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I could of swore there was a report about a month ago saying BA said draft is not deep in WR's.

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If a deal goes through can't wait to hear what McNasty has to say about it. The shegles traded him and he's mad at the SKINS.

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He always was and always will be an effing clown. I HATE, HATED AND WILL MCNABB so much more the Desean... Least I have respect for DJAX talent ... McNabb was never anything great. Ever.

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We may have snagged him.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/41644/DeSean-Jackson-to-Redskins-reportedly-a--done-deal-/Default.aspx]DeSean Jackson to Redskins reportedly a "done deal"[/url]

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Just for a second on this debate about whether DJax will be good for us. He had 82 catches and 1339 yards for the Eagles, but you have to remember that line was DOMINANT. And I mean effing dominant. It made Nick Foles look like Tom Brady.

I know we've made some moves along the line but we will not enjoy the same success. Now I guess Griffin's escapability may help there. But we should not expect DJax to put up pro bowl numbers this season.

That said his impact on the team will still be huge and is a must sign. His numbers would only go up over time with us as our line gets better.

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[QUOTE]PASSING STATS
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008 16 265 434 61.1 3,440 7.93 16 70 11 2 73.6 87.7
2009 14 263 451 58.3 2,916 6.47 22 90 14 5 58.5 80.9
2010 16 357 571 62.5 3,705 6.49 28 46 9 3 70.6 91.0
2011 16 347 566 61.3 4,177 7.38 29 80 12 5 69.9 92.2
2012 16 422 615 68.6 4,719 7.67 32 80 14 2 74.8 99.1
2013 16 439 651 67.4 4,515 6.94 26 81 17 4 61.1 89.6
Career 94 2,093 3,288 63.7 23,472 7.14 153 90 77 21 69.7 90.6
[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11237/matt-ryan]Matt Ryan Stats - Atlanta Falcons - ESPN[/url]
[/QUOTE]


After Julio Jones was signed in 2011 and Atlanta had 2 high profile WR's, Matt Ryan's passing game exploded & went from averaging 3000-3500 yards to closer to 4500-4700 yards. If/when we sign DJax, I suspect we might expect a similar big jump in RG3's production. We may even have an advantage in that we have a much better running game to go with this.

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Agreed. I know given our history this will probably blow up in our face but let's just enjoy this for one day!:food-smil

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[quote=Schneed10;1066462]Just for a second on this debate about whether DJax will be good for us. He had 82 catches and 1339 yards for the Eagles, but you have to remember that line was DOMINANT. And I mean effing dominant. It made Nick Foles look like Tom Brady.

I know we've made some moves along the line but we will not enjoy the same success. Now I guess Griffin's escapability may help there. But we should not expect DJax to put up pro bowl numbers this season.

That said his impact on the team will still be huge and is a must sign. His numbers would only go up over time with us as our line gets better.[/quote]

Foles is legit. And signing DJax will make the Skins 4th in the league in spending at the WR position, which is one of the least important positions on the field. With time to throw, anyone can get open. Without it no one can get open.. not even DJax.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1066456]We may have snagged him.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/41644/DeSean-Jackson-to-Redskins-reportedly-a--done-deal-/Default.aspx]DeSean Jackson to Redskins reportedly a "done deal"[/url][/quote]

multiple twitter reports saying the same thing

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[quote=44Deezel;1066467]Foles is legit. And signing DJax will make the Skins 4th in the league in spending at the WR position, which is one of the least important positions on the field. With time to throw, anyone can get open. Without it no one can get open.. not even DJax.[/quote]


Have to disagree on that one. If that is the case why are receivers so important to Peyton and Tom Brady?

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[quote=donofriose;1065981]Depends how much. You can't tie up so much cap room in two skill position guys like Garcon and Jackson.[/quote]

But haven't you watched the Super Bowl the last 10 years? It's always the team with the best Wide Receivers who win it.

Remember all those great Patriots Receivers? Or future hall of famers David Tyree and Mario Manningham for the Giants?

We should totally sign him. Makes total sense.

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Spending multiple draft picks to get RG3 and then not giving him some of the best receivers and linemen would be "not smart".

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[quote=44Deezel;1066467]Foles is legit. And signing DJax will make the Skins 4th in the league in spending at the WR position, which is one of the least important positions on the field. With time to throw, anyone can get open. Without it no one can get open.. not even DJax.[/quote]

Foles is absolutely not legit. You could not be more wrong. When you have that much time to throw, any QB in the league can carve up the defense. Hell we've seen Rex Grossman have great games when he gets protection. If you're an NFL QB and you can't throw with a clean pocket, you got troubs.

