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Dunno, looks like they change the offense some every game? I'd imagine the play book for next year will be 10?

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[quote=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/quote]

They got a QB who can do anything/everything, right?

I'm not arguing, just answering. Your point is RG3 fits any scheme, right?

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Not my point

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[quote=SmootSmack;971526]Not my point[/quote]

...which is?

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Just re-watched the game and few things really stand out...

- The Giants were really sloppy all game, and our defense gets at least half the credit.

- It was the defense's best game of the season, both scheme and execution. Haslett had near perfect balance of shutting down the run, which NY felt it had to have to win btw, and creating pressure. If Haslett's goal all along was to make us a top run defense first than I'm a Haslett fan after all. We're damn good against the run. Pass defense still has a long way to go. We need a great FS, and if we can upgrade CB all the better. I think if Haslett could get an elite NT and FS this defense would be in the top 5 though.

- Hall blew coverage on Cruz, but outside Champ and Revis what CB wouldn't once in a game? Also noticed Kerrigan let up on a few pass plays where he could have at least put the heat on Manning. Watched them over few times and I think he might be hesitating to contain the outside, but that doesn't make any sense against Manning. Kerrigan needs to be more aggressive.

- Offensive play-calling and scheme were as brilliant as the defense. This is the first game IMO where the execution blew more plays than scheme/play-calling. Pass blocking was real sketchy in the 1st half but improved a lot in the 2nd half. Can't remember if that's a pattern, anyone?

- Niles Paul has no business being in the game on offense. Inconsistent blocker, inconsistent hands, nuthin special route-running. Cooley should be back in football shape, play him and Lunch pail Logan, leave Paul on the sidelines please.

- Mike has to waive the white flag on his Banks project. C'mon man, this team has a lot going for it right now, give in on this one.

- RG missed a wide open Moss in the 4th quarter that would have ended the game, and on the next play threw a bad ball. Can't remember him "missing" on two plays in a row, which is another way of saying RG is beyond amazing. Even P Manning threw 3 INTs in a single quarter earlier in the season.

- This team thinks it can win, and that's all that really matters sometimes.

I really like our team right now. For all my skepticism of the regime and Shanahans have to admit I haven't enjoyed football this much since '07.

And eff the Giants. Hope this thing really comes together for us, and then we meet NY in the playoffs and kick their a$$.

So, against the Packers the Giants were back on track to the Superbowl but when we beat the Giants it's because they're in a slump?

There is to many flopping of opinions each week.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971414]So this past off-season, and seasons past, the argument was "Mike and Kyle are so stubborn. They'll never adjust their offense to the QB's talents"

So what's the reasoning now?[/quote]Well, now that hes jumped Jim Zorn in career winning percentage with the Redskins, I'd just put him in the Hall of Fame tomorrow.

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[quote=Gtothearry;971549]So, against the Packers the Giants were back on track to the Superbowl but when we beat the Giants it's because they're in a slump?

There is to many flopping of opinions each week.[/quote]

The error of recency.

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[quote=GTripp0012;971561]Well, now that hes jumped Jim Zorn in career winning percentage with the Redskins, I'd just put him in the Hall of Fame tomorrow.[/quote]

I love to start off the day lmao and this did it. Thanks GTripp! Sarcasm is so underated. :) I will say this is the best 3 week stretch I can remember in a very, very, long time and everyone from the top down seems to have stepped it up a bit. HTTR!!!

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Right because Shanny should have started winning immediately with the roster he was left. As an organization ready to win right away. Because Shanny didnt say we need 5 years, he said playoffs right away.

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[quote=Chico23231;971617]Right because Shanny should have started winning immediately with the roster he was left. As an organization ready to win right away. Because Shanny didnt say we need 5 years, he said playoffs right away.[/quote]

:doh:

He inherited a better defense than what he's put together, and inherited a better offense up until RG3 came onboard.

But keep the nonsense coming...now that Shanahan has overtaken Zorn history is ripe to be rewritten lol.

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[quote=The Goat;971734]:doh:

[B]He inherited a better defense than what he's put together, and inherited a better offense [/B]up until RG3 came onboard.

But keep the nonsense coming...now that Shanahan has overtaken Zorn history is ripe to be rewritten lol.[/quote]

:doh: Are you effing serious? The defense at best is debateable (but still noooo) but the offense?

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Zorn's in KC, right?

[QUOTE=12thMan;971736]Zorn's in KC, right?[/QUOTE]

Yes qb coach

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proven methods

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[quote=The Goat;971734]:doh:

He inherited a better defense than what he's put together, and inherited a better offense up until RG3 came onboard.

