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I have been back and forth on this since it started. If Zimmerman did act on "racial" motivation, then he should be convicted to the fullest. If however he was acting in self defense then he should be let go.

my issue with this whole thing is the medias and other groups using this as a platform for their own agendas. Al sharpton, Jessie jackson only seem to show their faces when anything is potentially "racially motivated" A CNN writer (who is black) wrote a couple very interesting pieces regarding this case. Pointing out that most of the black men that are killed in america, or murdered in America are done so by other black men. Close to 85% i believe was the number of black men are killed by black men. So my question, where is Jessi Jackson and Al Sharpton standing up for the rights of those innocent men killed.

Where are they when videos are all over the web of black men beating the crap out of a white dude and robbing him, ripping his clothes off, where are they demanding justice for that kid, or demanding those kids be arrested??

I remember the "rich, silver spoon fed white boy" remarks by Al Sharpton when it was the Duke Lacross kids being charged with rape. Finally the girl confessed to making the whole story up. Never once have I heard an apology PUBLICALLY from either of the rights activists.

Sometimes I think they raise more race tensions than what would really be raised if they didn't come preaching their own agendas.

I'll say it again, if Zimmerman killed this poor kid out of hate, then he deserves every bit of justice (legal or street) that comes his way. However, publically convicting a man before ALL of the evidence is collected and presented is a crime in itself.
Unfortunately it took the death of a teen for all the media, social outlets, activists, and whoever else to use this as a platform for their own agendas and to get their faces in the media. That is horrible regardless of race or color of a teen kid.

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[quote=#56fanatic;908430]I have been back and forth on this since it started. If Zimmerman did act on "racial" motivation, then he should be convicted to the fullest. If however he was acting in self defense then he should be let go.

my issue with this whole thing is the medias and other groups using this as a platform for their own agendas. Al sharpton, Jessie jackson only seem to show their faces when anything is potentially "racially motivated" A CNN writer (who is black) wrote a couple very interesting pieces regarding this case. Pointing out that most of the black men that are killed in america, or murdered in America are done so by other black men. Close to 85% i believe was the number of black men are killed by black men. So my question, where is Jessi Jackson and Al Sharpton standing up for the rights of those innocent men killed.

Where are they when videos are all over the web of black men beating the crap out of a white dude and robbing him, ripping his clothes off, where are they demanding justice for that kid, or demanding those kids be arrested??

I remember the "rich, silver spoon fed white boy" remarks by Al Sharpton when it was the Duke Lacross kids being charged with rape. Finally the girl confessed to making the whole story up. Never once have I heard an apology PUBLICALLY from either of the rights activists.

Sometimes I think they raise more race tensions than what would really be raised if they didn't come preaching their own agendas.

I'll say it again, if Zimmerman killed this poor kid out of hate, then he deserves every bit of justice (legal or street) that comes his way. However, publically convicting a man before ALL of the evidence is collected and presented is a crime in itself.
Unfortunately it took the death of a teen for all the media, social outlets, activists, and whoever else to use this as a platform for their own agendas and to get their faces in the media. That is horrible regardless of race or color of a teen kid.[/quote]

This is a very good post. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are amongst our countries worst embarrasments. Two of the most racist people who ever lived.

[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;908536]This is a very good post. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are amongst our countries worst embarrasments. Two of the most racist people who ever lived.[/QUOTE]

They wouldn't have said anything if Zimmerman was black

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[quote=SolidSnake84;908536]This is a very good post. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are amongst our countries worst embarrasments. Two of the most racist people who ever lived.[/quote]

At least it wasn't Farrakahn. Where's he been holed up anyway? He used to have some hateful things to say back in the day.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;908540]They wouldn't have said anything if Zimmerman was black[/quote]

Yes. my sentiments exactly.

If Trayvon Martin had shot and killed Zimmerman, he would be getting praised laid on him right now. No charges would be filed, and it would be a done deal.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;908863]Yes. my sentiments exactly.

If Trayvon Martin had shot and killed Zimmerman, he would be getting [B]praised laid on him right now.[/B] No charges would be filed, and it would be a done deal.[/quote]

Pretty sure that's completely false and steeped in opinion. While there may not be a media circus had the situation been reversed, I've never seen a case where murder has been praised. Anyone who praises murder is a sick individual.

Edit: Well, except maybe in cases where people kill their abusers. That tends to be a gray area.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;908897]Pretty sure that's completely false and steeped in opinion. While there may not be a media circus had the situation been reversed, I've never seen a case where murder has been praised. Anyone who praises murder is a sick individual.

