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[quote=Gary84Clark;1069820]Verette got a lil bit of b**ch in him.[/quote]

Expound on Verrett, please.

I like Kyle Fuller too. I think he could definitely develop into a shutdown outside corner. Drafting him and then potentially having Amerson as the #1 with Fuller as #2 in 2015 would be pretty sweet. What would make it even sweeter would be if Thomas could be the starting SS that year. I don't think there's a very big chance Fuller's available at #34, though.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1069822]If he is still around at 34 pick that guy and be done with it.[/QUOTE]


Notes on Deone Bucannon



Weaknesses:
More of a strong safety
Lacks range to be a free safety
Could be a liability in pass coverage
Can take false steps
Can he cover tight ends, slot receivers?
Stiff, could struggle to turn and run with receivers
Overly aggressive, penalties

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Was listening the NFL radio today and the analysts (Salomon Wilcox and the other guy) said he was moving up draft boards and could be the best safety in the draft behind Clinton.

I did not realise he was more of a SS than a FS, which is the position we need. A true FS.

Dion Bailey out of USC can play both

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[quote=SirLK26;1069823]Expound on Verrett, please.

I like Kyle Fuller too. I think he could definitely develop into a shutdown outside corner. Drafting him and then potentially having Amerson as the #1 with Fuller as #2 in 2015 would be pretty sweet. What would make it even sweeter would be if Thomas could be the starting SS that year. I don't think there's a very big chance Fuller's available at #34, though.[/quote]


5-9 torn, labrum - He is not a thrower that mean he gets slung around.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1069829]5-9 torn, labrum - He is not a thrower that mean he gets slung around.[/quote]

No, not like that. I was more wondering what your previous post about him meant. If you meant it in a good way, as in, he's got a nasty streak on the field, I agree. But nothing about his character seems b***** to me at all.

[quote]Verrette got a lil bit of b**ch in him[/quote]

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[quote=SirLK26;1069830]No, not like that. I was more wondering what your previous post about him meant. If you meant it in a good way, as in, he's got a nasty streak on the field, I agree. But nothing about his character seems b***** to me at all.[/quote]

I meant slight size and thin hips.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1069831]I meant slight size and thin hips.[/quote]

Ah, okay. Never thought of him like that before. LOL.

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[quote=SirLK26;1069832]Ah, okay. Never thought of him like that before. LOL.[/quote]

Yeah, that's funny. Man now I can't help but think about that take on him when I see him play now.

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I cant say it often enough....our first pick needs to be an offensive lineman.
If Bobby Griffinator is truly brilliant, then hes going to need a little time to be brilliant.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1069836]I cant say it often enough....our first pick needs to be an offensive lineman.

If Bobby Griffinator is truly brilliant, then hes going to need a little time to be brilliant.[/QUOTE]


Antonio Richardson will be there in the third round though and he could be just as good as anyone there in the 2nd. So we could snag someone for our defense in the 2nd.

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Negative ghost rider, the pattern is full.

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Pick 34 has the potential to turn o-line, db, ilb, or te into team strengths.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1069838]Negative ghost rider, the pattern is full.[/QUOTE]


So you are convinced that Moses is better than Richardson. Lets remember that Moses did all his "dominating" in the ACC. Richardson played in the SEC and held his own against Clowney. We could have Richardson and a top flite CB since the db's are so deep in this draft.

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Moses?
LOL
Richardson?
I've done nothing to analyze these guys.
Take a break....

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[quote=punch it in;1069828]Dion Bailey out of USC can play both[/quote]

really ? Bailey played LB for 2 years at USC

[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1069844]really ? Bailey played LB for 2 years at USC[/QUOTE]


Yeah after Kiffin left he went back to his natural position of safety. So you can add versatility to his resume.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1069843]Moses?

LOL

Richardson?

I've done nothing to analyze these guys.

Take a break....[/QUOTE]


Take a break? Dont know what you mean.
As far as your comment about needing to take an olineman with our first pick who did you have in mind? I know you havent analyzed them but qualified individuals have and Moses and Richardson are getting high marks.
Edit: you seemed to be against the idea of passing on a 2nd round olineman for a third. Im just pointing out two of the obvious OT's that will be there in those spots.

