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[quote=tc2deuce;877122]RGIII is a game changer plus he brings excitement back to DC.[/quote]

I believe he is to. If we could look back with hindsight and say that Matt Flynn is to the Redskins what Trent Green was to the Chiefs then I would say it was all worth it.

I still would strongly prefer RGIII though even with the cost of picks to move up to acquire him.

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I hope Kiper is right.

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[quote=Mattyk;877108]Gotcha.

I just don't see how first rounders are any sort of guarantee.

There are plenty of notable busts that show otherwise.[/quote]

Mattyk, you're absolutely right. The Tim Couches, Ryan Leafs, Joey Harringtons and David Carrs, Matt Leinart, and maybe Vince Young to name a few have busted big time. But then there are others like Peyton Manning, Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers with each of these former 1st round selected QBs making it to the Super Bowl since 2004.

All QBs don't succeed and all of them don't bust either.

And here we are again, with two former 1st overall selections with Eli Manning and Alex Smith about to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl and there's a good chance Joe Flacco, another first round selection possibly making it to the Super Bowl also.

All I'm saying is from the 2004 season to the 2011 season(8 seasons), there will be a first round draft pick quarterback playing in the Super Bowl. Success comes from drafting a quarterback in the first round.

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Time to get testy.

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;877089]You cannot argue with data; you are absolutely correct.

Here is some more data you cannot argue with. Here are first round QB picks over the last decade or so who have been "less than satisfactory":
[INDENT]Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Duante Culpepper (injury ended his career early)
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey (fondly remembered around here...)
Byron Leftwich (not horrible but not great either)
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman (you already have a first round pick in town; why worry about getting another one)
JP Losman
Jason Campbell (Skins ditched that first round pick...)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn[/INDENT][/quote]

Here's another list. You can find data to support any argument. These are 1st Round QBs from the last decade or so who have been more than satisfactory.

Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Mike Vick
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Donovan McNabb
Jay Cutler
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Carson Palmer
Chad Pennington
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Josh Freeman


And then if we need even more data. We can go back a bit further and find some more stellar 1st Round QBs.

John Elway
Dan Marino
Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Terry Bradshaw
Doug Williams
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Jim Kelly
Jim Plunkett
Joe Namath
Len Dawson
Phil Simms
Roman Gabriel
John Brodie
Bob Griese
Earl Morrall
Bert Jones
YA Tittle
Archie Manning

Don't you love lists?

Re: The "list war" on this page.

The 1st round QB is a dangerous minefield, but it's a [I]relatively[/I] safer minefield than other "fields" such as FA or trade. The difference between success or bust with a first round QB comes down to scouting and evaluating the mental makeup of the prospect.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;877222]Re: The "list war" on this page.

The 1st round QB is a dangerous minefield, but it's a [I]relatively[/I] safer minefield than other "fields" such as FA or trade. The difference between success or bust with a first round QB comes down to scouting and evaluating the mental makeup of the prospect.[/quote]

I don't think most are opposed to taking a QB in the first round. It's the part about giving up 4 or more picks to move up that causes anxiety. Seems to be about a 50/50 proposition on picking the right guy.

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[quote=30gut;877105]My point was and remains that if Flynn is successful in this offense its gonna because of his physical skillset not because the schemes are 'very similar'.
Which was a point being made here:

Valuing schematic familiarity over skillset.

Here's what I said then in response to the above quote:[/quote]

I was pointing out that I don't fall in love with a guy's "gifts", such as Jeff George's arm or Kyle Boller's ability to throw a football 60 yards in the air from his knees. I also pointed out that Rivers throws like a girl and Brady looked like a dufus at the combine. Had nothing to do with putting more value on scheme.

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[quote=skinsguy;877101]Just a couple of thoughts:

Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowl rings: 3rd round draft pick, 82nd overall pick.
Tom Brady - 3 Super Bowl rings (and can possibly add a fourth) 6th round pick, #199.
Roger Staubach - 2 Super Bowl rings - 10th round draft pick
Bart Starr - 2 Super Bowl Rings - 17th round draft pick
Brett Favre - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 2nd Round pick
Joe Theismann - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 4th Round Pick

Of the six I mentioned, four have multiple Super Bowl rings. All have had multiple Super Bowl appearances. Of the ten multiple super bowl winning quarterbacks, four of them are not 1st round picks. And out of the four quarterbacks with the most super bowl wins (3 or more), two are on this list, the other two are first rounders.

