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Bottom line, people are sharply, I mean sharply divided on this. Whether you turn to ESPN, Comcast, CBS, or Warpath there are contrasting views and opinions on this one. Personally, I find it quite interesting and it will no doubt be a topic of heated debate for the balance of the season.

Two interesting scenerios that will make this very juicy: An AFC Championship showdown between the Pats and the Chargers because of what happened last year. Or The Pats receiving the Lombardi trophy from Goodell. Either will get tons of press coverage if it happens.

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[quote=skinsfan69;371470]Honestly we should just cut him to send a message. We simply don't need guys like that.[/quote]

LOL send what message?

That you want to cut valuable depth over a comment to the media?

Really smart.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;371483]i wasnt mad at the Pats for running up the score, our hard-hittin skins D should have sent coach B a message by sending a few starters to the bench on a stretcher . . .

one commentator last night did say something i hadnt thought of . . . the fake spike when the pats were already cruising (then randy pushing off) was alil cheap. I understand doing that when your trying to tie or take the lead late in a game but when your cruising to victory and show a spike the other teams D players assume your going to spike it to kick a field goal so they (as a professional courtesy) just mush together with the O line and dont try and penetrate or get to the QB[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree with you here. If they had done that in the 4th quarter I would say it was BS; but they did it at the end of the 1st half, with the game at 17-0, so I'm fine with them trying to get another TD before the break.

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[quote=Beemnseven;371479]Check your math, Cowchip fan. 52 - 49 = 3.[/quote]
Why the insult? Why don't you check your math... it was 45-0 if they kicked a FG it would've made it 48-0.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371463]The people who think it's wrong to "run up the score" are sounding like 8-year olds.[/QUOTE]

Solely because I am a mod, I am going to resist speaking my true feelings about people who say things like this. But I will say that you can act with class and you can act without class and some people can't see the difference between the two.

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your right art monk, it was only 17-0, my bad . . . well i stand by my moss pushing off statement (even though all the great wrs do it)!!!!

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;371474]So, just because you think teams (and people) are humiliated every day that makes it right? Please. Just because things happen doesn't mean they should. It's called is/ought confusion, and you are definitely confused.

I'm not complaining about the opposing team scoring points. I'm complaining about BB not showing humility. It's a thing that humans (should) do -- regardless of your job, or how much you get paid. Don't twist words to suit your argument. Scoring points isn't the problem.

Yes, they are grown men. That is why they should behave in a more considerate and respectable manner. They could have stopped with 38 points, but they decided to add another 14. And, that's not a problem. It's just that they kept their starters in. That shows they were INTENTIONALLY trying to run up the score. Eight year olds are still learning how to behave in a considerate and respectable manner. Grown men should already know how to do that.

It is baffling that you think people asking for others to be considerate are acting like eight year olds, but people who couldn't care less about their fellow man are being "grown men". I am so disappointed in you.[/QUOTE]

It's not Belichick's job to show humility. Suppose he does nothing but call running plays and puts the scrubs in? If the third-string halfback breaks a run, should carry the torch of humility and kneel down before crossing into the endzone?

Don't forget, Belichick did exactly what you asked by pulling Brady and putting in Cassel. Admittedly, it apparently didn't happen at the point in the game which would have met your approval -- what's that point by the way? Is it 5 minutes to go? 10 minutes? And by what margin of score? What's that magical point when one passes from the "humility zone" and into mean-spiritedness? On that touchdown run, should Cassel have carried out Belichick's "humility" and run out of bounds?

