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[quote=Paintrain;873899]One of the comparisons for RGIII that is most suited to him is Drew Brees. Same stature, similar arm strength and pocket presence. Don't fall into the lazy comparisons of Mike Vick and a smaller Cam Newton based on his athleticism and other 'obvious' comparables. In the pros he will be more of a Brees/Rodgers type meaning using his legs to extend plays vs. a tuck and run QB.[/quote]

I don't see Drew Brees' style when I watch RGIII play but, to me, Russell Wilson is practically a clone of Brees' playing style.

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All you RGIII Haters out on this board are hilarious. You act like every play he is going run the ball. He will be coached up, one of the great things about him as a prospect IMO is that he is highly intelligent and from a military family (coachable). Shanny & son will teach him how to move in the pocket, buy time. My hope is that he becomes a something like a 2010-11 Vick or a faster version of a Steve Young . Runs when needed but focused on passing. His throwing motion is better then both Cam and Tebow comming out.

I literally don't know how any one can say they don't want rg3 after having what we had a QB the last 5 years

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[quote=SmootSmack;873985]Remind me to add "confusing 'digress' and 'regress'" to what grinds my gears thread[/quote]

I'll do that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873985]Remind me to add "confusing 'digress' and 'regress'" to what grinds my gears thread[/quote]

Lol, English be hard.

As for Sam Bradford's 'digression', he was besieged by injuries, was in an offense ill suited to his strengths and has no weapons until Brandon Lloyd came about via trade.

Casserly had an interesting scenario for Manning.. Manning to the Cards, Kolb gets cut. How would that affect the QB field this offseason and where does he slot in general (not Redskin specific)? I think he goes to the top of the list above Flynn and Hoyer, slightly ahead of Orton in terms of veteran QB.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;873992]All you RGIII Haters out on this board are hilarious. You act like every play he is going run the ball. He will be coached up, one of the great things about him as a prospect IMO is that he is highly intelligent and from a military family (coachable). Shanny & son will teach him how to move in the pocket, buy time. My hope is that he becomes a something like a 2010-11 Vick or a faster version of a Steve Young . Runs when needed but focused on passing. His throwing motion is better then both Cam and Tebow comming out.[/quote]

I think there's a lot of 'lumping' that goes on with RGIII, putting him in the same sentence as Vick, Young, Newton, McNabb, Culpepper... see where I'm going? He is going to make his hay in the NFL with his head and his arm, not with his legs. Those are a bonus but his passing is what is making him a consideration for a top 3 pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;873996]I literally don't know how any one can say they don't want rg3 after having what we had a QB the last 5 years[/quote]

I'd take RGIII in a heart beat, I just don't really want the Skins to throw next years first and probably this yrs 2nd rounder just to swap spots.

So I've figured he will be gone by the time the Skins can pick. By the way what makes everyone think the team is interested in or even looking at RGIII. Maybe MS is looking at some other QB? Yet you will be all upset if he takes someone "he's" interested in.

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[quote=Paintrain;874000]Lol, English be hard.

As for Sam Bradford's 'digression', he was besieged by injuries, was in an offense ill suited to his strengths and has no weapons until Brandon Lloyd came about via trade.

Casserly had an interesting scenario for Manning.. Manning to the Cards, Kolb gets cut. How would that affect the QB field this offseason and where does he slot in general (not Redskin specific)? I think he goes to the top of the list above Flynn and Hoyer, slightly ahead of Orton in terms of veteran QB.[/quote]


IDK, I really didn't think too much of Kolb and his bad year with the Cards didnt help him. I think he's just going to be a glorified backup maybe another Grossman or close to it. I'd pass on him and take either Flynn or the backup for N.E. then go for a QB in the draft for development and future.

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[quote=SBXVII;874014]IDK, I really didn't think too much of Kolb and his bad year with the Cards didnt help him. I think he's just going to be a glorified backup maybe another Grossman or close to it. I'd pass on him and take either Flynn or the backup for N.E. then go for a QB in the draft for development and future.[/quote]
There's a reason I said in general, not Redskins specific.. I personally don't care for him, thought he sucked in Philly but his availability on the market may impact decisions that other teams make and affect us also.