Just another tidbit, of the three quarterbacks to have played in multiple Super Bowls and lose them all, two of them are first round picks (Jim Kelly and Craig Morton.)

While no doubt quarterbacks who are first round picks for the most part are first round picks because they're pretty doggone good. But, I think there are many aspects to a quarterback being developed into that great Championship quarterback other than just them being highly recognized coming out of college.

I think a lot also depends upon how much work that quarterback puts into making himself better after he turns pro - no matter if he's a first or a 7th round pick. So, I completely believe that there are quarterbacks that aren't highly regarded coming out of college, but can obviously work hard and move themselves into an elite status. And, it also has a lot to do with who those coaches are that is present during that development stage. I think it could come down to simply having the right coaches there and the guy who's willing to put 110% into improving himself. SO, I don't know if I would say you're virtually guaranteed a great quarterback in the first round.[/quote]

Good read, good post.

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Question, how many teams traded up for there 1st round QB or did the QB fall to them at their pick.

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[quote=44Deezel;877255]I was pointing out that I don't fall in love with a guy's "gifts"[/quote]I get the feeling you have no recollection of the coversation we had.
Because if you're only point was to state that you don't fall in love with a guy's 'gifts'.
Then you could have posted that as a stand alone statement and not in response to what I wrote:
[quote]I think you should care about their system and their talent because its the context in which Flynn is being evaluated.
If you're saying you like Flynn because of his physical skillset then by all means dismiss the context.
But, if you like Flynn because of his production you'd better play close attention to the system and the talent where he amassed that production.
Because rest assured you're signing/trading Flynn's physical skillset not his production.
And imo Flynn skillset suggest that he's more of the quintessential 'system' QB then he is a scheme diverse physically gifted QB.
And if you're signing a system QB you'd better be able to replicate the the pieces of that system (caoching/gameplanning/playcalling/talent (receiving corps/OL etc) if you want similar results. [/quote]

BTW-I don't "fall in love with a guy's 'gifts'" either

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;877303]Question, how many teams traded up for there 1st round QB or did the QB fall to them at their pick.[/quote]

Most of the time, I think the QB fell to them. In 2004, Eli Manning was the first selected by the Chargers. Phillip Rivers fell to the Giants. Big Ben, who I think was drafted somewhere between 9th and 11th, fell to the Steelers. In 2006, Matt Leinart was selected 10th overall by Arizona. Vince Young was drafted 7 selections before Leinart by the Titans. In 2007 there were only two quarterbacks selected in the first round(JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn) selected by the Raiders and Browns respectively. Only 2 quarterbacks were selected in the first round of the 2008 draft(Matt Ryan 3rd overall) and (Joe Flacco 18th overall).

The following year in 2009, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman were the only quarterbacks selected in round 1 of the draft. Each of them fell to the team that selected them with the Bucs trading back and still landing Freeman. In 2010, only Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow were the only quarterbacks who were first round draft choices. And the Rams took Bradford with the every first pick of the draft while Tebow fell to Denver.

Which leads me to the 2011 draft. Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were the only Quarterbacks taken in the first round. Of course, Newton was the very first draft choice taken. Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder all fell to the team's that drafted them with Gabbert landing to 10th which was the Redskins original draft slot in the first round before trading back in a deal with Jacksonville.

And onto the 2012 draft. With Landry Jones and Matt Barkley deciding to stay in school for their senior campaigns, only Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III will be drafted high in the first round. Tannehill, Weedon, and Foles could go in the first round, but that's doubtful. This is the only draft in recent years where a team will potentially [I]trade up[/I] to select a quarterback in the draft.

I thought the Broncos traded back into the first round with the Pats to get Tebow, b/c they thought the Bills or some other team was going to get him at the top of the 2nd round.

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And the Jets traded up for Sanchez. He didn't fall.

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[quote=theJBexperience;877166]Time to get testy.



Here's another list. You can find data to support any argument. These are 1st Round QBs from the last decade or so who have been more than satisfactory.

Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Mike Vick
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Donovan McNabb
Jay Cutler
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Carson Palmer
Chad Pennington
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Josh Freeman


And then if we need even more data. We can go back a bit further and find some more stellar 1st Round QBs.

John Elway
Dan Marino
Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Terry Bradshaw
Doug Williams
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Jim Kelly
Jim Plunkett
Joe Namath
Len Dawson
Phil Simms
Roman Gabriel
John Brodie
Bob Griese
Earl Morrall
Bert Jones
YA Tittle
Archie Manning

Don't you love lists?[/quote]


You missed the point of my previous listing of first round QBs who were "less than successful. A previous posting said that you had to go that way because that was the way to get a great QB - - and a great QB was a necessity for the Redskins.

