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[quote=JoeRedskin;864889]As much as I want a QB with our 1st pick, I think it is counter-productive to plan on any particular person right now. After the season ends and we see where all the chips have landed, sure. Maybe to get Barkley we would have to sell the farm to move into position. Maybe we c.an get a franchise QB standing pat. Maybe someone offers us an incredible deal to move into our slot. A lot can happen between now and April. Shanallen did alright in the last two drafts, I think we can be patient and see what they turn up in this one.

With that said: I hope we get Barkley or Griffin.[/quote]

Sure.

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Hey I have no problem moving down and taking Morris Claiborne or Trent Richardson, but if I had a choice Barkley or RGII is my choice.

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Like I said, the more I watch Barkley play, the more confident I am that he is going to be a franchise record setting type of guy.

I might be in the minority on here saying this, but if we have to move UP to get him, I would do it. I would try to keep my second rounder, not sure if that is feasible, but everything else, as well as everyONE else is fair game. (Other than our LT). If no other option presents itself, then I would give our 2nd to move up in front of some qb hungry teams to snag Barkley.

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[quote=Mechanix544;864906]Like I said, the more I watch Barkley play, the more confident I am that he is going to be a franchise record setting type of guy.

I might be in the minority on here saying this, but if we have to move UP to get him, I would do it. I would try to keep my second rounder, not sure if that is feasible, but everything else, as well as everyONE else is fair game. (Other than our LT). If no other option presents itself, then I would give our 2nd to move up in front of some qb hungry teams to snag Barkley.[/quote]

That's what I've been saying, if we need to trade to get him pull the trigger.

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I feel like Barkley can have a Matt Ryan/ Sam Bradford impact in his rookie year, go from 4-5 wins to 8-9

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824ac855/article/nfl-team-executive-on-luck-detractors-theyre-just-bored?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: NFL team executive on Luck detractors: 'They're just bored'[/url]

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[quote=Mechanix544;864906]Like I said, the more I watch Barkley play, the more confident I am that he is going to be a franchise record setting type of guy.

I might be in the minority on here saying this, but if we have to move UP to get him, I would do it. [B]I would try to keep my second rounder, not sure if that is feasible,[/B] but everything else, as well as everyONE else is fair game. (Other than our LT). If no other option presents itself, then I would give our 2nd to move up in front of some qb hungry teams to snag Barkley.[/quote]

I think we could keep it based on the fact that we drafted 10th and the Jaguars drafted 16th, and we only got a 4th rounder. That was it. Know I know Barkley could go as high as 2 overall. So lets hope that we lose out and get the 6th overall pick, I feel like we'll trade it for the 2nd overall pick and trade our 3rd rounder and a future 3rd rounder. That'd be a fair view.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;864966]I think we could keep it based on the fact that we drafted 10th and the Jaguars drafted 16th, and we only got a 4th rounder. That was it. Know I know Barkley could go as high as 2 overall. So lets hope that we lose out and get the 6th overall pick, I feel like we'll trade it for the 2nd overall pick and trade our 3rd rounder and a future 3rd rounder. That'd be a fair view.[/quote]
The jags gave us a second rounder. To move up from say 10 to 2, would cost at least a 1st and a 2nd. Minimum. I mean this years first and next years first, plus a second.

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thing is, we could be a top 5 -8 pick if we continue to lose games, maybe higher. My dream scenario would be drafting Barkley with whatever 1st rounder we have, prolly 5th or 6th, and then drafting the STUD WR from North Carolina who is going to be a star, Dwight Jones. Solid picks, and instantly makes our offense loads better, especially with Helu turning it on in the backfield. I would be such a happy camper if we get those two, i think id explode.

The tape on Dwight Jones is ridiculous btw, I really dont know why he is rated as going in the 2nd round when he is clearly a first rounder, period.

