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Okay, so Gibbs has a bad season his first year back in the NFL. Realistically, we should have expected him to have a bad 1st year. Then, Gibbs guides us to our first playoff berth in 6 years. I don't think anyone can complain about that. Finally, Gibbs has a bad year in 2006. So, now people are ready to junk him and go back to the pre-Gibbs II era? No thanks, I'll take my chances with a Gibbs.

I feel sick.

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Can we all at least agree on one thing that we should have to see at FedEx ever again. I'm talking about [B]The Funky Four.[/B] I couldn't be more sick of them, especially in games that we're trailing. And the worst part is that the majority of their old ass routine is just a FedEx commercial on the big screens anymore. I really hate them.
I hope I'm not the only one.

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While I'm terribly dissappointed in this season, I don't really lay everything that happened at Joe Gibbs feet. I truly believe that this team will be ten times better next year. For one Gibbs is not a loser, and you can see that this season has really bothered him. And he desperatlely wants to prove all of the na-sayers wrong. I think that there were many factors that contributed to this sorry ass season.

1.Mark Brunells sorry play
2.Joe Gibbs waiting to long to pull Burnell
3.Injury to CP
4.Injury to SS
5.Who would have thought AA would be that bad
6.GW's defense not playing like they are capable of
7.Joe Gibbs handing over the play calling
8.Too light of a off season and preseason

However I think that Gibbs is pissed and you will definetly see a different approach next year. With better results.

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Who thinks the cut on his hand after the game came from him punching a locker???? I DO!!!

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[quote=hesscl34;255772]Who thinks the cut on his hand after the game came from him punching a locker???? I DO!!![/quote]

He needs to punch a few players instead:)

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He needs to punch Al Saunders (just my opinion).

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[quote=hesscl34;255776]He needs to punch Al Saunders (just my opinion).[/quote]

Aren't they about the same age, that would be an interesting match!

I bet Gibbs would fight his guts out.

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Too bad Gibbs is a praying man, not a fighting man....

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[quote=hesscl34;255780]Too bad Gibbs is a praying man, not a fighting man....[/quote]


Hess,

If Gibbs has an issue with Al Saunders play calling wouldn't you think he would take over the offense and put Al on the shelf?

I don't see Gibbs letting the season go in the tank by sticking with Saunders. But........ Gibbs is loyal to his guys.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255648]And look at what coaches in New Orleans and the NY Jets have done in 1 year. Look at what Nolan has done in SF in 2 years. All of them started with less talent than Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Ok you tell me, what exactly have the coaches in NO, NY, and SF done that's so great?

As for talent I disagree. Spurrier left this team in shambles. When Gibbs arrived there were 2 legitimate NFL players on this team - Coles and Bailey - and both wanted out.

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[QUOTE=mason4415;255657]"Be careful what we wish for"???? Are you kidding me? HOW COULD IT BE ANY WORSE?![/QUOTE]

Here's how it could be worse:

- We could have the same record with a decent but soft coach who could never get his players properly focused or motivated. We could put up with this for 7 years, while only tasting the playoffs once. (The Turner Era)

- We could hire some flashy college genius to come in here and revolutionize the modern NFL offense. He could totally abandon the defense, while his offensive "blocking" schemes rattle our young QB so much that he never fully recovers. And he could do all this to pad his own ego without giving the slightest thought to the future or stability of our franchise. (The Spurrier Era)

- We could hire Dennis Green.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;255826]Ok you tell me, what exactly have the coaches in NO, NY, and SF done that's so great?

As for talent I disagree. Spurrier left this team in shambles. When Gibbs arrived there were 2 legitimate NFL players on this team - Coles and Bailey - and both wanted out.[/quote]


One word what those teams have that we dont....hope. They have shown that they can build a team with good young talent through the draft and free agency, we have not. Plus, they are still in contention for the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;255672]The description under your name is pretty ironic, CC. There are still 4 games left to play but it's already "on to '07," but it isn't because the coaching staff is doing a bad job?[/QUOTE]

I never said the coaching staff wasn't to blame. I haven't disagreed with any claims made about the clock management, talent evaluation, etc.

But it bugs me to hear Redskin fans trying to run Gibbs out of town. He is the greatest coach in franchise history. He has 3 rings. The one playoff appearance we've had in 3 years under Gibbs 2.0 matches the one playoff appearance we had in 11 years after he left. But most importantly he cares about the future and stability of our team.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255833]One word what those teams have that we dont....hope. They have shown that they can build a team with good young talent through the draft and free agency, we have not. Plus, they are still in contention for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you don't have hope. But don't speak for everyone. I, and I'm sure many others, see a lot of young talent on this team. Campbell, Cooley, Moss, Portis, Lloyd, Taylor, McIntosh, Golston, Washington, (just to name a few)

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255833]One word what those teams have that we dont....hope. They have shown that they can build a team with good young talent through the draft and free agency, we have not. Plus, they are still in contention for the playoffs.[/quote]


sean taylor, carlos rogers, chris cooley, jason campbell, marcus washington, santanna moss, clinton portis, they all seem to be young and talented. we were a good team last year, a bad team this year but with gibbs and greg williams running things i have , not only "hope" but "confidence" that we will return to greatness.

