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[quote=44Deezel;600229]It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.[/quote]


If I had said this the mods would have been all over my ass. Where are they now?

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49/83 (59%) 606 yds, 4 td's, 2 int's [B]Mark Sanchez NYJ[/B]
69/102 (68%) 783 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's [B]Jason Campbell WAS[/B]
87/142 (61%) 871 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's [B]Tom Brady NE[/B]

According to the numbers, the Jets and the Patriots should be asking for Sanchez and Brady to be benched.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;600451]49/83 (59%) 606 yds, 4 td's, 2 int's [B]Mark Sanchez NYJ[/B]
69/102 (68%) 783 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's [B]Jason Campbell WAS[/B]
87/142 (61%) 871 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's [B]Tom Brady NE[/B]

According to the numbers, the Jets and the Patriots should be asking for Sanchez and Brady to be benched.[/quote]

The problem is, the Jets are 3-0 which means Mark Sanchez is automatically labeled and all star, like Flacco was last season.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;600451]49/83 (59%) 606 yds, 4 td's, 2 int's [B]Mark Sanchez NYJ[/B]
69/102 (68%) 783 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's [B]Jason Campbell WAS[/B]
87/142 (61%) 871 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's [B]Tom Brady NE[/B]

According to the numbers, the Jets and the Patriots should be asking for Sanchez and Brady to be benched.[/quote]

Brady should be benched. He's always been a bum. The Pats should be starting Colt Brennan. :)

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[quote=Southpaw;600461]The problem is, the Jets are 3-0 which means Mark Sanchez is automatically labeled and all star, like Flacco was last season.[/quote]

The difference between them and us. They set their QBs up to suceed with good defenses and good running games. But let some people tell it. They did it all on their own. If we had the same system here JC would have had time to develop naturally. But we didn't

Same with Matt Ryan.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;600318]Last time I remember seeing a Redskins defensive Touchdown off the top of my head was 2005 when Sean Taylor helped seal the deal against the Eagles. Man that was a good year.[/quote]

Last one I remember seeing was Carlos Rogers' only one probably against the Lions in 2007.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;600465]The difference between them and us. They set their QBs up to suceed with good defenses and good running games. But let some people tell it. They did it all on their own. If we had the same system here JC would have had time to develop naturally. But we didn't

Same with Matt Ryan.[/quote]

Really now ? So what you are saying is that Mark Sanchez learning his offense and running practices 2 weeks after being drafted was because of everyone around him ? If you put Mark Brunell in the game instead of Drew Brees then the Saints don't look like they do with Brees. When Brad Johnson went in for Dallas last year they looked like a completely different team. The fact is that Jason does nothing to help this team win. His stats look good at the end of the game but when was the last time you saw a Pass Inteference called on the defense while we have the ball ? You don't. Then guys deep ball accuracy is horrible but that is supposed to be his best throw. He doesn't throw the ball to a spot before the receiver breaks because he has to see the numbers before he throws it. How come he hardly ever calls audibles ? It's because the coaches tell him not to right ? Even when he is supposedly effective during the 2 min drill, when he gets to call his own plays does he ever beat a DB by throwing the ball on the money to a receiver ? No, they are all mid level throws that the receivers can rack up YAC because the D is in a prevent. His stats are padded. Point Blank.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;600480]Last one I remember seeing was Carlos Rogers' only one probably against the Lions in 2007.[/quote]

If real life was like Madden 10 then pretty much the few interceptions we have had in the last few years would have been Touchdowns due in part because according to Madden offensive players know nothing of pursuit angles.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;600516]If real life was like Madden 10 then pretty much the few interceptions we have had in the last few years would have been Touchdowns due in part because according to Madden offensive players know nothing of pursuit angles.[/quote]

If only.....

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And we would also be 3-0 because they all would have stepped out of bounds 3 yards before a first down with 40 yards of open field ahead of them.....

