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[quote=skinsfaninok;875630][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/01/13/fisher-rams/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp"]Jeff Fisher lured to coach Rams by Sam Bradford, offer of control - Peter King - SI.com[/URL]

"The Rams are also expected to add longtime Fisher friend Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator."

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So all those years Fischer worked in Tenn and not once did he think to fire his DC and bring GW... his long time friend?

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[quote=SBXVII;875636]So all those years Fischer worked in Tenn and not once did he think to fire his DC and bring GW... his long time friend?[/quote]

Um....drunk thread?

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Yeah huh?

GW [I]was[/I] his DC at one time in Ten and he left for the HC gig in Buffalo.

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Where GW ends up is irrelivent to us...the real issue is whether Shannys friendship with Fisher can give us the inside track on a trade for #2 or Bradford.

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Friendship is one thing....first round picks are another

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[quote=celts32;875657]Where GW ends up is irrelivent to us...the real issue is whether Shannys friendship with Fisher can give us the inside track on a trade for #2 or Bradford.[/quote]I don't think either is of real value to us. Obviously the Rams' asking price for the no. 2 pick is sky high now: they won't actually get a first, second, and third for four or seven spots to trade up.

But the Rams only have leverage if the Redskins are interested in that pick. Because the Browns are well positioned anyway. If the Browns want Griffin, they just have to beat best offer, they don't actually have to move (on some level here, I am suggesting that NFL teams will collude). It greatly complicates the ability of the Rams to trade the pick for above-market value if teams know they can't beat the Browns.

Basically, unless the Rams are actually willing to take Robert Griffin with the second overall pick, their only leverage comes from the Redskins interest in the pick (because it wouldn't make sense for the Rams to drop too much further down in the draft than sixth). If the Redskins want to go to 3rd overall to jump the Browns, the Rams aren't going to get a whole lot of serious offers for that pick.

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[quote=GTripp0012;875659]I don't think either is of real value to us. Obviously the Rams' asking price for the no. 2 pick is sky high now. [/quote]

Where are you getting this information from? We haven't even had the senior bowl yet. RG3 can get injured or bomb at the combine, there ia also free agency. The point is that there are still alot of variables that need to play out. The trade price of the second pick won't be determined until atleast a week or 2 before the draft.

Our picks are more valueable than say the dophins at this point, so our cost would be lower. All pick aren't valued equally.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825fb338/article/grimm-could-leave-cardinals-has-deep-ties-to-jaguars-mularkey?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Grimm could leave Cardinals, has deep ties to Jaguars' Mularkey[/url]

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Williams' defense broke down far too often today against an uninspiring Niners offense. Sure Smith had two great throws near the end of the game, but if the defense was better the two great throws = 14 pts would not change the outcome. Your offense just scored over 30 pts on one of the nastiest defenses in the in the league and yet you let the (questionably serious) Niners offense outscore you?

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Agreed that was a piss poor showing from the Saints D. The 9ers offense was down right impressive looking the second half. The two big drives at the end that gave them the lead. Smith's 20+ yrd run for the score and the strike to Davis for the game winner, those weren't flukes or just luck. They both were made to look effortless by Alex Smith and the execution of the plays called was superb. Really impressive performance by their whole squad.

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[quote=The Goat;875829]Williams' defense broke down far too often today against an uninspiring Niners offense. Sure Smith had two great throws near the end of the game, but if the defense was better the two great throws = 14 pts would not change the outcome. Your offense just scored over 30 pts on one of the nastiest defenses in the in the league and yet you let the (questionably serious) Niners offense outscore you?[/quote]

Gregg Williams has been an over rated DC, just like Jeff Fisher is as a coach. I'm glad he wasn't made coach of the Redskins.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875850]Gregg Williams has been an over rated DC, just like Jeff Fisher is as a coach. I'm glad he wasn't made coach of the Redskins.[/quote]

GW put together some great defenses here in DC. If we had a damn offense to go with it at any point during Gibbs 2.0 we may have went some where.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;875859]GW put together some great defenses here in DC. If we had a damn offense to go with it at any point during Gibbs 2.0 we may have went some where.[/quote]

Bend don't break, just like today and then it breaks. I want a Richie Petitbone type D , one that kicks ass.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;875859]GW put together some great defenses here in DC. If we had a damn offense to go with it at any point during Gibbs 2.0 we may have went some where.[/quote]

Those "great defenses" weren't that great. They would do good limiting the yardage, but if you needed a turnover or pressure, none were to be found. Also, those defenses would break when you needed them the most. Last minute drives by teams to win the game? It was all but in the bag for them against that "great" defense.

