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[quote=skinsguy;889507]What if the 'skins sign RGIII and he gets hurt in preseason?[/quote]

Then were screwed but so are 31 other teams if their starter gets hurt in preseason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;889508]Sorry I meant Manning and one of these guys...and then next year (ode to Dirtbag) we get a Barkley, Jones, Wilson, etc?[/quote]

I think were about out of "next years" to push this QB issue off to. This will be the 3rd straight year we did that. And if Manning actually gives us a decent season we will have no shot at Barkley. We think trading up from #6 is expensive...when we are picking in the teens or 20's it will be impossible.

It's not Shanny/Allens fault since they more or less just got here, but i have been a Redskins fan for 35+ years and they have not had a franchise QB for about 30 of them. I am done with it. Manning being an all-timer clouds the water...but I always get back to thinking that this horrible QB cycle needs to end and it needs to end for longer then 2 or 3 years.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;889522]Maybe the best argument I've heard to trade up for RG3 is that: if we don't the Eagles might.[/quote]

or the Cowboys...but you didn't hear that from me (you heard it from Matty, are we clear?)

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;889529]or the Cowboys...but you didn't hear that from me (you heard it from Matty, are we clear?)[/quote]

Clear as day. Smootsmack told me that the Cowboys are trading up for RGIII and the Redskins are signing Julius Pepers.

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[quote=GreekSkin;889488][B]It seems your more enamored with this whole combine talk than those that want us to trade up for him lol[/B]. His awesome showing comes from him dispelling any doubts about his physical ability and build. Along with a commanding presence when talking to the media.[/quote]

Yep thats it. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

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[quote=GTripp0012;889522]Maybe the best argument I've heard to trade up for RG3 is that: if we don't the Eagles might.[/quote]

Ha ha....

[url=http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/philadelphia_eagles_drafting_andrew_luck_or_robert_griffin_iii_dont_be_shocked/10136311]Philadelphia Eagles Drafting Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III? Don’t Be Shocked | Yardbarker.com[/url]

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=SBXVII;889535]Yep thats it. Thanks for pointing it out to me.[/quote]

All I'm saying is that the hype RGIII is getting doesnt simply stem from a strong showing at the combine. It's deserved.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;889509]Hard to disagree that Tannehill isn't worth the sixth pick if you can watch one practice and tell he's not ready to play.

Someone's going to be the third best quarterback in this draft though. If it's not Tannehill that's worth the sixth pick, it will be someone else.[/quote]

would you rather take the best corner, wide reciever or tackle in the draft or the 3rd best QB in the draft at 6th?

My opinion of how close the QB are 1. Luck..............2.RG3...............................................................................................................................................................................................3.Tannehill.

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[quote=Chico23231;889545]would you rather take the best corner, wide reciever or tackle in the draft or the 3rd best QB in the draft at 6th?

My opinion of how close the QB are 1. Luck..............2.RG3...............................................................................................................................................................................................3.Tannehill.[/quote]


Just to be clear do the periods represent skips or jumps?

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[quote=Chico23231;889545]would you rather take the best corner, wide reciever or tackle in the draft or the 3rd best QB in the draft at 6th?

My opinion of how close the QB are 1. Luck..............2.RG3...............................................................................................................................................................................................3.Tannehill.[/quote]

I might take the best corner (Claiborne)

Don't think the best receiver (Blackmon? Floyd?) is better than the 3rd best QB

The best T (Kalil) won't be available at 6th. Unless you're saying the Redskins sign Manning and trade up to 2. Then shock the world by drafting Matt Kalil

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I'm with SmootSmack on this. Corner isn't the need those offensive positions are, but Claiborne is a better player than everyone in the draft except Luck and Richardson.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=Chico23231;889545]would you rather take the best corner, wide reciever or tackle in the draft or the 3rd best QB in the draft at 6th?

My opinion of how close the QB are 1. Luck..............2.RG3...............................................................................................................................................................................................3.Tannehill.[/quote]

I think that the gap between RGIII and Tannehill is not as big as you make it out to be.

Dallas loves romo they aren't moving him

Some are saying the price will be at least 2 first a 3rd and a 5? Wow idk about all that , this team needs more than one player, I'd rather sign Manning and draft a qb like tannehill

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[quote=skinsfaninok;889553]Some are saying the price will be at least 2 first a 3rd and a 5? Wow idk about all that , this team needs more than one player, I'd rather sign Manning and draft a qb like tannehill[/quote]

Maybe that's a poll question? Would you rather

A) Sign Peyton Manning (Without full assurance he's healthy)
B) Trade multiple picks including two 1sts for RG3

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[quote=Chico23231;889545]would you rather take the best corner, wide reciever or tackle in the draft or the 3rd best QB in the draft at 6th?