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;600493]Really now ? So what you are saying is that Mark Sanchez learning his offense and running practices 2 weeks after being drafted was because of everyone around him ? If you put Mark Brunell in the game instead of Drew Brees then the Saints don't look like they do with Brees. When Brad Johnson went in for Dallas last year they looked like a completely different team. The fact is that Jason does nothing to help this team win. His stats look good at the end of the game but when was the last time you saw a Pass Inteference called on the defense while we have the ball ? You don't. Then guys deep ball accuracy is horrible but that is supposed to be his best throw. He doesn't throw the ball to a spot before the receiver breaks because he has to see the numbers before he throws it. How come he hardly ever calls audibles ? It's because the coaches tell him not to right ? Even when he is supposedly effective during the 2 min drill, when he gets to call his own plays does he ever beat a DB by throwing the ball on the money to a receiver ? No, they are all mid level throws that the receivers can rack up YAC because the D is in a prevent. His stats are padded. Point Blank.[/quote]
Really.

We are not talking about Mark Brunell. Brad Johnson is old that's all. But I think he did win a Superbowl after he left us. Or was that in my dreams? So you are blaming JC for us not getting Pass Interference calls? Huh? Don't know about deep ball accuracy. He hasn't thrown that many. That is something he can work on if it is an issue. Umm. So I guess he's too dumb to call audibles? When he has called the plays whether it is garbage time or not he scored. If he was so horrible he wouldn't even be able to do that.

Umm the West Coast offense is mainly intermediate throws. Your right. He puts the ball on the numbers with velocity instead of throwing to a spot or area. I woudn't blame him because our WRs keep dropping the ball. If he throws it somewhere they can catch it and he makes a completion then it really doesn't matter to me. Perfect example of throwing to an area Delhomme. He is responsible for his INTs for the most part. But some of them are because he is throwing to an area and the defense is there instead of the WR. You really want to do that with Thomas or Kelly? LOL. Even saying that Delhomme has been horrible. Maybe we should pick him up? Maybe you would be happy with a guy that throws to an area instead of completing passes. Our young receivers are not precise route runners at this point so it would be a disaster if that happened.

But you are right. He is absoultey horrible. He can't learn from his mistakes He can't grow as a QB. He is the worst QB in the NFL. He holds the ball too long. He isn't smart. He has a slow wind up release.. [end sarcasm]

Did I forget anything else? This is getting so old..

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[quote=44Deezel;600229]It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? [B]Dumbass[/B] says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. [B]Kiss my ass[/B]. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his [B]ass[/B]? How [B]gay[/B] would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.[/quote]

:bdh:

as fas as the kiss my ass comment. no thanks. Its kinda hard to anyway when you have your head so far up there. whining and bitching like a lil girl..how gay would that be? I think our offensive problems started way before campbell was starting. we were so dynamic on offense when Brunell was here weren't we. Im more like a smart ass. your the dumbass sir.

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How many of those yards and completions were done during prevent defense, need to see him do it during a reg. defense and GET US IN THE ENDZONE. Whew, this stuff is killing me. JC is still lost and making mistakes during critical times. His recievers shouldn't have to dive for the first down marker. Scared, scared young man, to afraid of throwing the ball and letting the cievers make the catch at the proper time, he always dumps off to early.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;600178]... Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. [/quote]

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I stated that I have almost never seen him hit Moss in stride. In fact, I have almost never seen him hit a receiver running downfield in stride. Then I pointed out that the only time Moss did get it in stride he was able to take it for a TD. (I admit, Moss wasn't running downfield.) It just begs the question what would happen to TD production by the wide receivers if they were hit in stride (by JC, my late grandmother, or someone else.)

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[quote=44Deezel;600229]It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.[/quote]

Is there really any need for all that? I'm no mod, but I'm sure you could've made your point and left out the name-calling. :spank:

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;600573]:bdh:

as fas as the kiss my ass comment. no thanks. Its kinda hard to anyway when you have your head so far up there. whining and bitching like a lil girl..how gay would that be? I think our offensive problems started way before campbell was starting. we were so dynamic on offense when Brunell was here weren't we. Im more like a smart ass. your the dumbass sir.[/quote]
he shouldn't have done that but what is this.. the 3rd time you've replied to it?

it's the internet, take it a bit less seriously

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[quote=tryfuhl;600651]he shouldn't have done that but what is this.. the 3rd time you've replied to it?

it's the internet, take it a bit less seriously[/quote]

You might need to direct that at him buddy. One was to point out the mods who are always on me for responding to people [B]when they call me out[/B]. They didn't respond all day. Then I had to give my 2 cents on the actual football comment he made and then I had to insult him back :D. But I will ignore him from now on.

Thanks for the advice dude!!!

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[quote=Rajmahal33;600395]For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos.

