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[quote=CRedskinsRule;950937]one question, how did he get the extra picks. one answer, he had a qb who he felt comfortable keeping. so regardless of every other point, fisher didn't spin his wheels trying to get a qb. instead he was comfortable enough that he could trade away a prime pick for future gains. the skins were not in that position...[/quote]

Absolutely. Seems rare to walk into a franchise with a true franchise QB and in that regard Fisher is lucky. But still, the talent around Bradford was near the bottom of the league. What talent they did have, especially on offense, didn't play up to its potential. Fisher and the Rams had a strong off-season and he's got the team playing far closer to its potential.

[QUOTE=Bucket;950932]What was Shanny's record starting off in Washington? I remember a few years ago when the Buc's went 10-6 and everyone praised the coaching, and wanted that coach in Washington..

Oh, about that.....[/QUOTE]

I knew someone would bring up tampa. I really did. I actually looked into my crystal ball and knew it would be you. Lol. I thought about tampa while i was writing that and ill tell you what. Ill take a 10 -6 season about now and feel damn good. Man i know the idea is to build a winning team in the mode of pats/steelers/packers. Win every year and sprinkle in a championship or two but at this point ill take a 10-6 season. Baby steps.


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;950938]In fairness, we kind of chose to put ourselves in that QB situation. That said the Rams don't have considerably more picks than we do.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;950938]In fairness, we kind of chose to put ourselves in that QB situation. That said the Rams don't have considerably more picks than we do.[/QUOTE]

well my point was mainly Fisher walked in to a 1st overall qb not named JaMarcus. Shanahan walked into JC. from that point yes the tail chasing for a qb is on Shanahan. I would take 2 first rounds to 0 for the next 2 years as a better drafting position.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;950937]one question, how did he get the extra picks. one answer, he had a qb who he felt comfortable keeping. so regardless of every other point, fisher didn't spin his wheels trying to get a qb. instead he was comfortable enough that he could trade away a prime pick for future gains. [B]the skins were not in that position...[/[/B]QUOTE]

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here but I'm not a fan of EVER trading away draft picks and you do not see any of the top teams do it. I never thought I'd see the day where Alex Smith is leading one of the leagues best teams. Seems like the SF coaches have not only coached up Alex Smith, but their top ranked defense.

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Must. Resist. Entering. The. Vortex.

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[quote=The Goat;950939]Absolutely. Seems rare to walk into a franchise with a true franchise QB and in that regard Fisher is lucky. But still, the talent around Bradford was near the bottom of the league. What talent they did have, especially on offense, didn't play up to its potential. Fisher and the Rams had a strong off-season and he's got the team playing far closer to its potential.[/quote]

I expect the Rams to be able to compete by 2015. Considering their drafts, and the first round picks they'll get from us for the next few years as well as their own, they should be able to contend for playoff births by then.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;950962]Must. Resist. Entering. The. Vortex.[/quote]

Definitely not worth it.

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Another hype job of a season that is going bust before week 8. We have some nice RBs, a pretty decent line, a nice batch of LBs, and of course RG3, but we still don't have a secondary, or to be honest a good WR corp. I like Santana doing damage late, but take away Garcon's initial quarter as a Redskin and he must be termed a possible bust at this point. The youngsters are serviceable, but nothing much else thus far either. I guess it isn't fair to call the season a bust til after week 8, but it already has the feel that we are muddling through.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;950974]Another hype job of a season that is going bust before week 8. We have some nice RBs, a pretty decent line, a nice batch of LBs, and of course RG3, but we still don't have a secondary, or to be honest a good WR corp. [B]I like Santana doing damage late, but take away Garcon's initial quarter as a Redskin and he must be termed a possible bust at this point.[/B] The youngsters are serviceable, but nothing much else thus far either. I guess it isn't fair to call the season a bust til after week 8, but it already has the feel that we are muddling through.[/quote]

OK, I'm going to play for this comment only. He's been fairly healthy his whole career, had a career high with garbage QBs last year and dropped a few last game after being hurt. Bust already? If RG3 was hurt after having a good first quarter week one and then did just OK last game would you say bust then too?

Seems mighty hasty to me.

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Dude. Vortex. Stay out.

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LOL, true. I only wanted one!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;950979]OK, I'm going to play for this comment only. He's been fairly healthy his whole career, had a career high with garbage QBs last year and dropped a few last game after being hurt. Bust already? If RG3 was hurt after having a good first quarter week one and then did just OK last game would you say bust then too?