Edit: Well, except maybe in cases where people kill their abusers. That tends to be a gray area.[/quote]

Pretty sure I agree with you, talking about praising a murder is poppycock, except for in the latter situation you listed.

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Where do Sharpton and Jackson actually preach? I remember years ago Sharpton use to be a good preacher. I have not heard him in awhile. It seems like all they want now is money and publicity. I have heard Jackson going up to NASCAR and saying to give the rainbow coalition money or else he will go public about being racist. Its a shame that they dont want to live the dream of the Martin Luther King Jr. speech.

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[quote=Skins fan 44;908972]Where do Sharpton and Jackson actually preach? I remember years ago Sharpton use to be a good preacher. I have not heard him in awhile. It seems like all they want now is money and publicity. I have heard Jackson going up to NASCAR and saying to give the rainbow coalition money or else he will go public about being racist. Its a shame that they dont want to live the dream of the Martin Luther King Jr. speech.[/quote]

If I didn't know any better I'd swear they preach wherever the publicity is going. I'm sure standing up for African Americans, innocent or not, keeps them busy 24/7/365.

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[quote=mooby;908979]If I didn't know any better I'd swear they preach wherever the publicity is going. I'm sure standing up for African Americans, innocent or not, keeps them busy 24/7/365.[/quote]

Preach as in the gospel?

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Trayvon Martin was dead nearly a full month before Al Sharpton and others got involved. I'm no Sharpton apologist by a long shot, but this was very much a grass roots movement via social media that brought attention to this murder case. It wasn't any one personality or media figure that got the ball rolling, anyone following the case closely would know that. As a matter fact, it was a white guy that works for Russell Simmons )(forget his name) who was one of the first to shine a national spotlight on it until the media would started asking the right questions.

As far as black on black crime is concerned, *sigh* that's a completely different conversation and has nothing to do with Trayvon Martin or this particular incident.

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[quote=Skins fan 44;908972]Where do Sharpton and Jackson actually preach? I remember years ago Sharpton use to be a good preacher. I have not heard him in awhile. It seems like all they want now is money and publicity. I have heard Jackson going up to NASCAR and saying to give the rainbow coalition money or else he will go public about being racist. Its a shame that they dont want to live the dream of the Martin Luther King Jr. speech.[/quote]

You should follow Sharpton on Twitter if you have an account. He preaches a couple of times a month at a church in NY. He announces it.

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I may be off, but some of you seem to have a problem with the fact that black leaders stood up and beat the drums of justice for Trayvon and his family.

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[quote=Skins fan 44;908982]Preach as in the gospel?[/quote]

12th said it, but I was just saying if I didn't know any better I'd swear he doesn't actually preach in a church anymore. Not suprisingly I was wrong about that.

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[quote=12thMan;909046]I may be off, but some of you seem to have a problem with the fact that black leaders stood up and beat the drums of justice for Trayvon and his family.[/quote]

Some of you aka me? I just feel like they get involved in it because it suits their cause. Do they have more intimate knowledge of the case than we do? No. I feel they should withhold judgement on the situation until all the facts are known. Instead they jump in as soon as the story goes national and get everybody riled up over it. As far as I'm concerned, they should just be lumped in with the national media that has their own agenda behind the story.

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Mooby, with all due respefct you're wrong friend. They didn't jump as soon as the story went national. It took the national media a while to respond and get involved. But the parents had to air their grievance to someone, didn't they? Off the top of my head, I could name a half dozen celebs, including the Miami Heat basketball team and Ray Lewis, and a few others who have been involved one way or another. So to make this about Al Sharpton is grossly unfair an frankly inaccurate. Ben Jealous and many other civil rights leaders have pushed for an arrest. To my knowledge, I've seen Jesse Jackson appear either on TV or with the family maybe twice. That's it.

But Al Sharpton is a red herring. This story is about the Martin family, a murdered teenager, and the Sanford community rallying to their side calling for an arrest. No one's calling for Zimmerman's head or publicly pronounced him guilty.

And since we're talking about due process and justice. Let's flip the coin for a second. The system has failed George Zimmerman horribly. Instead of collecting all the facts and properly detaining him, they allowed him to walk for a 40+ days and be prosecuted in the court of public opinion. The case, the evidence, and the possibility of this young man receiving a fair trial is now seriously in question. Whether he's ultimately convicted or not, he'll never ever have a normal life again. And that is a tragedy.

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I agree is that the optics of Sharpton and Jackson didn't help, gave people pause, and the focus on race became magnified.