My opinion of how close the QB are 1. Luck..............2.RG3...............................................................................................................................................................................................3.Tannehill.[/quote]

And to me everytime I hear this I think you could be way off. I guess Brady being drafted so far back would be a couple of pages of..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Seriously no matter their individual physical skills I could see even Weeden, Tannehill, or Cousins having a better year then Luck or RGIII based off of possibly their teams OL protection or WR play or if their team has no run game. That's if all were to start.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=mredskins;889514]is Webb available?[/quote]
I thought I heard him as a FA, but he was drafted in 2010, so I guess he isn't. Sorry bout that

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

DMac5 knows all, says that Manning will not be a Redskin.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120227_mcnabb_peytons_not_gonna_go_to_the_redskins]McNabb: 'Peyton's not gonna go' to the Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

I don't think the price for RGIII will be as high as the current rumors. It's all head games at the moment.......

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[quote=Lotus;889560]DMac5 knows all, says that Manning will not be a Redskin.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120227_mcnabb_peytons_not_gonna_go_to_the_redskins]McNabb: 'Peyton's not gonna go' to the Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

lol - for some reason, mcnabb thinks brining in peyton would be simliar to our bringin in him.

what mcnabb fails to grasp is that he is not (and never was) in the same league as manning - both in terms of on-field abilities and work ethic.

mcnabb didnt work out here because he had nothing left in the tank, was lazy stubborn, and did not practice well. THATS why 3 teams have dumped him in the past year. Its also why not one of the 31 other teams put a waiver claim on him when minnesota released him. the more mcnabb talks, the more he ruins his image and any sense of legacy he wanted to leave behind.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

Idk what to think RG3 is definatley the best. I am now wanting us to do the best we can to get him.

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How is the gap between RG3 and Tannehil not that big like some people are saying if RG3 is a day 1 starter and Tennehil needs to sit a year or 2? that is quite a difference to me

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=Lotus;889549]I think that the gap between RGIII and Tannehill is not as big as you make it out to be.[/quote]

your saying you start Tannehill day one then?

I dont see it. I saw Tanny play 3 or 4 games this season. I was never impressed. I dont think he is better than Foles. but hey its just an opinion.

I think you can start RG3 and obviously Luck.

Id take Blackmon over Tanny at 6

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;889565]mcnabb didnt work out here because he had nothing left in the tank, was lazy stubborn, and did not practice well. THATS why 3 teams have dumped him in the past year. Its also why not one of the 31 other teams put a waiver claim on him when minnesota released him[/quote]


Not only that, but there were multiple teams with waiver requests for Kyle Orton, but not a single one (playoff bound QB needy teams) bothered to give McNugget a second thought. Guy is a lazy bum. He really does need to GTFO.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;889569]How is the gap between RG3 and Tannehil not that big like some people are saying if RG3 is a day 1 starter and Tennehil needs to sit a year or 2? that is quite a difference to me[/quote]

Better arm strength, better accuracy, more experience at QB, and even better athleticism. The only real advantage Tannehill has is height and a slightly less risky style of play as well as recent experience in a pro style offense.

People have to realize there is a huge difference in both raw talent and intangibles between Luck/Griffin and the rest of the class. This isn't like last year where Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, and Dalton were all similar in terms of talent and intangibles.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=Lotus;889560]DMac5 knows all, says that Manning will not be a Redskin.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120227_mcnabb_peytons_not_gonna_go_to_the_redskins"]McNabb: 'Peyton's not gonna go' to the Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

I actually agree w/his logic, it would take quite a change to fit PM in to the existing O or to change the O to his strengths.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;889508]Sorry I meant Manning and one of these guys...and then next year (ode to Dirtbag) we get a Barkley, Jones, Wilson, etc?[/quote]

Theres no way we get a draft Pick next year high enough to select Matt Barkley or even Landry jones

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=WaldSkins;889579]Theres no way we get a draft Pick next year high enough to select Matt Barkley or even Landry jones[/quote]

We'll be high enough to pick Jones. Tyler Wilson is probably the guy thats going to shoot up draft boards. Of course the team with the number 1 pick is going to be bombarded with questions about weather Barkley's arm is strong enough to make all the throws in the NFL and if he'll be another USC QB that either completely bust or ends up a flash in the pan.

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If we have Manning or RG3/Luck next season we won't have a high draft pick

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[quote=skinsfaninok;889582]If we have Manning or RG3/Luck next season we won't have a high draft pick[/quote]

That's the hope

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[quote=Dirtbag59;889574]Better arm strength, better accuracy, more experience at QB, and even better athleticism. The only real advantage Tannehill has is height and a slightly less risky style of play as well as recent experience in a pro style offense.

People have to realize there is a huge difference in both raw talent and intangibles between Luck/Griffin and the rest of the class. This isn't like last year where Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, and Dalton were all similar in terms of talent and intangibles.[/quote]

I agree completely. Theres a reason a team will be able to get Tannehill much later than RG3. I dont want to settle on him, he would have to sit and develop im really hoping we pull the trigger and to move up to get RG3

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;889584]I agree completely. Theres a reason a team will be able to get Tannehill much later than RG3. I dont want to settle on him, he would have to sit and develop im really hoping we pull the trigger and to move up to get RG3[/quote]

I would give Tannehill the nod in overall pocket presence, and footwork as well. Furthermore his experience in an NFL style offense have given him more practice in going through progressions.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;889569]How is the gap between RG3 and Tannehil not that big like some people are saying if RG3 is a day 1 starter and Tennehil needs to sit a year or 2? that is quite a difference to me[/quote]

IMHO there is a gap between RGIII and Tannehill but it is not as large as some make it to be.