My list was intended to show that when teams have taken QBs in the first round of the draft over the last decade or so, lots of them have been ordinary - - or even worse. The list intended to show that drafting a QB high in the first round did not always produce desired results.

I have tried to suggest to folks here that the important thing is for the FO and the coaching staff to focus on getting a QB who will be successful. You can do that through free agency (Drew Brees, Michael Vick, Trent Green, Kurt Warner and John Unitas) but you can also make bad choices in free agency (Jeff George and Steve Walsh for example)

You can trade for successful QBs (Matt Cassell and Philip Rivers) but you can also trade for unsuccessful ones (Donovan McNabb - - here and in Minnesota - -, Mark Brunell, Kevin Kolb).

And you can draft successful QBs in the first round ( at about a 50%^ success rate) or you can draft a gut-bomb in the first round.

The important thing to realize is that it is not the path by which a team acquires a QB that is important; it is the acumen and the insight provided by the scouts and the FO to the coaches that makes the acquisition successful.

OH, you got a bit carried away on your list. Roman Gabriel was hardly a highly successful QB in the NFL in terms of wins and losses...

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[quote=44Deezel;877254]I don't think most are opposed to taking a QB in the first round. It's the part about giving up 4 or more picks to move up that causes anxiety. Seems to be about a 50/50 proposition on picking the right guy.[/quote]

Where does four or more picks keep coming from? Only three picks involved to get the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers deal done a few years ago. I can't see it escalating that much to four or more.

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[quote=theJBexperience;877457]Where does four or more picks keep coming from? Only three picks involved to get the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers deal done a few years ago. I can't see it escalating that much to four or more.[/quote]

Carson Palmer - - a 32 year old QB who had retired rather than ever play for his previous team - - got a first and a conditional second just last year.

No one - - as in NOBODY - - thought of Palmer in the same terms that people have used to describe Andrew Luck. And now RG III shows up on the scene having won the Heismann Trophy over Luck.

The cost for either of those guys will be a minimum of three "choice draft picks". IF several teams get into a situation where they are bidding against each other for one of those guys in the draft positioning, then the cost could easily escalate to four picks or...

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks? Very possibly - - although not certainly.

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks PLUS two second round picks? Possible - - but I suspect not.

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[quote=theJBexperience;877457]Where does four or more picks keep coming from? Only three picks involved to get the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers deal done a few years ago. I can't see it escalating that much to four or more.[/quote]

I think you answered your own question when you said "years ago". But let's entertain the question, it's called supply and demand. Back then there might not have been too many teams wanting Rivers or Eli. Right now there are atleast 4 teams interested in either Luck or RGIII. Two teams in a position to take either and two who might be willing to move up to get them.
Colts
Browns
Redskins
Dolphins

That's just the first few I could think of who knows if whatever teams that are out there that might say we could use a franchise QB for the future.

Our competition for Flynn will mainly come from Miami and Seattle IMO. I think Cleveland takes RG3 no doubt

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;877456]You missed the point of my previous listing of first round QBs who were "less than successful. A previous posting said that you had to go that way because that was the way to get a great QB - - and a great QB was a necessity for the Redskins.

My list was intended to show that when teams have taken QBs in the first round of the draft over the last decade or so, lots of them have been ordinary - - or even worse. The list intended to show that drafting a QB high in the first round did not always produce desired results.

I have tried to suggest to folks here that the important thing is for the FO and the coaching staff to focus on getting a QB who will be successful. You can do that through free agency (Drew Brees, Michael Vick, Trent Green, Kurt Warner and John Unitas) but you can also make bad choices in free agency (Jeff George and Steve Walsh for example)

You can trade for successful QBs (Matt Cassell and Philip Rivers) but you can also trade for unsuccessful ones (Donovan McNabb - - here and in Minnesota - -, Mark Brunell, Kevin Kolb).

And you can draft successful QBs in the first round ( at about a 50%^ success rate) or you can draft a gut-bomb in the first round.

The important thing to realize is that it is not the path by which a team acquires a QB that is important; it is the acumen and the insight provided by the scouts and the FO to the coaches that makes the acquisition successful.

OH, you got a bit carried away on your list. Roman Gabriel was hardly a highly successful QB in the NFL in terms of wins and losses...[/quote]

Sorry, I missed the gist of it. You're right any time you deal in absolutes like that, you ask for trouble.

