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[quote=SBXVII;700305]Something has to be done. Also keep in mind how the Hispanic/Latino immigrants must feel who came here legally? I have spoken with many who actually don't feel sorry for their brethren who came illegally. The individuals who came legally were probably waiting on a list for about 10 yrs to be allowed into the US. The illegals simply walked in not carring. Then the legal ones have to wait 5-10 yrs plus take a test to become citizens.

I've seen the annimosity from the Latino/Hispanic culter also. Basically it's not fair if one group of people has to follow the rules and the Gov. looks the other way at another group of people.[/quote]

Who said that the constitution was an English document. A bunch of fugitives, criminals, and religious extremists from England running around trying to mimic the French Revolution. Going to California complaining about Mexicans is like going to Hawaii complaining about Hawaiians. We do have an English part of the country it's called New England. Preserving English culture is not being a patriot. England burned the freaking white house down. In Amercian culture we have incorporated lots of different types of talent to build this empire. If Amercia was all about being English why did they go all the way acroos the ocean to pick up Africans to teach them how to farm rice and cotton? (proof: where were the rice and cotton pantations in England? didn't have any it's not English culture). What made Amercia rich? Surely wasn't blood pie.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700400][B]Who said that the constitution was an English document.[/B] A bunch of fugitives, criminals, and religious extremists from England running around trying to mimic the French Revolution.[/quote]
I don't think many people would argue the Constitution didn't derive from the Magna Carta, and the effects of English history.
[quote=joethiesmanfan;700400]and the Going to California complaining about Mexicans is like going to Hawaii complaining about Hawaiians. We do have an English part of the country it's called New England. Preserving English culture is not being a patriot. England burned the freaking white house down. In Amercian culture we have incorporated lots of different types of talent to build this empire. If Amercia was all about being English why did they go all the way acroos the ocean to pick up Africans to teach them how to farm rice and cotton? (proof: where were the rice and cotton pantations in England? didn't have any it's not English culture). What made Amercia rich? Surely wasn't blood pie.[/quote]
Did Africans from the ivory coast/liberia farm rice and cotton? I ask because I did not know that. Looking online, cotton and rice increased the slave trade due to the need for cheap labor not instructions on farming cotton per se.

Interesting reads on this topic include:

[url=http://www.slaveryinamerica.org/history/hs_es_cotton.htm]Slavery in America[/url]
and

[url=http://www.answers.com/topic/plantation-system-of-the-south]Plantation System of the South: Information from Answers.com[/url]
All that said, your point of incorporating a lot of cultures (melting pot) is true but we didn't succeed as a country by setting up islands of nationalities (didn't work well in Czechoslovakia either), but by the individual nationalities submitting to an identity as a United States citizen.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700400]Who said that the constitution was an English document. A bunch of fugitives, criminals, and religious extremists from England running around trying to mimic the French Revolution. Going to California complaining about Mexicans is like going to Hawaii complaining about Hawaiians. We do have an English part of the country it's called New England. Preserving English culture is not being a patriot. England burned the freaking white house down. In Amercian culture we have incorporated lots of different types of talent to build this empire. If Amercia was all about being English why did they go all the way acroos the ocean to pick up Africans to teach them how to farm rice and cotton? (proof: where were the rice and cotton pantations in England? didn't have any it's not English culture). What made Amercia rich? Surely wasn't blood pie.[/quote]

Wow, Ok, England truly is at fault here though. Unless you don't know your history? The Americans were not the first to run to Africa and pick up slaves. To be honest with you the Arabs started the African slave issue and trade. When England arrived in the Middle East and wanted to trade alcohol for something the only thing the Arabs wanted to trade was the slaves. England had to figure out what to do with a boat load of slaves. So they decided to try to bring them to the America's (all up and down the Eastern coast to include South America) and trade them for our wheat and cotton. Yes the farmers excepted this and used the slaves to help work the fields and built bigger fields due to all the hands he had working the fields.

