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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1067473]As far as WR corps go, only Atlanta boasts a better 1/2/3 punch than Garcon, DJax, and Roberts. Chicago has a better 1/2 but is their 3 better than Roberts??[/quote]

I think we're grading a little bit differently. I was grading the WR groups as a whole. But it looks like you're comparing the #1's, then the #2's, then the #3's. Chicago's WR corps as a whole, for example, is far superior to ours. Brandon Marshall is an elite NFL WR, superior to Garcon; and Alshon Jeffery is an absolute beast, superior to DeSean Jackson. Our #3, Andre Roberts, is better than their #3(who is it anyway?), but Marshall and Jeffery are so good that Chicago's WR corps is still better. My two cents...

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1067475]If you're grading WR groups. IMO you have to take into account the QB, [B]you have Cleveland on that list who's there QB[/B].[/quote]

It will be Rex Grossman. Unleash the Dragon!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1067472]Houston has little support, Hopkins is not better than Jackson and Andre Johnson has regressed the last two seasons. I think you are overvaluing their overall group a bit.[/quote]

No way Dre regressed the past two seasons. Check the stats.

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[quote=SirLK26;1067480]I think we're grading a little bit differently. I was grading the WR groups as a whole. But it looks like you're comparing the #1's, then the #2's, then the #3's. Chicago's WR corps as a whole, for example, is far superior to ours. Brandon Marshall is an elite NFL WR, superior to Garcon; and Alshon Jeffery is an absolute beast, superior to DeSean Jackson. Our #3, Andre Roberts, is better than their #3(who is it anyway?), but Marshall and Jeffery are so good that Chicago's WR corps is still better. My two cents...[/quote]

While I agree with the fact that Chicago has a better all around corp, I was grading as a whole, and I have us 3rd behind the Bears and Falcons

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Watching D. Jax's interview on ESPN, his eyes getting red like he's going to cry. Barring injury he's going to BEAST it this season.

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I seriously hope this is all more than the past year's offseason wins. I know it absolutely seems like we got a set WR corps, but a part of me is starting to feel the winning the offseason vibe (even I know it's done a different way then we used to).

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1067484]Watching D. Jax's interview on ESPN, his eyes getting red like he's going to cry. Barring injury he's going to BEAST it this season.[/quote]

From the interview, I see a motivated individual, a guy with a chip and someone who is going to work hard to erase some of his past mistakes. People have questioned how well out locker room can handle DJax, there I also don't think it will be much of a problem. We have a good group of guys.

This whole deal is going to be awesome for the Skins.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1067483]While I agree with the fact that Chicago has a better all around corp, I was grading as a whole, and I have us 3rd behind the Bears and Falcons[/quote]

As a whole it's hard to put the Broncos under us with Welker, Thomas, Sanders + Manning. Also think if Nicks returns to form, him, Wayne, Hilton + Luck are pretty darn good.

I think we're all honeymooning a little bit. I'm happy we're in the conversation though that's for sure.

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[quote=TexSkins;1067482]No way Dre regressed the past two seasons. Check the stats.[/quote]

Regressed was a bad choice of a word, but even though he still Had 100 catches there were a few times that he looked 32, not enough to really worry you but anyways.

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[quote=Kindoy;1067488]As a whole it's hard to put the Broncos under us with Welker, Thomas, Sanders + Manning. Also think if Nicks returns to form, him, Wayne, Hilton + Luck are pretty darn good.

I think we're all honeymooning a little bit. I'm happy we're in the conversation though that's for sure.[/quote]

I dont think Sanders is that good and I was stricktly talking about WRs, I dont include the QB or the Line with the comparisons, and yes the Colts group could be dangerous as well.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1067489]Regressed was a bad choice of a word, but even though he still Had 100 catches there were a few times that he looked 32, not enough to really worry you but anyways.[/quote]

He's had to deal with Schaub and Keenum. Pair him with an elite QB and watch out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1067486]I seriously hope this is all more than the past year's offseason wins. I know it absolutely seems like we got a set WR corps, but a part of me is starting to feel the winning the offseason vibe (even I know it's done a different way then we used to).[/quote]

Wait until DJax throws his first drama fit. That'll bring the vibe back to earth.

Otherwise I am with you. I would have done a few things differently but overall the offseason has been good to us. I tend to trust this feeling because we (mostly) have not been signing flashy baubles but, instead, bringing in the lunch-pail types.

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I hope it's safe to say, that if our line can give Griffin even decent protection, Gruden ought to give us some fun offense to watch.

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[quote=TexSkins;1067491]He's had to deal with Schaub and Keenum. Pair him with an elite QB and watch out.[/quote]

He wont have an elite QB this year, Hopkins needs to develop as well, but as a whole I wouldnt rate them higher than us.