Being humiliated is nobody's fault but the person who feels that way. No professional football player has a responsibility to refrain from doing his job to ensure his opponent isn't humiliated.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;371492]your right art monk, it was only 17-0, my bad . . . well i stand by my moss pushing off statement (even though all the great wrs do it)!!!![/QUOTE]
I'm just mad that we actually fell for that. I'm not as mad as I am at the fact that our defense seemed to be the only one's watching the game who didn't realize that Vrabel was going to slip out into the endzone, but mad nonetheless.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370358]I find it hard to have any respect for a coach who runs up a score. There's no need to show up your opponent. It's a total lack of class and humility, and those that support such a thing are also lacking in class and humility.[/quote]
Running up the score...lmao I dont think they would have run the score up if the skins could have stopped them, lets see if campbell held on to the ball, if we could cover the pats running backs...so on and so forth. quit crying about the score being run up. This site is all good when the skins do good and when they lose you people criticize the opponent. I just dont get it. I read some of these post and just laugh at them. pointr blank the redskins have alot of work to do to get to where they want/need to be and thats the bottom line. So whats it going to be this weekend when they play the jets? lmao

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;371478]Well, I heard Steve Young and Tom Jackson say it was wrong. So when you have players who played the game at the highest level saying they had a problem with what NE did then you have to wonder.

I would have had no problem with them kicking the field goal just like I had no problem with their backup trying to score because that is vastly different than having your starters throwing deep when you're already up by 7 scores.[/quote]

Your right. I saw Tom J. and Steve Y on ESPN saying "it was wrong" and "you don't need to do that." So there are two sides.

I just think we need to adopt a different mentality around here. I mean our coaching staff makes more $ than anyone yet I feel we are one of the more poorly coached team in the NFL.

Would you ever see us do a fake spike and then try to score? No. Would you ever see us try a trick play on special teams? Fake FG, or punt? No. Would you eve see us come out in a hurry up offense? No. Would you ever see us try and get the backs more involved in the passing game besides throwing screens? No. Do we ever put the Qb in shotgun on 1st down, just to give the defense something else to think about? No.

I could go on and on. My point is that should have been the attitude we should have had going up to NE. Hit em with everything and empty the playbook. Instead we go out with no game plan and no adjustments at all.

It's time for Gibbs to go. I've seen enough in 3 1/2 years.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371493]Being humiliated is nobody's fault but the person who feels that way. No professional football player has a [B]responsibility [/B]to refrain from doing his job to ensure his opponent isn't humiliated.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone has said they have such a [B]responsibility[/B]. I have a responsibility to not kill, maim, kidnap, rape, or assault anybody. I do NOT have a responsibility to act like an a**hole. Although I do not not have a responsibility to refrain from acting like an a**hole, I still don't. Some people just don't have that filter (i.e., class).

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. To me, that SHOUTS stupidity and a lack of class.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371491]Solely because I am a mod, I am going to resist speaking my true feelings about people who say things like this. But I will say that you can act with class and you can act without class and some people can't see the difference between the two.[/quote]

The funny thing is I'm sure there are plenty of 8-year olds out there that understand what sportsmanship is all better than some of the folks around here.

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While I understand the sensitive nature of this subject after such a humiliating and humbling blow out, but we should never expect other teams and people to behave as we do. The Patriots are NOT show boats, big mouths, arrogant ass holes, or bully's that constantly start fights on the field. In fact they are the opposite. While they did run up the score....who cares. Tell me where in the world is there a etiquette rule about not running up the score? This is football not etiquette school.
In fact I am tired of hearing about the Pats disrespecting us. They did not. They kicked our asses fair and square and we do not have the talent to do anything about it.
We need a real GM.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em;371495]Running up the score...lmao I dont think they would have run the score up if the skins could have stopped them, lets see if campbell held on to the ball, if we could cover the pats running backs...so on and so forth. quit crying about the score being run up. This site is all good when the skins do good and when they lose you people criticize the opponent. I just dont get it. I read some of these post and just laugh at them. pointr blank the redskins have alot of work to do to get to where they want/need to be and thats the bottom line. So whats it going to be this weekend when they play the jets? lmao[/QUOTE]

I love your grammar, punctuation, and frequent use of "lmao." What are you twelve? People who keep saying "quit crying," or "you're acting like babies," simply show that (a) they cannot put together an argument so they resort to stupid cliches and (b) that they have no idea what class means.

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I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

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[quote=Mattyk72;371486]LOL send what message?

That you want to cut valuable depth over a comment to the media?