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[quote=TAFKAS;255841]Maybe you don't have hope. But don't speak for everyone. I, and I'm sure many others, see a lot of young talent on this team. Campbell, Cooley, Moss, Portis, Lloyd, Taylor, McIntosh, Golston, Washington, (just to name a few)[/quote]


Did I ever say I was speaking for you or anyone else TAFKAS? I have my opinion, you have yours.

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[QUOTE=mason4415;255685]It's funny how Skins fans view Joe Gibbs compared to other legends in other cities. For example, here in Pitttsburgh. They have been calling for Bill Cowher's head practically the entire season, criticizing everything from his drive to his lack of "chin" this year. And he won the Super Bowl LAST YEAR! Gibbs last won a super bowl in 1991 and he gets this lifetime free pass. I don't get it.[/QUOTE]

In my books Gibbs does get a lifetime free pass, and he deserves it.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255833]One word what those teams have that we dont....hope. They have shown that they can build a team with good young talent through the draft and free agency, we have not. Plus, they are still in contention for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I have hope and the only reason is Joe Gibbs!

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;255734]I agree with you on your Gibbs points and I think the guy who called us the Arizona Cards of the East is overexaggerating. But I just want to point out to be fair that 25% of NFL teams get within a game of the Conference Championship every year. 25% of the NFC gets within a game of the NFC championship every year.

So while I think Gibbs should be commened for the job he did with the offense and turning the season around last year, but getting within one game of the conference championship isnt THAT great of an accomplishment.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I'm not saying that making the 2nd round of the playoffs is some amazing feat. But to compare us to the Arizona Cardinals makes no sense at all.

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And for the record my vote still shows "no", even though that was my reply to the original question.

I know it doesn't really make a difference, just wanted to clear my conscience.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255846]Did I ever say I was speaking for you or anyone else TAFKAS? I have my opinion, you have yours.[/QUOTE]

Well you said "one word what those teams have that we don't...hope"

Guess I took that to mean we, as in all of us, lack hope.

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Thanks TAFKAS!

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[quote=724Skinsfan;255870]Thanks TAFKAS![/quote]

I just wanted to see what that would look like over top my sig. Not as impressive as I thought.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255584]I know it's tough, but just pretend these are two different people:

[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/24/39409469_815a1524e6_m.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/28/281459.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


LOL!!!!!! One was operating with a gm. The other is the head coach/gm/president.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;255859]I agree, I'm not saying that making the 2nd round of the playoffs is some amazing feat. But to compare us to the Arizona Cardinals makes no sense at all.[/quote]

We are not much better since 92. Since Gibbs left after the 92 season we have made the playoffs twice. So over the last 14 years that 2 playoffs appearances. Not too good.

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Instead of critizicing, Every true redskin fan should support the team. This year is just a bad year as the many years we had, but i know things will be better. [B]GIBBS WILL GET IT DONE!!! GO REDSKINS!!!! [/B]

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Man this thead is still active?

[B]Once again for the love of God: Gibbs isn't going anywhere[/B]

Just get over it already. People have been (excuse my french) bitching about this since the Redskins started sucking this season. Lets see the whiners get in there and do a better job. Once you do, I'll agree Gibbs needs to take his walking papers. God, its like if you don't get to the playoffs [B]every[/B] year then something must be wrong with: The front office, the coaches, the players, God himself. And that means we should fire everyone and start all over again because there are SO many better coaches out there besides Joe Gibbs, right? The players on the otherhand, I could see some cuts and some new faces, but what happened to the whole, "stick with what you know" approach? Just because you go to the playoffs one year, doesn't mean that all of a sudden, you're supposed the new Colts and everything is just supposed to gel. And you're supposed to go 16-0 and beat on everyone in your division and go to the Superbowl. Especially when half of last year's squad is gone!

Granted, everyone had high hopes considering the new faces and high played players brought in here, and I believe everyones disappointed, but disappointed enough to wanna fire a Hall of Fame coach? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I hate it as much as everyone does when the Skins look like a bunch of pop warner football players running around like chickens with their heads cut off but damned if the so called "diehard" fans aren't the first to jump off the bandwagon when things go sour.

People are just like sheep. Poor helpless sheep that need to be put down. :Smoker:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;255933]Man this thead is still active?

