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[quote=dblanch66;580214]and:
[I]And I would suggest someone who paints with as "wide a brush" in calling people dumbasses should look in the mirror to find the dumbass.[/I]

I never called anyone a dumbass.[/quote]Not to re-ignite this whole thing, but to clarify, I know you didn't call anyone a dumbass. The response you quoted from me was to Miller101.

And I don't think the "poopy head" one was your most controversial post, making lewd suggestions involving the Bible trumped that one.

Water under the bridge though, no worries.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;580225]Not to re-ignite this whole thing, but to clarify, I know you didn't call anyone a dumbass. The response you quoted from me was to Miller101.

And I don't think the "poopy head" one was your most controversial post, making lewd suggestions involving the Bible trumped that one.

Water under the bridge though, no worries.[/quote]

When backed into a corner, I go for the most zinging thing I can. Not one of my finest moments. I got nuttin' but love for you, Slingin'. Politics is a testy business and usually one that leads to flare ups.

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[quote=dblanch66;580239]When backed into a corner, I go for the most zinging thing I can. Not one of my finest moments. [B]I got nuttin' but love for you[/B], Slingin'. Politics is a testy business and usually one that leads to flare ups.[/quote]Ditto :food-smil

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Geez, my post my have had something to do with the firestorm too. Dang you Republicans sure are touchy!

Just one thing to clarify. I didn't say all Republicans are dumbasses. I just said that Obama and his administration screwed up BY NOT USING LITTLE WORDS TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS. Obama shouldn't have used the big words of "Public Option". He should have used something alot smaller and alot more simpler. Something Like "Medicare for all" or "GrandMa's Plan" or "Unemployed Care". Just anything but "Public Option". Then Republicans would have understood it and liked it! And it would have passed a while ago!

I say that, because the only things Republicans hate about the bill are things that aren't even in the bill. "Death Panels", "Abortions", and "Illegal Immigrant Care". They scream those things out at these town halls everyday. And now Republicans are all stuck on this and they won't drop it. Even when there told time and time again that its not in the bill. They just won't drop it. And I put that on Obama. I don't blame Republicans. I understand they're people too. And they just need a guy that went to Harvard Law School to better understand them and Keep It Simple. Thats all I was trying to say. I wasn't exactly calling Republicans dumbasses. I probably shouldn't have used that word and I am sorry for the problems that it caused here.

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[quote=Miller101;580249]Geez, my post my have had something to do with the firestorm too. Dang you Republicans sure are touchy!

Just one thing to clarify. I didn't say all Republicans are dumbasses. I just said that Obama and his administration screwed up BY NOT USING LITTLE WORDS TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS. Obama shouldn't have used the big words of "Public Option". He should have used something alot smaller and alot more simpler. Something Like "Medicare for all" or "GrandMa's Plan" or "Unemployed Care". Just anything but "Public Option". Then Republicans would have understood it and liked it! And it would have passed a while ago!

I say that, because the only things Republicans hate about the bill are things that aren't even in the bill. "Death Panels", "Abortions", and "Illegal Immigrant Care". They scream those things out at these town halls everyday. And now Republicans are all stuck on this and they won't drop it. Even when there told time and time again that its not in the bill. They just won't drop it. And I put that on Obama. I don't blame Republicans. I understand they're people too. And they just need a guy that went to Harvard Law School to better understand them and Keep It Simple. Thats all I was trying to say. I wasn't exactly calling Republicans dumbasses. I probably shouldn't have used that word and I am sorry for the problems that it caused here.[/quote]
So your sure abortion won't be covered by Obama:
[URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/"]Abortion: Which Side Is Fabricating? | FactCheck.org[/URL]

I guess we can all keep our current insurance also:
[URL="http://factcheck.org/2009/08/keep-your-insurance-not-everyone/"]Keep Your Insurance? Not Everyone. | FactCheck.org[/URL]

Obama also said his plan will be paid for but we all know thats not true he also just missed his 10 estimate of the deffect by over two trillion dollars. I'll say that again HE MISSED THE PROJECTED DEFECET BY [SIZE=4]2,000,000,000,000[/SIZE] but we are suppose to believe he has this all under controll and it will run cheap and smooth for years to come just like the cash for clunkers. Ops, that has been a mess also and that only dealing with junk cars but I should allow him to take over my health care with no worries. What a dumb rep. that I would even worry about that.

Maybe its the blind sheep on the other side that cannot see all the programs that the goverment has screwed up time after time but you smart people think they can get this right. Hmmm, if you allow someone to screw up thing after thing costing you money its smart to give them more money to screw up something else. OK, if that sounds smart I'm glade I'm dumb.

