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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1155036]Now, don't get me wrong, he had a lot of nut-job ideas too... :)[/QUOTE]



Maybe unattainable ones. He would have fought the corporations tooth and nail. He would have left gays and minorities off of the shit list and treated them like effing human god damned beings. He also looks exactly like Larry David which is always a plus. He would have done good for the environment too. Minor details.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155034]This is why I was surprised Bernie didn't get the nomination. He's another outsider, decent guy, but nope...

Sigh. Hopefully I'll deal with this soon enough because it's exhausting.[/quote]


The southern black vote fucked Bernie from getting that nomination. I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't vote for a guy who was arrested for protesting civil rights or who walked with Martin Luther King over a woman who's policies led to high incarceration rates for blacks.


The sad part of it is, the southern votes shouldn't really even mean anything because they are in deep red states which will always go red in presidential elections.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155034]This is why I was surprised Bernie didn't get the nomination. He's another outsider, decent guy, but nope...

Sigh. Hopefully I'll deal with this soon enough because it's exhausting.[/quote]

Well remember, the Clinton team AND the democratic national party were working together against Bernie.

IMO the dems need to kick Clinton, her entire team and much of the dem national party to the curb. This is an embarrassment to lose to effing trump.

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This is the only silver lining I can see right now...

While I fully expect him to fail spectacularly, I'll be the first to eat crow if he doesn't. Maybe next time the country will find someone who has it right.

Time to start posting more on football. This is the most I've cared or talked about politics in my entire life. Just dragging me down. Will catch you guys on the other side on this one...

Redskins 102, Vikings -3.

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[quote=Chico23231;1154988]meh, people...driven by the outrage porn the media pushes 24/7... are obsessed about race. Guess what? the race exit polls are in line with the last election. Actually Trump slightly won more of the African American vote over Romney and won 30% of the latino vote. 30% of the latino vote, think about that for a second.

The media is not paying attention to the stat that always tells the winner....Who won the "independent" vote. This bullshit has nothing to do about race. Americans went to vote period.

Why is the country seem so divided ? Blame your bullshit fucking president Obama who sat on you hands the last 6 years. I tell you folks are so bias they refused to blame this god aweful leader. Its actually pathetic at this point. fucking pathetic[/quote]

Other than my taxes/insurance going up as a result of Obamacare he really hasn't had a personal impact on me, and my attitude on the taxes/insurance is that they would've gone up anyways (my insurance rates were going up prior to Obamacare as well so I'm not bitter about that, one way or another somebody is going to get theirs at your expense).

For me the main concerns about Trump is his stated plan to undo as much of Obama's executive actions as he can. If he repeals Obamacare and replaces it with something better I am fine with that. But repealing it and doing nothing is unacceptable.

The other strong point is climate change, he has literately stated that global warming is a Chinese hoax. By going lax on the environmental regulations who knows how many years he will set back and you really have to consider the fact that scientists say we are almost at the point where continued inaction will make it impossible to reverse the decline. If he backs out of the Paris treaty and basically tells companies to go wild it could be digging too large of a hole for future generations to take care of the Earth.

My final thing that I am semi-passionate about is immigration/lgbt/African American rights. We have started making progress towards equality for most and if Trump plans to repeal the marriage equality bill well then he's going to piss off a ton of people. And what do people do when they're pissed off over a lack of equal treatment? They riot.

Immigration is a touchy subject but I support stronger border enforcement. I don't think a wall is the answer though especially considering tunnels are becoming a very common method to smuggle drugs and people over the border. The idea that Mexico will pay for a wall is ludicrous too.

I don't really have a choice but to give him a shot and hope things work out for the better but I don't see it happening. Already seeing stories about him electing CEO's of companies to cabinet positions and I absolutely fail to see how private sector leaders would have any public interests at heart. We'll see though.

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[quote=punch it in;1155021]I would start with insulting muslims, mexicans, women, etc and than being elected potus. Minor details. Im glad people are protesting. At least the rest of the world knows that we are not all fans of his crass racist ignorant speech. Do not ever underestimate the power of words.
Edit - c-red remember me accidentally flipping the bird to the old lady who was a cowboy fan? U had a problem with that kind of hate. So i guess im wondering how you could even ask the question "what kind of damage he has done"?[/quote]

Politician/Political fear mongering has gone on forever on both sides of the aisle, it's not destroying or damaging the US, any more than the divisiveness the democratic party has long done. (You possibly don't see it that way, so you probably disagree my belief about the long term damage inflicted on society by the PC crowd.