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On paper our WR corps looks great. Let the season play out before we put them in the top five. My confidence in this team has increased since the day mike was fired but chemistry has to be established first.

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I don't like off season rankings because they generally don't mean much.

It's easy to see that the corps is quite improved. After 4 games, there should be a definite feel about how good they can be.

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Andre Johnson, while an awesome individual and overall human being, HAS regressed the past 2 or three seasons. I always have him on my fantasy team, and he underwhelms more often than not if I remember correctly, and I think I do. And another thing. Stating that Brandon Marshall is definitively better than Pierre Garcon is a stretch. Garcon is coming into his own, and played awesome last season with average quarterback play. He isn't afraid of the middle, and is a load to bring down after the catch, with great speed. I'd say right now him and Marshall are neck and neck.

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i love garcon, but i'd say BM is right next to CJ as far as receivers. he's never had a great qb, but it hasn't stopped him.

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They both have good things going for them (garçon and Marshall). I watched a few games last year, and as good Marshall is he disappears at times. He is good but he is a lot of flash.

At this point as long as Jefferey is healthy I see him as surpassing BM. Just like Julio has done in Atlanta.

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1067480]I think we're grading a little bit differently. I was grading the WR groups as a whole. But it looks like you're comparing the #1's, then the #2's, then the #3's. Chicago's WR corps as a whole, for example, is far superior to ours. Brandon Marshall is an elite NFL WR, superior to Garcon; and Alshon Jeffery is an absolute beast, superior to DeSean Jackson. Our #3, Andre Roberts, is better than their #3(who is it anyway?), but Marshall and Jeffery are so good that Chicago's WR corps is still better. My two cents...[/QUOTE]


Stat wise they were all very similar last year. Garcon led the world in receptions. Yardage wise they were all extremely close. Td's Garcon was lacking but DJax had more than Jeffrey. So Im not sure how much more superior any of them are to any other at this moment in time. Id say that with Roberts in the mix at three we have the edge actually.

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[quote=punch it in;1067508]Stat wise they were all very similar last year. Garcon led the world in receptions. Yardage wise they were all extremely close. Td's Garcon was lacking but DJax had more than Jeffrey. So Im not sure how much more superior any of them are to any other at this moment in time. Id say that with Roberts in the mix at three we have the edge actually.[/quote]

You can't compare our WR crew to any other team's b/c 1. 2/3's of them weren't here last year so we don't know the effect they'll have on each other or the team as a whole and 2. Griffin was a mess last yr.

Glass half full...Griffin he repeats his 2012 season and Djax makes the middle a honey hole. That happens, we have a much better core than Chi town.

Anyone else notice how this thread has evolved way past the DJax signing?

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Brandon Marshall is more physical than Garcon, a stronger red zone threat. That's what separates him from Pierre.

Though I agree that Pierre is vastly underrated leaguewide, he's a bonafide #1.

Has it struck anybody how similar Pierre and Jackson are to Monk and Clark? Monk had the opportunity for so many catches because of the space created by Clark. Pierre will go ape this season.

I think Garcon is nothing short of a beast after the catch.

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[quote=punch it in;1067524]I think Garcon is nothing short of a beast after the catch.[/quote]i was watching the ravens game from 2012, he caught a screen and turned it into a near td running all the way across the field. he is absolutely amazing.

probably my favorite play of his was the thanksgiving catch (that he had to reach back for) and run for the td. he has BURNERS!

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[quote=punch it in;1067524]I think Garcon is nothing short of a beast after the catch.[/quote]

pretty sure he was #1 in YAC with 670 to CJ's 630 for #2. so yeah. beast.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1067503]Andre Johnson, while an awesome individual and overall human being, HAS regressed the past 2 or three seasons. I always have him on my fantasy team, and he underwhelms more often than not if I remember correctly, and I think I do. And another thing. Stating that Brandon Marshall is definitively better than Pierre Garcon is a stretch. Garcon is coming into his own, and played awesome last season with average quarterback play. He isn't afraid of the middle, and is a load to bring down after the catch, with great speed. I'd say right now him and Marshall are neck and neck.[/quote]

As complete a player as Garçon is, I still think the edge goes to Marshall.

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[quote=Schneed10;1067523]Brandon Marshall is more physical than Garcon, a stronger red zone threat. That's what separates him from Pierre.

Though I agree that Pierre is vastly underrated leaguewide, he's a bonafide #1.

Has it struck anybody how similar Pierre and Jackson are to Monk and Clark? Monk had the opportunity for so many catches because of the space created by Clark. Pierre will go ape this season.[/quote]

Yes, I thought about that almost immediately. Now if we can get a set of hogs, and dexter, Wilbur, Mann and Green on defense... Championship!