Really smart.[/quote]

Khary Cambell has been here for several years and he knows the defense. Godfrey was sitting at home doing nothing before the Skins called. He isn't that valuable.

I don't want a guy who cries to the other coach cause you just got the living shit beat out of you. He cried to BB and then he cried to the media. He looks like a soft little bitch. Total 100% pussy. Yes I would cut him.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371493]It's not Belichick's job to show humility. Suppose he does nothing but call running plays and puts the scrubs in? If the third-string halfback breaks a run, should carry the torch of humility and kneel down before crossing into the endzone?[/quote]

Sure, it's nobody's JOB to show humility. Nobody get's paid to do that, and it's not a law. So, nobody has to show humility ever. I get that. I just think humans SHOULD be more considerate. You obviously don't. Do you ever hold the door open for somebody? Do you ever let another car into your lane? Probably not, since you obviously don't value human compassion.

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371493]Don't forget, Belichick did exactly what you asked by pulling Brady and putting in Cassel. Admittedly, it apparently didn't happen at the point in the game which would have met your approval -- what's that point by the way? Is it 5 minutes to go? 10 minutes? And by what margin of score? What's that magical point when one passes from the "humility zone" and into mean-spiritedness? On that touchdown run, should Cassel have carried out Belichick's "humility" and run out of bounds?[/quote]

Oh, I see. Since you can't argue why it is okay to humiliate people, you will just come at me with a bunch of crap. Obviously there is no way to quantify embarrassment, so you just ask a question that can't be answered. Good argument. It's one of those gray areas. It's subjective. Don't ask me to objectify it, because it can't be done. It's just one of those things you have to use your judgment on. I can't say where the line is, but that doesn't mean that I don't know when it's been crossed.

So he put in Cassell with 5 minutes left. Do you think that is evidence of BB's humility?

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371493]Being humiliated is nobody's fault but the person who feels that way. No professional football player has a responsibility to refrain from doing his job to ensure his opponent isn't humiliated.[/QUOTE]

So, if you say something that offends another person it's their fault for getting offended? You played no role in hurting their feelings? I would guess that you don't care about anyone.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371504]I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?[/QUOTE]

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;371508]This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?[/QUOTE]

That wasn't the point. No one is saying what they cannot do or have a responsibility to do, it is what they should and should not do. BTW, I still didn't hear anyone take issue with my argument (the one you quoted).

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;371497]Your right. I saw Tom J. and Steve Y on ESPN saying "it was wrong" and "you don't need to do that." So there are two sides.

[B]I just think we need to adopt a different mentality around here. I mean our coaching staff makes more $ than anyone yet I feel we are one of the more poorly coached team in the NFL.[/B]

Would you ever see us do a fake spike and then try to score? No. Would you ever see us try a trick play on special teams? Fake FG, or punt? No. Would you eve see us come out in a hurry up offense? No. Would you ever see us try and get the backs more involved in the passing game besides throwing screens? No. Do we ever put the Qb in shotgun on 1st down, just to give the defense something else to think about? No.

I could go on and on. My point is that should have been the attitude we should have had going up to NE. Hit em with everything and empty the playbook. Instead we go out with no game plan and no adjustments at all.

It's time for Gibbs to go. I've seen enough in 3 1/2 years.[/QUOTE]We finally agree on something!!!! :)

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;371508]This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?[/QUOTE]

Right. So let's just throw out all good sense, compassion, respect, and class; all because it's "a sport". I don't know about you, but no matter what I'm doing -- whether it be my job, or a sport -- I will always adhere to my principles. It seems you (and a lot of others) are arguing that it's acceptable to disregard your conscience simply because you are getting paid to win. So sad. That's the purest form of being a "sell-out".

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[quote=12thMan;371484]Bottom line, people are sharply, I mean sharply divided on this. Whether you turn to ESPN, Comcast, CBS, or Warpath there are contrasting views and opinions on this one. Personally, I find it quite interesting and it will no doubt be a topic of heated debate for the balance of the season.

