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[quote=SBXVII;775744]
I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same[/quote]

Accountability, I understand, but that does not mean treating everyone the same way....lets look at Redskins Superbowl winning teams.
Gibbs certainly did not treat his players the same way...he went way out of his way for problem children, such as riggins and manley and he let theisman run his mouth....all to make them feel important.
He could have just forced them all into 100% compliance but then Riggins would have never played, Theisman's mouth would literally explode from pressure build up and the Hogs would have never developed their pridefull subteam mentality.

Think back to Portis with Gibbs 2.0.
People say Gibbs ran him into the ground....
(I thought that was called maximizing talent :) )
Yes he did...and Portis was very effective AND very happy AND the Skins made the playoffs twice, with Brunell and Collins for heavens sake.
I can't think of a player that Gibbs came across that doesn't respect him.
He got them motivated because they WANTED to play for him...because he treated them Fairly AND as an individual.

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

With the Skins, it just seems that coaching "styles" go from one extreme to another which freaks out players. Not saying that a military style coach can't be effective...just saying that I think this style could leave a lot of unmotivated players

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Wow. Ok.

#1 - I think everyone pretty much knew the OL played horrid. I personally didn't think each one needed to step up to a microphone and mention their piss poor play caused McNabb to have bad games.

#2 - Did McNabb play well? No. Is it all his fault? No. I'll even defend McNabb for you... no one should expect a player to come in 4 months prior to the season starting an expect him to know the play book inside and out. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what McNabb can do with more time to learn the offense. But that most likely won't happen.

But those 2 reasons does not excuse McNabb for all his poorly thrown ball, lack of mobility, and lackadaisical 2 min drill.

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I think I missed the part where McNabb admitted his roll? Or lack there of.

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Interesting article about Shannahan. [url=http://blog.redskins.com/2011/01/06/reviewing-the-conventional-wisdom-on-mike-shanahans-drafts/]Reviewing The Conventional Wisdom On Mike Shanahan's Drafts[/url]

Here is how his offense would look with guy all under 30, and remember he had no 2009 draft.

•QB Jay Cutler
•RB Ryan Torain
•FB Peyton Hillis
•WR Brandon Marshall
•WR Eddie Royal
•WR Brandon Banks
•TE Tony Scheffler
•LT Ryan Clady
•C Kory Lichtensteiger
•RT Trent Williams

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[quote=skinsnut;775780]
Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

[/quote]


I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!

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For the OL, they should look at this local guy that played for Stanford and looked pretty good.

[url=http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/phillips_andrew00.html]Player Bio: Andrew Phillips - Stanford University's Official Athletic Site[/url]

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[quote=jsnyder03;775866]I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head![/quote]

I think where the difference in thought is some people expected more and got less, others don't like his "my way or the highway" mentality, and others feel you have to make exceptions to some players cause not all situations are alike.

keep in mind, first and formost, Snyder brought M.Shanahan in to be HC to not only coach the team but to instill discipline. Shanahan has even admitted that was part of the discussion between him and Snyder. So blame Shanahan all everyone wants but he was requested to do a job and is getting paid to do it. I'd think if Snyder had an issue with how his star players are being treated he would address it or fire Shanahan. I just think everyone is making a big deal about how certain players were handled during the season.

Remember when Caughlin was hired by the Giants? some players were grumbling, others accepted it. Look were it got them. Be on time to meetings or get fined. Practice hard or don't play on Sun. and anyone who doesn't like the program can leave.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;775847]Interesting article about Shannahan. [URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2011/01/06/reviewing-the-conventional-wisdom-on-mike-shanahans-drafts/"]Reviewing The Conventional Wisdom On Mike Shanahan's Drafts[/URL]

Here is how his offense would look with guy all under 30, and remember he had no 2009 draft.