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Can't wait for some football! Politics is my idle folly.

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You didn't vote for Obama and your candidate didn't win. Now I understand the frustration when your agenda is in the process of being erased at break neck speed but please stop crying about teh deficit. After the imigration bill the hispanic majority population will be the ones who pay off the National Debt. Go play golf and pretend like you are actually doing something positive for America.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;580436]You didn't vote for Obama and your candidate didn't win. Now I understand the frustration when your agenda is in the process of being erased at break neck speed but please stop crying about teh deficit. After the imigration bill the hispanic majority population will be the ones who pay off the National Debt. Go play golf and pretend like you are actually doing something positive for America.[/quote]

I guess you said the same thing for 8 years to all the people who bitched and protested Bush even before he took office. Funny thing was Bush always said those people had the right to protest and Obama and the left now say the right should just shut up. Last time I looked I have the right to say as I feel and thats my freedom which seems now like the left would like to take that away now that they are in office. I'll be glade to shut up when the policies pushed by Obama do not affect my life and my income. By the way last time I check the hispanic comunity coming here has no money so how will they pay the 9 trillion of dept. With our money that we have run out of?

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so first, i guess you were against the patriot act? since you are worried about your freedoms? i get the feeling you might be one of those not in my back yard types

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[quote=firstdown;580464]By the way last time I check the hispanic comunity coming here has no money so how will they pay the 9 trillion of dept. With our money that we have run out of?[/quote]

Which immigrant group that ever came to America had money when they got here. Most immigrant groups excluding Anglos and the descendants of African slaves got here after the country had already been built into an shining sucess. So any immigrant after the industrial revolution is spending our money (those of us who are descendants of the Americans who built this country).

footnote:
[B]Most of these zenophobic types haven't been here a hundred years yet. A Russian immigrant who can barely speak English is the leader of the birthers. How ironic.[/B]

ps. My grandfather fought in WW2. I am authentic Amercian as you can get.

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1796
Public Land Act of 1796 authorized Federal land sales to the public in minimum 640-acre plots at $2 per acre of credit.

[B]SOCIALISM[/B]

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I'll take 640 acres for $1,280 please. Thank you. :)

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[quote=firstdown;580464]I guess you said the same thing for 8 years to all the people who bitched and protested Bush even before he took office. Funny thing was Bush always said those people had the right to protest and [B]Obama and the left now say the right should just shut up[/B]. Last time I looked I have the right to say as I feel and thats my freedom which seems now like the left would like to take that away now that they are in office. I'll be glade to shut up when the policies pushed by Obama do not affect my life and my income. By the way last time I check the hispanic comunity coming here has no money so how will they pay the 9 trillion of dept. With our money that we have run out of?[/quote]

Exactly my point firstdown!!!!! EXACTLY! Remember back when Obama did his budget, the Republicans said 'no'. Obama said what do you mean 'no', no what? Republicans said 'no'. Obama, a little bit frustrated, said.......okay do you have any ideas?. Republicans, 'NO'. Obama then says, "just shut up". You see, thats my whole point. Obama is trying to communicate with them, but is using words that are just a little bit to big. He needs to simplify it. "Shut up" is a simple word. Thats what Republicans get and thats what they remember. Obama needs to find those little words and use them! Then he has bipartisanship. Thats going to be a challenge. I don't know if he can do it myself, but we'll see.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;580498]1796
Public Land Act of 1796 authorized Federal land sales to the public in minimum 640-acre plots at $2 per acre of credit.

[B]SOCIALISM[/B][/quote]

LOOOOOOL....good one. These people decrying socailisim have implicitly and explicitly benefited. Forthermore if you ask most of these loons what's the difference between socialism and communism they wouldn't be able to tell you.

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[B]RECIPE for SOCILAISM i.e Bush\Cheney aka credit default swaps[/B]

If Obama was a [B]SOCIALIST[/B] then GWB gave him the perfect opportunity to hatch his evile plan bwahahahaha. The best plan for socialism would have been to.