You do realize even after Lincoln freed the southern slaves that the northern slaves were not free? Lincoln hoped by freeing the slaves it would cause the Africans to rise up and fight against the Rebs. Unfortunatly that didn't happen and many of slaves joined the south in fighting for the southern rights.

You speak of New Hamshire yet they were one of the states that banned the freed Africans. Even made a law to have them hanged.

Also why was it that 10 to 20 yrs after America freed their slaves America was still shipping slaves to South America? Then when America banned the practice of shipping slaves, England continued to pick up and ship for another 10 to 20 yrs? England is not innocent in their cause and effect. Neither is the Northern States. I'm so amazed at how people get up in arms about the Southern flag but the American flag was the one flying when slavery started. The American flag was flying when only the southern slaves were freed, not all slaves. It was the American flag that flew on American ships who continued to ship Africans. Plus it was the American flag that allowed segrigation and racism. Seperate bathrooms, schools, stores, restaruants...etc. all under the American flag.

Instead of hating the Rebel flag, how about hating the bigots? Like the KKK who, guess what, also fly the American flag. :)

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[quote=SBXVII;700438]Wow, Ok, England truly is at fault here though. Unless you don't know your history? The Americans were not the first to run to Africa and pick up slaves. To be honest with you the Arabs started the African slave issue and trade. When England arrived in the Middle East and wanted to trade alcohol for something the only thing the Arabs wanted to trade was the slaves. England had to figure out what to do with a boat load of slaves. So they decided to try to bring them to the America's (all up and down the Eastern coast to include South America) and trade them for our wheat and cotton. Yes the farmers excepted this and used the slaves to help work the fields and built bigger fields due to all the hands he had working the fields.

You do realize even after Lincoln freed the southern slaves that the northern slaves were not free? Lincoln hoped by freeing the slaves it would cause the Africans to rise up and fight against the Rebs. Unfortunatly that didn't happen and many of slaves joined the south in fighting for the southern rights.

You speak of New Hamshire yet they were one of the states that banned the freed Africans. Even made a law to have them hanged.

Also why was it that 10 to 20 yrs after America freed their slaves America was still shipping slaves to South America? Then when America banned the practice of shipping slaves, England continued to pick up and ship for another 10 to 20 yrs? England is not innocent in their cause and effect. Neither is the Northern States. I'm so amazed at how people get up in arms about the Southern flag but the American flag was the one flying when slavery started. The American flag was flying when only the southern slaves were freed, not all slaves. It was the American flag that flew on American ships who continued to ship Africans. Plus it was the American flag that allowed segrigation and racism. Seperate bathrooms, schools, stores, restaruants...etc. all under the American flag.

Instead of hating the Rebel flag, how about hating the bigots? Like the KKK who, guess what, also fly the American flag. :)[/quote]



Your history of the slave trade is way off.

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I know I kinda went on a diatribe. sorry. But looking at the facts only about 1% of farmers had slaves. They were the Riches 1% cause not all farmers could afford slaves. Out of those 1% of farmers only a fraction had more then 5 slaves. If my memory serves me correctly only one farmer had 20 to 30 slaves. Thats it.

Also the whole "Farmers mistreating their slaves" was proven to be false and that it was a Northern propaganda scheme to get the US on board. I know someone will argue the issue so I'll retort now... why did so many Africans return to their plantations after they were freed and found that the Northern states were not so friendly? Why did the farmers who were so brutal give them land and allow them to stay on the land if they helped farm the land and even in most cases gave them part of the earnings in order to pay for food for their families?

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[quote=SBXVII;700438]Wow, Ok, England truly is at fault here though. Unless you don't know your history? The Americans were not the first to run to Africa and pick up slaves. To be honest with you the Arabs started the African slave issue and trade. When England arrived in the Middle East and wanted to trade alcohol for something the only thing the Arabs wanted to trade was the slaves. England had to figure out what to do with a boat load of slaves. So they decided to try to bring them to the America's (all up and down the Eastern coast to include South America) and trade them for our wheat and cotton. Yes the farmers excepted this and used the slaves to help work the fields and built bigger fields due to all the hands he had working the fields.