Two interesting scenerios that will make this very juicy: An AFC Championship showdown between the Pats and the Chargers because of what happened last year. Or The Pats receiving the Lombardi trophy from Goodell. Either will get tons of press coverage if it happens.[/quote]

I like LT. But when he got up and started crying like a baby cause NE was making fun of Shawn M. dance he looked like a total fool. Shawn Merriman is an animal and I wish we drafted him instead of Carlos. But why do you have to do that dance? You are only setting yourself up to get it back in your face and you know the opposing team is not going to like it one bit. Just go celebrate with your team. You don't see QB's doing dances when they throw a TD pass do you?

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So I guess next time Tiger Woods has a ten stroke lead going into the final holes he should just chip and putt his way in so he does not humiliate the rest of the field. No, he wants to keep firing to show he is the best player and by how much he is the best player in the field.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371510]That wasn't the point. No one is saying what they cannot do or have a responsibility to do, it is what they should and should not do. BTW, I still didn't hear anyone take issue with my argument (the one you quoted).[/QUOTE]

He does not need a "purpose". He can do what ever he wants to do with in the rules. What problem do have with that?

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[QUOTE=firstdown;371514]So I guess next time Tiger Woods has a ten stroke lead going into the final holes he should just chip and putt his way in so he does not humiliate the rest of the field. No, he wants to keep firing to show he is the best player and by how much he is the best player in the field.[/QUOTE]

I can't remember where I read this, but it might have been here.

Somebody said that what the Patriots did was akin to defeating a boxer, and then kicking him in the head when he's down on the mat. Why not do that? Because there are times when a REAL MAN stops caring about his own ego, to spare the embarrassment of others.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;371514]So I guess next time Tiger Woods has a ten stroke lead going into the final holes he should just chip and putt his way in so he does not humiliate the rest of the field. No, he wants to keep firing to show he is the best player and by how much he is the best player in the field.[/QUOTE]
That's a terrible argument. No one is going to try to drive a ball into his skull if he embarrasses them on a golf course, whereas belichick is lucky as shit the Skins didn't take any cheap shots on brady (a team like the ravens might in a few weeks).
Once again, there was no justification for keeping brady on the field in the 4th quarter, much less going for it on 4th down.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371504]I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?[/QUOTE]

Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that [I]Bill Belichick [/I]ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do.

What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?

A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.

A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371502]I love your grammar, punctuation, and frequent use of "lmao." What are you twelve? People who keep saying "quit crying," or "you're acting like babies," simply show that (a) they cannot put together an argument so they resort to stupid cliches and (b) that they have no idea what class means.[/quote]


Perhaps your idea of class is different than others. I mean does everyone have to have the same idea of what good sportsmanship is or what constitutes class? If not, then maybe all these posts should be edited by the big mod in the sky so that only opinions that you think are worthy are the ones that are posted.

The Redskins had four turnovers. Are the Patriots supposed to just stop trying to score? Whose to say the Redskins don't get the next four turnovers considering they came into the game with the 5th ranked defense, and had been forcing turnovers in previous games.

Really, this whole talk about running up the score is ridiculuous. In at least one or two games this year a team has scored 30+ points in the fourth quarter to come back and win. If anything I respect them more for not letting up...not allowing themselves to be put into a position to where a team has a chance to come back and win.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;371517]I can't remember where I read this, but it might have been here.

Somebody said that what the Patriots did was akin to defeating a boxer, and then kicking him in the head when he's down on the mat. Why not do that? Because there are times when a REAL MAN stops caring about his own ego, to spare the embarrassment of others.[/quote]
Well it is also against the rules.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;371507]Sure, it's nobody's JOB to show humility. Nobody get's paid to do that, and it's not a law. So, nobody has to show humility ever. I get that. I just think humans SHOULD be more considerate. You obviously don't. Do you ever hold the door open for somebody? Do you ever let another car into your lane? Probably not, since you obviously don't value human compassion.



Oh, I see. Since you can't argue why it is okay to humiliate people, you will just come at me with a bunch of crap. Obviously there is no way to quantify embarrassment, so you just ask a question that can't be answered. Good argument. It's one of those gray areas. It's subjective. Don't ask me to objectify it, because it can't be done. It's just one of those things you have to use your judgment on. I can't say where the line is, but that doesn't mean that I don't know when it's been crossed.