A. Not use TARP wait to borrow the money later.
B. Allow the economy panick to continue citing the deficit. Until the economey collapses (Great Depression 2).
C. Instant socialism, every one in line for your bread and soup handed out by the government.
D. Eveyone recieve your unemployment check, and since there are no jobs in sight sign up for jobs by the government, instant BIG HUGE HUMONGOUS government.
E. Join the new national security detail to help control the civil unrest caused by the economic collapse
F. All gun ownership by private citizens illegal too much civil unrest threat to national security.
G. Everyone qualifies for Medicare since there are not enough jobs for private insurance to exist and make a profit at teh same time.
H. Hand out 40 year sentences (like Jake Delhomme handing out interceptons in the NFC divisonal playoffs versus the Cardinals) to all caught involved in the myriad ponzi schemes that collpased the economy. (also a perfect time to prosecute enemies who needs an email list)

The American public was bamboozled. If what the Republicans want was truly good for America then under the Republican would have kept the majority after 911, and we would be living in a free market utopia by now. To borrow money we don't have is one thing. To imagine money exists that does not really exists is another all together. This imagining money exists that does not really exist is called Irrational Exuberance by Greenspan. Those days are over, so no more 25 year-old girlfreinds for you baby boomers. We need to save the country and we have to borrow real money from people who really go it. Thanks W.

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[quote=Miller101;580509]Exactly my point firstdown!!!!! EXACTLY! [SIZE=3]Remember back when Obama did his budget, the Republicans said 'no'. Obama said what do you mean 'no', no what? Republicans said 'no'. Obama, a little bit frustrated, said.......okay do you have any ideas?. Republicans, 'NO'. Obama then says, "just shut up". You see, thats my whole point. Obama is trying to communicate with them, but is using words that are just a little bit to big. [/SIZE]He needs to simplify it. "Shut up" is a simple word. Thats what Republicans get and thats what they remember. Obama needs to find those little words and use them! Then he has bipartisanship. Thats going to be a challenge. I don't know if he can do it myself, but we'll see.[/quote]

This is about as dumb of a post as I have read here in a long time. The example you gave was the stimulas bill and not the budget. I guess you say that the rep. are doing the same thing with health care and providing no insite?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;580538][B]RECIPE for SOCILAISM i.e Bush\Cheney aka credit default swaps[/B]

If Obama was a [B]SOCIALIST[/B] then GWB gave him the perfect opportunity to hatch his evile plan bwahahahaha. The best plan for socialism would have been to.

A. Not use TARP wait to borrow the money later.
B. Allow the economy panick to continue citing the deficit. Until the economey collapses (Great Depression 2).
C. Instant socialism, every one in line for your bread and soup handed out by the government.
D. Eveyone recieve your unemployment check, and since there are no jobs in sight sign up for jobs by the government, instant BIG HUGE HUMONGOUS government.
E. Join the new national security detail to help control the civil unrest caused by the economic collapse
F. All gun ownership by private citizens illegal too much civil unrest threat to national security.
G. Everyone qualifies for Medicare since there are not enough jobs for private insurance to exist and make a profit at teh same time.
H. Hand out 40 year sentences (like Jake Delhomme handing out interceptons in the NFC divisonal playoffs versus the Cardinals) to all caught involved in the myriad ponzi schemes that collpased the economy. (also a perfect time to prosecute enemies who needs an email list)

The American public was bamboozled. If what the Republicans want was truly good for America then under the Republican would have kept the majority after 911, and we would be living in a free market utopia by now. To borrow money we don't have is one thing. To imagine money exists that does not really exists is another all together. This imagining money exists that does not really exist is called Irrational Exuberance by Greenspan. Those days are over, so no more 25 year-old girlfreinds for you baby boomers. We need to save the country and we have to borrow real money from people who really go it. Thanks W.[/quote]

Since when were Republicans not socialist?

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That's what they claim. Socialism = evil = Obama. We are not socialist.

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Trample explain to me how Republicans are socialist, this is a learning opportunity for me.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;580551]That's what they claim. Socialism = evil = Obama. We are not socialist.[/quote]

They can claim anything that they want. Bush was a socialist. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive Republican too. It's nothing new.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;580553]Trample explain to me how Republicans are socialist, this is a learning opportunity for me.[/quote]

Taken from Slinging Sammy

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33
Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind ([B]Government intervention into the affairs of others is socialist. Why is it my responsibility to pay for the education of children, especially if I have none of my own? Once upon a time education was left up to the States.[/B])

- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation ([B]This is actually conservative.[/B])

- minimized federal funding of abortion ([B]Why the Federal government is funding abortions to begin with is beyond me.[/B].)

- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act ([B]There is nothing in the Constitution about reproductive rights. Everything that isn't in the Constituiton is left to the State or to the people themselves. If they want to make a Federal law about abortion than they need to reach down, grab some, and do it. Politicians play both sides of the issue.) [/B]

- Global HIV/AIDS funding ([B]Pure Progressive Socialism. Who gave that SOB the right to take my money for AIDS? Where do they get this right from? It would be one thing to do it in America but in Africa? I've got the cure for AIDS. Don't screw around and don't shoot dope[/B].)

- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance ([B]Why? TJ warned us about alliances. But Progressive Republicans and Democrats don't see it that way. Who gave them the right to wage war on the Serbs[/B]?)

- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments. ([B]I'm not so sure about these judges records since they've been in. I do know that the court has voted that emminent domain can be used for tax purposes. IE Oakland & Texas[/B].)

- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing ( [B]Why they weren't brought up for dereliction of duty I don't know. I would consider it a Conservative move to scrap a few of these agencies and have just three, Military, CIA, and FBI[/B].)

- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending) ([B]Creating more beauracracy to solve the problems of having too much beauracracy is a classic socialist attribute.[/B])

- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests. ([B]Even socialist don't like glowing in the dark. Kuddos to the SOB for keeping me safe after 9/11[/B].)

- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy) ([B]Should have declared war and nuked the MFers of the face of the face of the EARTH. Decided to go the socialist route and nation build[/B].)

- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though. ([B]Classic progressive nation building[/B].)

- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession. ([B]Why Presidents get all the credit or flak for the economy is beyond me? Congress controls the purse strings, and Kenysian economics (socialist) goes up and down no matter who's in Congress or the White House.[/B])

- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates) ([B]Bailout out the big boys at the expense of the little guy, classic Socialism. When Corporations are allowed to do business as long as they behave and do what their told, then it is socialism. When the government becomes a business and the Corporations become part of the government, that is the epitomy of Fascism.[/B])

- Do Not Call Act ([B]From a conservative point of view, this should be left up to you, the phone company, and the jerks calling you at dinner[/B].)

[B]The only difference between a Communist and a Fascist is that a Fascist loves his country. They're both left wing a**hole autocrates. Conservatives mind their own business. If they say they do but really do not, they're probably just Republicans.[/B]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;580567]

[B]The only difference between a Communist and a Fascist is that a Fascist loves his country. They're both left wing a**hole autocrates. Conservatives mind their own business. If they say they do but really do not, they're probably just Republicans.[/B][/quote]

Interesting

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[quote=saden1;580520]LOOOOOOL....good one. These people decrying socailisim have implicitly and explicitly benefited. Forthermore if you ask most of these loons what's the difference between socialism and communism they wouldn't be able to tell you.[/quote]

Neither would most of the "loons" who support it. Intellectual deficiency isn't constrained to some conservatives. There's plenty o' dumb people in the world who have opinions absent sufficient understanding. Hell a lot of them we've elected to office.

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[quote=saden1;580520]LOOOOOOL....good one. These people decrying socailisim have implicitly and explicitly benefited. Forthermore if you ask most of these loons what's the difference between socialism and communism they wouldn't be able to tell you.[/quote]

From Wikapedia

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably, and posited that it would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution

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fascists are right wing a holes.

russians were communist (well, almost).

nazis were fascist.

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[quote=That Guy;580613]fascists are right wing a holes.

russians were communist (well, almost).

nazis were fascist.[/quote]

What makes Fascism to the right of Communism is Nationalism. That doesn't make them right wing. That just makes them to the right of Communist on the socialist / progressive left wing.

I agree they tend to be a**holes. Russians were Communist, but what made the USSR Communist is that it was international and it tried and did export Marxism worldwide. Stalin was born in Georgia.

Don't confuse the NAZIs for Fascist. They were in many ways fascistic but, the Italian and Spanish Fascist didn't have the same racial ideology that defined German National Socialism. Also, remember this. The holocaust didn't come first, the American Eugenics program did. They were both done for the same reason by people who called themselves progressive. This is what makes left wingers a**holes, they'll sterilize or liquidate people for what they believe is best for society.

Your comments about NAZIs and Fascist being right wingers is a common lie that the left has spread around since Stalin. I wouldn't want to take credit for Communism, Nazism, or any other Progressive liquidation program either.

Conservativism, classic liberalism, and American libertarianism are right wing platforms and they have nothing in common with fascism.

If you don't believe me then I challenge you to explain to me why fascism is a right wing platform.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;580602]From Wikapedia

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably, and posited that it would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution[/quote]

Nice try but no dice. Mr. Marx and Engels disliked socialism hence communism which they thought to be superior. It's all there in [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=s2iEeCJAlusC&dq=Communist%20manifesto&as_brr=1&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=false"]The Communist Manifesto[/URL] if you care to find out (very short read).

You can't use something you lambaste (socialism) interchangeably with something you champion (communism).

