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[QUOTE=drew54;304260]I am hoping the last pick they take [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/thomas_walter"]Walter Thomas[/URL][/QUOTE]

would love to have him which means we have no chance. I am so lost at what we are doing. They must have a hat that they are picking names out of

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well MB and TC aren't getting any younger... i see that as a pick for the future

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shut your mouth die hard, take your negativity somewhere else

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jordan palmer huh nice what a pick could be a great backup

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I mean, I think they needed a qb to replace Brunell and Collins, too, but I thought Joe liked veterans. They're gonna go into the season with 2 young qbs and a vet? Or put Jordan on the practice squad. I don't like the move that much. It's not a totally bad pick, but I wish they had taken a lineman.

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someone write down all the haters here. saying gibbs should keep his mouth shut, that we suck , etc.... theres no need to say we suck or anything about gibbs. these players have yet to hit the field.

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[QUOTE=drew54;304260]I am hoping the last pick they take [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/thomas_walter"]Walter Thomas[/URL][/QUOTE]

I like! I would have threw a draft pick at him already, why not, we just threw away 3 picks, Maybe Palmer might be salvageable, but considering our needs I can't see a reason not to give him a shot?

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I'll reserve judgement until I see these kids play, but I'm pretty annoyed that we haven't taken a single d-linemen yet. Does the coaching staff actually believe that our defensive line is good to go for this season? I mean pass rushers can be found just about anywhere in the draft. Chicago got Mark Anderson last year in the 5th round, and he had 12 sacks. Denver got Elvis Dumervil last year in like the 4th round, and he had 8 sacks. In all of Joe Gibbs' years here, we have never gotten a quality player in the later rounds, either just a backup that never sees the field, or camp fodder.

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[quote=DieHardSince76;304262]We took a QB, Carson Palmer's brother, at no. 205. Obviously, they are going by the "best player available" method now. Forget the DL. I give up on this FO. The Return of Gibbs experiment will go down in Skins history as a glorious failure.[/quote]

That is what MOST SMART teams do, BEST PLAYER. Yes we need the D-line help.......But your outta your mind on the Joe Gibbs part!

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The general thought is Palmer has raw talent, just needs to be coached. But my question is, are we going to carry 4 QB's next year?????

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Nah I think Palmer will end up on the practice squad. Either that or Todd Collins will get released.

I'm kinda disappointed we didn't take an offensive guard either. It's not they couldn't bring in one guy to compete since we don't have a clear cut starter there.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;304279]That is what MOST SMART teams do, BEST PLAYER. Yes we need the D-line help.......But your outta your mind on the Joe Gibbs part![/QUOTE]

I agree he's out of his mind on this one. How can anyone call Joe Gibbs part 2 a glorious failure because of who we picked from round 5-7????? That doesn't make sense at all. This draft will not define Gibbs in any measure.

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[quote=jsarno;304282]The general thought is Palmer has raw talent, just needs to be coached. But my question is, are we going to carry 4 QB's next year?????[/quote]

No. Releasing Collins saves us 1.2 million. If this guy can prove worthy of a 3rd round QB option, we will free up some money for the DL. It seems clear that the FO has a plan for getting a free agent, someone from another team, or post June 1 cut to fill that void.

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[QUOTE=mooby;304285]Nah I think Palmer will end up on the practice squad. Either that or Todd Collins will get released.

I'm kinda disappointed we didn't take an offensive guard either. It's not they couldn't bring in one guy to compete since we don't have a clear cut starter there.[/QUOTE]

How many times has a QB come out of the practice squad to be an effective QB?
I don't think Todd Collins is worth a squirt of piss, so I could care less if he is dropped to make room for Palmer.

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[QUOTE=mooby;304285]Nah I think Palmer will end up on the practice squad. Either that or Todd Collins will get released.

I'm kinda disappointed we didn't take an offensive guard either. It's not they couldn't bring in one guy to compete since we don't have a clear cut starter there.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking the same thing about the guards. You can get a lineman who can play late in the draft. Guess the Skins didn't think so.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!;304291]No. Releasing Collins saves us 1.2 million. If this guy can prove worthy of a 3rd round QB option, we will free up some money for the DL. It seems clear that the FO has a plan for getting a free agent, someone from another team, or post June 1 cut to fill that void.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good to me, cause we need it.

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Hey...we actually got our blocking TE!

Blind squirrel just found a nut.

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We didn't draft one DL. Say what? Now we have to either trade away more picks for some broken-down underachiever or hope that someone cuts a big-salary, probably disgruntled, lineman or two in June. What brilliant management. Jack Kent Cooke, why did you die? And why didn't you leave the team to John? Why?

