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[quote=Mattyk;755419]We've already covered this but here are just a few off the top of my head

Gruden - fired
Billick - fired
Ditka - fired
Seifert - fired
Landry - fired[/quote]

I will take the time to review the percentages in comparison to all SB played. You do however remind me of a couple that escaped my memory. Thanks for refreshing.

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Did anyone see the play in the second to the last redskins drive of the game, the skins come out of the huddle the camera pans to the sidelines and Kyle drops his arms and shruggs his shoulders. I'm not a lip reader but to me it looked like he said "what in the hell is he doing"! I think this is more telling than anything. Is Mcnabb out there doing his own thing. If there a problem between the staff and Mcnabb, I wonder if its with Kyle and not totally the old man. Any thoughts?

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/mike-shanahan-denies-that-dono.html#more]Redskins Insider - Mike Shanahan denies that Donovan McNabb's practice habits are a problem[/url]

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/donovan-mcnabb-im-just-ready-t.html#more]Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb says he and Mike Shanahan have met about benching, 'put it behind us'[/url]

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RT @redskinsblog: McNabb on percent chances that he's gonna be in Washington next year: "100%."

[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2010/11/2/1789436/donovan-mcnabb-benched-mike-shanahan-redskins-future]Donovan McNabb Says There's A '100 Percent Chance' He Will Be Redskins' Quarterback Next Season - SB Nation DC[/url]

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As much as a lot of people would probably like to see Donovan back next year, that decision will not be 100% his to make.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/02/randy-moss-donovan-mcnabb-mail/]Redskins have long-term concerns about Donovan McNabb - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;755497]RT @redskinsblog: McNabb on percent chances that he's gonna be in Washington next year: "100%."

[URL="http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2010/11/2/1789436/donovan-mcnabb-benched-mike-shanahan-redskins-future"]Donovan McNabb Says There's A '100 Percent Chance' He Will Be Redskins' Quarterback Next Season - SB Nation DC[/URL][/quote]


:httr:

Hope he's right.

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[quote=skinsfan69;755333]I saw that too. But he was a rookie then. You'd think he'd wouldn't have those same habits in his 11th year.[/quote]

Either that, or he's thinking "You know what I've had a pretty damn good 11 year career. Whatever my practice habits are they seem to be just fine"

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[quote=SmootSmack;755523]Either that, or he's thinking "You know what I've had a pretty damn good 11 year career. Whatever my practice habits are they seem to be just fine"[/quote]

True.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;754354]The O-Line was so pathetic it didnt matter who the QB was.[/quote]


...................this.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;755497]RT @redskinsblog: McNabb on percent chances that he's gonna be in Washington next year: "100%."

[URL="http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2010/11/2/1789436/donovan-mcnabb-benched-mike-shanahan-redskins-future"]Donovan McNabb Says There's A '100 Percent Chance' He Will Be Redskins' Quarterback Next Season - SB Nation DC[/URL][/quote]

Lets hope so, honestly I wouldn't mind keeping 5 for 2-3 more season and sign Russell, let him learn from McNabb

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[quote=Mattyk;755512][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/02/randy-moss-donovan-mcnabb-mail/"]Redskins have long-term concerns about Donovan McNabb - Peter King - SI.com[/URL][/quote]

King never says anything positive about Washington. As far as I'm concerned he can **** off.

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I thought King's take was pretty fair... did you actually read it?

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[quote=Mattyk;755539]I thought King's take was pretty fair... did you actually read it?[/quote]

LOL Yea but still he usually always talks down on us, shit we already know we were a joke before stop saying it every year.

BTW I saw McNabb's press conf today and he seemed ready to prove Shanny wrong, I think this will really fire him up.

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[quote=Mattyk;755477][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/donovan-mcnabb-im-just-ready-t.html#more]Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb says he and Mike Shanahan have met about benching, 'put it behind us'[/url][/quote]

There is a clear and present disconnect between McNabb and Shanahan. What happened at the end of Sunday's game was of such magnitude, it's not going to go away in a couple of days.

Listening to Donovan relate to the media is like pouring water over a duck's back. He's a savvy enough communicator that he'll always know how to deliver. He could despise Shanahan and you'd never know, that's one of the characteristics I admire in him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;755535]I wouldn't mind keeping 5 for 2-3 more season and sign Russell, let him learn from McNabb[/quote]Now there's a plan that most certainly will not fail.

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So tired of King, Tim Hassleback, Mort and everyone else that is starting to pile on McNabb. Who are their sources? I swear some of these guys make 80% up of the crap they say just to out do one another.

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[quote=Longtimefan;755544]There is a clear and present disconnect between McNabb and Shanahan. What happened at the end of Sunday's game was of such magnitude, it's not going to go away in a couple of days.

Listening to Donovan relate to the media is like pouring water over a duck's back. He's a savvy enough communicator that he'll always know how to deliver. He could despise Shanahan and you'd never know, that's one of the characteristics I admire in him.[/quote]

I gotta say I love the way the guy conducts himself. No question he's got a bright future in media. Now if he could just stop throwing dirt balls....