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[quote=saden1;580637]Nice try but no dice. Mr. Marx and Engels disliked socialism hence communism which they thought to be superior. It's all there in [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=s2iEeCJAlusC&dq=Communist%20manifesto&as_brr=1&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=false"]The Communist Manifesto[/URL] if you care to find out (very short read).

You can't use something you lambaste (socialism) interchangeably with something you champion (communism).[/quote]

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was a constitutionally socialist state that existed in Eurasia from 1922 to 1991

Again, taken from Wikapedia. Take it up with them. It seems interchangable to me. Maybe on paper socialist control less and each country is different, but it's still the left wing.

Do you also subscribe to the belief that Fascism is a right wing ideology? Are you still reading the Communist Manifesto? That is so old hat, like Nietzsche and Kate Chopin.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;580662]The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was a constitutionally socialist state that existed in Eurasia from 1922 to 1991

Again, taken from Wikapedia. Take it up with them. It seems interchangable to me. Maybe on paper socialist control less and each country is different, but it's still the left wing.

Do you also subscribe to the belief that Fascism is a right wing ideology? Are you still reading the Communist Manifesto? That is so old hat, like Nietzsche and Kate Chopin.[/quote]

You're all over the place, do try to watch your drool and stick to what you know.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;580567]Thankfully you are the only true beacon of conservatism in a stormy sea of liberals, communists, socialists and whatever you've labeled me as, which I assume is a socialist Republican.

As a friend of mine said in one of these threads, "Don't label me."

First shall we define Socialism:
[B]Socialism[/B] refers to various theories of economic organization advocating state, worker or public ownership and administration of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production"][COLOR=#0000ff]means of production[/COLOR][/URL] and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resources"][COLOR=#0000ff]resources[/COLOR][/URL] for all individuals with an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism"][COLOR=#0000ff]egalitarian[/COLOR][/URL] method of compensation.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-SocialismAVeryShortIntroduction-0"][COLOR=#0000ff][1][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-1"][COLOR=#0000ff][2][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-2"][COLOR=#0000ff][3][/COLOR][/URL] Contrary to popular belief, Socialism is not a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_system"][COLOR=#0000ff]political system[/COLOR][/URL]; it is an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_system"][COLOR=#0000ff]economic system[/COLOR][/URL] distinct from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism"][COLOR=#0000ff]capitalism[/COLOR][/URL].
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_(economics)"][COLOR=#0000ff]capital[/COLOR][/URL] and derives its wealth through [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation"][COLOR=#0000ff]exploitation[/COLOR][/URL], creates an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equality"][COLOR=#0000ff]unequal[/COLOR][/URL] society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximize their potentialities and does not utilize technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society that allows for the widespread application of modern technology to rationalize economic activity by eliminating the anarchy in production of capitalism[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-3"][COLOR=#0000ff][4][/COLOR][/URL], allowing for wealth and power to be distributed based on the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution"][COLOR=#0000ff]amount of work expended in production[/COLOR][/URL], although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how and to what extent this could be achieved.

[quote]Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33
Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind ([B]Government intervention into the affairs of others is socialist. Why is it my responsibility to pay for the education of children, especially if I have none of my own? Once upon a time education was left up to the States.[/B])[/quote]Education is still left up to the states. You may want to check this out
[URL="http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html"]Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding[/URL]

Federal funding in 2006 was $ 37.6B for K-12 education. Only about 8.3 % of overall funding. The vast majority of K-12 education is done with state/local funding. I would also argue that a better educated populace make the U.S. more competitive globally, increasing GDP, which you would benefit from.

I stated the CONCEPT of No Child Left Behind is a good one. What's wrong with increasing student/school performance and holding schools accountable? The execution and implementation hasn't been the best, but again the execution is left to each state. If a state doesn't want funds they don't have to participate. If you've got a problem with this "socialist" program on principle, take it up with the state legislature in VA and tell them to refuse the funds. Let's put $37B in perspective, about $412B is being spent on interest on the national debt alone.

[quote]- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation ([B]This is actually conservative.[/B])[/quote]Wow I actually got one right.

[quote]- minimized federal funding of abortion ([B]Why the Federal government is funding abortions to begin with is beyond me.[/B].)[/quote] If you've read any of my posts on the subject, I thought I've been pretty clear that I don't support any government funding of abortion. I'm not naive enough to believe there isn't funding of abortion going on though.

[quote]- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act ([B]There is nothing in the Constitution about reproductive rights. Everything that isn't in the Constituiton is left to the State or to the people themselves. If they want to make a Federal law about abortion than they need to reach down, grab some, and do it. Politicians play both sides of the issue[/B].)[/quote]The Declaration of Independence states, "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Without going too far down the whole abortion debate rathole, Partial Birth Abortion denies life. Since Roe v. Wade is currently "settled law" and the abortion genie isn't going back into the bottle at least scaling back on the most despicable of abortion practices is a good thing. But I do agree that abortion should be a matter left to the states in most cases. In this case the Bush Admin did "grab some" and pushed this law through.