You do realize even after Lincoln freed the southern slaves that the northern slaves were not free? Lincoln hoped by freeing the slaves it would cause the Africans to rise up and fight against the Rebs. Unfortunatly that didn't happen and many of slaves joined the south in fighting for the southern rights.

You speak of New Hamshire yet they were one of the states that banned the freed Africans. Even made a law to have them hanged.

Also why was it that 10 to 20 yrs after America freed their slaves America was still shipping slaves to South America? Then when America banned the practice of shipping slaves, England continued to pick up and ship for another 10 to 20 yrs? England is not innocent in their cause and effect. Neither is the Northern States. I'm so amazed at how people get up in arms about the Southern flag but the American flag was the one flying when slavery started. The American flag was flying when only the southern slaves were freed, not all slaves. It was the American flag that flew on American ships who continued to ship Africans. Plus it was the American flag that allowed segrigation and racism. Seperate bathrooms, schools, stores, restaruants...etc. all under the American flag.

Instead of hating the Rebel flag, how about hating the bigots? Like the KKK who, guess what, also fly the American flag. :)[/quote]


I feel a sense of deja vu about this post for some reason. People now of days most likely hate on the Rebel flag because so many hate groups have adopted that flag as their own.

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[quote=SBXVII;700438]Wow, Ok, England truly is at fault here though. Unless you don't know your history? The Americans were not the first to run to Africa and pick up slaves. To be honest with you the Arabs started the African slave issue and trade. When England arrived in the Middle East and wanted to trade alcohol for something the only thing the Arabs wanted to trade was the slaves. England had to figure out what to do with a boat load of slaves. So they decided to try to bring them to the America's (all up and down the Eastern coast to include South America) and trade them for our wheat and cotton. Yes the farmers excepted this and used the slaves to help work the fields and built bigger fields due to all the hands he had working the fields.

You do realize even after Lincoln freed the southern slaves that the northern slaves were not free? Lincoln hoped by freeing the slaves it would cause the Africans to rise up and fight against the Rebs. Unfortunatly that didn't happen and many of slaves joined the south in fighting for the southern rights.

You speak of New Hamshire yet they were one of the states that banned the freed Africans. Even made a law to have them hanged.

Also why was it that 10 to 20 yrs after America freed their slaves America was still shipping slaves to South America? Then when America banned the practice of shipping slaves, England continued to pick up and ship for another 10 to 20 yrs? England is not innocent in their cause and effect. Neither is the Northern States. I'm so amazed at how people get up in arms about the Southern flag but the American flag was the one flying when slavery started. The American flag was flying when only the southern slaves were freed, not all slaves. It was the American flag that flew on American ships who continued to ship Africans. Plus it was the American flag that allowed segrigation and racism. Seperate bathrooms, schools, stores, restaruants...etc. all under the American flag.

Instead of hating the Rebel flag, how about hating the bigots? Like the KKK who, guess what, also fly the American flag. :)[/quote]

Why the hell would Arabs have to trade for alcohol when alcohol was brought back to Europe from the crusades. Alcohol is an Arabic word, WOW!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700440]Your history of the slave trade is way off.[/quote]

Your right. Kinda. The slave trade started when other African tribes didn't want to be slaves to the Arabs so they kidnapped opposing tribes and turned them over to the Arabs so they would leave them alone. Then Britan and the Arabs started trading. Somewhere in there the Brits decided to cut out the middle man and started taking Africans on their own.