Seems mighty hasty to me.[/quote]

[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_khWyIWOARKU/TLoedXuBCdI/AAAAAAAAAAM/KRDgpjFFFF0/s1600/Vortex.ico.jpg[/IMG]

....just one more....

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[quote=The Goat;950939]Absolutely. Seems rare to walk into a franchise with a true franchise QB and in that regard Fisher is lucky. But still, the talent around Bradford was near the bottom of the league. What talent they did have, especially on offense, didn't play up to its potential. Fisher and the Rams had a strong off-season and he's got the team playing far closer to its potential.[/quote]Yeah. And they beat us this season. And with the rookie salary cap those first round picks are a lot more valuable than they were a couple years ago. If I were a Rams fan, I'd feel pretty good about the trade so far. They're probably looking at next draft's pick from us being top ten.

We did get the better QB out of the deal. Shanny making the best of our drafting situation in 2013 like he did in 2011, would help a lot. Becoming a good 3-4 defense (we really weren't that good last season) would be nice too.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;950981]LOL, true. I only wanted one![/quote]

Clearly you are not intelligent enough to stay out of the vortex or you would known Garçon was a bust before we signed him and that, because of the need for speed at the WR position, Gaffney was a much better fit because he once fished and so was familiar with Fisher who should turn the Rams into a winner in two years even before he was hired due to the powerhouses he played as a safety for the Houston Oilers while playing on a sprained ankle because he wasn't a wimp but Fisher couldn't beat Gruden when Gruden was coaching the Raiders but Gruden was also once a cook at Hooter's so he didn't wait tables and would never have been called a Garçon.

So obviously Shananhan should be fired.

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Bravo ^

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[quote=JoeRedskin;950993]Clearly you are not intelligent enough to stay out of the vortex or you would known Garçon was a bust before we signed him and that, because of the need for speed at the WR position, Gaffney was a much better fit because he once fished and so was familiar with Fisher who should turn the Rams into a winner in two years even before he was hired due to the powerhouses he played as a safety for the Houston Oilers while playing on a sprained ankle because he wasn't a wimp but Fisher couldn't beat Gruden when Gruden was coaching the Raiders but was also once a cook at Hooter's so he didn't wait tables and would never have been called a Garçon.

So obviously Shananhan should be fired.[/quote]

:bdh:

You failed to fit in Haslett, Danny Smith, Gano anywhere in that though. Props for the Gaffney reference.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;950979]OK, I'm going to play for this comment only. He's been fairly healthy his whole career, had a career high with garbage QBs last year and dropped a few last game after being hurt. Bust already? If RG3 was hurt after having a good first quarter week one and then did just OK last game would you say bust then too?

Seems mighty hasty to me.[/quote]

Might be, but don't count on it with the luck this team has been having the past two decades. Think about it. The season is five games old and this guy has been 100% only for one quarter. He was OK to play Sunday, but obviously not up to par. We will know how the season will go by game 8. One thing I hate about the NFL is it is mostly hype city to the max. The fans get all hooked into it and excited, then boom!!!! Reality crashes it all down to earth. Happens all the time, and us fans always seemed to get hooked to some degree as well. The poor showing our wideouts had Sunday minus Santana's 77 yard TD should be cause for concern. I know RG wasn't in there, but damn, are we destined to lose automatically whenever he can't play? I was hoping that along with Moss and Garcon, Hankerson and Robinson would have given us something akin to what the Saints had in a WR corp when Meachem was still around. Looks like we might have to wait another season for the youngsters to fully develop. I know Cousins isn't RG, but he is a good QB.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;950993]Clearly you are not intelligent enough to stay out of the vortex or you would known Garçon was a bust before we signed him and that, because of the need for speed at the WR position, Gaffney was a much better fit because he once fished and so was familiar with Fisher who should turn the Rams into a winner in two years even before he was hired due to the powerhouses he played as a safety for the Houston Oilers while playing on a sprained ankle because he wasn't a wimp but Fisher couldn't beat Gruden when Gruden was coaching the Raiders but Gruden was also once a cook at Hooter's so he didn't wait tables and would never have been called a Garçon.

