won't cast you among the blue/red eli lover's shame.[/quote]

If Dallas or Philly signed the guy would people here feel the same way? Nope. The Redskins and the new GM signed him, so it's a good signing. Right? Lol. Cause SM's not capable of making a bad one.

The guy was released by a two win team. Scheme or no scheme they obviously saw that he wasn't capable of making plays and didn't make enough during his time there. I'll stand by my vote on this one, it's a bad signing.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=ethat001;1110950]I wouldn't say meaningless because he's better than last years' old Ryan Clark, and better than having pretty much nothing (which is what we had before we got him).

Clearly age matters at safety and we can't expect too much.. Ryan Clark retired at 35, Polamalu at age 33, Reed at 35 (obviously the last two were among the best all time and that helps longevitiy). Seems to be the proverbial "wall" happens for safeties around 30-32, so the very best we could hope is Goldson would be good for 1 or maybe two years. Not expecting much but hoping for developing a young replacement.[/quote]

How is he any better than Clark? Where's the evidence?

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1111213]How is he any better than Clark? Where's the evidence?[/quote]

5 years younger to start, faster. We will find out soon enough.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1111212]If Dallas or Philly signed the guy would people here feel the same way? Nope. The Redskins and the new GM signed him, so it's a good signing. Right? Lol. Cause SM's not capable of making a bad one.

The guy was released by a two win team. Scheme or no scheme they obviously saw that he wasn't capable of making plays and didn't make enough during his time there. I'll stand by my vote on this one, it's a bad signing.[/quote]

I don't think this is a great signing, but given how low risk and low cost it is I have a hard time calling it a bad one.

If we had given Goldson the deal Tampa Bay gave him when they signed him, then yes it is a bad signing. I believe the Bucs are paying all the guaranteed money; if he doesn't work out then we can part ways with him without losing much (you can never have a risk free signing).

I also don't care much about the fact that Tampa Bay released him; they also released DE Micheal Johnson, who they signed last year to a ton of money and didn't work out. Apparently teams still don't learn from our mistake during the Vinny years of blindly throwing a ton of money at prized free.

For once, I'm glad to be on being the team that scoops up the lucrative free agent acquisition that didn't work out in other team, rather than be the team that makes the lucrative free agent acquisition.

The only think I don't like about this signing is that we didn't get a coverage safety (Goldson is more of a SS IMO).

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

I think we can reserve some judgement until we see the guy in a Skins uniform and how he fits with this D. It's hard to imagine anyone being as bad as Clark was last year.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=Mattyk;1111220]I think we can[B] reserve some judgement [/B]until we see the guy in a Skins uniform and how he fits with this D. It's hard to imagine anyone being as bad as Clark was last year.[/quote]
What would be the point of that?
Cannot we lynch him now and those that.......brung him?

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

I'm not thrilled by the Goldson trade but I also don't see how it could possibly hurt us.

Here's the part that puzzles me: If he was so bad at Tampa, how did he manage to make 81 tackles last season? Did anyone else on their defense tackle anybody?

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

are we still talking about this? we're on the hook for ZERO dollars. if he stinks it up that much in camp, he can be let go, but we needed somebody in case the draft didn't pan out there and no one else steps up.

no one here is deluded into thinking this guy is the next sean taylor or ronnie lott. hopefully he's at least replacement level. if so, that'd be a huge upgrade for us.