So he put in Cassell with 5 minutes left. Do you think that is evidence of BB's humility?



So, if you say something that offends another person it's their fault for getting offended? You played no role in hurting their feelings? I would guess that you don't care about anyone.[/quote]

Ghetto, I think you're taking Beemen's comments out of context if you are somehow suggesting that he has no concept of human compassion based on this particular argument. Two men slammming into each, pointing fingers, and talking smack for 60 minutes doesn't seem compassionate to me anyway.

I'm of the opinion, that compassion and some of these other human virtues are either overshadowed or a non-issue in the realm of competative sports. They must recede to the backgroud to some extent in order to fully compete. I'm not saying that you don't understand this, it's just that discussion crosses some gray territory that's all, and the tendacy is to lump it all together.

Does Belichick lack humility and compassion? Not one of us here can answer that with 100% certainty because we don't know what he's like when he steps away from the arena of competition. Does he lack sportsmanship? Now that's a horse of a different color. And I think we're confusing sportsmanship with other human virtues. Sportsmanship, and correct me if I'm wrong, says that as long as I'm abiding by the rules, then everything is good.

He lacked sportsmanship and judgement when he was caught cheating with the cameras - unfair advantage. Running up the score? Hmmm...don't know, because there was no unfair advantage.

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[quote=12thMan;371523]Ghetto, I think you're taking Beemen's comments out of context if you are somehow suggesting that he has no concept of human compassion based on this particular argument. Two men slammming into each, pointing fingers, and talking smack for 60 minutes doesn't seem compassionate to me anyway.

I'm of the opinion, that compassion and some of these other human virtues are either overshadowed or a non-issue in the realm of competative sports. They must recede to the backgroud to some extent in order to fully compete. I'm not saying that you don't understand this, it's just that discussion crosses some gray territory that's all, and the tendacy is to lump it all together.

Does Belichick lack humility and compassion? Not one of us here can answer that with 100% certainty because we don't know what he's like when he steps away from the arena of competition. Does he lack sportsmanship? Now that's a horse of a different color. And I think we're confusing sportsmanship with other human virtues. Sportsmanship, and correct me if I'm wrong, says that as long as I'm abiding by the rules, then everything is good.

He lacked sportsmanship and judgement when he was caught cheating with the cameras - unfair advantage. Running up the score? [B]Hmmm...don't know, because their was no unfair advantage.[/B][/quote]

Other than they were clearly the superior team.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;371517]I can't remember where I read this, but it might have been here.

Somebody said that what the Patriots did was akin to defeating a boxer, and then kicking him in the head when he's down on the mat. Why not do that? Because there are times when a REAL MAN stops caring about his own ego, to spare the embarrassment of others.[/QUOTE]


No, that analogy doesn't fit. Once the boxer is on the floor out cold from a punch, the boxing match is over. In football, the game isn't over until the final gun sounds and the clock reads 0:00.

The Patriots did not physically attack or try to maim any Redskin players on the field. Scoring touchdowns is perfectly within the rules of the game regardless of the time on the clock.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;371522]Well it is also against the rules.[/QUOTE]

True. It's just an example (and a poor one at that).

What do you have to say about sacrificing your own ego to spare the embarrassment of others? Is it okay to embarrass others to boost your own ego?

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;371527]True. It's just an example (and a poor one at that).

What do you have to say about sacrificing your own ego to spare the embarrassment of others? Is it okay to embarrass others to boost your own ego?[/QUOTE]

You call it "sacrificing your own ego". I say it's players doing their job.

Why aren't you as upset with the Redskin defensive players who so clearly didn't do theirs?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;371523]Ghetto, I think you're taking Beemen's comments out of context if you are somehow suggesting that he has no concept of human compassion based on this particular argument. Two men slammming into each, pointing fingers, and talking smack for 60 minutes doesn't seem compassionate to me anyway.