Foles is a sound decision maker, I'll say that for him. But he was not getting rid of the ball crisply last season, he just had that much time behind that line.

And least important positions on the field? Absolutely not. WR is one of the more important positions on the field. Ask the 49ers or Cowboys dynasties what Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin meant to them. Ask the Greatest Show on Turf what Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt meant. Ask Eli how he felt about having Plaxico vs not having Plaxico. And ask Matt Ryan how last season went without Julio Jones.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1066469]Have to disagree on that one. If that is the case why are receivers so important to Peyton and Tom Brady?[/quote]

They're not. Brady won 3 Super Bowls with low priced WRs. I'm all for having great Wide Receivers. Just not over-spending on them. And Manning makes his Receivers look better than they are. And how did his awesome Receivers help in the Super Bowl?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1066469]Have to disagree on that one. If that is the case why are receivers so important to Peyton and Tom Brady?[/quote]

Yeah good question. Why did Peyton have his best season last year? Could Demarius Thomas, Wes Welker, Eric Decker, and Julius Thomas have had anything to do with that?

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[quote=44Deezel;1066475]They're not. Brady won 3 Super Bowls with low priced WRs. I'm all for having great Wide Receivers. Just not over-spending on them. And Manning makes his Receivers look better than they are. And how did his awesome Receivers help in the Super Bowl?[/quote]

They lost that game at the line of scrimmage, not at the WR position.

When you get deep into the playoffs you have to have every unit clicking. You need a complete performance. The Broncos got dominated at the line of scrimmage and their WRs never had a chance.

I know what you're going to say - then take care of the line first. I can accept that. But you take the opportunity to improve your team when you can. Jason Peters wasn't just released, DeSean was. So we pounce.

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[quote=Schneed10;1066474]Foles is absolutely not legit. You could not be more wrong. When you have that much time to throw, any QB in the league can carve up the defense. Hell we've seen Rex Grossman have great games when he gets protection. If you're an NFL QB and you can't throw with a clean pocket, you got troubs.

Foles is a sound decision maker, I'll say that for him. But he was not getting rid of the ball crisply last season, he just had that much time behind that line.

And least important positions on the field? Absolutely not. WR is one of the more important positions on the field. Ask the 49ers or Cowboys dynasties what Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin meant to them. Ask the Greatest Show on Turf what Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt meant. Ask Eli how he felt about having Plaxico vs not having Plaxico. And ask Matt Ryan how last season went without Julio Jones.[/quote]

Different era. Teams win Super Bowls year in and year out now without over-spending on Wide Receivers. The Seahawks had Harvin for the Super Bowl, but won all year without him.

If being top 5 in WR spending was a common characteristic of Super Bowl winning teams over the last 10-15 years, I'd be all for it. It's a copycat league for a reason.

The Skins had a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago with the guys they already have on the roster. Unless he wants to sign on the cheap, I don't think it makes sense strictly from a business standpoint.

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[quote=Schneed10;1066477]They lost that game at the line of scrimmage, not at the WR position.

When you get deep into the playoffs you have to have every unit clicking. You need a complete performance. The Broncos got dominated at the line of scrimmage and their WRs never had a chance.

I know what you're going to say - then take care of the line first. I can accept that. But you take the opportunity to improve your team when you can. Jason Peters wasn't just released, DeSean was. So we pounce.[/quote]


That was a very good comment. A+ grade.

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[quote=Schneed10;1066477]They lost that game at the line of scrimmage, not at the WR position.

When you get deep into the playoffs you have to have every unit clicking. You need a complete performance. The Broncos got dominated at the line of scrimmage and their WRs never had a chance.

I know what you're going to say - then take care of the line first. I can accept that. But you take the opportunity to improve your team when you can. Jason Peters wasn't just released, DeSean was. So we pounce.[/quote]

I'm not against having good wide receivers, just over-spending on them. If you can get first round production for 6th round pay like the Skins do with Alfmo or the Giants did with Cruz, then great. Can't just pretend the salary cap doesn't exist.

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I'm conflicted on this one. The Skins definitely need a WR but this guy seems like an accident waiting to happen. I hope the Skins dont rush into a problem they dont need.