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[quote=SBXVII;700446]Your right. Kinda. The slave trade started when other African tribes didn't want to be slaves to the Arabs so they kidnapped opposing tribes and turned them over to the Arabs so they would leave them alone. Then Britan and the Arabs started trading. Somewhere in there the Brits decided to cut out the middle man and started taking Africans on their own.[/quote]

Umm wrong again.

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I know you Can't believe everything from Wiki but....

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade]Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[QUOTE]Slavery was practiced in Africa before the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade.[12] Slavery and the slave trade were an integral part of African societies and states which supplied the Arab world with enslaved people for centuries before the arrival of the Europeans.[13] The African slave trade provided a large number of slaves to Europeans and their African agents[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The first side of the triangle was the export of goods from Europe to Africa. A number of African kings and merchants took part in the trading of enslaved people from 1440 to about 1833. For each captive, the African rulers would receive a variety of goods from Europe. These included guns, ammunition and other factory made goods. The second leg of the triangle exported enslaved Africans across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas and the Caribbean Islands. The third and final part of the triangle was the return of goods to Europe from the Americas. The goods were the products of slave-labour plantations and included cotton, sugar, tobacco, molasses and rum.[/QUOTE]

Although I didn't call it a triangle, I pretty much said the same thing.

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SBXVII, I think you're confusing the British with the Portuguese and Dutch on transporting slaves to the New World.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700450]Umm wrong again.[/quote]


Yep I was wrong. They didn't ship alcohol to the Arab countries. No different then you were wrong about

Rice Farming. LOL.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;700454]SBXVII, I think you're confusing the British with the Portuguese and Dutch on transporting slaves to the New World.[/quote]

No, Maybe, read the Wiki site. Africa started their own slaver. Then the Arabs got involved. Then several other countries. Yes the first wave was Portuguese and Dutch then the second wave was Britian and several other countries.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;700454]SBXVII, I think you're confusing the British with the Portuguese and Dutch on transporting slaves to the New World.[/quote]

Here's the paragraph:

[quote]
The First Atlantic system was the trade of enslaved Africans to, primarily, South American colonies of the Portuguese and Spanish empires; it accounted for only slightly more than 3% of all Atlantic slave trade. It started (on a significant scale) in about 1502[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#cite_note-15"][COLOR=#002bb8][16][/COLOR][/URL] and lasted until 1580, when [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal"][COLOR=#002bb8]Portugal[/COLOR][/URL] was temporarily [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Union"][COLOR=#002bb8]united[/COLOR][/URL] with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain"][COLOR=#002bb8]Spain[/COLOR][/URL]. While the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal"][COLOR=#002bb8]Portuguese[/COLOR][/URL] traded enslaved people themselves, the Spanish empire relied on the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiento"][COLOR=#002bb8]asiento[/COLOR][/URL] system, awarding merchants (mostly from other countries) the license to trade enslaved people to their colonies. During the first Atlantic system most of these traders were Portuguese, giving them a near-monopoly during the era, although some [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_people"][COLOR=#002bb8]Dutch[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people"][COLOR=#002bb8]English[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_people"][COLOR=#002bb8]Spanish[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people"][COLOR=#002bb8]French[/COLOR][/URL] traders also participated in the slave trade.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#cite_note-16"][COLOR=#002bb8][17][/COLOR][/URL] After the union, Portugal was weakened, with its colonial empire being attacked by the Dutch and British.
The Second Atlantic system was the trade of enslaved Africans by mostly British, Portuguese-Brazilian, French and Dutch traders. The main destinations of this phase were the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean"][COLOR=#002bb8]Caribbean[/COLOR][/URL] colonies, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil"][COLOR=#002bb8]Brazil[/COLOR][/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America"][COLOR=#002bb8]North America[/COLOR][/URL], as a number of European countries built up economically slave-dependent colonies in the New World. Amongst the proponents of this system were [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake"][COLOR=#002bb8]Francis Drake[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hawkins"][COLOR=#002bb8]John Hawkins[/COLOR][/URL].
[/quote]

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[quote=SBXVII;700455]Yep I was wrong. They didn't ship alcohol to the Arab countries. No different then you were wrong about

Rice Farming. LOL.[/quote]

I'm from South Carolina and alot of money was made off farming rice down here. Next time you go to Charleston learn some patriot history.

