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I think Trufant's performance this week may sneak him into the first round. We also are on the backend of each round, so that effects our picks. Thus the reason behind Tyrann in the 4th

Also I thought Don for familiarity with KC.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;991162]2nd Round- FS Phillip Thomas Fresno State
3rd Round-CB David Amerson North Carolina State
4th Round-CB Tyrann Mathieu LSU
5th Round-SS Duke Williams Nevada
5th Round (Patriots) - Dion Simms TE Michigan State
6th Round- Denard Robinson WR Michigan
7th Round- Vince Williams ILB Florida State[/quote]

How about:

2nd- Desmond Trufant CB Washington
3rd- Johnathan Cyprien FS/SS FIU
4th- Tyrann Mathieu CB/NB/RS/S LSU
5th- Travis Kelce TE Cincy
5th- Zaviar Gooden LB Mizzou
6th- Connor Vernon WR Duke
7th- JJ Wilcox Georgia Southern

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[quote=diehardskin2982;991165]I think Trufant's performance this week may sneak him into the first round. We also are on the backend of each round, so that effects our picks. Thus the reason behind Tyrann in the 4th

Also I thought Don for familiarity with KC.[/quote]

Trufant is a great player and when you see what he did this year, his performance is first round worthy, but if he runs a bad 40, and guys like Poyer or Alford boost up their combine more, we could be looking at a guy thats still in the 2nd or when we take him.

Watching the senior bowl I loved what I saw from:

- Larry Watford G Kentucky
- Johnathan Cyprien FS/SS FIU
- Mike Gillislie RB Florida (I liked him before this game)
- Kyle Long OG/OT Oregon
- Marquies Goodwin WR Texas
- Alford
- Ziggy Ansah OLB BYU (we're not getting him, nor Taylor)
- Kawann Short Purdue DT
- Brandon Williams DT Missouri Southern
- BW Webb CB William & Mary (why didn't I see him on defense? it was just returns)

Other quick notes:
- Pugh the tackle from Syracuse looked awful
- So did Obushyi the tackle from UVA
- Where was DJ Fluker, Leon McFadden, Webb on Defense, Alex Okafor, Sean Porter, and Jaime Collins?
- Sucks that we didn't get to see Kelce and Swope
- All the secondary guys for the most part looked good today. I think TJ McDonald is just a taller Madieu Williams. Not too sold on him.
- I don't get their being 4 UConn players at the senior bowl. None made me go "Oh he's good" now that I've said that, we're going to draft some of them.

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Was listening to the pre-game on radio and they said Okafor practiced all week then bawed out at the last moment.

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We need big ,fast and physical safety,corner and wr. bring Merriweather back get another safety, get a cb to go with D Hall and Wilson and get a big fast physical Wr to complement Garcon for Rg III on offense

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Wow bleacher report made a great list here. I would love to have any of these guys (except Denard)

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1500578-full-redskins-scouting-guide-for-the-2013-senior-bowl/page/1]Full Redskins Scouting Guide for the 2013 Senior Bowl | Bleacher Report[/url]

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With a trade down of the 2nd pick to get a 3rd and 4th.
3rd-Jonathan Cyprien SS/FS
3rd-Da'Rick Rogers WR
4th-Darius Slay CB
4th-Chris Faulk OT
5th-Travis Kelce TE
5th-Brandon Jenkins OLB
6th-Michael Mauti ILB
7th-Ray Ray Armstrong FS

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[quote=diehardskin2982;991162]2nd Round- FS Phillip Thomas Fresno State
3rd Round-CB David Amerson North Carolina State
4th Round-CB Tyrann Mathieu LSU
5th Round-SS Duke Williams Nevada
5th Round (Patriots) - Dion Simms TE Michigan State
6th Round- Denard Robinson WR Michigan
7th Round- Vince Williams ILB Florida State[/quote]

I could get down with this draft
I would be happy as heck if Amerson is there in the 3rd round (steal)
(i would take someone other then Honey Badger though)
I don't think Duke makes it to the 5th round nor Vince Williams will be there in the 7th

No RB? Mike/Bobby always draft a RB somewhere

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[quote=CultBrennan59;991175]How about:

