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[quote=Paintrain;874206]Why would we pick him at 6? If he's our guy (which I hope he isn't) we could trade down into the teens or early 20's to get him. No point in reaching.[/quote]

With Miami and Seattle in the top 12, not sure we can go into the teens. Particularly with no Barkley or Jones. So much seems to depend on Flynn

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[quote=diehard;874188]Fred? Trent? Is that one of you guys?[/quote]

No, close..... but no. LOL> "I" think I'm just as important. lol. Even though now one else does.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874195]I just threw up[/quote]

Need a trash can?

:vomit:

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[quote=Paintrain;874206]Why would we pick him at 6? If he's our guy (which I hope he isn't) we could trade down into the teens or early 20's to get him. No point in reaching.[/quote]

There will be another QB that jumps into the top 10 range. There always is, unfortunately Ryan Tannehill is the only option as to who's going to make that jump.

My problem with Tannehill is his pocket presence, he essentially looks dumb. He's got the arm, body, strength, speed, accuracy to be a SOLID pro, but he forces himself into pressure way too often. I understand his supporting cast isn't very good aside from Fuller, but something's lacking with Tannehill that most top 10 QBs shouldn't be questioned about.

Foles on the other hand doesn't look as "dumb", but doesn't drop back and doesn't have nearly the same type of talent that Tannehill does.

Only quarterback I liked for us was Landry, and with that option gone there isn't a single QB in this draft outside of Kellen Moore that I would draft. Russell Wilson may be impressive, but an offense that runs twice for every pass and has an offensive line that averages more size than most NFL teams... Isn't exactly ideal when projecting an NFL QB who happens to be 5 foot 10.

Signing Flynn seems to be only legitimate option if we want to compete next year. The worst part about not choosing a QB is that unless we reach for Jeffrey, or draft TR3.... We'd be redundantly choosing another defensive player or OT that we don't need.

EDIT: Obviously I'm assuming that RG3 goes #4 to the Browns.

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Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874204]Yay! nothing makes me more excited then over-drafting a trouble-some drunk driving twice over idiot with my 6th pick. And then getting a system QB that is older than Aaron Rodgers, with 0 nfl experience!!!

You should be the new GM of the Colts![/quote]

Ok here's is why I did what I did....

some common reasoning....

Luck will be taken by the Colts.
RGIII taken by the Browns if nothing else.
Blackmon will probably be taken by the Rams to give Bradford a weapon.

So it was either take Tannehill at #6 which still is a possibility or hold off "IF" the Skins have already picked up a FA QB. So, I'm assuming the Skins push hard for a FA QB, one that knows the WCO system, one that has not already played and not faired well.... like Grossman and Beck, namely one that has shown promise and not been cut from a dozen teams, ie; Flynn or Hoyer.

Next I would figure the team would want to get another offensive weapon to go along side Hankerson and Davis. If Blackmon is gone I simply looked at the next best WR, the next one that was tall, ie; Floyed.
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_WR]2012_WR NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

The team could easily trade out to the teens and still probably pick up the WR to start or QB to challenge/develope.

So figuring the team takes a WR then I'd figure they would go QB in the second round. If they waited that long then clearly the other teams that need a QB would probably take Tannehill. Besides who knows if he is even the player MS/KS is interested in? So again if Luck, RGIII, and Tannehill are gone, then I started looking at who might be available in the second round. Miami might take a QB, KC might take a QB, not sure about Seattle, Arizona might, Dallas should (Romo sucks), Eagles might look for Vicks backup, the rest are pretty set at QB. So I again just figured the team would be of the mind set that they picked up a qualified QB in FA (yet again,lol) and they know they won't get one of the two top QB's then they might just pick up a young QB who will fit the system to develope....

Now, Weeden impressed me. He played well, managed the game well, made Luck look like a bumbling idiot, JK. But he seemed to make all the throws and put them where the WR could get them, didn't make risky throws like Grossman, and threw to the WR while the WR was in stride.