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[quote=GTripp0012;755558]Now there's a plan that most certainly will not fail.[/quote]

Cleverly disguised sarcasm here folks. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=SmootSmack;755329]Wouldn't it have been something if Grossman came in and tore it up, then maybe we would have had a controversy.[/quote]

I do remember that half season where Rex was the no. 1 fantasy qb in the NFL... if he could translate that half season over to us, that'd be Collins-like.

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[quote=skinsfan69;755574]So tired of King, Tim Hassleback, Mort and everyone else that is starting to pile on McNabb. Who are their sources? I swear some of these guys make 80% up of the crap they say just to out do one another.[/quote]


Probably JLC who essentially guaranteed that Al would be gone at least 3 times this year.

JLC should be fired for being a fraud.

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[quote=GTripp0012;755558]Now there's a plan that most certainly will not fail.[/quote]

:laughing2

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How can we expect McNabb to succeed under the circumstances?

In Philly he read from short to long, here from long to short. WITH THIS OFFENSIVE LINE?
Even when he has time to throw it, he never has space to step into the throw (even if Rabach isn't stepping on his foot!)
The fact that they don't call many intermediate routes I consider an epic fail under the circumstances, especially on 2nd and long. I'm tired of seeing either the attempt to win the lottery (bomb) or the screen pass where the ball arrives at the same time as the unblocked defender.

They've also asked him to change his throwing mechanics.

My old violin teacher always told me that if you don't like the mechanics of the way someone plays, but they get good results out of it, you DON'T change it.
Hopefully the Shanahans will let McNabb throw the ball his way. I wouldn't be surprised if the attempt to change his motion is part of the reason he is generating poorer results.

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Being an avid fan for 50 yrs, the Skins have too many issues besides the play of McNabb. Year in and year out, new coaches come in, new offensive coordinators come in, offensive linemen are still at a premium, and same wide receivers that either dont run good patterns or seldom get open. No matter who comes in, it all starts at the O-line--period. If there is no protection, not even P Manning can be effective. Any time a whole new system is put in place, historically it takes at least half a season just to become familiar with it and how many coaches and systems have the Skins gone thru the last 10 yrs? Until mgmt can find good OFF linemen, be creative with an offensive system, find receivers that can get open, they will continue to be a bad team. In simple terms, why was it that former GM Bobby Beathard always found good talent and nobody since can do that? That is another biggy because the Skins must bring in knowledgeable football people that can find talent instead of spending Danny's millions and think they can make a team from high priced, underachievers. The entire organization since Snyder took over has been a disgrace.

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[quote=floridabill50;755704]Being an avid fan for 50 yrs, the Skins have too many issues besides the play of McNabb. Year in and year out, new coaches come in, new offensive coordinators come in, offensive linemen are still at a premium, and same wide receivers that either dont run good patterns or seldom get open. No matter who comes in, it all starts at the O-line--period. If there is no protection, not even P Manning can be effective. Any time a whole new system is put in place, historically it takes at least half a season just to become familiar with it and how many coaches and systems have the Skins gone thru the last 10 yrs? Until mgmt can find good OFF linemen, be creative with an offensive system, find receivers that can get open, they will continue to be a bad team. In simple terms, why was it that former GM Bobby Beathard always found good talent and nobody since can do that? That is another biggy because the Skins must bring in knowledgeable football people that can find talent instead of spending Danny's millions and think they can make a team from high priced, underachievers. The entire organization since Snyder took over has been a disgrace.[/quote]

Welcome.

You'll find that there are a lot of people here that will agree with your sentiments. I think we're on the right track, because I see Shanahan as a good offensive line talent evaluator, and Bruce Allen has connections to make things happen. I think the Trent Williams pick was indicative of this.

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Who knows, look at McNabb through his career- when has he ever said the wrong thing?? He is overly PC and wont say what it is. Just like when they benched him in Philly for Kolb against Balto. and he watched and smiled as Kolb threw a pick 6 i think it was and stuck up the place. I also noticed when he wears his hat backwards all is well but forwards something is the bother. What a mess. Shanahan also wont be able to speak honest about his intentions.

Ohh, I wanted to add this link which if anyone saw during the game Kyle and McNabb not on the same page.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/what_was_kyle_shanahan_saying.html]D.C. Sports Bog - What was Kyle Shanahan saying on the sidelines?[/url]

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I noticed that during the game, wonder if he ran the wrong play, wrong formation, or what exactly.

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Looks like he is saying "whose that inside". As most the commenters said, he doesn't look particularly upset.

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Yeah probably nothing, in hindsight everyone is jumping over every little thing that went down that day.

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[quote=mike340;755695]How can we expect McNabb to succeed under the circumstances?

In Philly he read from short to long, here from long to short. WITH THIS OFFENSIVE LINE?
Even when he has time to throw it, he never has space to step into the throw (even if Rabach isn't stepping on his foot!)
The fact that they don't call many intermediate routes I consider an epic fail under the circumstances, especially on 2nd and long. I'm tired of seeing either the attempt to win the lottery (bomb) or the screen pass where the ball arrives at the same time as the unblocked defender.