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Mech, because teams don't really draft WRs in the first rd like they used to. Dwight Jones to me is a lot like Marcus Colston. I would love getting Barkley in the first Jones in the 2nd and Cliff Harris in the 3rd.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;864988]The jags gave us a second rounder. To move up from say 10 to 2, would cost at least a 1st and a 2nd. Minimum. I mean this years first and next years first, plus a second.[/quote]

We traded that second then and got an extra fourth I believe.

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Landry Jones will come back to school next year and he should, he's not ready for the NFL yet..

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[url=http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/03/rgiiis-heisman-stock-keeps-rising-in-win-over-texas/]RGIII’s Heisman stock keeps rising in win over Texas | CollegeFootballTalk[/url]

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I find Kirk Cousins an interesting prospect.

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RGIII or Matt Barkley will be a Redskin next year. (crosses fingers)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865076][url=http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/03/rgiiis-heisman-stock-keeps-rising-in-win-over-texas/]RGIII’s Heisman stock keeps rising in win over Texas | CollegeFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I don't know that much about Baylor. What kind of system do they run? We he be a decent fit here? It sounds like he played lights out this weekend though. 45 TD's this year? WOW.

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[quote=SkinzWin;865088]I don't know that much about Baylor. What kind of system do they run? We he be a decent fit here? It sounds like he played lights out this weekend though. 45 TD's this year? WOW.[/quote]

They run a spread similar to the old Texas Tech style difference is RGIII is way more accurate then Kingsbury etc. and has the rocket arm and pocket presence to make all the NFL throws while possessing top QB speed (I am guessing 4.4-4.6 range).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865074]Landry Jones will come back to school next year and he should, he's not ready for the NFL yet..[/quote]

Landry Jones sucks to me.

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[quote=Mechanix544;864906]Like I said, the more I watch Barkley play, the more confident I am that he is going to be a franchise record setting type of guy.

[B]I might be in the minority on here saying this, but if we have to move UP to get him, I would do it. [/B]I would try to keep my second rounder, not sure if that is feasible, but everything else, as well as everyONE else is fair game. (Other than our LT). If no other option presents itself, then I would give our 2nd to move up in front of some qb hungry teams to snag Barkley.[/quote]

I agree with you. I think I've seen enough of the college QB's to draw clear distinctions between them in my mind. What I think I see is two players, Luck and Barkley, who are ready to be very effective NFL starters.

To me, RGII stands alone as the third ranked prospect and the only other First Rounder. Only his relative lack of size bothers me a little.

I was high on Landry Jones but he has fallen into the category of "The Rest of Them", IMO.

I think that these QB's have no major red flags but need time to develop. They could all, in time, be good in the NFL under the right circumstances: Jones, Tannehill, Cousins. They're 2nd or 3rd round picks, IMO.

I really like these two but they have red flags: Moore (probably too small) and Weeden (too old at 28). Fourth round at best, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865103]I agree with you. I think I've seen enough of the college QB's to draw clear distinctions between them in my mind. What I think I see is two players, Luck and Barkley, who are ready to be very effective NFL starters.

To me, RGII stands alone as the third ranked prospect and the only other First Rounder. Only his relative lack of size bothers me a little.

I was high on Landry Jones but he has fallen into the category of "The Rest of Them", IMO.

I think that these QB's have no major red flags but need time to develop. They could all, in time, be good in the NFL under the right circumstances: Jones, Tannehill, Cousins. They're 2nd or 3rd round picks, IMO.

I really like these two but they have red flags: Moore (probably too small) and Weeden (too old at 28). Fourth round at best, IMO.[/quote]There's a lot of other guys in this class who would be first rounders in any other year, but if we can't get to the top of the draft for Luck, Barkley, or Griffin, I think the Redskins would be smart to leverage the strength of the QBs in the class and target their guy at the top of round 2. It's rare that you'll have your pick of franchise caliber quarterbacks in the second round, but that's the case this year.

I think Tannehill will be there, as will Cousins, Foles, Kellen Moore. Even if the Redskins only think one or two of those guys will turn into NFL starters, they can play the draft through trades and still get their guy.