That is why I made those picks. It could go a ton of different ways...

Skins pick RGIII at #6
or
Skins move up to take RGIII.

then the 2nd round maybe they take a RT to protect the QB especially if they have picked up a #1 WR in FA.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874225]Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.[/quote]

I'd be thrilled. He's a winner, he's accurate, he's got every intangible you want, and he's got experience.

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[quote=SmootSmack;874211]With Miami and Seattle in the top 12, not sure we can go into the teens. Particularly with no Barkley or Jones. So much seems to depend on [B]Flynn[/B][/quote]

and people thought I was crazy. I think your right. or perhaps what the Skins do in FA. If they get Flynn I see the team taking a 2nd round or later QB, if they don't get Flynn then I can see them making a push for RGIII or just taking Tannehill at #6.

I see the same issue with the WR spot. Depending on what they are able to do in FA will depend on what the first two rounds will be for us.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874225]Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.[/quote]

I would be fine with drafting him after drafting someone like RG3 and I would all but beg for the team to draft him if they went with Tannehill. However drafting him as THE guy just seems like another Colt McCoy in Cleveland waiting to happen.

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[quote=SBXVII;874226]Ok here's is why I did what I did....

some common reasoning....

Luck will be taken by the Colts.
RGIII taken by the Browns if nothing else.
Blackmon will probably be taken by the Rams to give Bradford a weapon.

So it was either take Tannehill at #6 which still is a possibility or hold off "IF" the Skins have already picked up a FA QB. So, I'm assuming the Skins push hard for a FA QB, one that knows the WCO system, one that has not already played and not faired well.... like Grossman and Beck, namely one that has shown promise and not been cut from a dozen teams, ie; Flynn or Hoyer.

Next I would figure the team would want to get another offensive weapon to go along side Hankerson and Davis. If Blackmon is gone I simply looked at the next best WR, the next one that was tall, ie; Floyed.
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_WR]2012_WR NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

The team could easily trade out to the teens and still probably pick up the WR to start or QB to challenge/develope.

So figuring the team takes a WR then I'd figure they would go QB in the second round. If they waited that long then clearly the other teams that need a QB would probably take Tannehill. Besides who knows if he is even the player MS/KS is interested in? So again if Luck, RGIII, and Tannehill are gone, then I started looking at who might be available in the second round. Miami might take a QB, KC might take a QB, not sure about Seattle, Arizona might, Dallas should (Romo sucks), Eagles might look for Vicks backup, the rest are pretty set at QB. So I again just figured the team would be of the mind set that they picked up a qualified QB in FA (yet again,lol) and they know they won't get one of the two top QB's then they might just pick up a young QB who will fit the system to develope....

Now, Weeden impressed me. He played well, managed the game well, made Luck look like a bumbling idiot, JK. But he seemed to make all the throws and put them where the WR could get them, didn't make risky throws like Grossman, and threw to the WR while the WR was in stride.

That is why I made those picks. It could go a ton of different ways...

Skins pick RGIII at #6
or
Skins move up to take RGIII.

then the 2nd round maybe they take a RT to protect the QB especially if they have picked up a #1 WR in FA.[/quote]

Weeden is not the option for us, we'd be better off starting Brady Quinn.

There are some really good WRs who will be available in the second round, I'm hoping for Nick Toon, he's got the name also.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874225]Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.[/quote]

I think we have to wait until the Combine. People said the same thing about Andy Dalton, but in reality his arm was strong enough and has played well with out having to be sitting on the sideline becoming NFL ready as most people expected.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874232]I would be fine with drafting him after drafting someone like RG3 and I would all but beg for the team to draft him if they went with Tannehill. [B] However drafting him as THE guy just seems like another Colt McCoy in Cleveland waiting to happen.[/B][/quote]

Why because they're both small white QBs that don't have elite arm strength?
Moore and Colt are night and day based off their college days.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874233]Weeden is not the option for us, we'd be better off starting Brady Quinn.