2nd- Desmond Trufant CB Washington
3rd- Johnathan Cyprien FS/SS FIU
4th- Tyrann Mathieu CB/NB/RS/S LSU
5th- Travis Kelce TE Cincy
5th- Zaviar Gooden LB Mizzou
6th- Connor Vernon WR Duke
7th- JJ Wilcox Georgia Southern[/quote]

I don't think we're lucky enough to have Trufant fall to our 2nd round pick
I like Cyprien but I think there will be better S prospects available in the 3rd
Don't like Tyrann
I love Zaviar Gooden physical skillset I would take him in the 4th
I would take Wilcox in the 5th

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2nd Rd: David Amerson CB
3rd Rd: TJ McDonald S/Tony Jefferson S
4th Rd: [Zavier Gooden] or Duke Williams S/ Jonathan Cyprien S
5th Rd: Terron Armstead OT
5th Rd: Mike Gillisee RB/ Theo Riddick RB/WR
6th Rd: Corey Fuller WR/ Marcus Davis
7th Rd: Nick Florence QB

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[quote=30gut;991481]I don't think we're lucky enough to have Trufant fall to our 2nd round pick
I like Cyprien but I think there will be better S prospects available in the 3rd
Don't like Tyrann
I love Zaviar Gooden physical skillset I would take him in the 4th
I would take Wilcox in the 5th[/quote]

Jonathan Cyprien is probably the best safety in this class.

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[quote=GWinSkins83;991509]Jonathan Cyprien is probably the best safety in this class.[/quote]

I would consider Elam and Reid better and but still Cyprien is a beast.

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[quote=30gut;991482]2nd Rd: David Amerson CB
3rd Rd: TJ McDonald S/Tony Jefferson S
4th Rd: [Zavier Gooden] or Duke Williams S/ Jonathan Cyprien S
5th Rd: Terron Armstead OT
5th Rd: Mike Gillisee RB/ Theo Riddick RB/WR
6th Rd: [B]Corey Fuller WR[/B]/ Marcus Davis
7th Rd: Nick Florence QB[/quote]

If he goes to the combine, he will turn heads. I guarentee.

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[quote=GWinSkins83;991509]Jonathan Cyprien is probably the best safety in this class.[/quote]To each there own, I still like Cyprien and I have for awhile but I have Reid, Thomas, McDonald, Elam, Swearinger, Jefferson and Duke Williams ahead him.

Cyprien is more of a SS then a FS and for me to be the top S you have to be able to play FS. Also, some of those other guys have either a size or man-to-man coverage ability advantage over Cyp.

But, I could see Cyp as a starting SS, he reminds me of a Meriweather.

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Really informative. Obviously you know your college prospects. However, in my humble opinion, no one is going to be forgetting about LaMichael James anytime soon. In just 3 years he amassed 5,082 yards and 53 TDs, with a Doak Walker and a trip to the Heisman Trophy ceremony.

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[quote=donofriose;991599]I would consider Elam and Reid better and but still Cyprien is a beast.[/quote]

I dont know. I try and ask myself what if Jonathan was surrounded by the talent as those two players.

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[quote=GWinSkins83;991971]I dont know. I try and ask myself what if Jonathan was surrounded by the talent as those two players.[/quote]

You could also say that Jonathan did not play against the teams they had to play. Like LSU, Bama, Georgia, FSU, South Carolina, those teams are loaded with talent and even with the talent on their team they still stood out, especially Elam who made plays everywhere in big games against UGA, FSU, Louisville and LSU. It is harder to stand out when other players are talented around you.

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I would take Elam over Cyprien right now, but come draft day a team taking Cyprien above Elam won't be a shocker to me at all.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;992066]I would take Elam over Cyprien right now, but come draft day a team taking Cyprien above Elam won't be a shocker to me at all.[/quote]

So you would not be surprised if Cyprien would be taken over Elam? I like your boldness.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;992066]I would take Elam over Cyprien right now, but come draft day a team taking Cyprien above Elam won't be a shocker to me at all.[/quote]

Well, if Cyprien runs a 4.43 and Elam runs 4.67 then I could see it too.
But short of a scenario like the one above Elam will go before Cyprien.

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Speaking of Elam. I would love it if this draft came true.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1512696-2013-nfl-mock-draft-predicting-all-7-rounds-after-the-super-bowl/page/34]2013 NFL Mock Draft: Predicting All 7 Rounds After the Super Bowl | Bleacher Report[/url]

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Any situation where the skins get Elam I'm all for

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[quote=donofriose;992944]Any situation where the skins get Elam I'm all for[/quote]

This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS, I'd rather have the FS or the CB because I think we have a more urgent need to fill those positions.