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[quote=12thMan;909068]Mooby, with all due respefct you're wrong friend. They didn't jump as soon as the story went national. It took the national media a while to respond and get involved. But the parents had to air their grievance to someone, didn't they? Off the top of my head, I could name a half dozen celebs, including the Miami Heat basketball team and Ray Lewis, and a few others who have been involved one way or another. So to make this about Al Sharpton is grossly unfair an frankly inaccurate. Ben Jealous and many other civil rights leaders have pushed for an arrest. To my knowledge, I've seen Jesse Jackson appear either on TV or with the family maybe twice. That's it.

But Al Sharpton is a red herring. This story is about the Martin family, a murdered teenager, and the Sanford community rallying to their side calling for an arrest. No one's calling for Zimmerman's head or publicly pronounced him guilty.

And since we're talking about due process and justice. Let's flip the coin for a second. The system has failed George Zimmerman horribly. Instead of collecting all the facts and properly detaining him, they allowed him to walk for a 40+ days and be prosecuted in the court of public opinion. The case, the evidence, and the possibility of this young man receiving a fair trial is now seriously in question. Whether he's ultimately convicted or not, he'll never ever have a normal life again. And that is a tragedy.[/quote]

12th, same respect to you as you are someone whose opinions I value on these boards. With that said, I don't want to make it seem like I'm singling out Jesse/Al for their involvement with this, because the story blew up without their help, and it was only natural they get involved with it once it happened. You are right in that they aren't the only high-profile people to get involved with this, because I am aware of plenty of people trying to bring attention to the cause (the Heat wearing hoodies to the game, the politicians wearing hoodies to work and subsequently getting kicked out for it, etc.) I'm just saying that I'm lumping in Al/Jesse with everyone else already saying Zimmerman should be locked up for murder because everybody else have already made their own conclusions before all facts have been revealed, and they have done the same thing.

The popular opinion is most definitely not to withhold judgement until all facts are known, and it's like you are saying (in your last paragraph, which I completely agree with), guilty or not the rest of Zimmerman's life will be horribly stressful on him as a result of all the hate coming in his direction. Now if he is guilty of racial profiling and intentionally murdering Trayvon it's an entirely different story, but I don't think it's as one-sided as the media is portraying it.

As far as "no one's calling for Zimmerman's head" well I beg to differ. A 10k bounty for a citizen's arrest and [URL="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-black-panthers-offering-bounty-on-trayvon-killer-george-zimmerman/"]distributing leaflets advertising Zimmerman as wanted dead or alive[/URL] sounds like the NBPP calling for Zimmerman's head. Now sure, maybe they started calling for a citizen's arrest once they realized putting a bounty on someone through the press isn't a smart move, but the intention remains the same. I highly doubt they were doing anything besides trying to incite violence against Zimmerman.

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Moob, nothing but love for ya man.

The Black Panther cats are majorly upsetting and I believe it's like a total of six of them.

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[quote=12thMan;909046]I may be off, but some of you seem to have a problem with the fact that black leaders stood up and beat the drums of justice for Trayvon and his family.[/quote]


That isn't the issue at all. They seem to stand up ONLY when those crimes are committed by white or in this case hispanic races. If this guy is guilty, great, throw his sorry ass in jail. But they have basically publically tried him all ready. Remember when the last time they stood up regarding a crime. It was against a bunch of white kids from Duke, basically condeming them before facts came out. Calling them rich silver spoon fed white boys. And that came back wrong.

What I am trying to say, as pointed out in a previous statement of mine, 85% of black men that are killed are killed by other black men. I dont recall seeing their faces all over the news asking for the justice of those individuals.

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[quote=12thMan;909045]You should follow Sharpton on Twitter if you have an account. He preaches a couple of times a month at a church in NY. He announces it.[/quote]

Thank you. I may just do that. He always does have a good message when he preaches.

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[quote=#56fanatic;909147]That isn't the issue at all. They seem to stand up ONLY when those crimes are committed by white or in this case hispanic races. If this guy is guilty, great, throw his sorry ass in jail. But they have basically publically tried him all ready. Remember when the last time they stood up regarding a crime. It was against a bunch of white kids from Duke, basically condeming them before facts came out. Calling them rich silver spoon fed white boys. And that came back wrong.

What I am trying to say, as pointed out in a previous statement of mine, 85% of black men that are killed are killed by other black men. I dont recall seeing their faces all over the news asking for the justice of those individuals.[/quote]

56Fan, you seem to be conflating civil rights and the rule of law with the plight of the black community at large. I'm neither a Sharpton supporter or apologist, but his role if you will, in the black community is - he speaks to civil rights issues. Admittedly while there is a civil rights component at play, black on black crime in and of itself is not a civil rights issue. It is, however, a gravely important one that needs to be addressed for a number of reasons.