There are some really good WRs who will be available in the second round, I'm hoping for Nick Toon, he's got the name also.[/quote]

and I'm ok with that. I'm just guessing the team will want to go QB and WR in the first two rounds. Depending on what they do in FA obviously will depend on what they do in the Draft. The problem is two really good QB's have decided to drop out which automatically moves the QB's below up a few notches. The team might not like having to draft one of those QB's so high but they might have to in order to get a more quality of play. Which I think goes back to what they do in FA, or it might not. Why not try to get Flynn and pick a 1st round QB... if RGIII is available then have them duke it out in preseason. Our QB position might become one of our strengths. or play the FA for the first few games and let the Rookie see how it is supposed to run with maybe throwing him in for a play or two here and there until he's ready to take over.

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[quote=SBXVII;874238]and I'm ok with that. I'm just guessing the team will want to go QB and WR in the first two rounds. Depending on what they do in FA obviously will depend on what they do in the Draft. The problem is two really good QB's have decided to drop out which automatically moves the QB's below up a few notches. The team might not like having to draft one of those QB's so high but they might have to in order to get a more quality of play. Which I think goes back to what they do in FA, or it might not. Why not try to get Flynn and pick a 1st round QB... if RGIII is available then have them duke it out in preseason. Our QB position might become one of our strengths. or play the FA for the first few games and let the Rookie see how it is supposed to run with maybe throwing him in for a play or two here and there until he's ready to take over.[/quote]

I feel like Shanahan will get Foles after working with him, has a lot of similarities of Jay Cutler.

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Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.

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[quote=SBXVII;874241]Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.[/quote]

Short answer: No

Long answer: Never

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874240]I feel like Shanahan will get Foles after working with him, has a lot of similarities of Jay Cutler.[/quote]

Eeeeee... Really?

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[quote=SBXVII;874241]Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.[/quote]

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I know it's way early and lots can happen but I think I'm gonna be pretty bummed if we don't trade up to get RGIII. The other guys-Tannehill, Foles, etc. are all just really flawed and don't scream 'franchise QB' rather scream 'drafting a QB again in 2015'.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874247]Eeeeee... Really?[/quote]

Cutler 6'3
Foles 6'5

Cutler strong arm
Foles Strong arm

cutler bad team his senior year, no bowl game
Foles bad team his senior year, no bowl game

Fairly mobile
Played in tough conferences

Cutler Junior and Senior Stats
147-241 10 TDs 5 Ints
273-462 21 TDs 9 Ints

Foles Junior and Senior Stats
286-426 20 TDs 10 Ints
387-560 28 TDs 14 Ints

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[quote=Paintrain;874252]I know it's way early and lots can happen but I think I'm gonna be pretty bummed if we don't trade up to get RGIII. The other guys-Tannehill, Foles, etc. are all just really flawed and don't scream 'franchise QB' rather scream 'drafting a QB again in 2015'.[/quote]

Same here. Unless they see a HUGE red flag on RG3, I just can't see how MS doesn't do this. I am sure there won't be much information out there about this, b/c MS is very tight-lipped.

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[quote=SBXVII;874241]Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.[/quote]

He couldn't lead a fly to dog shit. This is why people should watch college football.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874256]Cutler 6'3
Foles 6'5

[B]Cutler strong arm
Foles Strong arm[/B]

cutler bad team his senior year, no bowl game
Foles bad team his senior year, no bowl game

Fairly mobile
Played in tough conferences

Cutler Junior and Senior Stats
147-241 10 TDs 5 Ints
273-462 21 TDs 9 Ints

Foles Junior and Senior Stats
286-426 20 TDs 10 Ints
387-560 28 TDs 14 Ints[/quote]

No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.

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[quote=Lotus;874274]No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.[/quote]

Maybe Scouts Inc isn't always right but I can't imagine that if they're wrong that the amount of arm strength wouldn't fall too far from the elite category.

