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You have to rush the passer in order to be successful in this league bottom line. Orakpo is our guy in rushing the passer. The performances of our DEs our not helping Orakpo and Kerrigan be successful as he should be.

Riley doesnt, hasnt made game changing plays; Orakpo has.

We need to bring both back. Im not opposed to Franchising Orakpo if a deal cant get done, actually would perfer it.

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I wouldn't gloss it over by saying Orakpo makes game changing plays.
Orakpo makes plays that help us to not lose so badly.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1059633]I wouldn't gloss it over by saying Orakpo makes game changing plays.
Orakpo makes plays that help us to not lose so badly.[/quote]

When Orakpo goes to the Jets, Pats or Steelers people are going to be livid when they see the sack totals.

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[quote=Chico23231;1059642]When Orakpo goes to the Jets, Pats or Steelers people are going to be livid when they see the sack totals.[/quote]

The Steelers and Pats usually do not sign high dollar free agent LB's. They draft a ton of Lb's and promote from with in.

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[quote=Chico23231;1059642]When Orakpo goes to the Jets, Pats or Steelers people are going to be livid when they see the sack totals.[/quote]

Come on, Chico, you know better than that. The Skins are going to Franchise Orakpo. You said so yourself.

It would look bad if the Skins didn't make some sort of perfuctory attempt to sign him to a long-term deal. So they'll tag him and enter into negotiations for a long-term deal. But they really shouldn't sign him long-term and they won't. They'll just try to make it look good and then pay him for one year.

Meanwhile, the Skins need to find ways to generate more pressure from other players, as well, if they want to get the most out of Orakpo. He is not Lawrence Taylor but, with a little help, he can be even more effective in rushing the passer.

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[quote=Defensewins;1059648]The Steelers and Pats usually do not sign high dollar free agent LB's. They draft a ton of Lb's and promote from with in.[/quote]

Well I think the Steelers have cap problems righ tnow, so I highly doubt they'd be able to sign anyone.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1059657]Come on, Chico, you know better than that. The Skins are going to Franchise Orakpo. You said so yourself.

It would look bad if the Skins didn't make some sort of perfuctory attempt to sign him to a long-term deal. So they'll tag him and enter into negotiations for a long-term deal. But they really shouldn't sign him long-term and they won't. They'll just try to make it look good and then pay him for one year.

Meanwhile, the Skins need to find ways to generate more pressure from other players, as well, if they want to get the most out of Orakpo. He is not Lawrence Taylor but, with a little help, he can be even more effective in rushing the passer.[/quote]

If we lose Orakpo it will be another Carlos Rogers, Laron Laundry situation for sure. Leave here and excell somewhere else. We've seen that too much in the last 20 years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1059660]Well I think the Steelers have cap problems righ tnow, so I highly doubt they'd be able to sign anyone.[/quote]

I've hear it might be peaceout time for Woodley.

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When did this become Riley vs Orackpo? Why can't we be happy and attempt to get both?

Riley is only one piece of the two we need in a 3/4. I feel like we need to go and and make a move for someone like Butler. If we don't make a move for someone with his skill set. We should be drafting Christian Jones from Florida State.

Philadelphia beat us because we lack the speed on defense. Dallas always abuses us with their TE's. We need athletic LB's in the middle to win the NFC East.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1059660]Well I think the Steelers have cap problems righ tnow, so I highly doubt they'd be able to sign anyone.[/quote]

That is correct and New England only has $5M. According to the source below.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/premium/research/nfl/projected-2014-nfl-team-cap-space-420/]UPDATED: Projected 2014 NFL Team Cap Space[/url]

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[quote=Bucket;1059664]When did this become Riley vs Orackpo? Why can't we be happy and attempt to get both?

Riley is only one piece of the two we need in a 3/4. I feel like we need to go and and make a move for someone like Butler. If we don't make a move for someone with his skill set. We should be drafting Christian Jones from Florida State.

Philadelphia beat us because we lack the speed on defense. Dallas always abuses us with their TE's. We need athletic LB's in the middle to win the NFC East.[/quote]

Yer darn tootin!

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[quote=Bucket;1059664]When did this become Riley vs Orackpo? Why can't we be happy and attempt to get both?

Riley is only one piece of the two we need in a 3/4. I feel like we need to go and and make a move for someone like Butler. If we don't make a move for someone with his skill set. We should be drafting Christian Jones from Florida State.

Philadelphia beat us because we lack the speed on defense. Dallas always abuses us with their TE's. We need athletic LB's in the middle to win the NFC East.[/quote]

I think you're right we need both Riley and Orakpo. I also think you're right about Butler. He would be an excellent signing for our defense.