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Read that Jackson will at least get Eric Decker money.
I would expect us to release a couple players any minute now.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1066483]Read that Jackson will at least get Eric Decker money.
I would expect us to release a couple players any minute now.[/quote]

Wrong. Decker's first year cap hit was not bad. We have $7M in cap space. See posts earlier in this thread detailing how we can afford this.

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[quote=44Deezel;1066475]They're not. Brady won 3 Super Bowls with low priced WRs. I'm all for having great Wide Receivers. Just not over-spending on them. And Manning makes his Receivers look better than they are. And how did his awesome Receivers help in the Super Bowl?[/quote]


In the Super Bowl Manning failed his team. You can't figure out the defense like a calculus problem if the defense gets QB pressure. Peyton = "not rocket scientist", football = "not rocket science".

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[quote=irish;1066482]I'm conflicted on this one. The Skins definitely need a WR but this guy seems like an accident waiting to happen. I hope the Skins dont rush into a problem they dont need.[/quote]

that goes for every team who signs any player though. It could always end up bad. If it does though everyone will get all dramatic hell return hell do crazy things, we still have Pierre. Now that I think about it why not? The money is always a factor regardless.

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[quote=44Deezel;1066478]Different era. Teams win Super Bowls year in and year out now without over-spending on Wide Receivers. The Seahawks had Harvin for the Super Bowl, but won all year without him.

If being top 5 in WR spending was a common characteristic of Super Bowl winning teams over the last 10-15 years, I'd be all for it. It's a copycat league for a reason.

The Skins had a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago with the guys they already have on the roster. Unless he wants to sign on the cheap, I don't think it makes sense strictly from a business standpoint.[/quote]

To think there is one formula to winning a Super Bowl is terrible, and frankly uncreative thinking.

The Seahawks won with a dominating defense, run game, and a mobile QB. The Rams won with a wide open offense. The Giants won with clutch pocket passing and dominating defensive lines. The Steelers won with dominating defense and an improvising QB. The 2000 Ravens won with one of the best defenses of all time and a QB who simply didn't screw things up.

There's lots of ways to win. Why can't the team spend at WR, but get production on the cheap in the secondary? You can't spend everywhere, but what if David Amerson and Phillip Thomas turn into something? Just because it hasn't been the formula doesn't mean it can't be. Nobody thought mobile QBs could win until Russell Wilson did this year.

And you keep citing Tom Brady. Do you want to count on RG3 becoming as legendary as Brady? I love RG3 but damn that's a high bar you're setting.

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[quote=ethat001;1066463]After Julio Jones was signed in 2011 and Atlanta had 2 high profile WR's, Matt Ryan's passing game exploded & went from averaging 3000-3500 yards to closer to 4500-4700 yards. If/when we sign DJax, I suspect we might expect a similar big jump in RG3's production. We may even have an advantage in that we have a much better running game to go with this.[/quote]

It's funny you brought up Atlanta because I was thinking about how similar of a situation they had before trading for Julio Jones as to the Redskins situation right now (before signing DeSean).
Ignored glaring needs on defense and O-line. The temptation/potential of having an explosive offense (Matty Ice, Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Steven Jackson). The Falcons gave up two firsts, a second, and two fourths. It exploded alright, it blew up in their face as the team went 4-12 last season.
While we are not giving up any draft picks, we are giving up something just as valuable, a large amount of future cap space we could have used to fix the O-line and secondary. This is a team sport and we can not win with weak links in the chain. Plus as the two best teams in the NFL (Seattle and 49ers) helped to prove over and over again Defense (and balance on offense) wins Championships, not WR's.
We have to get more physical as a team. Punch people in the mouth and knock them down. DeSean is an amazing talent, but he is a luxury not a desperate need.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1066483]Read that Jackson will at least get Eric Decker money.
I would expect us to release a couple players any minute now.[/quote]

If we sign him for Eric Deckers contract, that is a BIGTIME deal for us. I won't believe it until I see it.

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[quote=44Deezel;1066481]I'm not against having good wide receivers, just over-spending on them. If you can get first round production for 6th round pay like the Skins do with Alfmo or the Giants did with Cruz, then great. Can't just pretend the salary cap doesn't exist.[/quote]

Who's to say that we can get 1st round production from a 6th rounder? That is extremely rare and we got lucky with Alf. We can't count on that happening again.