My philosophy is that neither the defense nor the offense can win you a championship outright. They need the support of each other. We have an above average defense and an under average offense. The least we can do if we aren't scoring points is to dominate time of possession. In our two losses we haven't in our one win we have.

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.[/quote]Warner though, was the quarterback of a 9-7 team, and his defense performed (on the average) better than the Redskins defense (on the small sample average) has this year. Could we be a 9-7 team behind Campbell, good special teams, and nothing else? Absolutely. Is that a ticket to the super bowl? No more than the Cardinals were last year when they were being blown out by the Patriots. In the NFC East, that gets you to the playoffs only about half the time.

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[quote=GTripp0012;600661]Warner though, was the quarterback of a 9-7 team, and his defense performed (on the average) better than the Redskins defense (on the small sample average) has this year. Could we be a 9-7 team behind Campbell, good special teams, and nothing else? Absolutely. Is that a ticket to the super bowl? No more than the Cardinals were last year when they were being blown out by the Patriots. In the NFC East, that gets you to the playoffs only about half the time.[/quote]

I totally agree. If we can get our running game going and our D to get better on 3rd down. We will be much improved. But time will only tell.

Yeah and the thing about the Arizona is they stepped up on defense during the playoff stretch and Fitz was on FIRE!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;600253]oh c/mon tripp. i know you're smarter than that silly ass comment you just made. lol.[/quote]But I mean, how often does a team score 30+ without the benefit of a defensive touchdown (or special teams). Great offenses: pretty often. Above average offenses: not so much. Even if the defensive touchdown comes completely in garbage time, it's usually the difference between 27 and 34 points or something.

On one hand, the frequency at which we score 30+ points means nothing. We could employ the chuck and duck and score 33 points a week while losing games. On the other, teams that score that much that frequently usually get contributions from playmakers on all sides of the football.

With all due respect to Santana Moss' decisive TD in Detroit on a punt return, as long as you're hung up on points, start where the deficiency is most glaring.

And yeah, the offense scores at a below average rate no matter how far you break em down. But if the point is just how inept the team is at scoring, well, let's do that.

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People still dont realize that this is only campbell's 4th year in the league. Three different offenses Zorn, Saunders, Gibbs. The most successful Qbs have been in the same offense their whole career. Fans here need to stop acting like Synder and have patience with a good QB.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;600535]Really.

We are not talking about Mark Brunell. Brad Johnson is old that's all. But I think he did win a Superbowl after he left us. Or was that in my dreams? So you are blaming JC for us not getting Pass Interference calls? Huh? Don't know about deep ball accuracy. He hasn't thrown that many. That is something he can work on if it is an issue. Umm. So I guess he's too dumb to call audibles? When he has called the plays whether it is garbage time or not he scored. If he was so horrible he wouldn't even be able to do that.

Umm the West Coast offense is mainly intermediate throws. Your right. He puts the ball on the numbers with velocity instead of throwing to a spot or area. I woudn't blame him because our WRs keep dropping the ball. If he throws it somewhere they can catch it and he makes a completion then it really doesn't matter to me. Perfect example of throwing to an area Delhomme. He is responsible for his INTs for the most part. But some of them are because he is throwing to an area and the defense is there instead of the WR. You really want to do that with Thomas or Kelly? LOL. Even saying that Delhomme has been horrible. Maybe we should pick him up? Maybe you would be happy with a guy that throws to an area instead of completing passes. Our young receivers are not precise route runners at this point so it would be a disaster if that happened.

But you are right. He is absoultey horrible. He can't learn from his mistakes He can't grow as a QB. He is the worst QB in the NFL. He holds the ball too long. He isn't smart. He has a slow wind up release.. [end sarcasm]

Did I forget anything else? This is getting so old..[/quote]

I'm making a point. So basically you're satisfied with him playing one way for 3 1/2 quarters and then a completely different way in the last 1/2. Really ? You are right that the West Coast offense is a lot of intermediate throws by why is it that Philly's West Coast has so many deep routes ? Why is it that there are always receiviers for this offense that run deep routes but the ball is never thrown to them ? Why is it that so many of the fade routes end up out of bounds ? Is that the receiviers are running the wrong route or that the ball is thrown to the wrong area ? I didn't say that Campbell was too dumb to call audibles but the fact that he doesn't. But why should I look for him to call an audible when he doesn't even want to call his own protections ? He does call an audible here or there. But why is it that teams will consistently keep and 8th or 9th man in the box ? The QB doesn't force them to stay back. That's why. I said that Campbell throws to an area and not to a spot which was a problem and you used Delhomme as an example to agree with me ? Come on now, don't twist up my words.