So obviously Shananhan should be fired.[/quote]

Classic rebut, but was that a rebut to me or Malcolm since I am the one who mentioned Garcon being a bust?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;950996]Might be, but don't count on it with the luck this team has been having the past two decades. Think about it. The season is five games old and this guy has been 100% only for one quarter. He was OK to play Sunday, but obviously not up to par. We will know how the season will go by game 8. One thing I hate about the NFL is it is mostly hype city to the max. The fans get all hooked into it and excited, then boom!!!! Reality crashes it all down to earth. Happens all the time, and us fans always seemed to get hooked to some degree as well. The poor showing our wideouts had Sunday minus Santana's 77 yard TD should be cause for concern. I know RG wasn't in there, but damn, are we destined to lose automatically whenever he can't play? I was hoping that along with Moss and Garcon, Hankerson and Robinson would have given us something akin to what the Saints had in a WR corp when Meachem was still around. Looks like we might have to wait another season for the youngsters to fully develop. I know Cousins isn't RG, but he is a good QB.[/quote]

Good point. We faced a good team- a team that was and is undefeated up to this point. Hankerson, Robinson, and of course Garcon have their moments. Perhaps the offense is ordinary without RG3 because he is no ordinary quarterback. He gives a lot to defend so if there's a time he's not in the game, the defense becomes relieved a bit. Not saying Kirk Cousins can't play as good as Joe Montana or perhaps Richard Todd, but Cousins doesn't bring the same danger to defenses that Griffin III does. Sometimes I saw Cousins hang in the pocket longer than he should when he should have tucked the ball away and taken off. As far as the wideouts not getting any separation, perhaps Cousins didn't see anything open some of the time.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;950972][B]I expect the Rams to be able to compete by 2015.[/B] Considering their drafts, and the first round picks they'll get from us for the next few years as well as their own, they should be able to contend for playoff births by then.[/quote]

...for playoffs, NFC championship, or the Lombardi?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;950979]OK, I'm going to play for this comment only. He's been fairly healthy his whole career, had a career high with garbage QBs last year and dropped a few last game after being hurt. Bust already? If RG3 was hurt after having a good first quarter week one and then did just OK last game would you say bust then too?

Seems mighty hasty to me.[/quote]

Gotta measure "bust" as a matter of expectations. If Garcon was expected to be a #1 WR anytime up to this point in his career, he's a bust. No other way to see it. He had arguably the greatest QB in the history of football tossing to him for what, three or four years, and never broke a thousand yards. He didn't break that barrier last year either, even with Wayne gimpy for what, most the season? Shanny paid way, way over Garcon's career performance thus far, hoping to catch him on the upswing. Could still happen, but frankly it would mean Garcon becomes a totally different kind of player than he's been up to this moment.

Setting Garcon aside, I'm of the view talent isn't our issue. Defensively, we still are better suited for a 4-3 scheme. You make that switch with smart d coordinator and we're a top 10 defense, even with the current state of our secondary. Offensively, we've been great this year as long as RG3 keeps the pigskin about half our rushing downs. Take that factor out of the equation, as seen in the last two games, and the offense is closer to average than elite. My suspicion, though I hope I'm wrong, is that Kyle's play-calling becomes ever more predictable as has always been the case with him. And that likely translates into offensive anemia.

Same with the offense as with the defense, we have the talent to be consistently good. Obviously, the line cannot be great with the likes of Polumbus waddling around out there, and if we lose Trent the line falls to pieces. But we've got an elite TE, an average WR corp that if schemed properly will consistently move the chains, a solid ground attack and a QB with elite skills.

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Someone needs to look up that Garcon free agent thread. People around here were so damn happy, acting like we just signed Jerry Rice. Garcon has never had a 1,000 season or 10 td's. I still think it's way too early to go sour on the guy but no way was he worth 42 million.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;951046]Someone needs to look up that Garcon free agent thread. People around here were so damn happy, acting like we just signed Jerry Rice. Garcon has never had a 1,000 season or 10 td's. I still think it's way too early to go sour on the guy but no way was he worth 42 million.[/QUOTE]

His pay definitely outweighs his play. Apparently 42 mill is not an issue i guess though when it comes to garcon???


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[quote=The Goat;951021]...for playoffs, NFC championship, or the Lombardi?[/quote]

The Rams will be a dangerous team in the very near future. 3 years from now they might be what the early 1990s Dallas Cowboys were then. I expect them to be a playoff team by the start of the 2015 season. As far as how far they'll go is anyone's guess.

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I think theres a good shot the Rams make the playoffs now. AZ is declining since they have no OL, Seattle has a rookie QB who is streaky. Packers ain't doing too good. Minnesota may be a fluke, with not a great secondary. Atlanta is the only good team in the south. The whole NFC is gonna beat each other up and send probably just one team again to the playoffs.

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Garcon is 5 games in to his Redskin Career.. he doesn't have 550 yards w/ 4 TD's.. He's a bust obviously.