I disagree about Roman Gabriel. He was a league MVP, went to four Pro Bowls, led the league in passing, and is still the all-time passing leader for the Rams. His career record is 86-64-7, not exactly stellar, but he was a great QB, and the reason why all scouts covet size in QBs now.

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Well that's embarrassing, in my last post I had to go back and correct my stupid computers correction..... I wrote "think" and it corrected to "hunk". lol.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;877480]Our competition for Flynn will mainly come from Miami and Seattle IMO. I think Cleveland takes RG3 no doubt[/quote]

Now that Philbin is the HC in Miami, I suppose that the Dolphins would be the favorites for Flynn.

Then again, maybe not since Philbin would know Flynn's weaknesses as well as his strengths. If Miami, with Philbin, doesn't make a play for Flynn then I certainly wouldn't want the Skins to go after him.

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^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;877480]Our competition for Flynn will mainly come from Miami and Seattle IMO. I think Cleveland takes RG3 no doubt[/quote]

I personally don't want anymore FA quarterbacks. In the recent past Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell and Todd Collins only took us so far. I have a feeling that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan will surprise us and somehow, someway draft either Griffin III or Luck. How they'll pull this off, I have no idea though.

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[quote=SBXVII;877525]^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.[/quote]

And a good young Defense and loads of picks in the next 2 drafts and plenty of money to spend in Free Agency. I agree. 5 wins with a QB that turned the ball over about 25 times is a miracle.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;877459]Carson Palmer - - a 32 year old QB who had retired rather than ever play for his previous team - - got a first and a conditional second just last year.

No one - - as in NOBODY - - thought of Palmer in the same terms that people have used to describe Andrew Luck. And now RG III shows up on the scene having won the Heismann Trophy over Luck.

The cost for either of those guys will be a minimum of three "choice draft picks". IF several teams get into a situation where they are bidding against each other for one of those guys in the draft positioning, then the cost could easily escalate to four picks or...

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks? Very possibly - - although not certainly.

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks PLUS two second round picks? Possible - - but I suspect not.[/quote]

The thing abour the Palmer situation is that is says more about the Raiders and Bengals than it does about Palmer's trade value. The Raiders basically outbid themselves, and the Bengals had allowed far too much pride to get involved in the situation and were unwilling to listen to any reasonable trade proposals. Had it not been for the Raiders being the Raiders, the Bengals would have been stuck with Palmer and would have successfully cut off their nose to spite their face.

That being said, it's difficult to imagine that RGIII or Luck wouldn't command three choice picks, as you suggested.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;877490]Now that Philbin is the HC in Miami, I suppose that the Dolphins would be the favorites for Flynn.

Then again, maybe not since Philbin would know Flynn's weaknesses as well as his strengths. If Miami, with Philbin, doesn't make a play for Flynn then I certainly wouldn't want the Skins to go after him.[/quote]

I certainly agree with your assertion. Also, if Flynn is really good, Philbin will know that, and Miami will bid high. The only way Redskins land Flynn now is the possiblity that Flynn may not want to play for Philbin any longer--the idea of fresh start may have some appeal to Flynn.

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[quote=SBXVII;877525]^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.[/quote]

The only team that has worse luck with big name QB's then us is Miami. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out when Flynn goes there.

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I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.

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[quote=SmootSmack;878137]I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.[/quote]

If Flynn wants to have a shot at a successful NFL career, he'd be smart to go there.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;878137]I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.[/QUOTE]

Money talks

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I keep telling people that Matt Flynn is overrated. What is all the buzz about with this guy? He's a measly back up quarterback for one. A lowly 7th round draft selection. He's never been a starter like Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb, or Michael Vick. He's a back up quarterback that just happened to play well in two lousy games. To just look at those two games that he played well in and to miss the fact that he's been in bench warmer in all the other games is to not to properly evaluate him.

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If the coaching staff really thought highly of Matt Flynn, would they come out and say as much? Probably not.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;878315]I keep telling people that Matt Flynn is overrated. What is all the buzz about with this guy? He's a measly back up quarterback for one. A lowly 7th round draft selection. He's never been a starter like Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb, or Michael Vick. He's a back up quarterback that just happened to play well in two lousy games. To just look at those two games that he played well in and to miss the fact that he's been in bench warmer in all the other games is to not to properly evaluate him.[/quote]

It's not about each QB in their hay day or when they were drafted it's about at this moment. No he's not better then Palmer, Manning, or McNabb when they were drafted, but he's better then them right now. He's healthy which McNabb is not usually which is why I didn't want him. Palmer has not looked like himself after his ankle injury. Manning is not healthy and wouldn't probably start day one 2012. No one compares to Vick... cause his style is so much different. He's a Cam Newton or RGIII. They are more of a scramble first type of QB. Vick is changing though. But he has had trouble staying healthy a full season.