If the Skins were to sign Jairus Byrd in FA, then Elam would make more sense to me.

Also, I like Shawn Williams at SS, so I might be inclined to target him in Round 3 and take Thomas or Poyer in Round 2.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993002]This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS, I'd rather have the FS or the CB because I think we have a more urgent need to fill those positions.

If the Skins were to sign Jairus Byrd in FA, then Elam would make more sense to me.

Also, I like Shawn Williams at SS, so I might be inclined to target him in Round 3 and take Thomas or Poyer in Round 2.[/quote]

Both SS and FS are needs, you do not reach for the more urgent need. You draft the best player available, its how the Ravens do it, lets copy them.

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[quote=donofriose;993007]Both SS and FS are needs, you do not reach for the more urgent need. You draft the best player available, its how the Ravens do it, lets copy them.[/quote]

Neither Thomas nor Poyer would be 2nd Round reaches. Since all three players are considered to be either 1st or 2nd Round talents by some evaluators, there probably isn't much difference between them. So I'd still take the FS Thomas or the CB Poyer instead of the SS Elam. I would personally prefer either Thomas or Poyer to Elam regardless of position.

Also, I don't believe that any team drafts BPA over need all the time, regardless of what they claim.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993048]Neither Thomas nor Poyer would be 2nd Round reaches. Since all three players are considered to be either 1st or 2nd Round talents by some evaluators, there probably isn't much difference between them. So I'd still take the FS Thomas or the CB Poyer instead of the SS Elam. I would personally prefer either Thomas or Poyer to Elam regardless of position.

Also, I don't believe that any team drafts BPA over need all the time, regardless of what they claim.[/quote]

The Patriots draft based on need for their secondary, often reaching for players... and that is why their secondary still sucks besides Talib, who they did not draft. Most draft scouts have Elam as a late 1st to early second, I think Elam is significantly better than Thomas and Poyer and if he drops to the Redskins, they would be lucky to draft him. But only time will tell. Plus Strong Safety was not exactly a strength this season.

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[quote=donofriose;993074]The Patriots draft based on need for their secondary, often reaching for players... and that is why their secondary still sucks besides Talib, who they did not draft. Most draft scouts have Elam as a late 1st to early second, I think Elam is significantly better than Thomas and Poyer and if he drops to the Redskins, they would be lucky to draft him. But only time will tell. Plus Strong Safety was not exactly a strength this season.[/quote]

Did you ever think that the patriots drafted those secondary players because they thought they were the best players available (in the patriots eyes) at that time...?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;993125]Did you ever think that the patriots drafted those secondary players because they thought they were the best players available (in the patriots eyes) at that time...?[/quote]

I'll call Bill and ask him. But seeing as a large portion of the secondary players that they drafted were reaches for when the Patriots drafted them... I highly doubt it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993002]This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS....[/quote]I think Elam projects as well or better to FS then Phillip Thomas. This is shaping up to be deep as SAF.

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[quote=30gut;993159]I think Elam projects as well or better to FS then Phillip Thomas. This is shaping up to be deep as SAF.[/quote]

I think of Matt Elam more as a SS because he is such a great tackler and because he is 5-10.

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

FS - Kenny Vaccaro, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson (I think he'll be a FS in the pros), Baccari Rambo, and Tony Jefferson.

SS - Matt Elam and Shawn Williams

I'm hopeful that we'll be able to draft one of these players.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993208]Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.[/quote]I don't have anything against Thomas, as I said I think both can play FS. When you watch them play in college Elam has played more center field single high Cover 1/3 FS and that is the traditional role of a 'true' FS in the NFL.
Thomas played more like a 'money' LB/NB that plays in the box and matches up 1-on-1 vs a TE, RB or Slot player.

[quote]That said, I would gladly take either one of them.[/quote]Agreed.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

I think Amerson has the skillset to be an NFL CB.
I like most of the S in the class tho. My favorite prospects are: Reid, Elam, Phillip Thomas, TJ McDonald, Swearinger, Duke Williams and Rashard Hall. I view those guys as making the easiest transition to NFL FS.
But I like these guys too: Vaccaro, Cyprien and Rambo but I view them more as SS types.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993208]I think of Matt Elam more as a SS because he is such a great tackler and because he is 5-10.