[quote]- Global HIV/AIDS funding ([B]Pure Progressive Socialism. Who gave that SOB the right to take my money for AIDS? Where do they get this right from? It would be one thing to do it in America but in Africa? I've got the cure for AIDS. Don't screw around and don't shoot dope[/B].)[/quote]There is no right other than Congress has the right to approve the President's budget and appropriate funds. However without risking U.S. military lives in combat it's estimated that this program saved over 1 million lives at a cost to the U.S. taxpayer of about $5B per year. Sometimes pure political philosphy is outweighed by the real cost of human lives, be they U.S. or not. We can't save the world, but if we can make this type of impact with a relatively small investment it's a cost/benefit that I'm sure the folks who are alive now appreciate. I'm pretty sure this blip in the federal budget most folks don't have a problem with.

[quote]- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance ([B]Why? TJ warned us about alliances. But Progressive Republicans and Democrats don't see it that way. Who gave them the right to wage war on the Serbs[/B]?)[/quote]Let's define the alliance that kept Western Europe free from the USSR for four decades and protects against threats today by a two month incident. Of course there's no U.S. interest to democracies in Europe.

[quote]- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments. ([B]I'm not so sure about these judges records since they've been in. I do know that the court has voted that emminent domain can be used for tax purposes. IE Oakland & Texas[/B].)[/quote]Neither was on the SC for Kelo-New London. I'm not sure about the other cases you refer to, but I would be surprised if either voted for eminent domain to be used to increase a tax base.

[quote]- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing ( [B]Why they weren't brought up for dereliction of duty I don't know. I would consider it a Conservative move to scrap a few of these agencies and have just three, Military, CIA, and FBI[/B].)[/quote]keep in mind 9/11 happened in 2001, less than 1 year after Bush took office. Hard to undo years of institutional issues in less than a year. Although without 9/11 I doubt Bush would've tackled this. However, he did remove barriers between various intel agencies which is a good thing. To go farther to increase performance and efficiencies would be better but to use this to justify that Republicans are socialists is a real reach...even for you.

[quote]- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending) ([B]Creating more beauracracy to solve the problems of having too much beauracracy is a classic socialist attribute.[/B])[/quote]Sometimes you don't read. If you know anything about Homeland Security there's a consolidation of about 13 agencies under the umbrella of DHS. What I said was these agencies should've been consolidated to reduce costs....but I guess you missed that part.

[quote]- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests. ([B]Even socialist don't like glowing in the dark. Kuddos to the SOB for keeping me safe after 9/11[/B].)[/quote]No comment is necessary here, I'll just use a "Matty" :doh:

[quote]- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy) ([B]Should have declared war and nuked the MFers of the face of the face of the EARTH. Decided to go the socialist route and nation build[/B].)[/quote]This is something my kid would say. I guess it makes sense to murder 32M people, a vast majority who had absolutely nothing to do with terrorists or 9/11. I'm sure there would've been no additional attacks then :frusty:

[quote]- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though. ([B]Classic progressive nation building[/B].)[/quote]What part of "long-term strategy not-so-much" did you not get. I'm a fan of the Lemay Doctrine.

[quote]- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession. ([B]Why Presidents get all the credit or flak for the economy is beyond me? Congress controls the purse strings, and Kenysian economics (socialist) goes up and down no matter who's in Congress or the White House.[/B])[/quote]We all know the President only has so much control over the economy, but the steps he did take were the correct ones IMO.

[quote]- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates) ([B]Bailout out the big boys at the expense of the little guy, classic Socialism. When Corporations are allowed to do business as long as they behave and do what their told, then it is socialism. When the government becomes a business and the Corporations become part of the government, that is the epitomy of Fascism.[/B])[/quote]Again you have your wires crossed. The Bush Economic Stimulus Act was "mostly tax rebates".
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008"]Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

When the corporations do what their told by the government it's called Gov't oversight or regulation. When government becomes part or takes over the corporation it's socialism

[quote]- Do Not Call Act ([B]From a conservative point of view, this should be left up to you, the phone company, and the jerks calling you at dinner[/B].)[/quote]It was left up to the American people and they overwhelmingly let their representatives know they approved of this legislation or there would've been more debate over it. I don't really care what point of view it's from, I'm just glad I don't get those damn calls anymore and it's a minimal cost to the U.S. taxpayer.