I'm of the opinion, that compassion and some of these other human virtues are either overshadowed or a non-issue in the realm of competative sports. They must recede to the backgroud to some extent in order to fully compete. I'm not saying that you don't understand this, it's just that discussion crosses some gray territory that's all, and the tendacy is to lump it all together.

Does Belichick lack humility and compassion? Not one of us here can answer that with 100% certainty because we don't know what he's like when he steps away from the arena of competition. Does he lack sportsmanship? Now that's a horse of a different color. And I think we're confusing sportsmanship with other human virtues. Sportsmanship, and correct me if I'm wrong, says that as long as I'm abiding by the rules, then everything is good.

He lacked sportsmanship and judgement when he was caught cheating with the cameras - unfair advantage. Running up the score? Hmmm...don't know, because their was no unfair advantage.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying. I just don't think there is EVER a good reason to throw your principles out the window. Regardless of what you are trying to accomplish. Then again, I hate Machiavellian reasoning.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371519]Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that [I]Bill Belichick [/I]ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do..[/QUOTE]

Yeah, because it wasn't obvious by midway through the 3rd quarter that we were going to lose. Did you really think we had any chance in hell to win the game after midway through the 3rd quarter? If so, pass the joint because I've been looking for some good s--t.

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371519]What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?[/QUOTE]

See my above response.

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371519]A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.

A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game.[/QUOTE]

Unless you disagree with my points above, then Belichick [U]needlessly[/U] exposed his players to injury. He did it for some other reason than to win.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371529]You call it "sacrificing your own ego". I say it's players doing their job.

Why aren't you as upset with the Redskin defensive players who so clearly didn't do theirs?[/QUOTE]

I say if your job requires you to embarrass others, then you:

1.) Don't care about other people's feelings.

OR

2.) Care about their feelings, but are willing to overlook that so that you can earn money.

Either way, it's wrong.

Also, I am upset with the Redskins. What gave you the impression that I wasn't? Just because I am upset with BB and the Pats doesn't mean I'm not upset with the Redskins. Don't distract from the real issue: humility.

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[quote=Beemnseven;371526]No, that analogy doesn't fit. Once the boxer is on the floor out cold from a punch, the boxing match is over. In football, the game isn't over until the final gun sounds and the clock reads 0:00.

The Patriots did not physically attack or try to maim any Redskin players on the field. Scoring touchdowns is perfectly within the rules of the game regardless of the time on the clock.[/quote][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana]exactly what I said check [/FONT][URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/371235-post326.html"][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#800080]my post[/COLOR][/FONT][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR], and for you Beemnseven, check my [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/371489-post364.html"]other post[/URL].

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;371519]Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that [I]Bill Belichick [/I]ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do.[/QUOTE] I really don't think anyone is saying that Matt Cassel scoring is running up the score. However, keeping Tom Brady, the clear cut league MVP to date, in late in the 4th quarter of a (at that point) 38-0 game and having him go for it on 4th down when they could have easily just kicked a field goal is running up the score.
Sure, the backup should try to score so they can prove what they're capable of, but Brady doesn't need to prove shit.

[QUOTE]What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?[/QUOTE] You're right, a comeback is a concern. But, prior to them going for it on 4th we had fumbled the ball in three straight possessions. Also, they were averaging something like 7 yards a carry and there were only like 8 minutes left in the game so they could have easily run the clock out.
Also, if we did show some signs of life they could have just put brady back in like they did in Miami.

[QUOTE]A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.[/QUOTE] Was it worth the injury risk to have Brady in there with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter?

[QUOTE]A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game. [/QUOTE] Like we've been saying, it's one of those unwritten rules that we really should have enforced late in he game with a huge blind side hit to brady after he threw that his meaningless last touchdown. Too bad we didn't.

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Yes the Pats ran it up, so what. There either that damn good or we suck that bad. Crying about running up the score is for loosers, if you don't want them to run it up so do something about it. STOP THEM.

The last touch down was scored by there backup quarterback rushing in against the #3 defense... Stop Crying and DO SOMETHING ABOUT it....