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MTK 07-22-2013 02:36 PM

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[quote=FRPLG;1016241]"He has the makeup to be great, but defenses will be more prepared for his style of play."

Huh? Did the d-coordinators get a rule passed to have 12 guys on the field instead of 11. How will they be "more" prepared? Good luck.[/quote]

Yeah and apparently RG3 will be playing at the same exact level that he did as a rookie. He won't be improved in making reads and getting the ball out quicker. And the coaches won't adjust the offense any to stay a step ahead of the defenses.

skinsfaninok 07-22-2013 02:56 PM

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He's basically saying griff cant beat teams passing which is stupid because he did it last yr

NYCskinfan82 07-22-2013 05:21 PM

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[url=http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=1043]The View from Austin: Will Character Be the Difference? | hailRedskins.com[/url]

Just something to read before this Thread is locked and the TC one is opened.

CRedskinsRule 07-22-2013 06:24 PM

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1016254][url=http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=1043]The View from Austin: Will Character Be the Difference? | hailRedskins.com[/url]

Just something to read before this Thread is locked and the TC one is opened.[/quote]

Great article!

From it:

[quote][B]The success of the 2012 Redskins was built on character, grit and determination[/B]. It was not built on a squad of healthy, blue-chip players. Faced with an $18 million cap penalty, the coaching staff and front office had to field the best team they could afford. Early in the season, key injuries on defense left the unit in shambles. With no pass rush, and a cobbled-together secondary, the Redskins finished near dead last in passing yards allowed. Pierre Garcon, our prized number one receiver went down in the 1st game, and disappeared for the first half of the season. We had an exciting, but unproven quarterback in Robert Griffin III, and a 6th round running back from Florida Atlantic earning a starting spot over a gimpy Helu. Given these obstacles, the team should have finished 4-12 to 7-9 at best. That obviously didn’t happen.[/quote]Emphasis mine

I don't know why the pundits and mags don't see this fact. Personally, I don't think Dallas has the talent it used to, but it clearly isn't a team first environment. When I look at Dallas, I see the Skins of last decade, with a better qb. The Giants understand the team concept, and it took them to the SB 2 times with an effective qb. Our team is sold on it, and we have both an elite/superstar qb, and a backup who has so far seemed to be at least effective, if not above average.

Griffin may get hurt again - I hope not because watching him play is so exciting, and even inspiring - but I don't think that dooms the team, I think the players would rally, and step up even more. We saw it last year. I don't know how long a cohesive team stays together in the modern NFL, but to this point our FO, coaching, and players all are acting like they get the importance of it.

RedskinRat 07-22-2013 06:55 PM

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^ for sure.

HailGreen28 07-22-2013 06:59 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1016209][I]"Don’t be surprised if Robert Griffin III experiences a sophomore slump in 2013."[/I]

Apparently some people still don't understand what makes RG3 tick.[/quote]RG3's game is kinda interesting in a few ways. One thing that got me, and maybe some of the "talking heads" haven't realized it:

In the New Orleans season opener, I was amazed how well Griffin was throwing the slant pass, threading the needle, especially on play-action. As the season went on, Griffin kept zipping the ball in there just out of reach of defenders hands (our R's did a great job reaching up and behind to grab some of those fastballs too, lol) And LBs and safeties were jumping on those routes more and more.

By then I figured it was luck that we weren't getting picked off, and worried we were gonna get our receivers killed and give INTs because defenses had figured it out. Yet Griffin kept throwing and beating defenders, and I finally realized "Wow, it's not luck. RGIII really is that good."

Maybe the "TV talking heads" see those risky passes, the way he fakes people out with the handoffs, and thinks like I had that defenses will figure it out. And maybe the TV folk haven't realized like I have (and probably everybody here figured out before I did, lol) that yeah RGIII isn't perfect, but how he did it last season, was because he really is that good.

HTTR

REDSKINS4ever 07-22-2013 11:21 PM

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102.4 QBR as a rookie. 3rd highest QB rating in the NFL. Just simply phenomenal!

scowan 07-23-2013 09:59 AM

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I kept my ESPN The Magazine 2012 NFL preview issue from last year. I was cleaning out some old magazines last night (at the wife's request) and found it. I love to look back at their bone head predictions. The Redskins were suppose to go 2-14 according to ESPN and Dallas was suppose to win the division with the Eagles coming in 2nd.