[quote][B]The only difference between a Communist and a Fascist is that a Fascist loves his country. They're both left wing a**hole autocrates. Conservatives mind their own business. If they say they do but really do not, they're probably just Republicans.[/B][/quote]Since we're labeling, isolationists and anarchists mind their own business too.

Re: What has Obama done well?

"No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition."

the USSR was not a true communist state. true communism is public and equal ownership of everything. fascism is generally based on a single authoritarian leader and strong hierarchical structure, with strong government control of everything.

"[B]Fascism is normally described as "extreme right"[/B][25] although writers on the subject have often found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum complex.[26] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both the left and the right.[27] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[28][29][30]"

since we're quoting wikipedia, oh look:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Nazism_.28Germany.29]Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

so, thanks for playing ;)

Re: What has Obama done well?

Trample can you define classic liberalism for me?

Re: What has Obama done well?

[quote=That Guy;580722]"No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition."

the USSR was not a true communist state. true communism is public and equal ownership of everything. fascism is generally based on a single authoritarian leader and strong hierarchical structure, with strong government control of everything.

"[B]Fascism is normally described as "extreme right"[/B][25] although writers on the subject have often found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum complex.[26] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both the left and the right.[27] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[28][29][30]"

since we're quoting wikipedia, oh look:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Nazism_.28Germany.29]Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

so, thanks for playing ;)[/quote]

You have only said that Fascism is "described" by writers as being far right but you've not said why it is so? What about National Socialism or Fascism is to the right?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;580750]Trample can you define classic liberalism for me?[/quote]

Natural Law.

Re: What has Obama done well?

[quote=saden1;580675]You're all over the place, do try to watch your drool and stick to what you know.[/quote]

Again, dismissiveness isn't an effective retort.

Re: What has Obama done well?

[quote=As a friend of mine said in one of these threads, "Don't label me."

[B]It was asked of me what about the Republican party is liberal or socialistic. Since you're thread was readily available I used it. I've no intention of labeling anyone but what you're advocating isn't conservative for the most part IMO only. My only interest was to show the difference between conservatism and the Republican party.[/B]

Education is still left up to the states. Federal funding in 2006 was $ 37.6B for K-12 education. Only about 8.3 % of overall funding. I stated the CONCEPT of No Child Left Behind is a good one. What's wrong with increasing student/school performance and holding schools accountable?
The execution and implementation hasn't been the best, but again the execution is left to each state. If a state doesn't want funds they don't have to participate. If you've got a problem with this "socialist" program on principle, take it up with the state legislature in VA and tell them to refuse the funds.

[B]I know $37.6B isn't a lot for some people but it is to me. I've read the test that were given to high schoolers before the Federal government usurped the State's power. Most of the people (including myself) would have a hard time with them. What is socialist or progressive about the Department of education is its consolidation of power from the people. It has only grown and will only grow more so. You know as well as I do that if a state chooses to withdraw or not comply with a federal program then the Fed withholds funding. Just look at the alcohol age limit laws.[/B]

The Declaration of Independence states, "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Without going too far down the whole abortion debate rathole, Partial Birth Abortion denies life. Since Roe v. Wade is currently "settled law" and the abortion genie isn't going back into the bottle at least scaling back on the most despicable of abortion practices is a good thing. But I do agree that abortion should be a matter left to the states in most cases. In this case the Bush Admin did "grab some" and pushed this law through.

[B]Another stretch of the Constituition. Do you honestly believe that the Founding Fathers were thinking about abortions? Executives should be enforcing law, not making it. That's Congress' job.[/B]

There is no right other than Congress has the right to approve the President's budget and appropriate funds. However without risking U.S. military lives in combat it's estimated that this program saved over 1 million lives at a cost to the U.S. taxpayer of about $5B per year. Sometimes pure political philosphy is outweighed by the real cost of human lives, be they U.S. or not. We can't save the world, but if we can make this type of impact with a relatively small investment it's a cost/benefit that I'm sure the folks who are alive now appreciate. I'm pretty sure this blip in the federal budget most folks don't have a problem with.

[B]What does this have to do with me paying for Africans with AIDs? You're putting your morals on me. What you're saying is this: it's alright to take money from me without my permission, send it to people in Africa with AIDS, and then tell me it's alright, because it is a small investment that will save money in the long run.[/B]

Let's define the alliance that kept Western Europe free from the USSR for four decades and protects against threats today by a two month incident. Of course there's no U.S. interest to democracies in Europe.