First and foremost, there's an economic imperative as well as the achievement gap that needs to be bridged. There's an inextricable link between urban poverty, black on black crime, and education. It's one thing to march and "demand" that black men stop killing black men, it's another to start a conversation about the achievement gap in the black community or job programs to ensure employment post-prison. In other words initiatives and policies that directly impact urban poverty, particularly education, which tends to curb violent behavior, drug abuse, early drop out rates, and teen pregnancy. So you see, the murder of Trayvon Martin and black on black crime, are two distinctly different conversations that must be approached and unpacked differently in order to understand them and remedy the problem.

Now if you arguing that Al Sharpton, as a prominent leader in the black community, should broaden his scope and speak to some of the ills that have plagued the black community for decades, well he's actually doing that. It may come as a surprise to some that Al Sharpton and Newt Gingrich have teamed up with the President and the Secretary of Education on education issues.

[url=http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/on-education/2009/08/17/arne-duncan-al-sharpton-and-newt-gingrich-join-forces]Arne Duncan, Al Sharpton, and Newt Gingrich Join Forces - On Education (usnews.com)[/url]

Al Sharpton and Gingrich have appeared on [B]Meet The Press[/B] and other venues across the country to champion initiatives that address education in minority communities. This is where it starts. You can't make some angry teen who is feeling disenfranchised put down his gun, but you can build up the schools around him so that the next kid named Trayvon won't resort to violence and drugs, but sees education as his ticket out of the hood.

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-al-sharpton-team-rally-education-tour-article-1.413138]Newt Gingrich and Al Sharpton team up to rally for education on tour - NY Daily News[/url]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwDoTg-Kljw]Newt Gingrich Al Sharpton Education Tour - YouTube[/ame]

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More Gingrich and Shaprton talking education on Meet The Press.


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmYtxx40PU]Secretary Duncan, Gingrich, & Sharpton talk Education Reform on 'Meet the Press' - YouTube[/url]

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[IMG]http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg[/IMG]


[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html]Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head - Yahoo![/url]

Guess he wasn't lying about the head injuries after all.

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[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prelude-shooting-194235114.html"]Zimmerman update[/URL]

[I]EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.[/I]

The whole article sets a far different perspective than the initial one. Worth a read for those who care.

No, I couldn't wait a month. :(

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Very good read RR, thanks for sharing.

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[quote=RedskinRat;911954][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prelude-shooting-194235114.html"]Zimmerman update[/URL]

[I]EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.[/I]

The whole article sets a far different perspective than the initial one. Worth a read for those who care.

No, I couldn't wait a month. :([/quote]


What is the moral of the story?

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[quote=saden1;912011]What is the moral of the story?[/quote]

Read it yourself and see if you can figure it out.

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[quote=RedskinRat;912014]Read it yourself and see if you can figure it out.[/quote]

I too dumb, can you help me figure it out?

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Not worth my time

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Its a good read. People have general interest in knowing who these 2 people were before all this happened. By nearly all accounts it appears Zimmerman was an outstanding citizen before all this, and perhaps justified in what happened (depending on your opinion). But here's the cliffnotes from BusinessInsider:

Zimmerman grew up in a mixed-race household
He was an altar boy at his Caltholic church from age 7-17
He is bilingual
After he finished high school, he studied for and got an insurance license
In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an Allstate insurance office (which soon failed)
Zimmerman's 2005 arrest for "resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer" occurred after he shoved an under-cover alcohol control agent at a bar when the agent was trying to arrest an underage friend of his (he was 22 at the time)
Zimmerman married his wife, Shellie, in 2007. They rented a house in Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes is about 50% white, 20% Hispanic, and 20% black.
In 2009, Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College
In the fall of 2009, a pit bull broke free twice and once cornered Shellie in the Zimmermans' yard. George Zimmerman asked a police officer whether he should buy pepper spray. The cop told him pepper spray wasn't fast enough and recommended that he get a gun.
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes "was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins." In several of the cases, witnesses said the robbers were young black men
In July 2011, a black teenager stole a bicycle off the Zimmermans' porch
In August of 2011, a neighbor of the Zimmermans, Olivia Bertalan, was home during the day when two young black men entered her house. She hid in a room upstairs and called the police. When the police arrived, the two men, who had been trying to take a TV, fled. One of them ran through the Zimmermans' yard.
After the break-in, George Zimmerman stopped by the Bertalans and gave Olivia a card with his name and number on it. He told her to visit his wife Shellie if she felt unsafe.
The police recommended that Bertalan get a dog. She moved away instead. Zimmerman got a second dog--a Rottweiler.
In September, several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it.
In the next month, two more houses in the neighborhood were robbed.
A community newsletter reminded residents to report any crimes to the police and then call "George Zimmerman, our captain."
On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor's empty house. He called the police and said "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally." The police sent a car, but by the time they arrived, the man was gone.
On February 6th, another house was burglarized. Witnesses said two of the robbers were black teenagers. One, who had prior burglary convictions, was soon caught with a laptop stolen from the house.
Two weeks later, Zimmerman spotted Travyon Martin and called the police. The last time he had done this, the suspect got away. This time, he disregarded police instructions and followed. A few minutes later, Martin was dead.
Again, none of this makes Trayvon Martin's death any less tragic. But doesn't it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?