[B]Release/Arm Strength - 1 -[/B] Possesses a compact ¾ release. Flashes ability to change release point if necessary. [B][I]Prototypical arm strength and can make all the necessary NFL throw as well as drive the ball down the field vertically.[/I][/B]

The real knock is the mental part of his game.

[B]Mental Makeup - 3 -[/B] [B][I]"Comes from a majority spread offense[/I][/B] although does take snaps from under center in pro-style sets. A one tempo quarterback that is very effective when pre-snap read is right and first option come available. [B][I]Decision making becomes inconsistent when having to get to 2nd or 3rd option, though[/I][/B]. Displays a good feel for game situations, however, poise is just average and shows some panic when protection breaks down. Lacks the necessary anticipation at this point and needs to see WR come open which can cause him to be late with throws. Flashes the toughness to sit in and make throw when knowing he's going to get hit.

1 = Exceptional 2 = Above Average 3 = Average 4 = Below Average 5 = Marginal

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[quote=IrMitchell;874237]Why because they're both small white QBs that don't have elite arm strength?
Moore and Colt are night and day based off their college days.[/quote]

That is so insensitive. Moore is of British descent while McCoy is clearly Irish. I shall be reporting you to the hire ups for blatant racism and recommend you take sensitivity training :D


But yeah besides that it's basically the gist. Keep in mind though there are people holding out hope that McCoy's career is following the same trajectory of a certain storied QB that goes by the name of Drew Brees (who is Dutch, thank you very much).

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874256]Cutler 6'3
Foles 6'5

Cutler strong arm
Foles Strong arm

cutler bad team his senior year, no bowl game
Foles bad team his senior year, no bowl game

Fairly mobile
Played in tough conferences

Cutler Junior and Senior Stats
147-241 10 TDs 5 Ints
273-462 21 TDs 9 Ints

Foles Junior and Senior Stats
286-426 20 TDs 10 Ints
387-560 28 TDs 14 Ints[/quote]

Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874292]Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.[/quote]

Based on what I've heard Cutlers arm is the elite of the elite. Knocking down any QB for not being as strong arm strength wise is like comparing a pitcher with a 103 mph fastball to one that regularly can throw up to a 100 mph and discounting the latter.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;874272]He couldn't lead a fly to dog shit. This is why people should watch college football.[/quote]

exactly. LSU's qbs are garbage this year and will not be successful nfl players imo.

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[quote=Lotus;874274]No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.[/quote]

Umm read NFL scouts analysis on him, the majority say he has a strong arm. There definitely isn't scouts that say he has a weak arm.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874292]Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.[/quote]

Doesn't mean his arm strength isn't good enough or he won't succeed.

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[quote=Big C;874295]exactly. LSU's qbs are garbage this year and will not be successful nfl players imo.[/quote]

I tell you what done imagine this. You done be walking round with 2 ton ankle weights and then you done be one day in late April be finally lowed ta take dem weights off. Dats what many SEC QB's done experience when they go from facing SEC defenses to NFL defenses.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874289]That is so insensitive. Moore is of British descent while McCoy is clearly Irish. I shall be reporting you to the hire ups for blatant racism and recommend you take sensitivity training :D

But yeah besides that it's basically the gist. Keep in mind though there are people holding out hope that McCoy's career is following the same trajectory of a certain storied QB that goes by the name of Drew Brees (who is Dutch, thank you very much).[/quote]
McCoy ran the option*** against big 12 defenses..
Moore ran for negative yards every year he played for Boise..

Just based off that, there can be NO comparisons made between these two quarterbacks.

Oh and that connection between Brees and McCoy is just painful to hear about.. No realism behind it.

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[quote=redsk1;874297]Doesn't mean his arm strength isn't good enough or he won't succeed.[/quote]

But it does mean that comparing him to Cutler is a little bit crazy.

There's going to be a big arm in every draft, it's not right to draw comparisons to the elite arms in the NFL each year.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874294]Based on what I've heard Cutlers arm is the elite of the elite. Knocking down any QB for not being as strong arm strength wise is like comparing a pitcher with a 103 mph fastball to one that regularly can throw up to a 100 mph and discounting the latter.[/quote]

I was simply suggesting that comparing Foles to Cutler is crazy and wrong.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874304]McCoy ran the option*** against big 12 defenses..
Moore ran for negative yards every year he played for Boise..