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[QUOTE=DieHardSince76;304305]We didn't draft one DL. Say what? Now we have to either trade away more picks for some broken-down underachiever or hope that someone cuts a big-salary, probably disgruntled, lineman or two in June. What brilliant management. Jack Kent Cooke, why did you die? And why didn't you leave the team to John? Why?[/QUOTE]

I have been yelling and screaming DL, DL!!!! But with the exception of DL, we are looking good across the board IMO. Get one exceptional DE after June 1st cuts, and we could be sitting pretty.

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[QUOTE=DieHardSince76;304305]And why didn't you leave the team to John? Why?[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly.

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[quote=jsarno;304308]I have been yelling and screaming DL, DL!!!! But with the exception of DL, we are looking good across the board IMO. Get one exceptional DE after June 1st cuts, and we could be sitting pretty.[/quote]It's going to be a long defensive rebuilding process, but if we use 2 day 1 picks on the DL next year, we could have a semblance of a competant defense by 2009.

We are strong in the back 7, so I remain hopeful that Greg Williams can pull some strings and get this defense fixed on a temporary basis. He can't account for the lack of talent, but if he keeps us unpredictable, we just might luck in to a top 20 defensive finish this year. If we can improve our short yardage running game, that might be good enough for a playoff birth.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;304311]It's going to be a long defensive rebuilding process, but if we use 2 day 1 picks on the DL next year, we could have a semblance of a competant defense by 2009.

We are strong in the back 7, so I remain hopeful that Greg Williams can pull some strings and get this defense fixed on a temporary basis. He can't account for the lack of talent, but if he keeps us unpredictable, we just might luck in to a top 20 defensive finish this year. If we can improve our short yardage running game, that might be good enough for a playoff birth.[/QUOTE]

I think you're being a little harsh on the defense. Our secondary was the main issue last year, and this year we are primed to have one of the best secondaries. Our LB's are better than last year, and if (I know that's a big IF) we pick up a GOOD DE after June 1st, there should be no reason AT ALL that we don't see a top 10 defense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;304311]It's going to be a long defensive rebuilding process, but if we use 2 day 1 picks on the DL next year, we could have a semblance of a competant defense by 2009.

We are strong in the back 7, so I remain hopeful that Greg Williams can pull some strings and get this defense fixed on a temporary basis. He can't account for the lack of talent, but if he keeps us unpredictable, we just might luck in to a top 20 defensive finish this year. If we can improve our short yardage running game, that might be good enough for a playoff birth.[/quote]


Why is it going to be a long process? GW turned it around in one year in 2004. Williams is arguably the best defensive coordinator in the league. Last year was an exception. If they pick up one good d lineman and Griffin and Springs stay healthy we are back in the top 5.

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[quote=jsarno;304314]I think you're being a little harsh on the defense. Our secondary was the main issue last year, and this year we are primed to have one of the best secondaries. Our LB's are better than last year, and if (I know that's a big IF) we pick up a GOOD DE after June 1st, there should be no reason AT ALL that we don't see a top 10 defense.[/quote]

The lack of a pass rush from the line allowed the secondary to be picked apart. The secondary is in good shape.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;304319]The lack of a pass rush from the line allowed the secondary to be picked apart. The secondary is in good shape.[/QUOTE]

So you are agreeing with me then?

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Drafting Palmer is a Joe Gibbs/Beatherd kinda move. The Skin's have taken QB's later in the draft and coached them up for a couple of years before they ever hit the field. It has worked out well in the past...Mark Rypien comes to mind.

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Collins might find his way onto our coaching staff.

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[QUOTE=TrustinGibbs;304323]Drafting Palmer is a Joe Gibbs/Beatherd kinda move. The Skin's have taken QB's later in the draft and coached them up for a couple of years before they ever hit the field. It has worked out well in the past...Mark Rypien comes to mind.[/QUOTE]

While Rypien did benefit from this, most do not...remember Cary Conklin, or Chris Hakel, or Gus Frerotte, or Todd Husak, or Sage Rosenfels, or Gilbran Hamdan???? These were all QB's drafted since 1990 by us after the 1st or 2nd round for the soul purpose of trying to "develope" them. None have worked out. So while Palmer could be the next Rypien (I hope he's better), I am wagering he's the next Todd Husak.

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[QUOTE=TrustinGibbs;304323]Drafting Palmer is a Joe Gibbs/Beatherd kinda move. The Skin's have taken QB's later in the draft and coached them up for a couple of years before they ever hit the field. It has worked out well in the past...Mark Rypien comes to mind.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, and I forgot...that was in 86...21 years ago!

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I guess I am guilty of following the team too much, but the writing has been on the wall for almost all of these moves. Gibbs said yesterday, that we would look for LB depth later in the draft, and we got two late round DT's last year, hence no DL today. It was also obvious that if we stayed at six we were going to pick LL or Okoye. LL won out because he brings more immediate impact, is more likely worth a top contract, and he was rated higher on our draft board.