Where did this Riley or Orakpo stuff come from? Some sports blogger speculation? Well, they've got to produce copy, you know, even if it is nonsensical.

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Highly likely Rak and Riley both return IMO.

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[quote=Bucket;1059664]When did this become Riley vs Orackpo? Why can't we be happy and attempt to get both?

Riley is only one piece of the two we need in a 3/4. I feel like we need to go and and make a move for someone like Butler. If we don't make a move for someone with his skill set. We should be drafting Christian Jones from Florida State.

Philadelphia beat us because we lack the speed on defense. Dallas always abuses us with their TE's. We need athletic LB's in the middle to win the NFC East.[/quote]


We need to make it a priority to keep both. Riley is likely better than any FA we can get at that position. He's going to be known as one of the top LBs in the NFL soon.

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Looks like D Hall and the Redskins reached a contract deal. 4 years.

Can't find the link yet. Got the text on my phone.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1059706]Looks like D Hall and the Redskins reached a contract deal. 4 years.

Can't find the link yet. Got the text on my phone.[/quote]

4 yr deal approx $5M per

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Started a new thread. Figured it was thread worthy. I know people are going to lose their shit over the price tag.

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Not sure if I like giving him 4 years, but I am glad we resigned him. I remember last year many WP members were in favor of letting him go, and then he had a good season. Hopefully he continues to play well.

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[quote=Defensewins;1059625]Your post IS factual. It is great to hear from someone that understands how to play LB. The majority of others only measure LB's by sacks, regardless of how bad a LB does not comply with his other positional responsibilities. Setting an edge against the run, containment, pass coverage, interceptions are just as important as sacks. What good is a sack or 10 if you are not holding your position down.
Orakpo is a one trick pony IMO (pass rush and only one pass rush move) and played well at the end of last season because he is playing for a contract. He has missed a TON of time due to injury and he got hurt again last season.
He is not worth a big salary cap hit. We can do better.
I am a former LB and watching Orakpo play is frustrating to watch because he has holes in his game. He is selfish. He goes for the sack rather than reading a play. Orakpo is not a good LB, he is a small DE playing LB. He does not have the mental ability to play LB.
The only argument GTripp has is pass rush and that is it.
As Seattle and SF (the two best teams in the by far) proved, is as much as the powers that be want the NFL to be a passing league, come playoffs and Superbowl, run the ball/be balanced and play lights out defense and you will win. Sacks and passing stats are the sexy stats and they sell newspapers, but running the ball and defense wins championships.
Given Dan Snyder's reputation as an NFL owner, the last thing we need to do is over pay for a player that has holes in his game. If we can Orakpo for cheap, great, keep him. Orakpo will not come for cheap. Let him walk.[/quote]

Pretty much disagree with everything here.

-He's been consistently productive his entire career, not just in a contract year.

-He missed one season out of five due to injury.

-He's a better all around LB than some fans give him credit for and he's improved in coverage. He's also solid vs the run.

-If we don't lock him up there will be plenty of teams more than willing to get their hands on him long term.

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[quote=Mattyk;1059734]Pretty much disagree with everything here.

-He's been consistently productive his entire career, not just in a contract year.

-He missed one season out of five due to injury.

-He's a better all around LB than some fans give him credit for and he's improved in coverage. He's also solid vs the run.

-If we don't lock him up there will be plenty of teams more than willing to get their hands on him long term.[/quote]

Bad value. Orakpo is on a 3-13 team. This not the time for a team in this position to overpay an decent rush LB, his pass coverage may have improved but it was terrible
Let another team sign him, it's time to move on from this experiment, he's an undersized rush end.
He was injured the season before the year he missed, and in that previous year his pectoral was partially torn for half the year and was largely ineffective.

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what game are you guys watching on sunday? orakpo is a top tier FA, and franchise QBs, LTs, and elite pass rushers don't get onto the market often.

check his sack % (sack per pass rush attempt), it's good, even with doubles.

peyton manning was on a 1-15 team, obviously they should have cut him on the spot, cause it's impossible for anyone to be a good player on a bad team.

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[QUOTE=whistler;1059751]Bad value. Orakpo is on a 3-13 team. This not the time for a team in this position to overpay an decent rush LB, his pass coverage may have improved but it was terrible

Let another team sign him, it's time to move on from this experiment, he's an undersized rush end.

He was injured the season before the year he missed, and in that previous year his pectoral was partially torn for half the year and was largely ineffective.[/QUOTE]


This injury thing with him is tiring.