Be as sarcastic as you want but that's all you have is to try and drop a zinger. You know for yourself that in this league you don't have 6 years to become a good QB. I guess he deserves it because he's a good guy ? I don't know what it is that you have seen that gives you all this confidence in this guy. You're right that it is getting old, that's why I feel like he needs to go. You think he should stay I don't. But I'll ask you to do this, make a bet with one of your friends that Jason Campbell will throw 20 touchdowns by the time that the season is over. Your 50 to their 100 and see how you feel then. See if you are as faithful in him as you are now.

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Cocaine doesn't lie either. That's doesn't mean it isn't expensive and doesn't suck the life out of you.

Newsflash! Soup, Zorn, the coaches, and the whole damn team are not the problem. It is the great Satan himself, Danny Boy.

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JC has improved this year vs last. That's good. We're 1-2 though. Realistically to be successful JC needs a complete team around him. Brees, TB, PM, Rivers...they can hide some team defiencies just by putting points on the board.

Time will tell. JC is pretty accurate for the most part. He has trouble w/ the fade route and sometimes the long throws. His "football" awareness is much better than a couple years ago. Without a significant run game I'm afraid it's going to be a rough year in terms of W's and L's. JC has got to step up and put the ball in the endzone.

Oh yeah, w/ 15 seconds left, needing a touchdown, on the wrong side of the 50 yardline, no timeouts...you can't throw down the middle of the field, JC. You've been around too long, you should know this. Good thing it was overthrown or time would have expired. We lost anyway, but come on. You throw to the edges or deep.

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JC was just running the play that was called, blame the horrible hook and ladder call on Zorn.

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[quote=Mattyk72;600755]JC was just running the play that was called, blame the horrible hook and ladder call on Zorn.[/quote]

I think he was referring to the play before that one.

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Bottomline to everything is - this team is Campbell's team (coming from his own words). Who do you hold accountable for the redskins performances given that Campbell has said he was taking responsibility for the redskins?

Let me know if I was reading into it more than I necessarily need to. When someone says something as strongly as this - to take responsibility for something as big as this, then I sit up and take notice - and I hold him to it.

The redskins are his team, but he is not held accountable. I just don't get it.

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... and I just read the Blache article for taking on blame. That's what Manning-up is - taking responsibility. That's what you call what a man is. Before reading this, I thought Blache was just cruising out this season and was planning to retire at the end of it, but now I know different. This guy has nothing but respect from me.

And to me this is what being a man is all about - not about how physically big you are.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;600756]I think he was referring to the play before that one.[/quote]

Yeah, i was. The game would have been over if it was caught. There was no hook and ladder on that one. Just a dumb play.

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^^ yeah I hear ya but just the fact we were in that position to begin with kinda tells the story

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[quote=GTripp0012;600050]I don't know of any fantasy football league on the planet that uses completion percentage or quarterback rating to score it's players. Have we not played fantasy football?

If you can make an airtight statistical argument that Campbell is not getting it done when it matters (without using the 'it' cliche, because frankly, no one cares), I'll hat tip you and move on. Otherwise, you're just being a blowhard for everyone elses QB, who have not been as good as Jason Campbell this year.[/quote]

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;600769]Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.[/quote]Rodney Harrison is an expert now? I think your bullshit meter is broken.

I've watched Cutler play for a long time and he impresses me no more or less than Campbell has. And now he's going through a system transition for the first time in his career, and the results haven't been very good. Sanchez has amazing attention to detail in his work and a lot of really smart people think he's going to be really special, but I happen to not be one of those people. Plus right now, it's not even close. You'd take Campbell's production over Sanchez' produciton 100 out of 100 times.

Sanchez might end up having the better career, but as Paintrain pointed out, who cares? We were never in position to draft him, no matter how serious we were about liking him. Blame Zorn for beating up on Dallas and Philly last year -- if you must.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;600769]Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.[/quote]

Yeah, Cutler looked like the real deal when he threw pass after pass to Green Bay defenders. Some of those passes were the fault of his receivers but some of them were Cutler's fault.