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[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/report_colts_owner_will_never_trade_peyton_manning/9207196]Report: Colts Owner Will Never Trade Peyton Manning[/url]

[QUOTE]Irsay doesn’t plan on ever trading Manning. Instead his decision to either keep or release him will depend on Manning’s health in March and it’s a decision they’ll make together.
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Its the off season so that means I usually go into the hibernation til the draft and then go back into hibernation till pre-season. But I'm going to try to stick around this year. :)

I'm a frequent of the bleacher report, mostly for their list of cool things, but I came across this article. Just wondering how you all felt about it.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1011354-the-washington-redskins-should-trade-roy-helu-to-get-a-franchise-qb]The Washington Redskins Should Trade Roy Helu to Get a Franchise QB | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;874093]Its the off season so that means I usually go into the hibernation til the draft and then go back into hibernation till pre-season. But I'm going to try to stick around this year. :)

I'm a frequent of the bleacher report, mostly for their list of cool things, but I came across this article. Just wondering how you all felt about it.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1011354-the-washington-redskins-should-trade-roy-helu-to-get-a-franchise-qb]The Washington Redskins Should Trade Roy Helu to Get a Franchise QB | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Bleacher Report is pretty much like the Onion in my opinion.

That said, I'd be willing to move Helu in pursuit of a high caliber QB. (via Draft)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;873996]I literally don't know how any one can say they don't want rg3 after having what we had a QB the last 5 years[/quote]

^^^^^This is one of the most cogent and analytical postings of the year!

The Redskins have not had a competent QB - - let alone a better than average one - - for about a decade now. RG3 may indeed turn out to be a bust when all is said and done but the odds are that he will be no worse than any of the QBs that the Redskins have trotted out on the field for the last ten years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;873996]I literally don't know how any one can say they don't want rg3 after having what we had a QB the last 5 years[/quote]

this.

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and as for the Helu thing... as much as I like him and see a tremendous upside and future..... I trust in Shanahan and the way the line played at the end of the year to be content with Royster, Hightower, and a young late round GEM.

indeed, if it means getting a franchise qb, i guess I'm for it. even tho i love the kid.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-clayton-predicts-redskins-will-trade-up-draft-robert-griffin-iii/2012/01/05/gIQABHztcP_blog.html]John Clayton predicts Redskins will trade up, draft Robert Griffin III - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

“How about Washington” Cerrato interrupted.

“Ah, they’ll trade with St. Louis and get RGIII,” Clayton answered.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;874101]^^^^^This is one of the most cogent and analytical postings of the year!

The Redskins have not had a competent QB - - let alone a better than average one - - for about a decade now. RG3 may indeed turn out to be a bust when all is said and done but the odds are that he will be no worse than any of the QBs that the Redskins have trotted out on the field for the last ten years.[/quote]

He couldn't be a real bust. A guy like him even if he has the passing ability of Tebow has the legs and agility to at least be exciting to some degree. Can we even comprehend what "exciting" could possibly mean when it comes to our QB? I can't.

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He said Helu was worth both a 2nd and a 4th, i can't believe that is the case. I mean i could be wrong but i doubt he would be worth that much.

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[quote=FRPLG;874112]He couldn't be a real bust. A guy like him even if he has the passing ability of Tebow has the legs and agility to at least be exciting to some degree.[/quote]


Many a college player has had a hard time adjusting to the speed and complexity of the pro game.....Heath Shueller , Matt Leinart,Rynn Leaf...etc.(sp)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;874093]Its the off season so that means I usually go into the hibernation til the draft and then go back into hibernation till pre-season. But I'm going to try to stick around this year. :)

I'm a frequent of the bleacher report, mostly for their list of cool things, but I came across this article. Just wondering how you all felt about it.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1011354-the-washington-redskins-should-trade-roy-helu-to-get-a-franchise-qb]The Washington Redskins Should Trade Roy Helu to Get a Franchise QB | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

I love Helu, but if we trade him and don't re-sign Hightower then RB becomes a need again.

Helu
2012 3rd rounder
2013 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots, worth it?

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Helu isn't going to be traded for a 2nd and a 4th, that's for sure. That's not even possible in Madden.

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Seems like the only possible criticism of Helu at this point is his proneness to injury, but only time will really tell. That said every year I think teams will be more careful about drafting RBs really high and/or signing to big contracts in general. Look at Mark Ingram this year and you can see how risky RBs are.

Helu could turn out to be Mike's best pick in the '11 draft but he's not going to warrant a 2nd round pick.

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i'd really rather not trade him i think he and royster and hightower area very formidable 3 and i have faith in the o-line and mike.

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[quote=Mattyk;874129]Helu isn't going to be traded for a 2nd and a 4th, that's for sure. That's not even possible in Madden.[/quote]

You obviously didn't fufill his full potential in franchise mode.

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[quote=irish;873942]What I'm saying is when you look at the playoff QBs they are pocket passers who can move a bit to avoid the rush. RGIII is a mover who is a semi-accurate passer and that doesnt work in the NFL.[/quote]

What exactly tells you that RGIII doesn't have the accuracy to be a big time NFL QB?

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[quote=irish;873942]What I'm saying is when you look at the playoff QBs they are pocket passers who can move a bit to avoid the rush. RGIII is a mover who is a semi-accurate passer and that doesnt work in the NFL.[/quote]

I disagree.....

