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[quote=ram29jackson;1074882]I just realized they went to a yellow helmet when Lombardi started coaching there..interesting and makes sense[/quote]

He wanted to instill a winning attitude and changed the color to Championship Gold.

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Great stuff!!

[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-the-government-decided-that-redskins-bothers-you/2014/06/27/669558a6-fd54-11e3-932c-0a55b81f48ce_story.html]The government decided that ‘Redskins’ bothers you - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1074968]Great stuff!!

[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-the-government-decided-that-redskins-bothers-you/2014/06/27/669558a6-fd54-11e3-932c-0a55b81f48ce_story.html]The government decided that ‘Redskins’ bothers you - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

redundant but well put of course,good stuff

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[url=http://www.moneynews.com/NealAsbury/patent-trademark-Redskins-property/2014/06/26/id/579472/]Revoking Washington Redskins Trademark Is an Attack on Intellectual Property[/url]

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[part of article



[QUOTE]QUOTE]Currently, there are 600 trademarks that carry an American Indian image. These are held by 450 companies. Is the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office going after all of these? Are these five American Indians going to be spending the rest of their lives in court?

This case could start an avalanche of attacks on intellectual property. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers representing the Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's brands are huddling late in the night in the event some black Americans decide to bring suit over their brand's depiction of black Americans.

I want to be clear that America should never denigrate any group of people. But if people feel slighted and maligned, this should be settled in the courts, not mandated by the U.S. government.

As a nation we cannot take the value of intellectual property lightly.

In their "Economic Value of Intellectual Property" white paper, economists Robert Shapiro and Kevin Hassett estimate that U.S. intellectual property today is worth between $5 trillion and $5.5 trillion, equivalent to approximately 45 percent of U.S. GDP and greater than the GDP of any other nation in the world.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com [url=http://www.moneynews.com/NealAsbury/patent-trademark-Redskins-property/2014/06/26/id/579472#ixzz35xTEd2Ka]Revoking Washington Redskins Trademark Is an Attack on Intellectual Property[/url]
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[url=http://www.cullmantimes.com/localsports/x1669984403/NFL-Former-Washington-coach-Gibbs-considers-name-prideful]NFL: Former Washington coach Gibbs considers name 'prideful' » Top Sports » CullmanTimes.com - Cullman, Alabama[/url]


[QUOTE]SPARTA, Ky. — Count former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs among those who has no problem with the team's name.

The NFL team that Gibbs led to three Super Bowl titles in the first of two stints as coach has been heavily criticized for its nickname that's viewed as derogatory toward Native Americans. A group of U.S. senators and President Barack Obama have suggested it should be changed, which team owner Daniel Snyder vehemently refuses.

Asked about the controversy before the NASCAR race Saturday at Kentucky Speedway, the Hall of Fame coach and racing team owner defended the Redskins name.

"Never once did I hear anybody ever say anything negative about the name Redskins," Gibbs said about his time with the team. "It was always prideful, it was courage involved. We have a song, 'Hail to the Redskins," and so everything, everything, about that name has been positive for me and my past."

Growing up in North Carolina, Gibbs said the Redskins were the only NFL team on TV and that he "pulled for them my whole life" and said he never dreamed of coaching them from 1981-92 and again from 2004-07.

Washington won Super Bowls in the 1982, 1987 and 1991 seasons. Gibbs also became a NASCAR team owner during that period and has gone on to win three Sprint Cup titles as well as the 1993 Daytona 500.[/QUOTE]

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Redtail warriors

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[quote=skinsguy;1074934]In terms of these tribes getting money - hey, I don't blame them in those regards. These reservations need money. But I think there are better ways of going about it.

I think about this: Teams that have Native American names could really help to market great ways of raising awareness and raising money. For instance, $1 for every purchase made at home games could go toward a Native American fund. A % from ticket sells could also go toward this. Commercials could run during Redskins games speaking about the fund Snyder has created and ways to donate to that.

Or, you could just sue for $9 billion dollars, lol![/quote]

I agree. I don't know what they've tried already, but all your suggestions seem perfectly reasonable to me.

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[quote=ram29jackson;1074995][url=http://www.cullmantimes.com/localsports/x1669984403/NFL-Former-Washington-coach-Gibbs-considers-name-prideful]NFL: Former Washington coach Gibbs considers name 'prideful' » Top Sports » CullmanTimes.com - Cullman, Alabama[/url][/quote]

Just like most reasonable people, he doesn't take too kindly to being told he's been a racist his whole life and was just too stupid to realize it. I think Wise, Costas and others expect to be thanked for letting people know they've been racist all these years. Pretty arrogant if you ask me.

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This is another area I disagree with; just because people are saying the name is offensive now (either legitimately or otherwise), doesn't mean they're calling everyone who's ever uttered it a racist. Costas, et al have all used the name many times over their careers.

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do we have to donate to add our own avatars ?