•QB Jay Cutler
•RB Ryan Torain
•FB Peyton Hillis
•WR Brandon Marshall
•WR Eddie Royal
•WR Brandon Banks
•TE Tony Scheffler
•LT Ryan Clady
•C Kory Lichtensteiger
•RT Trent Williams[/quote]

Umm, I'll take this team. lol. I don't know about Lichtensteiger playing Center though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;775409]They played some of their best football against Jacksonville when Orakpo was not playing. Of course, I'm not saying they're a better team without Orakpo. But without him they were more unpredictable. I believe they need someone who can line up on the opposite side of Orakpo and inflict much of the same damage he can.[/quote]This was absolutely, 100% my takeaway from the season. Orakpo, in the current defense, may be more of a liability than an asset. But that's not the fault of Orakpo: he's one of the true young pass rushing studs in this league. We could pair him with a guy like Lamarr Woodley and have a much stronger pass rushing unit. Woodley will probably be franchised by the Steelers which means we're looking to the draft to find that guy.

It's just a lone defensive need. We'll need a free safety too at some point, but honestly, if we just wanted to stick Kareem Moore out there again and admit that the defense is a work in progress because Kareem Moore kind of sucks, I think that second pass rusher will go a lot further. Free safety can be addressed when we have more picks. Sure would like to have Nate Allen on this team right now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;776253]This was absolutely, 100% my takeaway from the season. Orakpo, in the current defense, may be more of a liability than an asset. But that's not the fault of Orakpo: he's one of the true young pass rushing studs in this league. We could pair him with a guy like Lamarr Woodley and have a much stronger pass rushing unit. Woodley will probably be franchised by the Steelers which means we're looking to the draft to find that guy.

It's just a lone defensive need. We'll need a free safety too at some point, but honestly, if we just wanted to stick Kareem Moore out there again and admit that the defense is a work in progress because Kareem Moore kind of sucks, I think that second pass rusher will go a lot further. Free safety can be addressed when we have more picks. Sure would like to have Nate Allen on this team right now.[/quote]

I agree. To me it's one reason I am not a fan of the 3-4 for this team. Orakpo's beastness is in pass-rushing...so it's what they do with him 99% of the time. It's super predictable. If we ran a base 4-3 with him at end at least then, theoretically, the predictability is negated somehow by the scheme. Not a big thing but unless we do get someone else like you say and then randomize their pass rushing we'll be predictable.

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Orakpo is playing his first year in a 3-4. Give him time to fully digest the system. While Orakpo only managed 1.5 sacks after the bye, it should be no surprise that that's about the same time that Landry went down. Add another rush linebacker and just imagine what could happen. Orakpo we'll be a star in this defense, if the front office will give Haslett enough time to develop it.

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Those who like Cam Newton in 2011 should have a look at this:
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/26996498]Cam X-rayed - CBSSports.com[/url]
Auburn coach Gene Chizik did not elaborate early Tuesday on what could be a significant injury to quarterback Cam Newton in Monday night's championship game

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[quote=44ever;777049]Those who like Cam Newton in 2011 should have a look at this:
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/26996498]Cam X-rayed - CBSSports.com[/url]
Auburn coach Gene Chizik did not elaborate early Tuesday on what could be a significant injury to quarterback Cam Newton in Monday night's championship game[/quote]

Good. One more reason for the Skins to think about NOT drafting him.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;773167]I'm a big Kellan Moore fan too. He's either going to be the next Drew Brees or the next Ty Detmer. It's almost impossible to forecast which one he'll be more akin to.[/quote]

He'll be good, believe me. He's very very smart. Supposedly he studies film like Peyton Manning. He studies Boise's play book so well that he not only knows what he's supposed to do, but were the FB is supposed to be, or which OLineman blocks which guy in which ever coverage for example.

The knock on him is a couple things.

1) He's short and frail. True, but he's the same height as Drew Brees and about the same weight.

2) He doesn't have a strong arm. False. I watched him throw a 60 + yard pass to Titus Young so accurate to where only Titus could catch it, and it was in perfect stride.

3) He doesn't have a quick delivery. I don't know about this one, some passes he'll float some in the air and you'll be like "Ohh that could have been picked" other passes he'll throw it like Ryan Mallet and you'll say "Damn that was a bullet"


I know a lot of people on this board is going to think I'm crazy or stupid for saying this, but if I were Shanahan, I wouldn't bother with a QB this year (unless Mallet falls to us, Locker is there in the second, or Luck just miraculously decides that he does want to go pro) and I would just draft other players of need. And in the 2012 draft, I would get Moore at whatever cost (unless we're in perfect position to get Luck, which I can't foresee happening.)