I think you have to do anything reasonable to get Barkley/Griffin as long as they are on the board. But I think Seattle is in a better spot to go up for them and we may not pick ahead of Cleveland by the end of the year. If Cleveland gets Barkley and Seattle gets Griffin, then the Redskins should look at the four players above.

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Like I said if Barkley, Luck, and RGIII are off the board which could be the case, Tannenhill or Foles are my next options with Tannenhill getting the higher nod. If that does happen and when we pick Morris Claiborne or Trent Richardson are on the board we would be foolish to pass on one of them. Of course Trent will depend on what we do with Hightower and if Helu shows enough to make the FO comfortable with him as the feature back and even then I would still look at Richardson. (Think Panthers in 2008.) I know Shanny doesn't take RBs in the first round but Richardson is a different kind of animal.

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[quote=GTripp0012;865111][B]There's a lot of other guys in this class who would be first rounders in any other year, but if we can't get to the top of the draft for Luck, Barkley, or Griffin, I think the Redskins would be smart to leverage the strength of the QBs in the class and target their guy at the top of round 2.[/B] It's rare that you'll have your pick of franchise caliber quarterbacks in the second round, but that's the case this year.

I think Tannehill will be there, as will Cousins, Foles, Kellen Moore. Even if the Redskins only think one or two of those guys will turn into NFL starters, they can play the draft through trades and still get their guy.

I think you have to do anything reasonable to get Barkley/Griffin as long as they are on the board. But I think Seattle is in a better spot to go up for them and we may not pick ahead of Cleveland by the end of the year. If Cleveland gets Barkley and Seattle gets Griffin, then the Redskins should look at the four players above.[/quote]

That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865125]That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.[/quote]

The Redskins need a franchise QB they haven't had since Joey T., I would do whatever it takes to get Barkley since Luck will be gone. Other teams are interested in him as well, the skins need him badly.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865125]That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.[/quote]My only concern with Barkley is this: what if the same limitations that are causing many draft experts to rate Kellen Moore between the 5th round and undrafted as a prospect are being ignored in the assessment of Barkley? It's clear Barkley's been coached up at USC (if not overcoached), and he has almost magical footwork, but I get a completely different picture of Barkley when I analyze him in his losses vs. his wins.

The big question for Barkley comes if he gets drafted to a losing team that doesn't know how to develop a quarterback: if he struggles in year one, I'm not sure where you go from there. When you have a very undersized, polished NFL-ready passer, he has to come out and succeed right away or it's tough to have confidence in the guy.

I think Barkley can absolutely lead a team to the playoffs next year. He's got first overall type quarterback skills. My concern level for him would skyrocket if he came out early at USC and then got exposed in the NFL. I'm not sure how he would be able to overcome a talent deficiency.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865125]That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.[/quote]
RG3 just as good as Barkley if not better.

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[quote=Landry44;865365]RG3 just as good as Barkley if not better.[/quote]

The only way to find out is when they both make it to the pro's till then it's a mute point.

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[quote=GTripp0012;865130]
I think Barkley can absolutely lead a team to the playoffs next year. He's got first overall type quarterback skills. My concern level for him would skyrocket if he came out early at USC and then got exposed in the NFL. [B]I'm not sure how he would be able to overcome a talent deficiency.[/B][/quote]

Watching every one of his games for three seasons, I agree with you. Barkley will absolutely shine if he's got the talent around him. Earlier this season, his only consistent weapon was Robert Woods... Bark struggled when defenses figured out how to take everyone else away. Once the younger guys started getting it, you saw what happened to the entire offense.

Having said that, this may show that Matt has the fortitude to work through struggle. Even if he starts out badly, due to a dearth of talent, if the players grow around him... he'll start looking like a mini Aaron Rodgers.

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Looks like Weeden vs Luck in the Fiesta Bowl.

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As of tonight (and wildly subject to change) we have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule tiebreaker and with Indy, Minnesota and St. Louis ahead of us we shouldn't have an issue getting our QB. I highly doubt 2 teams (Cleveland & Seattle) both mortgaging their futures to draft QB. QB won't go 1-2-3 in the draft. With the puff puff brothers suspended for the year we will be lucky to sniff another win this year so 4-12/5-11 should keep us in the top 5-8 picks.