Then there is JC. I know what we had in JC and I was ready to move on. I'm not sure why but he stopped running for the 1st downs. He threw a lot of dirt balls like McNabb. He hardly looked down field to the open WR. He never moved in the pocket to buy himself time to let plays develope. I'm not sure Flynn will do it, but he did have a really good game against a really good team. It's not like he played some piss poor team and barely won.

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The reason Matt Flynn is such the popular choice for me is the fact he is a FA or supposed to be. The Packers can not tag him and trade him. If they tag him they are keeping him. So they have to make a decision. keep him or let him walk. If he makes it to FA, we don't have to give up draft picks to get him, we don't have to trade away players to get him. It's just throw money at him to get him to come to the Skins. Dump Grossman and Beck, bring him in at whatever cost, and draft whoever is the next best QB on the list that fits our system for developement. Someone to take over later. Because I'm betting Luck and RGIII will both be gone by #6 and I don't want the Skins to just toss picks away for one player.

Pick up one or two WR's in FA and draft a WR for developement. I like Banks but he's a preseason monster and it does not carry over to the regular season. He takes up one roster spot for one position for one good run every year. Austin has looked good preseason but otherwise is invisible.

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[quote=SBXVII;878386]The reason Matt Flynn is such the popular choice for me is the fact he is a FA or supposed to be. The Packers can not tag him and trade him. If they tag him they are keeping him. So they have to make a decision. keep him or let him walk. If he makes it to FA, we don't have to give up draft picks to get him, we don't have to trade away players to get him. It's just throw money at him to get him to come to the Skins. Dump Grossman and Beck, bring him in at whatever cost, and draft whoever is the next best QB on the list that fits our system for developement. Someone to take over later. Because I'm betting Luck and RGIII will both be gone by #6 and I don't want the Skins to just toss picks away for one player.

Pick up one or two WR's in FA and draft a WR for developement. I like Banks but he's a preseason monster and it does not carry over to the regular season. He takes up one roster spot for one position for one good run every year. Austin has looked good preseason but otherwise is invisible.[/quote]


And they could still draft a QB in the second or late first if they trade down. If it doesn't work out it will be far less devastating than if RGIII doesn't work out after giving up several picks for him. They'll at least have a fall back with the rookie, and will still have all their picks in tact to make a move for someone like Barkley the following year. Flynn doesn't need to be all world for the Skins to be contenders. Niners and Ravens proved that.

Everyone seems to be no one side or the other on Flynn. He either sucks or is going to be great. Is it the end of the world if he just turns out to be solid? A solid QB with a little improvement to the D and running game would be enough to make the Skins a threat. The Skins won 3 Super Bowls with good, not great, QBs.

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Matt Flynn – Flynn was a 7th round draft pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. He became hotly discussed after week 17 in 2011 when he started in place of Aaron Rodgers and went 31 for 44 for 480 yards and 6 TD’s (All now are new Green Bay Game records that are held by Flynn, not Starr, Favre or the aforementioned Rodgers.). At any rate Flynn has lined himself up for a big payday (Remember Matt Cassel in 2009 he signed a 6 year, $63 million contract with $28 million guaranteed, now think bigger than that). The simple signs point towards Flynn reuniting with his previous OC, now HC in Miami as a Dolphin. How do you keep him out of South Beach, “Show him the money” (If you think he is worth it with as little experience as he has, Im not necessarily sold on Flynn as a NFL Franchise Quarterback yet). I think Flynn flying south for the winter makes sense to me.

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^ I knew you were going to promote something...

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[quote=redsk1;878361]If the coaching staff really thought highly of Matt Flynn, would they come out and say as much? Probably not.[/quote]

I think you nailed it.

Would ping on Smoot for this but some team tried to trade for Flynn at the start of the 2011 season. I wouldn't be surprised if Skins were involved.

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[quote=Higskin;881357]I think you nailed it.

Would ping on Smoot for this but some team tried to trade for Flynn at the start of the 2011 season. I wouldn't be surprised if Skins were involved.[/quote]

Know we talked to the Broncos about Orton. Never heard anything about Flynn