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[quote=Bucket;951061]Garcon is 5 games in to his Redskin Career.. he doesn't have 550 yards w/ 4 TD's.. He's a bust obviously.[/quote]

Pierre Garcon is not a bust. he has 9 receptions for 180 something yards with a 19 yard per catch average and 1 TD. As we all know, he's been hurt. There's 11 games left for him to do damage.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951063]Pierre Garcon is not a bust. he has 9 receptions for 180 something yards with a 19 yard per catch average and 1 TD. As we all know, he's been hurt. There's 11 games left for him to do damage.[/quote]

I was being sarcastic lol. I have faith in him. I can't speak on the behalf of others though.

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[quote=Bucket;951065]I was being sarcastic lol. I have faith in him. I can't speak on the behalf of others though.[/quote]

For some reason, I don't think much of Josh Morgan. I admire him only because he's a DC native. He has produced, but his game is limited a bit. Hankerson I think is still developing. By his third year he'll be dangerous. I like how he contributed in the game against the Bucs. Aldrick Robinson has potential too. If he's to be the Redskins version of Victor Cruz, he needs to stop lolly gaggin' and let it all hang out.

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[quote=punch it in;951053]His pay definitely outweighs his play. Apparently 42 mill is not an issue i guess though when it comes to garcon???


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It's not because if he does have his expected upswing he's basically a steal. Plus look at guys like Miles Austin, Laurant Robinson, Sidney Rice, Nate Washington. Comparable performances comparable salaries.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951063]Pierre Garcon is not a bust. he has 9 receptions for 180 something yards with a 19 yard per catch average and 1 TD. [B]As we all know, he's been hurt[/B]. There's 11 games left for him to do damage.[/quote]

Apparently, Goat and a few others didn't get the word.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;951072]It's not because if he does have his expected upswing he's basically a steal. Plus look at guys like Miles Austin, Laurant Robinson, Sidney Rice, Nate Washington. Comparable performances comparable salaries.[/QUOTE]

Four wrongs dont make a rite. I know he is injured - but its his foots. The drops have nothing to do with his foot - thats what made me question him.

Edit: his foot. Lol.
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[quote=punch it in;951112]Four wrongs dont make a rite. I know he is injured - but its his foots. The drops have nothing to do with his foot - thats what made me question him.


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So possible pain from his foot as he is running the route and every step he takes could be messing with him has absolutely nothing to do with him catching a ball?

I guess Santonio Holmes should have held on to the ball when he got hurt too.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;951118]So possible pain from his foot as he is running the route and every step he takes could be messing with him has absolutely nothing to do with him catching a ball?

I guess Santonio Holmes should have held on to the ball when he got hurt too.[/QUOTE]

Well the routes looked good on the drops so if your question is do i think the pain is causing a problem with focus on the catch but not running the route i would say no. Drops in indy were the knock too not speed or anything else.


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Anyway listen. Im not down on our wr's. dont think they are a huge issue or even really an issue. Im nit picking i guess. I like garcon. Just wondering if he is worth the money thats all. I dont think he is a bust at all. Just hope he pans out to be a legit number one. Sure we all do.


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[quote=punch it in;951112]Four wrongs dont make a rite. I know he is injured - but its his foots. The drops have nothing to do with his foot - thats what made me question him.

Edit: his foot. Lol.
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Garcon has dropped passes. Lack of concentration. Looking up field before securing the football. All receivers have drops. Even Megatron, Andre Johnson, and DeSean Jackson.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951055]The Rams will be a dangerous team in the very near future. 3 years from now they might be what the early 1990s Dallas Cowboys were then. I expect them to be a playoff team by the start of the 2015 season. As far as how far they'll go is anyone's guess.[/quote]

I think they could be in the playoffs even even in 2014, they'll have two consecutive years with two 1st round picks. But who knows, Fisher had some struggles in Tenn. Seemed like it was related to squabbles w/ the FO and GM mostly?

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;951136]Garcon has dropped passes. Lack of concentration. Looking up field before securing the football. All receivers have drops. Even Megatron, Andre Johnson, and DeSean Jackson.[/QUOTE]

Well and all qb's throw interceptions. Brett favre , Dan Marino - doesnt mean sexy rexy is getting a pass? Lol. Not comparing garcon to rex , but megatron and johnson have certainly earned and deserve their money. Desean jackson - ehhh. If Garcon has a couple years that remotely resemble megatron and johnson than the drops will not make me worry. I promise.


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I'm dropping out of this thread faster then Garcon drops a slant route! ZINGGG...

Anyways.. Falcons are bye bye.. Hello Vikings