This is what really happened. He got injured in week 17 of 2011, re-injured it in week 2 of 2012. He missed 14 games in 2012. Outside of that he's missed just 2 other games.

He's made multiple Pro Bowls, safe to say LB is not just an experiment.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1963661-washington-redskins-cant-let-brian-orakpo-go]Washington Redskins Can't Let Brian Orakpo Go | Bleacher Report[/url]

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Good teams keep players like Brian Orakpo.

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[quote=Mattyk;1059756]This injury thing with him is tiring.

This is what really happened. He got injured in week 17 of 2011, re-injured it in week 2 of 2012. He missed 14 games in 2012. Outside of that he's missed just 2 other games.

He's made multiple Pro Bowls, safe to say LB is not just an experiment.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1963661-washington-redskins-cant-let-brian-orakpo-go]Washington Redskins Can't Let Brian Orakpo Go | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Well said. There are 31 other teams in the league who would love to have an "experiment" at LB like Brian Orakpo. Re-signing him is an absolute necessity. Any argument to the contrary is crazy in my opinion.

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Orakpo is going to 1) get a long term deal -OR- 2) get the franchise tag. He will not be on another squad this season. I guar-on-tee it. I heard on the radio this morning that the skins and orakpo's people have been pass dollar amount back and forth to find a common ground. It will happen, just takes time.

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^ He'll get tagged to give us more time to work on the extension.

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there's no way we can let him walk, so if no deal, of course the tag.

Bye, Fred.

What a waste of talent. Indefinitely suspended? Wow.....

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059853]Bye, Fred.

What a waste of talent. Indefinitely suspended? Wow.....

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk[/quote]

Definition of a loser. Davis is the type of player that makes fans hate athletes. So much talent, so many opportunities, so much unfulfilled promise. I usually shy away from making personal assessments but dude is just a complete loser. I can't think of another word to describe him with.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;1059787]Well said. There are 31 other teams in the league who would love to have an "experiment" at LB like Brian Orakpo. Re-signing him is an absolute necessity. Any argument to the contrary is crazy in my opinion.[/quote]

The skins only have 30 mil in cap space and have numerous needs, If orakpo can be had for 6-7 mil per, that'll allow them to fill some holes maybe but, LBs are usually the heart of special teams and it'll limit them in quality depth, the thing that they've been needing.
He's really not a good value at that number. Hopefully the skins will realize that he's not a top shelf LB and let him walk if he wants more than 7 mil,

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[quote=whistler;1059751]Bad value. Orakpo is on a 3-13 team. This not the time for a team in this position to overpay an decent rush LB, his pass coverage may have improved but it was terrible
Let another team sign him, it's time to move on from this experiment, he's an undersized rush end.
He was injured the season before the year he missed, and in that previous year his pectoral was partially torn for half the year and was largely ineffective.[/quote]

I agree, paying Orakpo 1 million dollars per sack is crazy. He is inconsistent, and disappears to often to be considered a premier OLB. The Redskins have plenty of positions to fill, and could get 2 or 3 good free agents instead of giving a big contract to Orakpo.

Also, does anyone know the details of the D.Hall contract. I heard only 4 or 5 million of the contract was guaranteed

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[quote=whistler;1060006]The skins only have 30 mil in cap space and have numerous needs, If orakpo can be had for 6-7 mil per, that'll allow them to fill some holes maybe but, LBs are usually the heart of special teams and it'll limit them in quality depth, the thing that they've been needing.
He's really not a good value at that number. Hopefully the skins will realize that he's not a top shelf LB and let him walk if he wants more than 7 mil,[/quote]

He will not take 6-7 million a year, he is going to want around 10 million per year. While I dont think he is worth it he will get it, IMO we will franchise him and try to work out a contract. If that can't be done then he will play for the tag price, Haslett loves Rak just like Hall. So I see him back at close to what he wants.

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[quote=whistler;1060006]The skins only have 30 mil in cap space and have numerous needs, If orakpo can be had for 6-7 mil per, that'll allow them to fill some holes maybe but, LBs are usually the heart of special teams and it'll limit them in quality depth, the thing that they've been needing.
He's really not a good value at that number. Hopefully the skins will realize that he's not a top shelf LB and let him walk if he wants more than 7 mil,[/quote]

I don't see how letting Orakpo go will help them fix their holes. All I see happening is the team creating another problem. Orakpo is a good OLB and the best pass rusher on the team. Is he Quinn or Mathis? No. But he is still a good football player that good teams wouldn't let go. I don't think he deserves a 60 million dollar deal, I believe the skins should franchise him. HOpefully they end up doing that.