There was talk of taking a late round feeler at QB, we have very old players at second and third string. You can always stick a project QB on the practice squad for a year or two while you get to know him.

On the guard front, Bugel and Gibbs both expressed an unwillingness to go after late round projects in favor of picking up second tier players with NFL starting experience after the failed experiment of a few years ago. We went after a gaggle of those veteran players in FA and resigned Todd Wade, that's why we didn't draft a guard late. We have depth at OL and we've still got some young projects like Kili Lefotu, the guy who collapsed in his dorm room last year.

The restructuring of Reynoldo Wynn signals that the team is willing to go into the year as is, but will obviously explore trade and cap casualty pick ups. The LB's we drafted can also be special teamers. For instance, Dallas (cringe) Sartz has long arms and blocked a bunch of kicks in his career, if I am not mistaken. Last year we tried to carry fewer LB's and played special teams with more FB's and safeties than usual. The defensive line is still a huge question mark, but the team is solidifying other positions and addressing other needs at the moment. Hopefully they can add a good DE post draft at a reasonable price. We'll just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately this team just lost a lot of ground to the rest of the league in the last two days. The positive side is that they appear to be using restraint so this doesn't happen again next year, or in years to come. That's why all along I've been looking at this through a two or three year prism. Even next year, it is not like DL is going to be our only issue.

We'll be lucky if any of these late rounders makes a positive impact next year, but that is the norm and to be expected. Getting bent out of shape that we didn't address more immediate needs in the late rounds today is a bit of a reach. Those are not players you pencil in as early contributors. We are simply paying for past mistakes with the cap and with draft picks this year. But working with what little we have, the team does seem to be following through on a thought out plan. The appearance of grasping at straws stems mostly from our past blunders and the fact that this year is a year to repent and start looking towards the future without completely compromising Gibb's ability to field a competitive team next year.

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we dont need palmer though we have bramlit playing in nfle.he would take care of that qb need.

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yeah i agree with you 10-6, but i think our window will be closed in 2-4 years when our O line is officially old . . . if we are to make a run at a SB i really think its '09 maybe '10 . . .after that we can hopefully rebuild around campbell and stock up again but it will be with a different RB, diff OL and moss might not be the game changer he is now and will be for the next 3 plus years!!

speaking of moss, i love how he can separate from defenders and create space . . . coles had great hands ala cooley but he couldnt make plays on his own like santana!!!

wish we had taken a shot with cosby but well see what happens . . .

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Excellent post, TenandSix. Let's hope for the best, but expect to be run on and to get to the opposing QB but rarely.

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The best thing that happend in the draft for the Redskins is that they didn't trade any of next years picks away. I am thrilled about that. I wish that they would have picked the kicker from Colorado though.

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Does anyone know the status of Cory Redding? I say we trade next years 1st and Shawn Springs for Redding and a 3rd rounder. Apparently Redding doesn't want to be in Detroit anymore (who does) and has the ability to play DT and DE.

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If Landry turns out well, this is a successful draft, IMO. It's hard to do much on the second day.

And just maybe the FO has learned the value of keeping draft picks. That would be something good to come out of all this.

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We haven't traded next years draft picks yet 89moss89.. let's keep our fingers crossed that they keep those draft picks

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;304410]If Landry turns out well, this is a successful draft, IMO. It's hard to do much on the second day.

And just maybe the FO has learned the value of keeping draft picks. That would be something good to come out of all this.[/QUOTE]


Good point!! I was actually thinking the same thing seeing how limited we were in this draft as a result of recklessly ridding ourselves of picks in the most important rounds. Take a look at our draft picks as opposed to our division opponents:

Dallas had picks in: 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/-2 in the 6th-2 in the 7th
NYG had picks in: 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th/-2-in the 7th
Philly had picks in: 1st/2nd/3rd/5th/6th/7th
Wash. had picks in: 1st/5th/-2 in the 6th/7th

It would be great if next year our draft line looks like line one.

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If landry pans out this draft is salvageable, but the point was that we f-ed up by trading away our day 1 picks and there is no getting by that. there was a lotta talent out there this year that we didn't capitalize on. The draft could have been a success if we could have wheeled and dealed our way back into the 2nd or 3rd round. Hopefully though, we have what we need without the draft, maybe a signing of a DL or two after june 1st

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[quote=Rajmahal33;304561]If landry pans out this draft is salvageable, but the point was that we f-ed up by trading away our day 1 picks and there is no getting by that. there was a lotta talent out there this year that we didn't capitalize on. The draft could have been a success if we could have wheeled and dealed our way back into the 2nd or 3rd round. Hopefully though, we have what we need without the draft, maybe a signing of a DL or two after june 1st[/quote]It's likely we wouldn't have drafted who you thought we would have with other first day picks. There are two strategies. Draft the best player available (likely will make the team, play, and have trade value). Draft for pressing need and 'put all of your eggs into one basket'.