And for all these media types that say, "NFL Defenses have had a year to figure Griffin out", I say this, the Read/Option and the playaction have been around forever and its all about getting the LBs to stay up near the line so you can throw over their head. They can't be in two places at once, so there is nothing to figure out. You either go for the fake or you don't. The only thing to figure out is if you stop the run and force the Redskins into obvious passing situations where no one goes for the play action because you know they "have " to pass. If your running game consistently gets 4-5 yards per play, you have to honor the run and the pass, which means you have to guess. Griffin has been doing this stuff since college, so its new to you as an LB but old to him, and he usually makes the right decision.

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 10:18 AM

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This ^

MTK 07-23-2013 10:22 AM

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[quote=HailGreen28;1016263]RG3's game is kinda interesting in a few ways. One thing that got me, and maybe some of the "talking heads" haven't realized it:

In the New Orleans season opener, I was amazed how well Griffin was throwing the slant pass, threading the needle, especially on play-action. As the season went on, Griffin kept zipping the ball in there just out of reach of defenders hands (our R's did a great job reaching up and behind to grab some of those fastballs too, lol) And LBs and safeties were jumping on those routes more and more.

By then I figured it was luck that we weren't getting picked off, and worried we were gonna get our receivers killed and give INTs because defenses had figured it out. Yet Griffin kept throwing and beating defenders, and I finally realized "Wow, it's not luck. RGIII really is that good."

Maybe the "TV talking heads" see those risky passes, the way he fakes people out with the handoffs, and thinks like I had that defenses will figure it out. And maybe the TV folk haven't realized like I have (and probably everybody here figured out before I did, lol) that yeah RGIII isn't perfect, but how he did it last season, was because he really is that good.

HTTR[/quote]

I agree, he would be great in just about any system. His success isn't [I]because[/I] of the read option or all the play-action, he makes it work because yeah... he's just that good.

MTK 07-23-2013 10:25 AM

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Great response to Benoit's lame analysis of Griffin and the Skins offense:

[url=http://httr24-7.com/film-room/film-sessions-hitting-the-quarterback-is-a-stupid-way-to-stop-the-read-option/]Film Sessions: Hitting The Quarterback Is A Stupid Way to Stop the Read-Option[/url]

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 10:55 AM

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Good read

FRPLG 07-23-2013 10:55 AM

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I legit think skill-set wise RGIII is probably the most gifted QB in league history. Sounds silly to say but who does he compare to? Steve Young is probably the closest. I'm not saying he's the "best" QB ever...that's a distinction indexed to quality and longevity...but rather the most gifted in terms of ability. If we can keep him healthy and put a capable team with him it is going to be magic for a long time.

REDSKINS4ever 07-23-2013 01:17 PM

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Will the Redskins wear the burgundy pants this year? Does anyone know?

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 01:39 PM

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^ I hope so

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 01:41 PM

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[quote=FRPLG;1016320]I legit think skill-set wise RGIII is probably the most gifted QB in league history. Sounds silly to say but who does he compare to? Steve Young is probably the closest. I'm not saying he's the "best" QB ever...that's a distinction indexed to quality and longevity...but rather the most gifted in terms of ability. If we can keep him healthy and put a capable team with him it is going to be magic for a long time.[/quote]


I agree with u, Mike Vick was a crazy great athlete but he is no where near the passer RG3 is. Griffin can do it all, he is very accurate and has a cannon for an arm. NTM His ridiculous speed

SkinzWin 07-23-2013 02:04 PM

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The nice folks at ESPN still won't let it go.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9502056/art-monk-darrell-green-washington-redskins-mull-change]Art Monk, Darrell Green -- Washington Redskins should mull change - ESPN[/url]

SmootSmack 07-23-2013 02:10 PM

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[quote=SkinzWin;1016337]The nice folks at ESPN still won't let it go.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9502056/art-monk-darrell-green-washington-redskins-mull-change]Art Monk, Darrell Green -- Washington Redskins should mull change - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Yup, it's only ESPN that's mentioned their radio interview. No one else has brought it up. Not Fox Sports, not CBS Sports, not Sports Illustrated...no one...

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 02:15 PM

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Y wont DG and AM let it go?