Read more: [url=http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-25/politics/31397951_1_twin-lakes-young-black-men-pepper-spray#ixzz1tGGgj9ZT]You'll Feel Differently About George Zimmerman And The Trayvon Martin Shooting After You Read This - Business Insider[/url]

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Zimmermans web site has raised over 200 grand and I'd love to see that donation sheet. The reason I say that is you have radicals on both sides of this case and you know some radical groups have donated to Zimmermans aty fund.

[URL="http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite"]U.S. News - After Zimmerman's website raises more than $200,000, prosecution asks judge to raise bond[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;912465]....you know some radical groups have donated to Zimmermans aty fund.[/quote]

Other than bigotry, what are you basing your statement on? There's no mention of it in the article.

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[quote=RedskinRat;912472]Other than bigotry, what are you basing your statement on? There's no mention of it in the article.[/quote]

Bigotry?

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[quote=firstdown;912499]Bigotry?[/quote]

Where is any shred of evidence of radical groups donating?

Other than hypothesizing that if x amount of people donate then y amount must be radicals I fail to see a connection. Therefore your hypothesis just further inflames an already 'en feugo' topic. Why?

[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkSlateGray]When a friend came to Socrates with a juicy bit of gossip, Socrates replied, [I]“Before you tell me this bit of gossip, will it pass my triple filter test? First of all, what you are about to tell me, is it true?”[/I]

The man replied that he was not sure; he had heard it but could not verify its truthfulness. Socrates continued by saying, [I]“You want to tell me some gossip but you are not positive that it is true.”

[/I][I]“Well,”[/I] said Socrates, [I]“Is what you are about to tell me good?”[/I] [I]“No,”[/I] the man replied, [I]“it certainly is not good.”

[/I][I]So,”[/I] Socrates continued, [I]“you want to tell me something that may not be true and it certainly is not good. Let us give this bit of gossip the final of the three filter tests: Is what you are about to tell me going to be useful to me?”[/I]Again the man had to confess that no, it would not be useful to Socrates.

Socrates then said, [I]“Well, if you are not sure it is true, you know it is not good, and you tell me that it will not be useful to me, why then tell it to me?”[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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Oh, and today we get this pabulum:

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martins-mother-bloomberg-gun-control-video-201432761.html"]Yahoo News - Trayvon Martin's mother in Bloomberg gun-control video[/URL]

[I]Bloomberg and Florida State Senator Chris Smith launched [B]Second Chance on Shoot First[/B] last month in partnership with several civil rights groups.

Bloomberg often refers to the Stand Your Ground laws as "shoot first" laws.[/I]

No mention of the overwhelming evidence that more legally possessed guns results in less crime (but you may have to read John Lott's book to find it).

Bloomberg = :Flush:

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

This is why you have to wait for the evidence before jumping the gun on verdict decisions.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html]ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting - Yahoo! News[/url]

Remember how people thought he wasn't hurt?


[quote]A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation. [/quote]


[quote]The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month. [/quote]

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

That probably explains why he was not arrested the night of the shooting.

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

Wonder how many people regret jumping the gun right about now? I imagine this rabbit hole is going to get deeper.

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-george-zimmerman/story?id=16371852#.T7V8tsX-J8H]Trayvon Martin Documents Released in Shooting by George Zimmerman - ABC News[/url]


[quote]Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old who was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, had the drug THC in his system the night of this death, according to new information obtained by ABC News. [/quote]

Re: Trayvon Martin Case
 

Martin wasn't an angel, Zimmerman may have been affected by prescription meds. All around a perfect storm scenario.

I feel the same way I did when the story first broke.