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[quote=warriorzpath;600760]Bottomline to everything is - this team is Campbell's team (coming from his own words). Who do you hold accountable for the redskins performances given that Campbell has said he was taking responsibility for the redskins?

Let me know if I was reading into it more than I necessarily need to. When someone says something as strongly as this - to take responsibility for something as big as this, then I sit up and take notice - and I hold him to it.

The redskins are his team, but he is not held accountable. I just don't get it.[/quote]

The only people who do actually get held accountable (i.e. are in danger of losing their job NOW) are those who have decent backups behind them (Horton/Doughty). Campbell is by far the best QB on the team right now. His play has done nothing to merit benching him, even if we had a viable backup behind him. The end of the season, thats another matter. If his play doesn't improve, he'll be held accountable then, when he's sent packing. At this point, it sure seems likely that we're headed for an uncapped year, and i would not be shocked at all to see A LOT of "untouchables" sent packing with him.

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[quote=Lotus;600772]Yeah, Cutler looked like the real deal when he threw pass after pass to Green Bay defenders. Some of those passes were the fault of his receivers but some of them were Cutler's fault.[/quote]

Campbell threw atleast 2, and probably 3 balls that absolutely should have been intercepted against the Lions. If we werent playing the 2nd-worst team in football, Campbell would be looking alot worse right now.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;600738]I'm making a point. So basically you're satisfied with him playing one way for 3 1/2 quarters and then a completely different way in the last 1/2. Really ? You are right that the West Coast offense is a lot of intermediate throws by why is it that Philly's West Coast has so many deep routes ? Why is it that there are always receiviers for this offense that run deep routes but the ball is never thrown to them ? Why is it that so many of the fade routes end up out of bounds ? Is that the receiviers are running the wrong route or that the ball is thrown to the wrong area ? I didn't say that Campbell was too dumb to call audibles but the fact that he doesn't. But why should I look for him to call an audible when he doesn't even want to call his own protections ? He does call an audible here or there. But why is it that teams will consistently keep and 8th or 9th man in the box ? The QB doesn't force them to stay back. That's why. I said that Campbell throws to an area and not to a spot which was a problem and you used Delhomme as an example to agree with me ? Come on now, don't twist up my words.

Be as sarcastic as you want but that's all you have is to try and drop a zinger. You know for yourself that in this league you don't have 6 years to become a good QB. I guess he deserves it because he's a good guy ? I don't know what it is that you have seen that gives you all this confidence in this guy. You're right that it is getting old, that's why I feel like he needs to go. You think he should stay I don't. But I'll ask you to do this, make a bet with one of your friends that[B] Jason Campbell will throw 20 touchdowns by the time that the season is over.[/B] Your 50 to their 100 and see how you feel then. See if you are as faithful in him as you are now.[/quote]You want to make this bet with me? I could really use the 100 bucks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;600773]The only people who do actually get held accountable (i.e. are in danger of losing their job NOW) are those who have decent backups behind them (Horton/Doughty). Campbell is by far the best QB on the team right now. His play has done nothing to merit benching him, even if we had a viable backup behind him. The end of the season, thats another matter. If his play doesn't improve, he'll be held accountable then, when he's sent packing. At this point, it sure seems likely that we're headed for an uncapped year, and i would not be shocked at all to see A LOT of "untouchables" sent packing with him.[/quote]I still don't understand why you keep bringing up Cutler and Sanchez. We were closer to getting Cutler than Sanchez, but it's pretty obvious we would have been worse off for it, which is what we were all saying at the time.

No, Campbell can't get benched this season, and yes I'd probably trade him in to get rid of Blache as well at the end of the year. I feel like our team is fundamentally flawed, and the difference of opinion here is that some people feel that you have to replace the quarterback to get a better team, but it seems clear to me that when you have a team like the Redskins, it doesn't really matter who is at QB.

Campbell is keeping us in a lot of games, but I'm thinking that's only giving the illusion that we are closer than we actually are. Without him, we'd be getting blown out every week and then maybe it would be clear that the rest of the team is a major problem that can't be ignored.

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[quote=GTripp0012;600771]Rodney Harrison is an expert now? I think your bullshit meter is broken.

I've watched Cutler play for a long time and he impresses me no more or less than Campbell has. And now he's going through a system transition for the first time in his career, and the results haven't been very good. Sanchez has amazing attention to detail in his work and a lot of really smart people think he's going to be really special, but I happen to not be one of those people. Plus right now, it's not even close. You'd take Campbell's production over Sanchez' produciton 100 out of 100 times.