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But all this is not the point.

People have been treated like out cast ever since people started immigrating here. The Irish, Scotts, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc. etc. Now it's the hispanic/latino's.

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[quote=SBXVII;700460]Here's the paragraph:[/quote]

Economically dependent colonies. America's money.

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[quote=SBXVII;700456]No, Maybe, read the Wiki site. Africa started their own slaver. Then the Arabs got involved. Then several other countries. Yes the first wave was Portuguese and Dutch then the second wave was Britian and several other countries.[/quote]

Hmmm, I stand corrected.

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The point is this is America, alot of cultures contributed. English is not a requirement to be Amercian. English culture, religion, or none of that. america is huge and different areas of Amercia are dominated by different cultures. Gee whiz this is not England this is America and that is my only point. It's a unique situation because we have a unique history, get over it. The unique history built this place, before your ancestors got here 3 generations ago.

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"Time and changes in the condition and constitution of society may require occasional and corresponding modifications." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:113

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700468][B]The point is this is America, alot of cultures contributed. English is not a requirement to be Amercian. English culture, religion, or none of that.[/B] america is huge and different areas of Amercia are dominated by different cultures. Gee whiz this is not England this is America and that is my only point. It's a unique situation because we have a unique history, get over it. The unique history built this place, before your ancestors got here 3 generations ago.[/quote]

and I totally agree with you. I misunderstood you. I thought you were insinuating something to the fact that if we wanted to live someplace that spoke English only we should come to New England. For what ever reason I also thought you were refering to New England possibly not having any bones in their closets. Which was why I pointed out the northern states to include New England as being slave states and how they continued with slavery even after the southern slaves were freed.

I'm not sure what the answer is with the immigrants of today? Do we give amnesty, make them become citizens, and pay into our tax system and social security? or do we not allow them and when they get old and need help either medically or to live we simply pay out of everyones pocket for which they didn't pay into? I can tell you go talk to a cop and for all this hard work they are doing when they finally get someone shipped back to their country, with two weeks the individual is right back in America back on the street. Thats a lot of money spent to get them out, housing, plane flight, man power, to simply have them right back two weeks later.

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[quote=SBXVII;700513]and I totally agree with you. I misunderstood you. I thought you were insinuating something to the fact that if we wanted to live someplace that spoke English only we should come to New England. For what ever reason I also thought you were refering to New England possibly not having any bones in their closets. Which was why I pointed out the northern states to include New England as being slave states and how they continued with slavery even after the southern slaves were freed.

I'm not sure what the answer is with the immigrants of today? Do we give amnesty, make them become citizens, and pay into our tax system and social security? or do we not allow them and when they get old and need help either medically or to live we simply pay out of everyones pocket for which they didn't pay into? I can tell you go talk to a cop and for all this hard work they are doing when they finally get someone shipped back to their country, with two weeks the individual is right back in America back on the street. Thats a lot of money spent to get them out, housing, plane flight, man power, to simply have them right back two weeks later.[/quote]


We need to secure the border, but this area has always been the way it is. As for those here illegally, some can stay some can't staty. not all these illegal imigrants are good. We have no right to ask someone for their papers because they look like they may be Mexican. This is America we don't get down like that.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700518]We need to secure the border, but this area has always been the way it is. As for those here illegally, some can stay some can't staty. not all these illegal imigrants are good. [B]We have no right to ask someone for their papers because they look like they may be Mexican.[/B] This is America we don't get down like that.[/quote]Agree 100% with the bolded point. But we do have the right (and law enforcement has the responsibility) to ask for immigration status in the event someone has broken the law. The AZ law is to do away with the "sanctuary city" model, not to stop a father taking his kids to get ice cream and ask for papers.

