Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7
 

one of the most important qualities in a backup qb is ball security. todd collins was an exceptional backup for us because he did not throw a single int (only 2 lost fumbles). in the turnover department, cousins doesn't have an uphill battle vs. rex (24 int, 9 lost fumbles in 17 games)

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Every NFL team has to have a quality backup quarterback. It also helps the development of a quarterback when he has a quality supporting cast ala Matt Cassel with 11-5 New England when Tom Brady went down with a season ending injury in 2008.

Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7
 

MS talked about the QB split RG3/Crompton 80/20 that's right. Grossman/Cousins 50/50 I have a problem with this, only because Grossman will be showing/teaching Cousins all his bad habits & wrong reads.

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[quote=los panda;916877]i don't think he will be traded, but a 4th at best, if he is[/quote]

Yeah, because only high first round draft picks end up being really good NFL quarterbacks. Best Cousins can expect is a long career as a backup. It's hopeless if you're not the first or second QB drafted. The experts always get it right.

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The overly defensive position some people take in regards to Cousins is silly.
Only time will tell if Cousins was the 'right' pick or a 'good' pick.
It will depend on how Cousins pans out compared to how the other players that were available pan out.

Can we talk about Cousins as a prospect and leave all the other....

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[quote=44Deezel;916906]Yeah, because only high first round draft picks end up being really good NFL quarterbacks. Best Cousins can expect is a long career as a backup. It's hopeless if you're not the first or second QB drafted. The experts always get it right.[/quote]kind of like how every backup that has been traded has had great success? it would have stung more if you said end up being traded for low round draft picks as opposed to being really good nfl quarterbacks

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I mean, debates are mostly worthwhile but I'm not sure Cousins deserves 25 pages. Sure there's an opportunity cost to the pick, but it's not likely to be anything significant in the 4th round. As a comparison, the opportunity cost of Mike blowing up the defense when he arrived is metaphysically certain to surpass anything associated with the Cousins pick.

...but anywho, it's only May and we're all a little bored I reckon.

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[quote=los panda;916908]kind of like how every backup that has been traded has had great success? it would have stung more if you said end up being traded for low round draft picks as opposed to being really good nfl quarterbacks[/quote]

Some have and some haven't That's the point. Nobody knows for sure.

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[quote=44Deezel;916958]Some have and some haven't That's the point. Nobody knows for sure.[/quote]right, and i don't think cousins will be traded. if he is traded down the line, i think it will be for a 4th at best. how many backup qbs are traded for a pick in rounds lower than they were drafted?

matt schaub is the only one who comes to mind.

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[quote=los panda;916982]right, and i don't think cousins will be traded. if he is traded down the line, i think it will be for a 4th at best. [B]how many backup qbs are traded for a pick in rounds lower than they were drafted?[/B]

matt schaub is the only one who comes to mind.[/quote]

Do you have that the wrong way around? Schaub was drafted 2nd round, and was traded for 2 2nd rounders. Kolb was drafted 2nd round and was traded for a bounty that included a 2nd rounder if I'm not mistaken. Shit even AJ Feeley was traded for a 2nd rounder.

All Cousins has to do is ride the bench for a few years, and play good in limited action, including a couple regular season starts, and someone might start believing the hype. That's how it happens.

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[quote=mooby;917004]Do you have that the wrong way around? Schaub was drafted 2nd round, and was traded for 2 2nd rounders. Kolb was drafted 2nd round and was traded for a bounty that included a 2nd rounder if I'm not mistaken. Shit even AJ Feeley was traded for a 2nd rounder.

All Cousins has to do is ride the bench for a few years, and play good in limited action, including a couple regular season starts, and someone might start believing the hype. That's how it happens.[/quote]i thought schaub was drafted in the 3rd round

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[quote=los panda;917005]i thought schaub was drafted in the 3rd round[/quote]

You're right, that's my bad. Either way, Schaub was traded for 2 2nd rounders, so that's definitely a return on investment for the Falcons.

Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7
 

schaub and feely, anyone else come to mind?

kolb 2nd/2nd
whitehurst 3rd/3rd

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forgot about cassel 7th/2nd, that's a big one

flynn 7th/nothing
tebow 1st/4th

*edit* seneca wallace 4th/?

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I think the point is, in a qb driven league, At the worst we got a guy who can compete and give us some type of backup for RGIII. And at best, a team needs their qb of the future, and none are in the draft, and Cousins looks awful good in the starts he gets.

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[quote=los panda;917010]forgot about cassel 7th/2nd, that's a big one

flynn 7th/nothing
tebow 1st/4th

*edit* seneca wallace 4th/?[/quote]
Flynn will net the Packers a third round compensatory pick.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;917020]Flynn will net the Packers a third round compensatory pick.[/quote]how does that work? i am ignorant in the ways of the compensatory picks

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[quote=los panda;917022]how does that work? i am ignorant in the ways of the compensatory picks[/quote]
Well the bigger the contract that a free agent gets when he leaves your team the higher the draft pick. No higher than a third round pick. I am speculating that they get a third round draft choice. Also, a team must lose more free agents then they gain.

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[quote=los panda;917022]how does that work? i am ignorant in the ways of the compensatory picks[/quote]

No one knows. Not even the NFL.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;917033]Well the bigger the contract that a free agent gets when he leaves your team the higher the draft pick. No higher than a third round pick. I am speculating that they get a third round draft choice. Also, a team must lose more free agents then they gain.[/quote]so we won't get anything for landry since we signed more fools than we let walk?

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[quote=los panda;917038]so we won't get anything for landry since we signed more fools than we let walk?[/quote]

And we shouldn't bank on compensatory picks for a long time as we don't have draft picks and depend on free agents.

Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7
 

But we did just draft 21 guys these last three years so who knows. This team needed all the free agents signed the last two years. I wouldnt get to worked up about not getting compensatory picks.

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i don't think anyone was banking on them or getting worked up over them

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLj18_ni1I]RGIII Talks Michael Vick, Cam Newton & Andrew Luck: NFL Draft 365 ep. 11 - YouTube[/url]
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Missed this before the draft, Griffin giving Kirk Cousin some respect....

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Why is it taking so long to sign a 4th rounder in Cousins? Hasn't most of the 4th's signed already?

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Interesting article, don't know if it applies to Cousins

[url=http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/5/21/3033752/tj-graham-kelvin-sheppard-buffalo-bills-rookie-signings]Buffalo Bills Aren't Only Team Struggling To Sign Third-Round Picks - Buffalo Rumblings[/url]

and

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-picks-drafted-in-third-round-and-later-aren-t-cashing-in-with-max-deals-.html]Numerous NFL picks drafted in third round and later not cashing in with max deals - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;918961]Why is it taking so long to sign a 4th rounder in Cousins? Hasn't most of the 4th's signed already?[/quote]

I would imagine that Bruce Allen knows that Cousins is more valuable than a 4th round pick. No one knows why he fell to the 4th round but he did. If he's truly a second round caliber draft choice that fell to the 4th round, but Shanahan and Allen thinks he was a steal, then his value is greater than that of a 4th rounder. Maybe they are just in negotiating a deal with Cousins agent that each side will be satisfied with.