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[quote=Paintrain;865516]As of tonight (and wildly subject to change) we have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule tiebreaker and with Indy, Minnesota and St. Louis ahead of us we shouldn't have an issue getting our QB. I highly doubt 2 teams (Cleveland & Seattle) both mortgaging their futures to draft QB. QB won't go 1-2-3 in the draft. With the puff puff brothers suspended for the year we will be lucky to sniff another win this year so 4-12/5-11 should keep us in the top 5-8 picks.[/quote]

And if Minnesota wins 2 more games including the one against us I believe we would have the 3rd pick.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865518]And if Minnesota wins 2 more games including the one against us I believe we would have the 3rd pick.[/quote]

I believe you're going to be right/I hope your right. Then again, we must hope Barkley chooses to take the money and not stay another year on a team that could possibly be in the national championship and he could win the heisman, and he will be the number 1 overall pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865076][url=http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/03/rgiiis-heisman-stock-keeps-rising-in-win-over-texas/]RGIII’s Heisman stock keeps rising in win over Texas | CollegeFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Good read! I guess maybe our FO/coaching staff used their foresight to suck for the upcoming draft??!! ;)

If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865533]If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB[/quote]

True....but I really don't see that much difference between Luck and Barkley. Yes Luck is better ... But is it worth losing picks to get Luck when we can still get a great prospect like Barkley?? Hmmm. Well one thing is for sure this will be one of the most exciting offseasons the Redskin will have in a long time.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865533]If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB[/quote]

Indy didn't suck for Luck all season long to trade out of the #1 spot. We're not getting Luck.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;865581]Indy didn't suck for Luck all season long to trade out of the #1 spot. We're not getting Luck.[/quote]

Exactly, not gonna happen and really, I'm fine with that. I don't think the gap between Luck and Barkley is so significant that we're looking at a major dropoff. That being said, I want RGIII over Barkley. I think Barkley has the potential to be a good QB but RGIII has the potential to be special. He adds an element we've never had at the position and that's what I'm looking for.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865518]And if Minnesota wins 2 more games including the one against us I believe we would have the 3rd pick.[/quote]

NE- Loss
@ NYG- Loss
Minn at home- Winable game
@ Phili - Loss

I think we might win 1 more game. 5 wins for the season tops IMO. Our best O-lineman and our best recieving threat...gone.

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[quote=redsk1;865593]NE- Loss
@ NYG- Loss
Minn at home- Winable game
@ Phili - Loss

I think we might win 1 more game. 5 wins for the season tops IMO. Our best O-lineman and our best recieving threat...gone.[/quote]
Minny will show up against us.. They don't need a quarterback.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865533]If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB[/quote]

I don't see us drafting 3rd. I think we will lose all games with the exception of Minny going either way at this point, but I can see us winning if ALL DAY is out of the line-up still.

Right now there are 4 teams with a worse record, could be 5 if San Diego loses. And we have 5 other teams tied with our record. The chances we get a 3rd overall pick are very slim IMO. As I posted earlier, I think we are in the 5-7 range depending on tie breakers (4-6 if we lose out). We could still trade up, but I don't see it. As I'm sure Luck is going #1 overall, I think there is a chance Barkley or RGIII is still there in that window, but if not we can move up a spot or two to get him and not give up as much as moving to #1 overall. That's the smarter move to me.

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[quote=redsk1;865593]NE- Loss
@ NYG- Loss
Minn at home- Winable game
@ Phili - Loss

I think we might win 1 more game. 5 wins for the season tops IMO. Our best O-lineman and our best recieving threat...gone.[/quote]


I'll agree with you with a couple of them and disagree on the others...

NE- Loss
NYG- Loss
Minn- ? I could see the Skins winning.
Phili- ? they played horrible on Mon. I could see a win against Young.

I felt the Skins could beat the Jets and they almost did. Except for their failure in the 4th quarter.