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I think if we take a QB, the 2nd round pick would probably be best used to vs the talent that will be there. I think Mallet is worth a look at 10...everyone else probably not. Mallet probably will be gone.

If there has every been a year to trade down out of the 10th, its this year.

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Andy Dalton

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[quote=Chico23231;777164]I think if we take a QB, the 2nd round pick would probably be best used to vs the talent that will be there. I think Mallet is worth a look at 10...everyone else probably not. Mallet probably will be gone.

If there has every been a year to trade down out of the 10th, its this year.[/quote]

There isn't really a QB worth a second round pick. Let's look at the facts, if a guy like Colt McCoy is going to fall to the third round then we can easily expect that next tier of Dalton, Devlin, and Ponder to be there as late as the fourth round.

I mean be honest, do you really expect to read a headline like this one day?

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/08/improbable-leader-vick-atop-pro-bowl-voting/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Improbable leader: Dalton atop Pro Bowl voting «[/url]

[url=http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/green-bay-packers-rodgers-williams-among-pro-bowl-snubs]Christian Ponder, Tramon Williams Among Pro Bowl Snubs | Cheesehead TV[/url]

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Well Michael Floyd won't be entering the draft and, Blackmon is expected to officially announce he's returning to Oklahoma State later today. So that's two WRs off the board

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[quote=SmootSmack;777301]Well Michael Floyd won't be entering the draft and, Blackmon is expected to officially announce he's returning to Oklahoma State later today. So that's two WRs off the board[/quote]

Leaving us with AJ Green (haha) or Johnathan Baldwin if we want to go the receiver route on draft day.

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Blackmon stays

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We won't be drafting a WR It appears

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[quote=Dirtbag359;777302]Leaving us with AJ Green (haha) or Johnathan Baldwin if we want to go the receiver route on draft day.[/quote]

Baldwin sounds like too much of a gamble & not a shanahan type guy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;777301]Well Michael Floyd won't be entering the draft and, Blackmon is expected to officially announce he's returning to Oklahoma State later today. So that's two WRs off the board[/quote]Not really a concern at no. 10 or anything, but Leonard Hankerson is a walking touchdown machine.

I'm on record saying we need to take AJ Green if he's there at no. 10, but given that he's incredibly unlikely to last that long, and that receivers (below Green) are likely to be horribly misvalued by the drafters, we may best be waiting until the third day to try to find a receiver with the downfield ability to fit what we want to do with our offense.

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Uhh the Redskins record of drafting first and second round wr's is not pretty over the last fifteen years.

Rod Gardner (Quite simply the dumbest player ever to put on a Redskins uniform)
Desmond Howard(Decent career on another freakin team)
Michael Westbrook(Punchy McBust)

Taylor Jacobs(The Ghost)
Devin Thomas(The most robotic man alive)
Malcolm Kelly(Mr. Glass)

Stay away from drafting WR's. It's like a franchise curse.

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[quote=wilsowilso;777408]Uhh the redskins record of drafting first and second round wr's is not pretty.

Rod Gardner (Quite simply the dumbest player ever to put on a Redskins uniform)
Desmond Howard(Decent career on another freakin team)
Michael Westbrook(Punchy McBust)

Taylor Jacobs(The Ghost)
Devin Thomas(The most robotic man alive)
Malcolm Kelly(Mr. Glass)

Stay away from drafting WR's. It's like a curse.[/quote]Certainly, the Redskins have been a primary contributor to the misvaluation of receiving skills over the years.