They've also asked him to change his throwing mechanics.

My old violin teacher always told me that if you don't like the mechanics of the way someone plays, but they get good results out of it, you DON'T change it.
Hopefully the Shanahans will let McNabb throw the ball his way. I wouldn't be surprised if the attempt to change his motion is part of the reason he is generating poorer results.[/quote]

Your first paragraph sounds ever so famaliar, beginning to be a yearly tradition.

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You know what I hope is going on is this:

*this might be somewhat far fetched*

Maybe McNabb isn't exactly doing what he should. When Kyle Shanahan was getting uber-upset on the sidelines, i thought he was saying what play is that. It's been suggested by some "insiders" that McNabb isn't really doing what they want and making some bad decisions. While McNabb is an ultra-professional, maybe he is just doing his own thing a little bit and playing too loose.

Shanahan, instead of coming out and saying McNabb isn't running the plays we are calling and is making terrible decisions, comes up with a complete bull reason as to why he wasn't in there - the two-minute drill. This is so McNabb doesn't get discredited by the media, Shanahan takes all the heat for the decision, and it gives McNabb a golden opportunity to sharpen up with a BYE week without any media scrutiny.

This in turn makes it look like the exact opposite of what's going on: Shanahan is actually really protecting his QB and not throwing him under the bus and telling him get it right or you are out.

Otherwise, this is a cluster-****!

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I think Mike Shanahan was pissed about the INT and pulled McNabb but didn't want to admit to making a such a rash decision

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Well McNabb is trying to get used to being on the Redskins. So give him time. Time is all he needs.

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[quote=JPPT1974;756128]Well McNabb is trying to get used to being on the Redskins. So give him time. Time is all he needs.[/quote]

I agree with the Bears fan. I'm still trying to get used to it too! :D


The system is a total 180 from Reid's offense. He WILL settle in and still has the talent to succeed.

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I just saw where former Philly receiver Freddie "FredEx" Mitchell weighed in on the McNabb situation, saying that he agreed with Shanahan's decision.

Mitchell, another former eagles player who criticized McNabb's work ethic and practice habits while in Philadelphia, said that The eagles could have won the superbowl if McNabb wasn't so slow and lethargic directing the 2 minute offense in that game.

Here is a quote from the article:

[B]“I respect both Coach Reid and Coach Shanahan - they have two total different coaching theories. I can only wonder what would have happened in the Super Bowl if Reid stepped up and said, ‘You know what? You're playing like [expletive], you're benched.' I don't know many coaches that have the balls to do that,” Mitchell said. “He was playing like [expletive] and he should have been benched. … And don't say he doesn't have a record of this; he did the same thing in every single championship game.”[/B]

[url=http://www.csnphilly.com/11/04/10/Mitchell-Rips-Ex-teammate-McNabb/landing_word_street.html?blockID=345480&feedID=718]Mitchell Rips Ex-teammate McNabb[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;756211]I just saw where former Philly receiver Freddie "FredEx" Mitchell weighed in on the McNabb situation, saying that he agreed with Shanahan's decision.

Mitchell, another former eagles player who criticized McNabb's work ethic and practice habits while in Philadelphia, said that The eagles could have won the superbowl if McNabb wasn't so slow and lethargic directing the 2 minute offense in that game.

Here is a quote from the article:

[B]“I respect both Coach Reid and Coach Shanahan - they have two total different coaching theories. I can only wonder what would have happened in the Super Bowl if Reid stepped up and said, ‘You know what? You're playing like [expletive], you're benched.' I don't know many coaches that have the balls to do that,” Mitchell said. “He was playing like [expletive] and he should have been benched. … And don't say he doesn't have a record of this; he did the same thing in every single championship game.”[/B]

[url=http://www.csnphilly.com/11/04/10/Mitchell-Rips-Ex-teammate-McNabb/landing_word_street.html?blockID=345480&feedID=718]Mitchell Rips Ex-teammate McNabb[/url][/quote]

Interesting, perhaps my(and many others') perceptions of McNabb are just not accurate. That's two of his former teammates talking about him sucking in the SuperBowl.

....

Why did we trade for him again?:soapbox:

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Freddie Mitchell? Really? The 1st round bust? He wouldn't have sniffed the Super Bowl if not for McNabb

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[quote=SmootSmack;756231]Freddie Mitchell? Really? The 1st round bust? He wouldn't have sniffed the Super Bowl if not for McNabb[/quote]

Who is Freddie Mitchell?

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I thought this was a interesting parallel:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ex-NFL-QB-Jake-Plummer-is-playing-a-new-sport-th?urn=nfl-282499]Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]


The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating.

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4650/"][COLOR=#0069aa]Donovan McNabb[/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4650/news"][COLOR=#0069aa](notes)[/COLOR][/URL].

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway.

"He coached a team to almost perfection [with Elway] so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."