Two teenage girls died a couple of years ago in Va Beach because of non-enforcement of immigration laws and I'm sure many other cities have similar stories.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;700534]Agree 100% with the bolded point. But we do have the right (and law enforcement has the responsibility) to ask for immigration status in the event someone has broken the law. The AZ law is to do away with the "sanctuary city" model, not to stop a father taking his kids to get ice cream and ask for papers.

Two teenage girls died a couple of years ago in Va Beach because of non-enforcement of immigration laws and I'm sure many other cities have similar stories.[/quote]

where you been the last few days missed you.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700547]where you been the last few days missed you.[/quote]LOL, just lurking. Been pretty busy at work. Caught a few minutes and thought I'd chime in. :)

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[url=http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/12/2312319.aspx]Poll: Nearly two-thirds back AZ law - First Read - msnbc.com[/url]

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I wanted to point this out today...lol. Why would Arizona care what LA thinks about their new law?
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/12/los-angeles-city-council-votes-boycott-arizona-immigration-law/]FOXNews.com - Los Angeles City Council Votes to Boycott Arizona Over Immigration Law[/url]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700518]We need to secure the border, but this area has always been the way it is. As for those here illegally, some can stay some can't staty. not all these illegal imigrants are good. We have no right to ask someone for their papers because they look like they may be Mexican. This is America we don't get down like that.[/quote]

Here is my issue. I don't live there. I'm not right in the mix of all the problems. I don't feel I should have a say in what the "Americans" can and can't do who are actually going through the problems.

I will say that what irritates me more then anything is the fact that people fail to realize illegal immigrants do not have the same rights as Americans. I still can't figure out how or why "Citizen rights" quickly got meshed and confused with "Human rights." When you look at the Amendments those are rights designated for "Citizens." Especially the Bill of Rights. Only refers to Citizens. If your not a "Citizen" those rights don't apply to you. The Feds, local police, ICE whoever are not breaking any laws agains illegals when they don't have those rights granted to them. The only people who might have a leg to argue about is the "legal immigrants." If I was of hispanic origin and kept getting stopped and harrassed about papers I might get upset.

In my book, Human rights should only pertain to making sure they are not bleeding to death. Otherwise, ship them back.

I do find the rules regarding Cubans funny and unfair compared to other illegal immigrants. If the Cuban makes it to the US and touches soil they can stay. No one can deport them. lol.

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I stand corrected. I don't agree with it but I'll admit I was wrong.

[QUOTE]Civil and political rights were among the first to be recognized and codified. In many countries, they are constitutional rights and are included in a bill of rights or similar document. They are also defined in international human rights instruments, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical integrity and safety; protection from [B]discrimination on grounds such as [/B]physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, national origin, age,[B] immigrant status,[/B] etc; and individual rights such as the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement[/QUOTE]

Again I don't agree with it. If your a citizen then obviously these rights should apply to you, but how on earth should these rules apply to people who show up from another country uninvited and automatically receive same and equal treatment as citizens? I'm not refering to people who are allowed to come or stay and have green cards and are attempting to become citizens, I'm talking about the illegal that walks across the boarder today and automatically should receive these rights.

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[quote=SBXVII;700749]I wanted to point this out today...lol. Why would Arizona care what LA thinks about their new law?
[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/12/los-angeles-city-council-votes-boycott-arizona-immigration-law/"]FOXNews.com - Los Angeles City Council Votes to Boycott Arizona Over Immigration Law[/URL][/quote]

Los Angeles is broke why should AR care. LA better be ready because alot of illegals will be moving out of AR because of this law and will be moving to friendly cities like LA. LA is allready broke and this will just make things worse. If I was a mayor or governor of a boarder city or state to AR I'd atleast start talking tough to try and prevent the flood of illegals coming to my area.