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[quote=freddyg12;777397]Baldwin sounds like too much of a gamble & not a shanahan type guy.[/quote]

From what I've seen the only time Shanahan cares about character is when it relates to football. Like when Haynesworth complains about the switch to the 3-4 or when McNabb won't change his mechanics even though he's responsible for a huge decrease in the worm population near Ashburn and Landover. Plus he can't be any worse then Brandon Marshall when it comes to character

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I think I mentioned it a few weeks back, but from what I had heard the Redskins don't (not now at least) plan on addressing their WR need through the draft. Not in the first couple of rounds at least

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[quote=freddyg12;777397]Baldwin sounds like too much of a gamble & not a shanahan type guy.[/quote]


hes gigantic, has great hands, and is a great route runner. Maybe the tremendous upside isn't there but I wouldn't describe him as a gamble.

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[quote=SmootSmack;777423]I think I mentioned it a few weeks back, but from what I had heard the Redskins don't (not now at least) plan on addressing their WR need through the draft. Not in the first couple of rounds at least[/quote]

Well that seems wise. The priorities for this team are QB, trenches, and free safety. Maybe ILB, but right now they have a bunch of cap room with young players like Tulloch and Rudd ready to hit free agency.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;777432]Well that seems wise. The priorities for this team are QB, trenches, and free safety. Maybe ILB, but right now they have a bunch of cap room with young players like Tulloch and Rudd ready to hit free agency.[/quote]

I think if the right qb is not there we go defense in the first two rounds. Von Miller would be a good pick at 10.

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[B]We will take Jake Locker, if he is there unless he totally screws up the combine.[/B]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;777419][B]From what I've seen the only time Shanahan cares about character is when it relates to football[/B]. Like when Haynesworth complains about the switch to the 3-4 or when McNabb won't change his mechanics even though he's responsible for a huge decrease in the worm population near Ashburn and Landover. Plus he can't be any worse then Brandon Marshall when it comes to character[/quote]

I agree, and I'm not that familiar w/Baldwin but it sounded like he would be an issue for coaches in that all too familiar diva wr way. Marshall is an interesting case, maybe Shan. didn't know much about him coming out of his small school in the 4th round. I don't think he would've tolerated Marshall's antics if both were still in Denver.

When D. thomas was cut, the wash pst. reported that Shanahan didn't like his bravado & bad practice habits. They said he preferred players that were quiet & don't draw attention to themselves. With that in mind & from what we've seen of Shan. so far, I don't see him taking a liking to Baldwin.

In short, "character" issues w/wide recivers so often manifest in football, many of them are me first & disruptive. From what I read seems Baldwin could become that guy.

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C) Wisniewski ( Penn ST. ) or C) Pouncey ( UF ) would be nice picks , maybe have to find a team that would want to trade up , as both should be around mid/late 1st Rd.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;777451][B]We will take Jake Locker, if he is there unless he totally screws up the combine.[/B][/quote]


He's not that impressive. That would be,IMHO, a wasted pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;777423]I think I mentioned it a few weeks back, but from what I had heard the Redskins don't (not now at least) plan on addressing their WR need through the draft. Not in the first couple of rounds at least[/quote]

And that's a wise move. We've got other areas to focus on besides WR.

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Mel Kiper's 1st Mock Draft is out, has us taking Cam at #10:

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft1.0]2011 NFL Mock Draft: Mel Kiper looks at what could be a wild first round - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=bigmarley4;778898]Mel Kiper's 1st Mock Draft is out, has us taking Cam at #10:

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft1.0]2011 NFL Mock Draft: Mel Kiper looks at what could be a wild first round - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Not all of us have insider

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[quote=rbanerjee23;778901]Not all of us have insider[/quote]

"Washington RedskinsRecord: 6-10* Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
A gifted athlete, Newton has good arm strength and size, has developing accuracy and continues to show that the more you ask him as a passer, the more he'll develop. This spot might be a bit high based on his current grade in the eyes of scouts, but Newton's skill-set is such that personnel people are going to become more enamored, if they already aren't. Newton has character questions that need to be answered, but the Redskins have a long-term need at this position and the prospect of developing Newton is a tantalizing one."

I feel like Cam Newton has bust written all over him.

Please pick Prince Amurakura from NE. He'll be our best CB since Champ.

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[quote=chrishanburgerHOF;778907]Please pick Prince Amurakura from NE. He'll be our best CB since Champ.[/quote]

Cowboys, Denver or SF will pick him before the Redskins have a chance.