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The worst, Worst, WORST, WOOOORRRRRRSSSSSTTTTTT thing the Redskins can do is take a player at a a position "of need" at #34 (such as Right Tackle) when that player doesn't deserve to be taken that high, just to say they "filled a need"

34th Overall Pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1069857]The worst, Worst, WORST, WOOOORRRRRRSSSSSTTTTTT thing the Redskins can do is take a player at a a position "of need" at #34 (such as Right Tackle) when that player doesn't deserve to be taken that high, just to say they "filled a need"[/QUOTE]


Agreed to an extent. I just feel like RG-3's health is a huuuuuge "need". This is why I would be thrilled if they went best available at say ilb or dback - at 34 and than snatch up a guy like Antonio Richardson in the third. I also think Seantrel Hendersen out of the U could be a real surprise.
Edit: i think you have to mesh best available with filling a need to have a great draft.
Edit : hendersen would of course be a late round pick.

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[quote=punch it in;1069859]Agreed to an extent. I just feel like RG-3's health is a huuuuuge "need". This is why I would be thrilled if they went best available at say ilb or dback - at 34 and than snatch up a guy like Antonio Richardson in the third. I also think Seantrel Hendersen out of the U could be a real surprise.
Edit: i think you have to mesh best available with filling a need to have a great draft.
Edit : hendersen would of course be a late round pick.[/quote]

the only surprise would be if Henderson stays out of trouble

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seantrel_Henderson]Seantrel Henderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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Basically I am good to go with any position on defense, and if a stud O player is there at 34 we should be prepared to draft him.

[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1069860]the only surprise would be if Henderson stays out of trouble



[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seantrel_Henderson]Seantrel Henderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/QUOTE]


I know all about him. Dont have to read the link. He smoked some weed and had a car accident. Who hasnt? Lol.
I firmly believe he has matured enough to make a career for himself in the NFL. If he gets the rite people around him and a chance he can be an absolutely dominant player in the NFL. With our need at the position, he could be well worth a 5-6 round pick.

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[quote=punch it in;1069862]I know all about him. Dont have to read the link. He smoked some weed and had a car accident. Who hasnt? Lol.
I firmly believe he has matured enough to make a career for himself in the NFL. If he gets the rite people around him and a chance he can be an absolutely dominant player in the NFL. With our need at the position, he could be well worth a 5-6 round pick.[/quote]


the guy could not finish his pro day, and was suspended 3 times at Miami.. ... just wait until he gets some money. Someone will take a chance on him, the Redskins cannot afford to.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/miami-tackle-seantrel-henderson-cant-finish-workout/]Miami tackle Seantrel Henderson can’t finish workout | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1069866]the guy could not finish his pro day, and was suspended 3 times at Miami.. ... just wait until he gets some money. Someone will take a chance on him, the Redskins cannot afford to.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/miami-tackle-seantrel-henderson-cant-finish-workout/]Miami tackle Seantrel Henderson can’t finish workout | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Take a chance on him with a free agent contract.

[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1069866]the guy could not finish his pro day, and was suspended 3 times at Miami.. ... just wait until he gets some money. Someone will take a chance on him, the Redskins cannot afford to.



[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/miami-tackle-seantrel-henderson-cant-finish-workout/]Miami tackle Seantrel Henderson can’t finish workout | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]


Plenty of players who have had bad pro days or a run of trouble that worked out. Plenty who were perfect at pro day and did not work out.
Hey Im saying draft him in the 5-6 round. If he doesnt cut it in camp than he doesnt cut it. In the late rounds the risk is low.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069857]The worst, Worst, WORST, WOOOORRRRRRSSSSSTTTTTT thing the Redskins can do is take a player at a a position "of need" at #34 (such as Right Tackle) when that player doesn't deserve to be taken that high, just to say they "filled a need"[/quote]

agree

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1069870]Take a chance on him with a free agent contract.[/quote]

no problem with that, who would you have mentoring him ?

............................................................

Alfred Morris was a 6th round pick, I would take my chances on finding another player who is humble,and hungry

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1069870]Take a chance on him with a free agent contract.[/QUOTE]


Well see if you believe in him you draft him late. Who is to say someone else wont or that someone else wont offer him a FA contract?
Edit: i bet alot of teams are kicking themselves now for not drafting Vontaze Burfict.