[B]What threats do the Europeans keep us from? In case you haven't noticed they can't even put out all of the cars that the Muslims lit up. The last time I was in London it was like being in Tehran. Europeans are too busy becoming extinct to protect themselves or anyone else. Do you honestly believe that the French, Germans, or Italians would've gone to war with the Soviets? American nuclear arms kept Europe safe not some BS one sided alliance. They sure have helped us in Afghanistan huh?[/B]

Neither was on the SC for Kelo-New London. I'm not sure about the other cases you refer to, but I would be surprised if either voted for eminent domain to be used to increase a tax base.

[B]From what I can remember the Supreme Court said that emminent domain allowed the city of Oakland to tear down "blighted" areas so that the city could bring in business. In other words, the ghetto doesn't bring in enough tax revenue.[/B]

keep in mind 9/11 happened in 2001, less than 1 year after Bush took office. Hard to undo years of institutional issues in less than a year. Although without 9/11 I doubt Bush would've tackled this. However, he did remove barriers between various intel agencies which is a good thing. To go farther to increase performance and efficiencies would be better but to use this to justify that Republicans are socialists is a real reach...even for you. Sometimes you don't read. If you know anything about Homeland Security there's a consolidation of about 13 agencies under the umbrella of DHS. What I said was these agencies should've been consolidated to reduce costs....but I guess you missed that part.

[B]Sometimes I don't have the time or inclination to go through every thread you've posted. I'm sure you don't look over all of mine. Trimming fat from the government is conservative but adding another layer of beauracracy to do it isn't. If they want to consolidate why not put it all into the CIA? There would be only one agency to hold accountable then.[/B]

This is something my kid would say. I guess it makes sense to murder 32M people, a vast majority who had absolutely nothing to do with terrorists or 9/11. I'm sure there would've been no additional attacks then. What part of "long-term strategy not-so-much" did you not get. I'm a fan of the Lemay Doctrine.

[B]I'm not familiar with the Lemay Doctrine. I'm more of a Sun Tzu kind of guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Curtis Lemay personally lead firebombing missions and advocate nuclear war with Japan? Didn't he predict we would lose in Vietnam because we weren't willing to do what it took to win, just like now? I'm sure not every Japanese raped Nanking and not every German gassed Slavs, but war is war. A long protracted war is the ruin of a nation. [/B]

We all know the President only has so much control over the economy, but the steps he did take were the correct ones IMO.

[B]Your opinion.[/B]

Again you have your wires crossed. The Bush Economic Stimulus Act was "mostly tax rebates".
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008"]Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

[B]I'm sorry, I thought he went on the television and said he was bailing out Wall Street? I guess I was hearing things? You heard tax cut and I heard bailout. In other words, certain institutions were too big to fail. That's what I heard.[/B]

When the corporations do what their told by the government it's called Gov't oversight or regulation. When government becomes part or takes over the corporation it's socialism

[B]Hmmm, GE, General Motors, Bank Of America, Fannie Mae . . . . . [/B]

It was left up to the American people and they overwhelmingly let their representatives know they approved of this legislation or there would've been more debate over it. I don't really care what point of view it's from, I'm just glad I don't get those damn calls anymore and it's a minimal cost to the U.S. taxpayer.

[B]You're arguing for the outcome. I argue about the principle[/B]

Since we're labeling, isolationists and anarchists mind their own business too.[/quote]

[B]Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't WWI started when a Serbian anarchist shot the Austrian Arch Duke? What about the liberal anarchist that threw bombs in the sixties and seventies? [/B]

[B]Why not stand behind something. If you're a Progressive Republican than so be it; Teddy Roosevelt was one. Democrats used to be the only reason to vote Republican. Now there's no difference between the two.

From what I get, you're not advocating the principles, just the outcomes. It's alright if we do this progressive thing or that, it saves lives and money. But when the Republican party got Iraqi egg on their face the public turned on them. From Wilson, to LBJ, to GWB, America has to be the protector of Democracy. BS!

I was asked what classic liberalism was. IMO natural law was the best answer. Whether it's the environment, social problems, economic decline, or just a simple scab. Nature and the common man usually fix things themselves if they're not effed with.

Perhaps I sound self-righteous. I probably am, so what? What works for me may not work for you. All I'm saying is that I mind my own business better than someone else. That's conservative. I'm was also tired of these liberal fools saying things like, "Right Wing Nazis" or "Right Wing Fascist". That is a lie. [/B]

Re: What has Obama done well?

why do you have to yell?

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[quote=dmek25;580987]why do you have to yell?[/quote]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS YELLING? I'm not as good with my quotes, so I put my comments in bold to distinguish me from Sammy.