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[quote=TexSkins;1067498]On paper our WR corps looks great. Let the season play out before we put them in the top five. My confidence in this team has increased since the day mike was fired but chemistry has to be established first.[/quote]

At least this time if Garcon has trouble staying healthy the receiving corps won't become nearly the liability it has been in past years. For a while now I've believed that WR's need QB's exponentially more then QB's need them.

However during a QB's formative years the benefit of talent at the receiver position is much more pronounced than when they become fully developed. In other words before you can have a QB reach the Manning/Brees/Brady level of turning scrubs into pro bowlers it's critical to have guys that can 'bail out' a young QB, if for nothing more then to help maintain a high level of confidence in the developing QB.

For example with Manning he benefitted tremendously from having Wayne and Harrison as well as Edgerrin James before reaching the level where he was producing seasons with three thousand yard receivers and encouraging people to put Brandon Stokley on their fantasy team. In more recent times we've seen the impact that Julio Jones and Roddy White have had on Matt Ryan turning him from an ultra efficient game manager into a top teir passer.

For us RG3 has shown us he can produce with a solid at best receiving corps so it'll be interesting to see what he can do with the current stable of receivers.

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I agree, our WR's are amazing on paper. But we really can't be in the conversation for the best WR corps until we hit the field. WR's are made from the QB play, offensive scheme and offensive line protection. If we prove those things, we will be considered among the best.

I think the interesting part will be what happens if times are tough. If/when we're winning, it's easy. If we have a bad couple of games -- how will DJax and our team respond. Will they stick together or start pointing fingers...

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A guy like Marshall or Andre may have size on Pierre. But they dont have his jets. Not comparing but Pierre often finds seperation, on an elite level. Pierre is key on what made the Jax pickup so ridiculous for us because we already had a playmaker. Hes by far the most underrated #1 wr in the league. Its his heart and work ethic. Not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. Im not gonna get into DJax i still think his attitude will hurt us at some point unless he grows up fast. But hell make plays and his presence just turned us into a juggernaut on offense.

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[quote=Lotus;1067492]Wait until DJax throws his first drama fit. That'll bring the vibe back to earth.

Otherwise I am with you. I would have done a few things differently but overall the offseason has been good to us. I tend to trust this feeling because we (mostly) have not been signing flashy baubles but, instead, bringing in the lunch-pail types.[/quote]

I dont think its going to take too long for that drama fit to happen. From what I have been reading he was a complete and total locker rooom cancer in Philly. He was much more concerned about getting his catches and his rap label than the team winning. It will be interesting to see how he deals with a rookie coach and that rookie coach handles him.

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i think if anything theres good core of locker room guys on this team already/// i'd be more interested to see how THEY handle him.. rather than the coach

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[quote=irish;1067618]I dont think its going to take too long for that drama fit to happen. From what I have been reading he was a complete and total locker rooom cancer in Philly. He was much more concerned about getting his catches and his rap label than the team winning. It will be interesting to see how he deals with a rookie coach and that rookie coach handles him.[/quote]

This can't be a worse cancer than Cousins insisting he get his chance that was promised to him by Shannahan.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1067620]This can't be a worse cancer than Cousins insisting he get his chance that was promised to him by Shannahan.[/quote]

Are you still on the Cousins is a bigger media circus than Tebow thing?

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[quote=Skinzman;1067621]Are you still on the Cousins is a bigger media circus than Tebow thing?[/quote]

No, just saying he is a possible malcontent.

[QUOTE=irish;1067618]I dont think its going to take too long for that drama fit to happen. From what I have been reading he was a complete and total locker rooom cancer in Philly. He was much more concerned about getting his catches and his rap label than the team winning. It will be interesting to see how he deals with a rookie coach and that rookie coach handles him.[/QUOTE]

I think Jackson has already said that Gruden has "street cred" since he ran Cincinatti's offense. He simply didn't buy into Kelly's vision, saw him as a college coach trying to fit his model onto NFL players.
I expect that Jackson will buy in for this season, given how the Skins played to his need to be wanted, and respected, when they made the all out push to get him.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1067620]This can't be a worse cancer than Cousins insisting he get his chance that was promised to him by Shannahan.[/quote]

This is the dafuq statement of the day right here.

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[quote=mooby;1067627]This is the dafuq statement of the day right here.[/quote]

Amazing, isn't it.

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Kirk Cousins......locker room...Cancer
I like it

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1067625]I think Jackson has already said that Gruden has "street cred" since he ran Cincinatti's offense. He simply didn't buy into Kelly's vision, saw him as a college coach trying to fit his model onto NFL players.
I expect that Jackson will buy in for this season, given how the Skins played to his need to be wanted, and respected, when they made the all out push to get him.[/quote]

What gives me concern is that teams almost always seem to find a way to work with players and their various criminal activity but in this case Philly flat out told him to take a hike. It must have been really bad.

I always heard the a leopard cant change his spots, hopefull DJ changes.