Sanchez might end up having the better career, but as Paintrain pointed out, who cares? We were never in position to draft him, no matter how serious we were about liking him. Blame Zorn for beating up on Dallas and Philly last year -- if you must.[/quote]

I'll take a recent elite defensive player with a superbowl rings opinion over most others any day of the week.

I don't see how you can actually watch Cutler and Campbell play and think theyre equal. Theyre most certainly not. And Josh McDaniels, a guy who coached the best QB in the league, a guy who knows more about QBs than anyone here wanted Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell. If that's not damning for Campbell, then I dont know what is.

As to Sanchez, the Jets have far less talent on Offense than we do. That, combined with the fact that he's a rookie, makes his performance that more impressive. I'm impressed when i watch him and I respect Trent Diflers opinion on QBs and he's very high on Sanchez. In 5 years, or whenever Manning and Brady retire, Sanchez will be one of the top 3 QBs in the league. No, we were not in a position to draft him, but we should have tried harder to put ourselves in a position to be. Now we're gonna be stuck drafting one of the overrated QBs in the 2010 draft. On the bright side, atleast whoever we hire to replace Zorn will get to pick his own QB.

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;600773]The only people who do actually get held accountable (i.e. are in danger of losing their job NOW) are those who have decent backups behind them (Horton/Doughty). Campbell is by far the best QB on the team right now. His play has done nothing to merit benching him, even if we had a viable backup behind him. The end of the season, thats another matter. If his play doesn't improve, he'll be held accountable then, when he's sent packing. At this point, it sure seems likely that we're headed for an uncapped year, and i would not be shocked at all to see A LOT of "untouchables" sent packing with him.[/quote]

Not really talking about benching him. And it goes beyond just X's and O's. I would have really liked him to step up and become the leader he said he was and just take some blame and responsibility for some things. God knows that's what the redskins need right now. Blache has started it. And Zorn to a lesser extent and to a reaction of what Blache has said. But now the players really need to man up - especially Campbell.

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;600780]I'll take a recent elite defensive player with a superbowl rings opinion over most others any day of the week.

I don't see how you can actually watch Cutler and Campbell play and think theyre equal. Theyre most certainly not. And Josh McDaniels, a guy who coached the best QB in the league, a guy who knows more about QBs than anyone here wanted Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell. If that's not damning for Campbell, then I dont know what is.

As to Sanchez, the Jets have far less talent on Offense than we do. That, combined with the fact that he's a rookie, makes his performance that more impressive. I'm impressed when i watch him and I respect Trent Diflers opinion on QBs and he's very high on Sanchez. In 5 years, or whenever Manning and Brady retire, Sanchez will be one of the top 3 QBs in the league. No, we were not in a position to draft him, but we should have tried harder to put ourselves in a position to be. Now we're gonna be stuck drafting one of the overrated QBs in the 2010 draft.[/quote]Even if that player talks bullshit every time he opens his mouth? Or, wait, let me guess, you didn't pay attention to Rodney Harrison before you heard he said this.

Fine, they're not equal. Campbell is a lot better this year. Or so the statistics say. Ridiculousness of the Kyle Orton fiasco aside, the guy (Orton) is badly outproducing Cutler this year. And well, since he's only completing 57% of his passes, no, that probably won't last.

It's not true to say that Sanchez doesn't have as much talent on offense as we do. Sanchez is playing behind the best, or second best OL in the AFC. That's a huge advanage over our line which lost our most veteran interior lineman a week ago. They have the best center in the league, we have one of the worst. In fact, the only position we are actually better at is LT.

The receivers are pretty comprable (Cotchery > Moss, Kelly > Stuckey, ARE > Clowney, Cooley > Keller, and all those matchups are pretty close), but don't you look longingly at that running game and wish you could get a piece of it?

Sanchez is working with more than either Cutler or Campbell, and now that Cutler has no OL, he's got a career high sack rate and 5 INT in 3 games. In many ways his early development was a complete product of the offensive environment in Denver, and he might be 3 years away from being a pro bowl QB for the Bears. I wonder if they will have the patience to wait him out :yeahright.

Your ability to selectively defer to the knowledge of only those who agree with you never ceases to amaze.