Ideally Tannehill would sit and learn for awhile. But, if need be, he could start year one. Not only does he have experience in a pro style offense, the offense that he has been running at A&M is pretty similar to ours. In this sense, his learning curve will be smaller than RGIII's. RGIII's offense was dissimilar to ours and did not require him to make advanced reads to boot.

I think Tannehill will be a very good NFL QB. Not with the skillset of RGIII of course but a good one nonetheless.

In these ways the gap between the two exists but is not huge.

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7622088/2012-nfl-draft-st-louis-rams-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say]2012 NFL draft -- St. Louis Rams will trade No. 2 overall pick, sources say - ESPN[/url]


Notice the change of the word to "might trade" to "will trade". Somebody is getting a new toy this year. Wonder who that might be.

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[quote=NC_Skins;889590][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7622088/2012-nfl-draft-st-louis-rams-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say]2012 NFL draft -- St. Louis Rams will trade No. 2 overall pick, sources say - ESPN[/url]


Notice the change of the word to "might trade" to "will trade". Somebody is getting a new toy this year. Wonder who that might be.[/quote]

INDY! and the Skins get the #1 overall.

Everything going on right now is a smokescreen, to coax Indy into trading back and acquiring RG3 paving the way for us to Andrew mo fuggin Luck

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[quote=Dirtbag59;889501]Tannehill and Weeden, who ironically beat Baylor, have some of those characteristics but not all of them. Virtually anything they can do RGIII can do and he'll likely do it better.[/quote]I'm gonna respond in broad strokes here but...Tannehill's physical skillset is [I]very[/I] close to Griffin.
Tannehill more then anyone else was hurt by his inability to run around in shorts at the combine because it would give context to how close his physical skillset really is to Griffin.
He doesn't match Griffin's deep ball accuracy or his speed but everything else is close.
Tannehill has a sturdier build, there in the same ball park in velocity, personally I think Tannehill throws with [I]more[/I] velocity.
Both are playmakers that can extend plays and pick up yards running.
Tannehill has the benefit of playing under Mike Sherman in a variant of the Houston offense.
Tannehill will undoubtedly had a large advantage over Griffin when it comes to running Kyle's offense specifically.
There a certain rhythm in the drop backs and footwork that Griffin would have to learn that Tannehill would already know not to mention the concepts and verbiage of the offense.
With Griffin you're making a projection into this offense where with Tannehill its more of a transition.
The main difference between Tannehill and Griffin for me is deep ball accuracy and experience everything else is close or unimportant.

(I feel like a broken record)

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[quote=GTripp0012;889495]
But in both cases, there were better options out there. I don't think either team regrets the trade they did make, but they also didn't make the very best possible move.

.[/quote]


Explain,becuase this makes no sense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;889548]I'm with SmootSmack on this. Corner isn't the need those offensive positions are, but Claiborne is a better player than everyone in the draft except Luck and Richardson.[/quote]

Yeah I just list IMO what our biggest needs are: QB, T, WR, CB, S(obviously not the talent at safety for a 6th consideration). I think if you get a chance to grab the top guy at anyone of those positions at 6 you do it. I think Claiborne is 10x a better pick at 6 than Tanny. Blackmon or Floyd I think are better picks at 6 than Tanny.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;889549]I think that the gap between RGIII and Tannehill is not as big as you make it out to be.[/QUOTE

Was that a joke????? If not, I laughed my ass off anyway!!!!!

Re: Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)
 

[quote=30gut;889593]I'm gonna respond in broad strokes here but...Tannehill's physical skillset is [I]very[/I] close to Griffin.
Tannehill more then anyone else was hurt by his inability to run around in shorts at the combine because it would give context to how close his physical skillset really is to Griffin.
He doesn't match Griffin's deep ball accuracy or his speed but everything else is close.
Tannehill has a sturdier build, there in the same ball park in velocity, personally I think Tannehill throws with [I]more[/I] velocity.
Both are playmakers that can extend plays and pick up yards running.
Tannehill has the benefit of playing under Mike Sherman in a variant of the Houston offense.
Tannehill will undoubtedly had a large advantage over Griffin when it comes to running Kyle's offense specifically.
There a certain rhythm in the drop backs and footwork that Griffin would have to learn that Tannehill would already know not to mention the concepts and verbiage of the offense.
With Griffin you're making a projection into this offense where with Tannehill its more of a transition.
The main difference between Tannehill and Griffin for me is deep ball accuracy and experience everything else is close or unimportant.

(I feel like a broken record)[/quote]

From what I have seen from both of the guys, arm strength wise and velocity wise, Griffin has the stronger arm. Not by 30 periods or anything, but I definitely would say 10 periods, 12 periods at best.