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Hey I know that this issue has very many views and it affects different people different ways... My brother and I are Musicians and have made a song about this issue (not playful) and would like for you all to listen to it.

[url=http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_2841781]"Keep Us Down (produced by KB)" by BIGGADENLYPHE (Bigger Than Life)[/url]

Tell me what you think... I trust that my fellow skins fans can handle things like adults!

Thanks in advance for taking the time to listen to the tracks.

You can listen to more of our music at
[url=http://www.reverbnation.com/#/biggadenlyphe]ReverbNation[/url]

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By the way I was born here in the United Sates from parents born in Cuba and Colombia! It does not affect me directly but it does my family!

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[quote=firstdown;700760]Los Angeles is broke why should AR care. LA better be ready because alot of illegals will be moving out of AR because of this law and will be moving to friendly cities like LA. LA is allready broke and this will just make things worse. If I was a mayor or governor of a boarder city or state to AR I'd atleast start talking tough to try and prevent the flood of illegals coming to my area.[/quote]

It already costs them 10.5 bill. to accomidate them. I guess they can expect the cost to rise. What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;700763]By the way I was born here in the United Sates from parents born in Cuba and Colombia! It does not affect me directly but it does my family![/quote]

Are they not legal citizens and do they live in AR?

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[quote=SBXVII;700759]I stand corrected. I don't agree with it but I'll admit I was wrong.





Again I don't agree with it. If your a citizen then obviously these rights should apply to you, but how on earth should these rules apply to people who show up from another country uninvited and automatically receive same and equal treatment as citizens? I'm not refering to people who are allowed to come or stay and have green cards and are attempting to become citizens, I'm talking about the illegal that walks across the boarder today and automatically should receive these rights.[/quote]

So you're in favor of opening people up to legal abuse and discrimination? You would really want to open that can of worms?

I really don't care how someone gets here, they should be allowed the same basic protections that everyone else has.

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[quote=SBXVII;700767] What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.[/quote]

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;700763]By the way I was born here in the United Sates from parents born in Cuba and Colombia! It does not affect me directly but it does my family![/quote]

Totally understand. I'll apologize for my looking like a redneck idiot to you. lol. I honestly don't know what the answer is and I'm sure thats what the issue is with the feds. Better to put their heads in the sand and not see it then try to tackle it and piss off anyone.

I just don't see how its fair that we, you and I, being born here in America, have the same rights as the illegal who steps across the boarder two min. from now? I especially don't see how its fair that some individuals put their name on a list and actually wait the waiting period, which is like 10 yrs, and are allowed to come into the country legally have no different rights then the illegal who steps across the boarder illegally? What incentive is there to be a good immigrant and follow rules when the rules don't apply to everyone? I know many of legal immigrants who are pissed at the illegals.

On a side note do you care to share your oppinion or perhaps your parents oppinion?

Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law
 

[quote=SBXVII;700767]It already costs them 10.5 bill. to accomidate them. I guess they can expect the cost to rise. What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.[/quote]

Well illegals are costing the tax payers a little over 300 BILLION a year.

Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law
 

[quote=Rainy Parade;700775][B]i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.[/B]

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?[/quote]

I realize this is completely off topic, but are you pissed off that our federal dollars first paid to destroy Germany (firebombing Dresden anyone) and Japan(Hiroshima/firebombing Tokyo) and then paid to rebuild it(40 years of NATO subsidies/SEATO ) [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan"]how did those work out for the world and for us?[/URL]
Last I checked we do send a ton of federal money to each of the cities you mentioned, plus every other one in the country.

Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law
 

[quote=Rainy Parade;700775]i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?[/quote]

I'll second that. I know pulling out of Iraq would have caused us issues in the future. But if Iraq does not have money then they can find a way to pay us some other way. Hell when sanctions were put in place China and France continued trade for oil. I don't see why it would be a problem to be reimbursed in oil.