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[quote=Defensewins;1066502]It's funny you brought up Atlanta because I was thinking about how similar of a situation they had before trading for Julio Jones as to the Redskins situation right now (before signing DeSean).
Ignored glaring needs on defense and O-line. The temptation/potential of having an explosive offense (Matty Ice, Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Steven Jackson). The Falcons gave up two firsts, a second, and two fourths. It exploded alright, it blew up in their face as the team went 4-12 last season.[/quote]

Atlanta didn't have a running game whatsoever and their defense didn't have the potential that our D does (I'm thinking our 2012 D that had all of those takeaways). I am concerned about our o-line but a healthy RG3 made our o-line look decent. I'm hoping that and the threat of Garcon/DJax/Reed will help.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10708312/desean-jackson-moving-closer-deal-washington-redskins]DeSean Jackson moving closer to deal with Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url]

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The Redskins won in '87 and '91 with an excellent set of pass catchers that helped to lead the team. Yes we had a running game, and last time I checked we still have a good one. But we also had Clark, Sanders, and Monk. Those three did all kinds of things on offense to help alot of areas.

Not to mention we had one hell of a defense those years.

Say this move gets done. Well bang we have three good WR, a good RB, a LT, and some interchangeable pieces on the interior. Draft a RT. O is basically set unless Gruden wants to add speed at RB (which I think we have enough of in Helu)

You could realistically spend 4-5 other picks on the defensive side of the ball and pick up some quality depth, special team players, and hopefully 1-2 starters.

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And this cautionary post by John Keim of ESPN:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast]NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Good points made here but let's hope we don't have the same outcome as the Eddie Royal deal...

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is this a DS influenced move?

grant paulsen said on the junkies that in 2011 the DS went to shanahan and basically stood up on the table demanding that we sign randy moss and that shanahan said flatly no, he cant play football anymore.

it seems the DS loves big name receivers. thankfully the bengals bungaled the offer we made of 2 1st for ocho cinco.

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Very good breakdown by Matt Bowen:

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2011835-how-much-talent-does-desean-jackson-really-have]How Much Talent Does DeSean Jackson Really Have? | Bleacher Report[/url]

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I heard that as well [B]overthemountain[/B] . I'm concerned over the money but what he brings or can potentially bring to this offense is worth passing up. Hopefully we don't get burned with any deal to be honest, let alone this one. So, if he actually signs then Griffin will hardly ever see 8 man fronts.

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[quote=over the mountain;1066515]is this a DS influenced move?

grant paulsen said on the junkies that in 2011 the DS went to shanahan and basically stood up on the table demanding that we sign randy moss and that shanahan said flatly no, he cant play football anymore.

it seems the DS loves big name receivers. thankfully the bengals bungaled the offer we made of 2 1st for ocho cinco.[/quote]

Jay Gruden is a big, big, big fan of DeSean Jackson

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If this deal gets done, I would assume that we're going to transition to more of a pass first offense w/ Jackson, Garcon, Roberts and Reed. This is going to put a lot more pressure on Griffin to perform from the pocket. Just something to look out for...

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[quote=over the mountain;1066515]is this a DS influenced move?

grant paulsen said on the junkies that in 2011 the DS went to shanahan and basically stood up on the table demanding that we sign randy moss and that shanahan said flatly no, he cant play football anymore.

it seems the DS loves big name receivers. thankfully the bengals bungaled the offer we made of 2 1st for ocho cinco.[/quote]

I was at Ruth Chris last night as my GF bought these tickets to a sit down eat and drink with Morroco Brown and Scott Campbell. There were a few questions about his involvement. They danced around the question but basically said.."Dan's a fan, but so are Dwight Schaar and Fred Smith"...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1066528]I was at Ruth Chris last night as my GF bought these tickets to a sit down eat and drink with Morroco Brown and Scott Campbell. There were a few questions about his involvement. They danced around the question but basically said.."Dan's a fan, but so are Dwight Schaar and Fred Smith"...[/quote]

I love Ruth's Chris.

But I can't see why Dan wouldn't want a guy like DeSean. He'll sell tickets, that's for sure. Jersey sales will go up, etc.

Hopefully our vets can talk to him and bring him down to reality because his ego will get in the way.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1066528]I was at Ruth Chris last night as my GF bought these tickets to a sit down eat and drink with Morroco Brown and Scott Campbell. There were a few questions about his involvement. They danced around the question but basically said.."Dan's a fan, but so are Dwight Schaar and Fred Smith"...[/quote]

Sounds like an interesting dinner. Tell us more