I'm not going to defend every statement Trump has ever made, there are too many bonehead ones. But I do like that instead of walking around in a PC cloud, he spoke openly about what he sees as the issues, and let the cards fall where they may.

Speaking non-PC in this PC driven world was amazingly refreshing, even if at times it makes you understand how PC speak came into existence.

If he continues the tone once in office then that may well do some long term damage, but whether it was the republican primaries, or the general election, he said and did what he thought it took to defeat his opponents. If he attacks the US's real problems with that same vigor and clear speech, I hope we will see real progress across the cultural spectrum and in the long run a far more united country


As for the flipping the bird incident, it was an overt one on one act which at the time I obviously reacted to. (I don't really remember the details of the encounter - or my comments about it - but you bring it up often enough I clearly reacted strongly).

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Have you seen the video of the grade schoolers chanting build the wall yet? I wonder if they are old enough to differentiate between illegal and legal mexican children who have just as much right to be here as them and their immigrant great grandparents? Probably not. Hope there isnt one in that cafeteria?
The seed of hate has been planted. Im not saying their has not been prejudice before. Not at all. But Trump whether inadvertently or not, has given it a voice. It is scary.

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[quote=punch it in;1155048]Have you seen the video of the grade schoolers chanting build the wall yet? I wonder if they are old enough to differentiate between illegal and legal mexican children who have just as much right to be here as them and their immigrant great grandparents? Probably not. Hope there isnt one in that cafeteria?
The seed of hate has been planted. Im not saying their has not been prejudice before. Not at all. But Trump whether inadvertently or not, has given it a voice. It is scary.[/quote]


I thought this was very good.


[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-wins-uneducated-voters-20161109-story.html]Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1155050]I thought this was very good.


[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-wins-uneducated-voters-20161109-story.html]Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune[/url][/quote]

That's rich coming from Chicago. The uneducated in Chicago...a place where Obama spent a lot of time...have their day, every day. The uneducated spend their days enjoying such past times as live facebooking their own murder, shooting each other and the innocent, and generally living in a modern day Wild West while blaming others for their problems. Chicago's large swath of uneducated are lead by Obama's right hand man Rahm Emanuel.

Rich

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[quote=Chico23231;1155051]That's rich coming from Chicago. The uneducated in Chicago...a place where Obama spent a lot of time...have their day, every day. The uneducated spend their days enjoying such past times as live facebooking their own murder, shooting each other and the innocent, and generally living in a modern day Wild West while blaming others for their problems. Chicago's large swath of uneducated are lead by Obama's right hand man Rahm Emanuel.

Rich[/quote]

I have always liked Garrison Keillor,I know the link says Chicago but I got it from the WP.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1155048]Have you seen the video of the grade schoolers chanting build the wall yet? I wonder if they are old enough to differentiate between illegal and legal mexican children who have just as much right to be here as them and their immigrant great grandparents? Probably not. Hope there isnt one in that cafeteria?
The seed of hate has been planted. Im not saying their has not been prejudice before. Not at all. But Trump whether inadvertently or not, has given it a voice. It is scary.[/QUOTE]



Welcome to Trump's America

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[quote=Giantone;1155050]I thought this was very good.


[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-wins-uneducated-voters-20161109-story.html]Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune[/url][/quote]

Of course you thought it was good.
It was like a butt hurt Hillary staffer wrote it.
Not to mention that the same guy has written books about "being a Democrat".

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1155063]Of course you thought it was good.
It was like a butt hurt Hillary staffer wrote it.
Not to mention that the same guy has written books about "being a Democrat".[/quote]



[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_Keillor[/url]

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No big surprise :doh:

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/europe/trump-campaign-russia.html?_r=0"]Russian Officials Were in Contact With Trump Allies, Diplomat Says[/URL]

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Worth the read

[url=http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501597652/fact-check-donald-trumps-first-100-days-action-plan]FACT CHECK: Donald Trump's Plan For His First 100 Days As President : NPR[/url]