[B]Once again for the love of God: Gibbs isn't going anywhere[/B]

Just get over it already. People have been (excuse my french) bitching about this since the Redskins started sucking this season. Lets see the whiners get in there and do a better job. Once you do, I'll agree Gibbs needs to take his walking papers. God, its like if you don't get to the playoffs [B]every[/B] year then something must be wrong with: The front office, the coaches, the players, God himself. And that means we should fire everyone and start all over again because there are SO many better coaches out there besides Joe Gibbs, right? The players on the otherhand, I could see some cuts and some new faces, but what happened to the whole, "stick with what you know" approach? Just because you go to the playoffs one year, doesn't mean that all of a sudden, you're supposed the new Colts and everything is just supposed to gel. And you're supposed to go 16-0 and beat on everyone in your division and go to the Superbowl. Especially when half of last year's squad is gone!

Granted, everyone had high hopes considering the new faces and high played players brought in here, and I believe everyones disappointed, but disappointed enough to wanna fire a Hall of Fame coach? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I hate it as much as everyone does when the Skins look like a bunch of pop warner football players running around like chickens with their heads cut off but damned if the so called "diehard" fans aren't the first to jump off the bandwagon when things go sour.

People are just like sheep. Poor helpless sheep that need to be put down. :Smoker:[/quote]
you are so cool

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Im not jumping off this bandwagon...Joe Gibbs is an excellent coach....3 rings with 3 different QB's....and Im gonna say this a grip load of times, Joe Gibbs didn't just come to the skins and we started winning, He had like 3 losing seasons! JUST GIVE HIM A BREAK OK!?...Steve Spurrier couldn't do much a better job...we were on the verge of finishing 2-14 under him.....

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;255933]People are just like sheep. Poor helpless sheep that need to be put down. :Smoker:[/QUOTE] So you're not? You're not just following everyone else? You think this team is going to get better based on blind faith, but you're somehow different than people how look at this team going down the crapper and worry?

And I really don't think any of us that don't have much faith don't still love this team. Likewise, I'd be thrilled if Gibbs could turn it all around. I'd be suprised, but I'd be happy.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;255909]LOL!!!!!! One was operating with a gm. The other is the head coach/gm/president.[/QUOTE]

Good point. It's like we tried to bring back everything that made us such a powerhouse in the 80's except a great GM.

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[url=http://www.bramshow.com/home.php]Bram Show[/url]

Jason Campbell is running the Joe Gibbs offense. No one is running the Gregg Williams defense. And now the mother of all off-seasons awaits.
In Redskin land, there is no such thing as plan B and thus the patience of Dan Snyder will be tested, as it never has before. Should Gibbs be true to his word and decide to return for a fourth and potentially fifth season, will Snyder force him to make changes? For the first time under his stewardship, Snyder has a coach he can’t micromanage. You can’t mess with an icon, even if the icon is the pilot of a crashing jet. You just put on your oxygen mask and use some blind faith.

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I just find it funny how this thread is so 'lame', and you have no faith in Gibbs if you doubt the direction of the team right now.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255979][url=http://www.bramshow.com/home.php]Bram Show[/url][/QUOTE]

Interesting find. I bet a lot of people are going to say that it's all wrong but then they won't say why. Should be fun.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;255933]Man this thead is still active?

[B]Once again for the love of God: Gibbs isn't going anywhere[/B]

Just get over it already. People have been (excuse my french) bitching about this since the Redskins started sucking this season. Lets see the whiners get in there and do a better job. Once you do, I'll agree Gibbs needs to take his walking papers. God, its like if you don't get to the playoffs [B]every[/B] year then something must be wrong with: The front office, the coaches, the players, God himself. And that means we should fire everyone and start all over again because there are SO many better coaches out there besides Joe Gibbs, right? The players on the otherhand, I could see some cuts and some new faces, but what happened to the whole, "stick with what you know" approach? Just because you go to the playoffs one year, doesn't mean that all of a sudden, you're supposed the new Colts and everything is just supposed to gel. And you're supposed to go 16-0 and beat on everyone in your division and go to the Superbowl. Especially when half of last year's squad is gone!

Granted, everyone had high hopes considering the new faces and high played players brought in here, and I believe everyones disappointed, but disappointed enough to wanna fire a Hall of Fame coach? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I hate it as much as everyone does when the Skins look like a bunch of pop warner football players running around like chickens with their heads cut off but damned if the so called "diehard" fans aren't the first to jump off the bandwagon when things go sour.

People are just like sheep. Poor helpless sheep that need to be put down. :Smoker:[/QUOTE]

Yes yes!!!! I'm with you man!

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;255957]So you're not? You're not just following everyone else? You think this team is going to get better based on blind faith, but you're somehow different than people how look at this team going down the crapper and worry?