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Ok maybe they weren't "great" but if we had an offense behind them then maybe there would not have been a chance for a last minute drive to win the game. Meaning those D's were good to a point but when you only scored 19-15 points a game you could lose.

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[quote=Mattyk;875641]Yeah huh?

GW [I]was[/I] his DC at one time in Ten and he left for the HC gig in Buffalo.[/quote]

Ok so I forgot he worked with him once. My point still somewhat stands, he leaves Buffalo and did Fischer sign him? No. He left the Skins and did his ole buddy Fischer sign him? No. Now he's helping to coach a team that is a regular in the play offs. I just don't see GW throwing gig he's got now for a bottom feeder team.

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[quote=SBXVII;875894]Ok so I forgot he worked with him once. My point still somewhat stands, he leaves Buffalo and did Fischer sign him? No. He left the Skins and did his ole buddy Fischer sign him? No. Now he's helping to coach a team that is a regular in the play offs. I just don't see GW throwing gig he's got now for a bottom feeder team.[/quote]

Fisher and the rest of the Titans FO chose to stick with Jim Schwartz instead. Schwartz might have been on the hot seat in 2006, but Schwartz finished strong in 2007 and 2008.

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[quote=GTripp0012;875659]I don't think either is of real value to us. Obviously the Rams' asking price for the no. 2 pick is sky high now: they won't actually get a first, second, and third for four or seven spots to trade up.

But the Rams only have leverage if the Redskins are interested in that pick. Because the Browns are well positioned anyway. If the Browns want Griffin, they just have to beat best offer, they don't actually have to move (on some level here, I am suggesting that NFL teams will collude). It greatly complicates the ability of the Rams to trade the pick for above-market value if teams know they can't beat the Browns.

Basically, unless the Rams are actually willing to take Robert Griffin with the second overall pick, [B]their only leverage comes from the Redskins interest in the pick (because it wouldn't make sense for the Rams to drop too much further down in the draft than sixth).[/B] If the Redskins want to go to 3rd overall to jump the Browns, the Rams aren't going to get a whole lot of serious offers for that pick.[/quote]

I suspect you underestimate the market here. Yes, the Browns will be interested enough to try to match/beat the best offer the Rams get. However, in addition to the Redskins possible interest in moving up, why would the Dolphins be uninterested in moving up to get RG III?

Same with the Jaguars after Mularkey gets a look at a full season's worth of tape on Blaine Gabbert?

Why not the Broncos if Elway decides that Tebow is not the long term answer?

The Chiefs?

And as real long-shots why not the Cowboys or the Jets once they realize the cold light of day that their starting QBs are probably at or near their peak peformance levels right about now?

I suspect the Rams will have more than one team interested in the price of that #2 pick even if the Redskins choose not to play the game. Now the Rams may hold out for such an exorbitant price that they cannot move the pick, but that is different from not getting any offers.

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B Schottenheimer to the Rams

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Fisher will clear the whole staff right?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;876125]I suspect you underestimate the market here. Yes, the Browns will be interested enough to try to match/beat the best offer the Rams get. However, in addition to the Redskins possible interest in moving up, why would the Dolphins be uninterested in moving up to get RG III?

Same with the Jaguars after Mularkey gets a look at a full season's worth of tape on Blaine Gabbert?

Why not the Broncos if Elway decides that Tebow is not the long term answer?

The Chiefs?

And as real long-shots why not the Cowboys or the Jets once they realize the cold light of day that their starting QBs are probably at or near their peak peformance levels right about now?

I suspect the Rams will have more than one team interested in the price of that #2 pick even if the Redskins choose not to play the game. Now the Rams may hold out for such an exorbitant price that they cannot move the pick, but that is different from not getting any offers.[/quote]You could be right here, but if the Rams trade with any of those teams they are effectively removing themselves from the part of the draft where they can land an impact player at a need position. Having the Redskins pick keeps them positioned to do such a thing.

I think they have a considerable amount more leverage if they are willing to select Robert Griffin with the second overall pick, but if they don't have him graded as a top two player in the draft, I don't see how they can expect someone to pony up the market rate for their pick. They'll probably get stuck with it. The Browns aren't paying two first rounders to move up two spots, that's just not what the Browns will do.