Just based off that, there can be NO comparisons made between these two quarterbacks.

[B]Oh and that connection between Brees and McCoy is just painful to hear about.. No realism behind it.[/B][/quote]

Hey I'm just the messenger on that one. It's the battle cry for McCoy apologist everywhere.

Still the real base of the comparison between McCoy and Moore comes from this. Both were/are described as the following[LIST][*]Undersized[*]Hard working[*]Average arm strength if that[*]Extremely accurate[*]Great head for the game[*]Leaders[*]Winners, [*]Above Average Mobility[/LIST]
The only real difference between the two is one played at an established program in a spread-option offense while the other raised the profile of his school and played in a hybrid West Coast Offense. And it's no guarantee when it comes to how Moore is going to turn out as a pro but make no mistake the comparisons on how they look as prospects are valid.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874313]Hey I'm just the messenger on that one. It's the battle cry for McCoy apologist everywhere.

Still the real base of the comparison between McCoy and Moore comes from this. Both were/are described as the following[LIST][*]Undersized[*]Average arm strength if that[*]Extremely accurate[*]Above Average Mobility[/LIST]
The only real difference between the two is one played at an established program in a spread-option offense while the other raised the profile of his school and played in a hybrid West Coast Offense. And it's no guarantee when it comes to how Moore is going to turn out as a pro but make no mistake the comparisons on how they look as prospects are valid.[/quote]
Any QB that won a large amount of games in their college careers are going to be hard working, have a great head for the game, winners, and leaders.

They're both undersized, they both played for big time schools (Boise won the fiesta bowl two years before Kellen joined the Broncos), they're both extremely accurate with average arm strength, and it ends there.

*I'm not arguing with you, I'm just stating my case for why the people who like to tie these two together are just looking at their size and arm.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874322]Any QB that won a large amount of games in their college careers are going to be hard working, have a great head for the game, winners, and leaders.

They're both undersized, they both played for big time schools (Boise won the fiesta bowl two years before Kellen joined the Broncos), they're both extremely accurate with average arm strength, and it ends there.

[B]*I'm not arguing with you, I'm just stating my case for why the people who like to tie these two together are just looking at their size and arm[/B].[/quote]

Thats a big part of it, but for me it's also the mystique that seems to come about when they're described by the media, at least in regards to them as pre-draft prospects.

Ironically enough I still want Moore but as I alluded to before only in a Matt Flynn sort of capacity where you draft an overlooked but talented guy as a fail safe for your earlier QB prospect. If anything you can possibly trade him down the line for a draft pick and turn a 5th or 6th round selection into a 2nd or 3rd round pick with proper coaching and enough flashes to entice other QB hungry teams.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874323]Thats a big part of it, but for me it's also the mystique that seems to come about when they're described by the media, at least in regards to them as pre-draft prospects.

Ironically enough I still want Moore but as I alluded to before only in a Matt Flynn sort of capacity where you draft an overlooked but talented guy as a fail safe for your earlier QB prospect. If anything you can possibly trade him down the line for a draft pick and turn a 5th or 6th round selection into a 2nd or 3rd round pick with proper coaching and enough flashes to entice other QB hungry teams.[/quote]

Only quarterback I want that will warrant his draft position is Moore. If he was 6'4, he'd be a top 5 pick. Yes i just said that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874225]Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.[/quote]

If this happens I'm unplugging the internet. He's Colt Brennan 2.0 and I can't take the Mob of Moore whining at every snap.

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[quote=IrMitchell;874310]I was simply suggesting that comparing Foles to Cutler is crazy and wrong.[/quote]

Agreed.

No one here is suggesting that Foles does not have the arm to make it in the NFL. But to compare him with Cutler, who undeniably has a cannon, is unrealistic.