MTK 07-23-2013 02:19 PM

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They were probably just asked about it and they offered their opinion, it's not like either of them are out there leading the charge to have the name changed.

irish 07-23-2013 02:31 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016341]Yup, it's only ESPN that's mentioned their radio interview. No one else has brought it up. Not Fox Sports, not CBS Sports, not Sports Illustrated...no one...[/quote]

WTOP brought it up.

MTK 07-23-2013 02:34 PM

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Garcon was asked about it today and he said the name shouldn't change. Rich Gannon agreed. Boom, Green and Monk are cancelled out.

RGIII 07-23-2013 03:06 PM

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The "Good Ol' Boys" have taught you guys well. Bravo.

Chico23231 07-23-2013 03:11 PM

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[quote=RGIII;1016352]The "Good Ol' Boys" have taught you guys well. Bravo.[/quote]

What's that?

donofriose 07-23-2013 03:11 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016341]Yup, it's only ESPN that's mentioned their radio interview. No one else has brought it up. Not Fox Sports, not CBS Sports, not Sports Illustrated...no one...[/quote]

It was just added on the front page of CBS Sports NFL.
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22857587/darrell-green-art-monk-say-redskins-should-consider-name-change]Darrell Green, Art Monk say Redskins should consider name change - CBSSports.com[/url]

Wouldn't mind a name change at this point so people would stop talking about it.

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 03:20 PM

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[quote=RGIII;1016352]The "Good Ol' Boys" have taught you guys well. Bravo.[/quote]


If it was that bad it would have been changed years ago.

mbedner3420 07-23-2013 03:32 PM

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Does anyone else find the name cowboys sexist? Why don't they change their name?

SmootSmack 07-23-2013 03:47 PM

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[quote=irish;1016349]WTOP brought it up.[/quote]

I know. And all the sites I mentioned above had it. I was being sarcastic

donofriose 07-23-2013 03:51 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016360]I know. And all the sites I mentioned above had it. I was being sarcastic[/quote]

My bad. Its hard reading sarcasm.

NC_Skins 07-23-2013 09:40 PM

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Are we still talking about a god damn name change?

The 25th can't come soon enough.

mbedner3420 07-23-2013 09:50 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1016387]Are we still talking about a god damn name change?

The 25th can't come soon enough.[/quote]

That won't stop mike florio from announcing every single high school that decides to change it's name...

MTK 07-23-2013 09:58 PM

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[quote=mbedner3420;1016388]That won't stop mike florio from announcing every single high school that decides to change it's name...[/quote]

lol sad but true.

He really won't let it go, but that's always been his way, to pick at every scab any team has.

skinsfaninok 07-23-2013 10:00 PM

That and the damn RG3 knee. Even as a skins fan that shit gets old

SmootSmack 07-23-2013 10:32 PM

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[quote=mbedner3420;1016388]That won't stop mike florio from announcing every single high school that decides to change it's name...[/quote]

It's laughable that he even compares the situations

NC_Skins 07-23-2013 10:39 PM

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[quote=mbedner3420;1016388]That won't stop mike florio from announcing every single high school that decides to change it's name...[/quote]


What's the over/under on Mike Wise showing up at Skins training camp wearing native-american shirts, while standing behind a player giving a interview?

CultBrennan59 07-23-2013 10:46 PM

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[YT]NJXGtXA0Cf8[/YT]

artmonkforhallofamein07 07-24-2013 01:07 AM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1016393][YT]NJXGtXA0Cf8[/YT][/quote]

This guy gets it.

HTTR! Honestly if we get all of things he highlighted at the end, I believe we can contend for a championship.

irish 07-24-2013 07:26 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016360]I know. And all the sites I mentioned above had it. I was being sarcastic[/quote]

My fault, I didnt pick up on the sacasim.

SkinzWin 07-24-2013 09:34 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016341]Yup, it's only ESPN that's mentioned their radio interview. No one else has brought it up. Not Fox Sports, not CBS Sports, not Sports Illustrated...no one...[/quote]

Haha, I know I hit a nerve there Smoot, but I never said it was only them. I'm just tired of seeing this stuff. Now they are pulling Redskins greats into it. At least they were kinda passive about it. Green more so than Monk.

SkinzWin 07-24-2013 09:39 AM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1016392]What's the over/under on Mike Wise showing up at Skins training camp wearing native-american shirts, while standing behind a player giving a interview?[/quote]

About as high as the chance that an unsuspecting Redskins fan "accidentally" turns around and "clotheslines" Mr. Wise on accident.


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