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[quote=donofriose;1060026]I don't see how letting Orakpo go will help them fix their holes. All I see happening is the team creating another problem. Orakpo is a good OLB and the best pass rusher on the team. Is he Quinn or Mathis? No. But he is still a good football player that good teams wouldn't let go. I don't think he deserves a 60 million dollar deal, I believe the skins should franchise him. HOpefully they end up doing that.[/quote]

If they franchise him that's 1/3 of the available cap room? He's not worth it!

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[quote=donofriose;1060026]I don't see how letting Orakpo go will help them fix their holes. All I see happening is the team creating another problem. Orakpo is a good OLB and the best pass rusher on the team. Is he Quinn or Mathis? No. But he is still a good football player that good teams wouldn't let go. I don't think he deserves a 60 million dollar deal, I believe the skins should franchise him. HOpefully they end up doing that.[/quote]

franchise tag will cost about 11 million, that leaves 20-30 million(they can gain cap room by cutting OL/DL) for 4 OL 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 DL, 2 LBs, 1 CB , 1 S

7 free agents, and 5 good draft picks... which would be a first

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[quote=Irrefutable;1060038]franchise tag will cost about 11 million, that leaves 20-30 million(they can gain cap room by cutting OL/DL) for 4 OL 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 DL, 2 LBs, 1 CB , 1 S

7 free agents, and 5 good draft picks... which would be a first[/quote]Orakpo has never been worth 11 million per year.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1060038]franchise tag will cost about 11 million, that leaves 20-30 million(they can gain cap room by cutting OL/DL) for 4 OL 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 DL, 2 LBs, 1 CB , 1 S

[B]7 free agents, and 5 good draft picks... which would be a first[/B][/quote]

Bruce Allen said that he wanted to add [U]20[/U] new players to the team. That is a very large number of players to add in one offseason. If he indeed adds that many new players, more than half of them would probably be UFA's. That's going to require alot of cap space, which makes me wonder if signing Orakpo is a good idea for a team that finished 3-13 last season and is planning to make alot of personnel changes during the offseason.

I doubt that the Skins can or even want to sign Orakpo to a multi-year deal. So, to me, the only question for the Skins about Orakpo is "Can we improve the defense more by tagging Orakpo for $11M or by signing two mid-tier FA's to more favorable, longer-term contracts?".

The Skins need alot of help on defense but we have Jackson and Jenkins at OLB, so the cupboard isn't bare at that position. I'm starting to wonder if the Skins might just let Orakpo walk in favor of picking up two good players at other positions.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1060085]Bruce Allen said that he wanted to add [U]20[/U] new players to the team. That is a very large number of players to add in one offseason. If he indeed adds that many new players, more than half of them would probably be UFA's. That's going to require alot of cap space, which makes me wonder if signing Orakpo is a good idea for a team that finished 3-13 last season and is planning to make alot of personnel changes during the offseason.

I doubt that the Skins can or even want to sign Orakpo to a multi-year deal. So, to me, the only question for the Skins about Orakpo is "Can we improve the defense more by tagging Orakpo for $11M or by signing two mid-tier FA's to more favorable, longer-term contracts?".

The Skins need alot of help on defense but we have Jackson and Jenkins at OLB, so the cupboard isn't bare at that position. I'm starting to wonder if the Skins might just let Orakpo walk in favor of picking up two good players at other positions.[/quote]

Either sign Orakpo or draft his repalcement. KI you got me confused. You want your back up QB to be top notch and then go cheap at linebacker. I would do the opposite. Go top notch at LB and go cheap at back up QB. if we release Orakpo we could trade Cousins and use the pick we get for him to move up to draft another Orakpo type player.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1060085]Bruce Allen said that he wanted to add [U]20[/U] new players to the team. That is a very large number of players to add in one offseason. If he indeed adds that many new players, more than half of them would probably be UFA's. That's going to require alot of cap space, which makes me wonder if signing Orakpo is a good idea for a team that finished 3-13 last season and is planning to make alot of personnel changes during the offseason.

I doubt that the Skins can or even want to sign Orakpo to a multi-year deal. So, to me, the only question for the Skins about Orakpo is "Can we improve the defense more by tagging Orakpo for $11M or by signing two mid-tier FA's to more favorable, longer-term contracts?".

The Skins need alot of help on defense but we have Jackson and Jenkins at OLB, so the cupboard isn't bare at that position. I'm starting to wonder if the Skins might just let Orakpo walk in favor of picking up two good players at other positions.[/quote]


You over value Cousins and devalue Orakpo. IMO

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We should sign Connor Shaw to a free agent contract to take Cousins place.