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[quote=punch it in;1069859]Agreed to an extent. I just feel like RG-3's health is a huuuuuge "need". This is why I would be thrilled if they went best available at say ilb or dback - at 34 and than snatch up a guy like Antonio Richardson in the third. I also think Seantrel Hendersen out of the U could be a real surprise.
Edit: i think you have to mesh best available with filling a need to have a great draft.
Edit : hendersen would of course be a late round pick.[/quote]

Agree with your first edit. But I think too many people simply say we need a right tackle! And I don't agree with that because we need a lot of things, and if a right tackle isn't the best player when it's time for us to draft then we'd be making a mistake taking a right tackle.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069886]Agree with your first edit. But I think too many people simply say we need a right tackle! And I don't agree with that because we need a lot of things, and if a right tackle isn't the best player when it's time for us to draft then we'd be making a mistake taking a right tackle.[/quote]

I agree with you there, and it doesnt look like RT will be the best player st #34

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1069886]Agree with your first edit. But I think too many people simply say we need a right tackle! And I don't agree with that because we need a lot of things, and if a right tackle isn't the best player when it's time for us to draft then we'd be making a mistake taking a right tackle.[/QUOTE]


I was originally one of those people. I admit it. I was wanting a RT at all costs. As the draft gets closer and I start really looking at who is out there I agree with you and Quake. Moses or any other RT is probably not the best available at 34 . I will say that in the third round I am going to lean more towards the draft for need side because As I have said before - Polumbus will get Griff killed in Pass Pro this year, and maybe we can atleast light a fire under his arse by making him play for his job by bringing in a young RT.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1069857]The worst, Worst, WORST, WOOOORRRRRRSSSSSTTTTTT thing the Redskins can do is take a player at a a position "of need" at #34 (such as Right Tackle) when that player doesn't deserve to be taken that high, just to say they "filled a need"[/quote]

I certainly agree. Its a balance of need and best player available and I say we have 7 positions of need: Safety, Corner, Tackle, Guard, TE, OLB, and DE. At 34, you can safely eliminate Tackle and TE as most likely talent available at that spot. I think the strongest prospects available at that spot will be OLB and Guard.

I think its true that reaching for a need is unwise, but what worse is getting a position we dont need at 34 ie WR. And particularly the kids from Vandy and Clemson (not Watkins). They are projects and end of bench guys. Thats a much worse mistake imo.

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[quote=Chico23231;1069906]I certainly agree. Its a balance of need and best player available and I say we have 7 positions of need: Safety, Corner, Tackle, Guard, TE, OLB, and DE. At 34, you can safely eliminate Tackle and TE as most likely talent available at that spot. I think the strongest prospects available at that spot will be OLB and Guard.

I think its true that reaching for a need is unwise, but what worse is getting a position we dont need at 34 ie WR. And particularly the kids from Vandy and Clemson (not Watkins). They are projects and end of bench guys. Thats a much worse mistake imo.[/quote]

If we go pure BPA, IMO we pick a center or guard at 34 (or thereabouts). Add NT to the mix if Nix falls. The best safeties, corners, tackles, OLB's, and TE's will be off the board, but the best center and guard in the draft (and maybe NT) might still be there.

Such would be ok with me. I'm not rooting for a particular position, I just want us to be smart.

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Starting to come around to a Jimmie Ward/Phillip Thomas safety combo.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1069950]Starting to come around to a Jimmie Ward/Phillip Thomas safety combo.[/quote]

Odd choice of having a two strong safety combo on the field at the same time...

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[quote=Chico23231;1069906]I certainly agree. Its a balance of need and best player available and I say we have 7 positions of need: Safety, Corner, Tackle, Guard, TE, OLB, and DE. At 34, you can safely eliminate Tackle and TE as most likely talent available at that spot. I think the strongest prospects available at that spot will be OLB and Guard.

I think its true that reaching for a need is unwise, but what worse is getting a position we dont need at 34 ie WR. And particularly the kids from Vandy and Clemson (not Watkins). They are projects and end of bench guys. Thats a much worse mistake imo.[/quote]

in the mock drafts I have seen there is not much difference between #34 and #41 +. So if they can trade down and add another player it is a no brainier. I agree with the 7 positions, and would add a center to the list.

Bleacher report has :

#41 Moses T
#47 Su'a Filo G
#48 Nix NT
#51 Buchannon S
late 2nd Van Noy OLB
late 2nd Murphy DE
late 2nd Niklas TE

If their mock draft is accurate they could get one of the players above, and add a 3rd round pick, and get two of these three:

Ward S
Reynolds S
Richardson T
Turner G/T
Thomas G/T
Bitonio G/T

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[quote=mbedner3420;1069957]Odd choice of having a two strong safety combo on the field at the same time...[/quote]

Except for the fact that Jimmie Ward projects more to a FS in the NFL

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It would be nice if there was a complete list of rankings of the FS in this draft.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1069964]It would be nice if there was a complete list of rankings of the FS in this draft.[/quote]


not the best list, but here you go:

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/FS]NFL Draft - 2014 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/SS]NFL Draft - 2014 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

I am not sure some of the SS are not FS