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

FS - Kenny Vaccaro, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson (I think he'll be a FS in the pros), Baccari Rambo, and Tony Jefferson.

SS - Matt Elam and Shawn Williams

I'm hopeful that we'll be able to draft one of these players.[/quote]

I agree this safety class is deep. I love Cyrpien to add to your FS list. And a lot of scouts are high on JJ Wilcox, whom the skins have talked to already.

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For those who said draft Nick Florence, per rotoworld


Baylor QB Nick Florence will not pursue a career in the NFL.
"I've decided to hang up my cleats and finish my master’s in December," Florence said. "My wife and I have spent the last one and a half months talking about it, and it all came down to what we wanted in life, and it didn't include playing football." It is an interesting choice, since far worse players have retired before entering the NFL, but it is refreshing to see this kind of life choice made prior to the draft.

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[quote=musicmaster45;993740]For those who said draft Nick Florence, per rotoworld


Baylor QB Nick Florence will not pursue a career in the NFL.
"I've decided to hang up my cleats and finish my master’s in December," Florence said. "My wife and I have spent the last one and a half months talking about it, and it all came down to what we wanted in life, and it didn't include playing football." It is an interesting choice, since far worse players have retired before entering the NFL, but it is refreshing to see this kind of life choice made prior to the draft.[/quote]

Wow. I'm actually pretty shocked. He, I thought, had a future in the NFL holding Clipboards and occasionally play. I figured we could pick him up as a FA and see if he was worth keeping to develop behind RG3 just like at Baylor.

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[quote=musicmaster45;993740]For those who said draft Nick Florence, per rotoworld


Baylor QB Nick Florence will not pursue a career in the NFL.
"I've decided to hang up my cleats and finish my master’s in December," Florence said. "My wife and I have spent the last one and a half months talking about it, and it all came down to what we wanted in life, and it didn't include playing football." It is an interesting choice, since far worse players have retired before entering the NFL, but it is refreshing to see this kind of life choice made prior to the draft.[/quote]

I can't imagine any profession that can match the earning potential of a back-up QB in the NFL. Not to mention the networking opportunities in broadcasting. Strange/wrong decision imo.

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[quote=30gut;993620]I don't have anything against Thomas, as I said I think both can play FS. When you watch them play in college Elam has played more center field single high Cover 1/3 FS and that is the traditional role of a 'true' FS in the NFL.
Thomas played more like a 'money' LB/NB that plays in the box and matches up 1-on-1 vs a TE, RB or Slot player.

Agreed.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

I think Amerson has the skillset to be an NFL CB.
I like most of the S in the class tho. My favorite prospects are: Reid, Elam, Phillip Thomas, TJ McDonald, Swearinger, Duke Williams and Rashard Hall. I view those guys as making the easiest transition to NFL FS.
But I like these guys too: Vaccaro, Cyprien and Rambo but I view them more as SS types.[/quote]
Funny you view Vaccaro, Cyprien, and Rambo more strong Safety. When Rambo is the best in this class playing one deep (FS), Vaccaro probably the most versatile safety, and Cyprien probably got the best read and react skills in this draft.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1523062-washington-redskins-potential-2013-nfl-draft-radar-sanders-commings]Washington Redskins Potential 2013 NFL Draft Radar: Sanders Commings | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/02/11/morning-pixels-rgiii-reaches-out-to-tyrann-mathieu/]Morning Pixels: RGIII reaches out to Tyrann Mathieu[/url]

Reading Tea Leaves

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[quote=GWinSkins83;993792]Funny you view Vaccaro, Cyprien, and Rambo more strong Safety. When Rambo is the best in this class playing one deep (FS), Vaccaro probably the most versatile safety, and Cyprien probably got the best read and react skills in this draft.[/quote]Umm okay...then I find it funny you don't share my view? lol *scratches head over your approach to this disucssion*
If all the above are facts as you present them to be then I don't see room for discussion.

HTTR (needless to say I disagree)

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;993949][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/02/11/morning-pixels-rgiii-reaches-out-to-tyrann-mathieu/]Morning Pixels: RGIII reaches out to Tyrann Mathieu[/url]

Reading Tea Leaves[/QUOTE]

Unless he gets to the 6th round I'll pass on the tea leaves. He has headaches written all over him.