Their only shot, it seems, would be to trade with the Redskins or Dolphins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876152]B Schottenheimer to the Rams[/quote]

Poor Bradford, he will be ruined like Sanchez.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;876195]Poor Bradford, he will be ruined like Sanchez.[/quote]

Not if we trade for him :)

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Gregg Williams joins Rams as DC

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7468433/new-orleans-saints-gregg-williams-reportedly-joins-jeff-fisher-st-louis-rams]New Orleans Saints' Gregg Williams reportedly joins Jeff Fisher with St. Louis Rams - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;876287]Gregg Williams joins Rams as DC

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7468433/new-orleans-saints-gregg-williams-reportedly-joins-jeff-fisher-st-louis-rams"]New Orleans Saints' Gregg Williams reportedly joins Jeff Fisher with St. Louis Rams - ESPN[/URL][/quote]


Yeah I came to post this also. Ok guys I'll eat my crow. Sorry I was wrong. Simple and sweet. :)

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[quote=celts32;875657]Where GW ends up is irrelivent to us...the real issue is whether Shannys friendship with Fisher can give us the inside track on a trade for #2 or Bradford.[/quote]

Where the friendship would help us is the two would have a more open line of communication. And in the end Fisher would be willing to let Shanahan match any offer he got rather then just going right head with any offer he deems best. However in terms of getting a discount it's not likely. The market will determine the cost.

However lets not forget that Fisher also has contacts in both Miami where he interviewed and Seattle where he shares the USC connection with Carroll, though given how Carroll left USC that might work against him. As it stands I'm feeling like Cleveland is only marginally interested in RGIII.


[quote=SFREDSKIN;876195]Poor Bradford, he will be ruined like Sanchez.[/quote]

Fisher probably liked how Schotty Jr had the Jets running the ball during his time in New York.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82611067/article/rams-to-introduce-fisher-on-tuesday-williams-joins-as-dc]NFL.com news: Rams to introduce Fisher on Tuesday; Williams joins as DC[/url]


[quote]League sources also told La Canfora that Gregg Williams has agreed to leave the New Orleans Saints and join the Rams as defensive coordinator.

Though the Rams haven't confirmed the hire, Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma tweeted "Gregg williams is a great coach, I wish him luck in st Louis."[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;876404][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82611067/article/rams-to-introduce-fisher-on-tuesday-williams-joins-as-dc]NFL.com news: Rams to introduce Fisher on Tuesday; Williams joins as DC[/url][/quote]

The Rams will be doomed unless Gregg Williams learns to double cover Vernon Davis.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8260fcf0/article/exbears-oc-martz-retiring-to-pursue-other-opportunities?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Ex-Bears OC Martz retiring to pursue other opportunities[/url]

Should have retired after St. Louis. He's been garbage ever since.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;876195]Poor Bradford, he will be ruined like Sanchez.[/quote]

Oh, he will be, he will be.

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[quote=NC_Skins;876408][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8260fcf0/article/exbears-oc-martz-retiring-to-pursue-other-opportunities?module=HP11_headline_stack"]NFL.com news: Ex-Bears OC Martz retiring to pursue other opportunities[/URL]

Should have retired after St. Louis. He's been garbage ever since.[/quote]


The Bears offense and Jay Cutler were pretty good this yr

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[quote=skinsfaninok;876415]The Bears offense and Jay Cutler were pretty good this yr[/quote]

They ranked 24th. :confused:

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[quote=NC_Skins;876416]They ranked 24th. :confused:[/quote]

Were they 24th when Cutler got hurt and they started playing Caleb Hanie, etc.?

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[quote=NC_Skins;876416]They ranked 24th. :confused:[/quote]


Well when JC and Forte were healthy they were really good.. Forte was a MVP candidate

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Looks like Shottenheimer will not be the OC for the Rams after all, heard Hue Jackson might be it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;876489]Looks like Shottenheimer will not be the OC for the Rams after all, heard Hue Jackson might be it.[/quote]

Schott's still the favorite but they're bringing in Jackson for an interview

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Caldwell returning to the Colts

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[quote=tryfuhl;876568]Caldwell returning to the Colts[/quote]

Not as head coach he's not

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Nope.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7471905/indianapolis-colts-fire-jim-caldwell-nfl-worst-2-14-season]Indianapolis Colts fire Jim Caldwell after NFL-worst 2-14 season - ESPN[/url]



Should have happened when he fired the Polians. No reason for him to keep his job after a 2-14 season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;876577]Nope.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7471905/indianapolis-colts-fire-jim-caldwell-nfl-worst-2-14-season]Indianapolis Colts fire Jim Caldwell after NFL-worst 2-14 season - ESPN[/url]



[B]Should have happened when he fired the Polians. No reason for him to keep his job after a 2-14 season.[/B][/quote]

Yeah this was an easy move back when Polian was fired, as it is now.