And I really don't think any of us that don't have much faith don't still love this team. Likewise, I'd be thrilled if Gibbs could turn it all around. I'd be suprised, but I'd be happy.[/QUOTE]

Blind faith is a redundant phrase. All faith is blind, considering faith is based on the beliefs of things unseen. With a man who has been more than successful coaching in this league and has championships to prove it, and can go to another sport and put together a championship team there as well, it's really not so strange why people would be patient with Gibbs. Oh, and don't give me the same tired "the game has changed since he coached in the 80's"....nothing has dramatically changed so much that a coaching mind like Joe Gibbs can't adjust to. If anything that has changed is been the attitudes of the players. It's became too much of a "me" type of game...nobody has loyality or patience to stick it out with one team anymore. In my opinion, it is tougher for guys like Gibbs to coach up good teams....NOT because of the game, but because of the players.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;255933]Man this thead is still active?

[B]Once again for the love of God: Gibbs isn't going anywhere[/B]

Just get over it already. People have been (excuse my french) bitching about this since the Redskins started sucking this season. Lets see the whiners get in there and do a better job. Once you do, I'll agree Gibbs needs to take his walking papers. God, its like if you don't get to the playoffs [B]every[/B] year then something must be wrong with: The front office, the coaches, the players, God himself. And that means we should fire everyone and start all over again because there are SO many better coaches out there besides Joe Gibbs, right? The players on the otherhand, I could see some cuts and some new faces, but what happened to the whole, "stick with what you know" approach? Just because you go to the playoffs one year, doesn't mean that all of a sudden, you're supposed the new Colts and everything is just supposed to gel. And you're supposed to go 16-0 and beat on everyone in your division and go to the Superbowl. Especially when half of last year's squad is gone!

Granted, everyone had high hopes considering the new faces and high played players brought in here, and I believe everyones disappointed, but disappointed enough to wanna fire a Hall of Fame coach? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I hate it as much as everyone does when the Skins look like a bunch of pop warner football players running around like chickens with their heads cut off but damned if the so called "diehard" fans aren't the first to jump off the bandwagon when things go sour.

People are just like sheep. Poor helpless sheep that need to be put down. :Smoker:[/quote]


So, the few of us (yes Matt I said few as your poll does indicate that) who have the balls to call for the resignation of a Hall of Fame Coach are "sheep" even though we support our argument with facts, while you who continue to blindly follow the Hall of Fame coach and give him a "lifetime pass" are the better fans? That is some interesting logic. Do you think we like what the state of the team is? Do you think we enjoy tuning in each and every week to watch this team lose? The sheep are those that never question the logic and the decision making even though the slaughterhouse is dead ahead.

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[quote=skinsguy;255986]Blind faith is a redundant phrase. All faith is blind, considering faith is based on the beliefs of things unseen. With a man who has been more than successful coaching in this league and has championships to prove it, and can go to another sport and put together a championship team there as well, it's really not so strange why people would be patient with Gibbs. Oh, and don't give me the same tired "the game has changed since he coached in the 80's"....nothing has dramatically changed so much that a coaching mind like Joe Gibbs can't adjust to. If anything that has changed is been the attitudes of the players. It's became too much of a "me" type of game...nobody has loyality or patience to stick it out with one team anymore. In my opinion, it is tougher for guys like Gibbs to coach up good teams....NOT because of the game, but because of the players.[/quote]


So its the players, not the coach. One question, who ultimately selected these players? And two, under your philosophy a head coach should never ever be fired, because its not the coach, its the players. Oh yeah, by the way, Gibbs won 3 superbowls with a qualified GM, not with him and Vinny coming up with a "Redskin Score."

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I guess there's alot of blind faith followers here I guess. Or maybe we just don't have the "balls" that certain individuals do. I knew there would be some sort of lame reason to explain away the poll results.

It's not a black and white issue. Those that have faith in this staff can and still do question the current state of things. I'm not happy with the current situation, I never said I was. I just don't want to see another coaching upheaval. Consistency starts at the top of an organization, and making another change will put us back at square one again.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255993]I guess there's alot of blind faith followers here I guess. Or maybe we just don't have the "balls" that certain individuals do. I knew there would be some sort of lame reason to explain away the poll results.

It's not a black and white issue. Those that have faith in this staff can and still do question the current state of things. I'm not happy with the current situation, I never said I was.[/quote]


OH GREAT MATT, I never made an excuse for the poll results, you posted the poll and it looks like about 18% agree with me, so you are right that most redskins fans on this site agree with you. Does that make them right? No. Most voters voted Bush to a 2nd term (Im a Republican by the way, and I did too) but that doesn't make them right. So, if I represent the distinct minority, then so be it. You cannot deny that you're a blind faith follower Matt, you probably wanted Spurrier to stay on as well. STAY THE COURSE TITANIC MAN. By the way, I never did hear that argument to bring Gibbs back for a 4th season based upon his performance over the last 3 years, but that's ok, you have your poll.