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[quote=Mattyk;874129]Helu isn't going to be traded for a 2nd and a 4th, that's for sure. That's not even possible in Madden.[/quote]

Correct, Helu has proven to be an excelent back, but runningbacks in general just don't have that kind of value anymore.

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....The Skins should trade for Tebow.

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Gak.....trading Helu would be stupid.
He's definitely a building block we should keep.

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[quote=Giantone;874148]....The Skins should trade for Tebow.[/quote]

I'd rather have Tebow than Manning.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;874150]I'd rather have Tebow than Manning.[/quote]



.....me too, I would rather you have Tebow then Manning also.:spank:

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[quote=Giantone;874151].....me too, I would rather you have Tebow then Manning also.:spank:[/quote]
I would rather have a Tebow, then a young Manning.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;874153]I would rather have a Tebow, then a young Manning.[/quote]

Are we talking like 11 year old Tebow over 11 year old Manning?

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[quote=SmootSmack;874154]Are we talking like 11 year old Tebow over 11 year old Manning?[/quote]

He was never specific with which Manning he was referring to. I assumed it was in reference to one of Peyton Manning's newborn children. In which case, I'd rather have Tebow under center over the young Manning, as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;874154]Are we talking like 11 year old Tebow over 11 year old Manning?[/quote]

What if it was Tebow vs. college era Cooper Manning? I'd rather have Tebow too.

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Robert Griffin III stats the last four years

TD Passes - 78
INT's - 17

......with a completion percentage of 67.2%, and lets not forget he doesnt really have any all world receivers on that squad................. Just imagine that guy rolling out on bootlegs for the burgandy and gold, and zipping passes to a sober Fred Davis......imagne him pulling it down, and sprinting past the slow OLB that is shadowing him.

He is plenty accurate. Plenty enough for our squad, who has been absolutely laughable the last decade at the position. Finally, we are in a position where it is feasible to go up and get "THE GUY", but people want to roll with, and pardon me while I gag, Matt 7th round phenom Flynn, or another season of turnover machine Rex Grossman? I don't even want Grossman as a backup, I dont want any youngsters on the squad maybe picking up his horrid tendancies. Lets do what it takes to get RG3 in here, and see where it goes.

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While I'm not really sold on RGIII it wouldnt really bother me if the Skins took him if he's still available when the Skins pick comes around. What would really drive me nuts is if the Skins trade picks to move up and take him.

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I watched the Baylor TCU game early in the season, at that point I had heard nothing about Griffin so I thought it was an amazing but flukey performance. One of the things I remember taking away from that though was how accurate Griffin was on his deep balls. Hitting receivers in stride 40 yards down the field.

As the season went on I saw him throwing many beautiful down the field passes. I would say and his unreal athleticism are his strong points.

Personally as Luck is pretty much already in a Colts Uni RGIII is the player I want more than any other and I would even support packaging picks (goes against every instinct I have) and or players to move up to get him.

It is past time the Redskins have a Quarterback who is a difference maker.

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griffin has been a beast since the day he set foot on baylor's campus. the only reason no one that wasnt a hardcore college football fan had heard of him until this year was because he went to baylor, who was the equivalent of duke football. they received no media attention whatsoever.

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[quote=Mechanix544;874168]Robert Griffin III stats the last four years

TD Passes - 78
INT's - 17

......with a completion percentage of 67.2%, and lets not forget he doesnt really have any all world receivers on that squad................. Just imagine that guy rolling out on bootlegs for the burgandy and gold, and zipping passes to a sober Fred Davis......imagne him pulling it down, and sprinting past the slow OLB that is shadowing him.

He is plenty accurate. Plenty enough for our squad, who has been absolutely laughable the last decade at the position. Finally, we are in a position where it is feasible to go up and get "THE GUY", but people want to roll with, and pardon me while I gag, Matt 7th round phenom Flynn, or another season of turnover machine Rex Grossman? I don't even want Grossman as a backup, I dont want any youngsters on the squad maybe picking up his horrid tendancies. Lets do what it takes to get RG3 in here, and see where it goes.[/quote]

The key here is the Rams. They're in the best position. Who's going to offer them the most compensation to move up to the #2 spot? I have a feeling that we're not alone in wanting the Rams spot. I just hope we don't reach and give up too much if we go in that direction. QB's can be found in the 2nd round. My major concern is the people picking the QB.

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[quote=Mattyk;874129]Helu isn't going to be traded for a 2nd and a 4th, that's for sure. That's not even possible in Madden.[/quote]

The reality is that there are about 15-18 "Roy Helu" type backs in the NFL. It probably speaks more to how pathetic and slow our skill position players have been that we are wowed by his play. A fair comparison would be an in his prime Jerious Norwood. Would anyone here give up 2nd and 4th round picks for Norwood? Exactly.