But keep the nonsense coming...now that Shanahan has overtaken Zorn history is ripe to be rewritten lol.[/quote]

you know the shannys actually did ok with REX right? you really do remember this eh? like seriously? jim zorns magic offense?!?!?! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL that is RICH.

i remember the days when our offense just couldnt be stopped with devin thomas and malcolm kelly. JUGGERNAUT BITCHES!

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[quote=pwned;971757]you know the shannys actually did ok with rex right? You really do remember this eh? Like seriously? Jim zorns magic offense?!?!?! Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool that is rich.

I remember the days when our offense just couldnt be stopped with devin thomas and malcolm kelly. Juggernaut bitches![/quote]


hahahahahaha...

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Shanny definitely inherited a better offense.

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:laughing2

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[quote=PWNED;971757]you know the shannys actually did ok with REX right? you really do remember this eh? like seriously? jim zorns magic offense?!?!?! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL that is RICH.

[B]i remember the days when our offense just couldnt be stopped with devin thomas and malcolm kelly. JUGGERNAUT BITCHES[/B]![/quote]

If only Zorn had had Gaffney ... championship.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;971800]If only Zorn had had Gaffney ... championship.[/quote]a true visionary, it's not too late for the chiefs. i'll email zorn, you tweet gaffney.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;971800]If only Zorn had had Gaffney ... championship.[/quote]

I don't think there was truly any hope for Zorn. He was prone to fail. Not even Jabar Gaffney would have been able to help us.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;971800]If only Zorn had had Gaffney ... championship.[/quote]

he really did move the chains. id give up a late round pick to get him back. he on any teams? :pimp:

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Enjoyed watching the game was nervous but WE WON.

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[quote=PWNED;971819]he really did move the chains. id give up a late round pick to get him back. he on any teams? :pimp:[/quote]

Team free agency would be happy to take a late round pick to get Gaffney!

:laughing-

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I see Goat getting laughed at is still a common

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[quote=The Goat;971540]Just re-watched the game and few things really stand out...

- The Giants were really sloppy all game, and our defense gets at least half the credit.

- It was the defense's best game of the season, both scheme and execution. Haslett had near perfect balance of shutting down the run, which NY felt it had to have to win btw, and creating pressure. If Haslett's goal all along was to make us a top run defense first than I'm a Haslett fan after all. We're damn good against the run. Pass defense still has a long way to go. We need a great FS, and if we can upgrade CB all the better. I think if Haslett could get an elite NT and FS this defense would be in the top 5 though.

- Hall blew coverage on Cruz, but outside Champ and Revis what CB wouldn't once in a game? Also noticed Kerrigan let up on a few pass plays where he could have at least put the heat on Manning. Watched them over few times and I think he might be hesitating to contain the outside, but that doesn't make any sense against Manning. Kerrigan needs to be more aggressive.

- Offensive play-calling and scheme were as brilliant as the defense. This is the first game IMO where the execution blew more plays than scheme/play-calling. Pass blocking was real sketchy in the 1st half but improved a lot in the 2nd half. Can't remember if that's a pattern, anyone?

- Niles Paul has no business being in the game on offense. Inconsistent blocker, inconsistent hands, nuthin special route-running. Cooley should be back in football shape, play him and Lunch pail Logan, leave Paul on the sidelines please.

- Mike has to waive the white flag on his Banks project. C'mon man, this team has a lot going for it right now, give in on this one.

- RG missed a wide open Moss in the 4th quarter that would have ended the game, and on the next play threw a bad ball. Can't remember him "missing" on two plays in a row, which is another way of saying RG is beyond amazing. Even P Manning threw 3 INTs in a single quarter earlier in the season.

- This team thinks it can win, and that's all that really matters sometimes.

I really like our team right now. For all my skepticism of the regime and Shanahans have to admit I haven't enjoyed football this much since '07.

And eff the Giants. Hope this thing really comes together for us, and then we meet NY in the playoffs and kick their a$$.[/quote]

I'll have to go back and see the Moss play. It doesn't ring a bell

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;971907]I'll have to go back and see the Moss play. It doesn't ring a bell[/QUOTE]

Yeah he was getting flushed and Moss had slipped through coverage and was wide open waving to Griff.

[QUOTE=punch it in;971909]Yeah he was getting flushed and Moss had slipped through coverage and was wide open waving to Griff.[/QUOTE]

Yea, one of the rare misses. I guarantee he will learn from that and hit it later this year.

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[quote=The Goat;971540]Just re-watched the game and few things really stand out...

- The Giants were really sloppy all game, and our defense gets at least half the credit.

- It was the defense's best game of the season, both scheme and execution. Haslett had near perfect balance of shutting down the run, which NY felt it had to have to win btw, and creating pressure. If Haslett's goal all along was to make us a top run defense first than I'm a Haslett fan after all. We're damn good against the run. Pass defense still has a long way to go. We need a great FS, and if we can upgrade CB all the better. I think if Haslett could get an elite NT and FS this defense would be in the top 5 though.

- Hall blew coverage on Cruz, but outside Champ and Revis what CB wouldn't once in a game? Also noticed Kerrigan let up on a few pass plays where he could have at least put the heat on Manning. Watched them over few times and I think he might be hesitating to contain the outside, but that doesn't make any sense against Manning. Kerrigan needs to be more aggressive.

- Offensive play-calling and scheme were as brilliant as the defense. This is the first game IMO where the execution blew more plays than scheme/play-calling. Pass blocking was real sketchy in the 1st half but improved a lot in the 2nd half. Can't remember if that's a pattern, anyone?

- Niles Paul has no business being in the game on offense. Inconsistent blocker, inconsistent hands, nuthin special route-running. Cooley should be back in football shape, play him and Lunch pail Logan, leave Paul on the sidelines please.

- Mike has to waive the white flag on his Banks project. C'mon man, this team has a lot going for it right now, give in on this one.

- RG missed a wide open Moss in the 4th quarter that would have ended the game, and on the next play threw a bad ball. Can't remember him "missing" on two plays in a row, which is another way of saying RG is beyond amazing. Even P Manning threw 3 INTs in a single quarter earlier in the season.

- This team thinks it can win, and that's all that really matters sometimes.

I really like our team right now. For all my skepticism of the regime and Shanahans have to admit I haven't enjoyed football this much since '07.

And eff the Giants. Hope this thing really comes together for us, and then we meet NY in the playoffs and kick their a$$.[/quote]

I have to say this is truly a strong post and I agree with just about all of it. Welcome to the bright side Goat.

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yeah, banks can be tossed overboard. not to be too harsh, but he's not helping us and he's wasting that roster spot.

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[quote=punch it in;971909]Yeah he was getting flushed and Moss had slipped through coverage and was wide open waving to Griff.[/quote]

Really smart play on Tana's part. I've seen receivers just stop on plays like that instead of continuing and giving their QB a chance to make a play.

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This is what Jaws had to say about our defense today on PTI.

Wilbon: We don't talk about the Redskins defense much Jaws, but what did they do to Eli Manning, cuz this wasn't entirely RG3. The Redskins defense had a hand in this.

Jaws: Mike you're absolutely right and I'm glad we're talking about that Redskins defense. You know when you lose Orakpo and Carriker, two dominant players in the NFL, you gotta do some things differently. You gotta scheme your defense and that's exactly what Haslett's done. They rushed eleven different players at Eli Manning on Monday night, and[B] I have never seen Eli as confused in the pre-snap phase[/B]. He struggled against a well-designed defense that executed well against the Giants. So some props for Jim Haslett.

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Good job Haslett. Keep it going! Has he just realized he needs to do this???

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NFL network, 2 people picked us to win out..

So we will lose 3/4 lol

[QUOTE=53Fan;971917]Really smart play on Tana's part. I've seen receivers just stop on plays like that instead of continuing and giving their QB a chance to make a play.[/QUOTE]

Nah hes just a me guy lookin to pad his stats. Lol.
Good point man - hadnt looked at it that way but yes - he was watching Griff run for his life and realized the safeties were gonna peel back and it would have been a td for sure had Griff seen it.

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[quote=Gtothearry;971913]Yea, one of the rare misses. I guarantee he will learn from that and hit it later this year.[/quote]

It's a good bet. Tana's pretty short though lol...

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[quote=53Fan;971921]Good job Haslett. Keep it going! Has he just realized he needs to do this???[/quote]

Old dog learning new tricks?

[QUOTE=53Fan;971921]Good job Haslett. Keep it going! Has he just realized he needs to do this???[/QUOTE]

Maybe the players are just executing.

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[quote=53Fan;971921]Good job Haslett. Keep it going! Has he just realized he needs to do this???[/quote]

I'm still not sold on our defense.

We need to get hits on the QB. WE NEED SACKS. We need BETTER COVERAGE. I personally think the Giants just beat themselves on Monday. They were driving on us from one end of the field all the way to the red zone and their drives would either result in a field goal, or would be an incomplete off the finger tips pass, to force a punt.

Haslett still needs to go at the end of the year.

And like I said, our offense is now our defense, because we've gotten so good teams are going to try what the Giants did; long drive to keep our offense off the field.