[QUOTE=ram29jackson;1075006]do we have to donate to add our own avatars ?[/QUOTE]
Donating gives you access to a few more but there are no custom avatars allowed.

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[quote=HoustonSkinsFan;1075005]This is another area I disagree with; just because people are saying the name is offensive now (either legitimately or otherwise), doesn't mean they're calling everyone who's ever uttered it a racist. Costas, et al have all used the name many times over their careers.[/quote]

It doesn't have to mean they're calling everyone racist, but for many of the people taking the lead publicly on the issue that's what they're doing.

That's what it sounds like (to me at least) when someone says the name is 'obviously offensive', that it's 'obviously disparaging', or 'obviously racist.'

If the argument is that it's so 'obvious', then the implication is that I'm too ignorant/stupid/racist to realize it and/or care.

Which is fine - I don't mind being called names... the people pushing for this have quite a few names that fit them as well.

It just cracks me up when those people turn around and try to say they're not calling us names - they clearly are when they're making their argument, and when called it on it they try to backtrack.

It also makes me laugh when they start getting offended when they're called the names they deserve - such as ignorant, or PC police, or whatever. They have no trouble throwing around insults - but you better look out if you're going to throw one back!

The more this goes on the more the whole name-chance-crew starts to look ignorant (just read their arguments...), whiny, etc. I just hope they keep going after more organizations, that the threat of suit against the Indians is legit, and the call for the KC Chiefs gets more air time. The sooner the majority of people in this country realize what is going on, the quicker it'll all be pushed down back where it belongs.

edit: just to be clear, I'm talking about the people getting on TV and radio and claiming to speak on behalf of everyone that wants the name changed. there are plenty in that camp that make legitimate, well thought out arguments, including some on this board.

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[quote=tshile;1075013]It doesn't have to mean they're calling everyone racist, but for many of the people taking the lead publicly on the issue that's what they're doing.

[B]That's what it sounds like (to me at least) when someone says the name is 'obviously offensive', that it's 'obviously disparaging', or 'obviously racist.'

If the argument is that it's so 'obvious', then the implication is that I'm too ignorant/stupid/racist to realize it and/or care.[/B]

Which is fine - I don't mind being called names... the people pushing for this have quite a few names that fit them as well.

It just cracks me up when those people turn around and try to say they're not calling us names - they clearly are when they're making their argument, and when called it on it they try to backtrack.

It also makes me laugh when they start getting offended when they're called the names they deserve - such as ignorant, or PC police, or whatever. They have no trouble throwing around insults - but you better look out if you're going to throw one back!

The more this goes on the more the whole name-chance-crew starts to look ignorant (just read their arguments...), whiny, etc. I just hope they keep going after more organizations, that the threat of suit against the Indians is legit, and the call for the KC Chiefs gets more air time. The sooner the majority of people in this country realize what is going on, the quicker it'll all be pushed down back where it belongs.

edit: just to be clear, I'm talking about the people getting on TV and radio and claiming to speak on behalf of everyone that wants the name changed. there are plenty in that camp that make legitimate, well thought out arguments, including some on this board.[/quote]

That's what gets me too! If there was such an obvious disparaging origin of the word "redskin" then there would not be any argument about it. Native Americans, by a large majority, would all agree it's offensive, and the name probably would have changed a long time ago - probably even before a lot of us were born.

That's what gets me about guys like Costas. Personally, I don't agree with NBC allowing him to dictate his personal political feelings on the team's name - especially during the halftime of an NFL game (and it being a Redskins game at that.) I'm not saying he can't have an opinion, but coming out on National television and stating his opinion as fact is unprofessional in my opinion.

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Yeah. I wish the NFL would not let NBC have prime time redskins games until they agree to not allow Costas to do that.

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check out the video in the link LOL

[url=http://www.kpho.com/story/25873907/woman-at-center-of-redskins-name-change-court-battle-from-arizona]Woman at center of Redskins name change court battle from Arizon - CBS 5 - KPHO[/url]

if this so important, why is it a very short ,filler story lol

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Three women in a tent on a sidewalk.
That's one helluva protest!!!
Hey Amanda, go make me a sandwich......

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Interesting article about the economics of changing the name (or more like the economic difficulties of a possible change):

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/130696/inside-slant-presumed-redskins-bonanza]Inside Slant: Presumed Washington Redskins bonanza - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=ram29jackson;1075023]check out the video in the link LOL

[url=http://www.kpho.com/story/25873907/woman-at-center-of-redskins-name-change-court-battle-from-arizona]Woman at center of Redskins name change court battle from Arizon - CBS 5 - KPHO[/url]

if this so important, why is it a very short ,filler story lol[/quote]

Three people and a tent. Why is it a story at all?

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[quote=HoustonSkinsFan;1075005]This is another area I disagree with; just because people are saying the name is offensive now (either legitimately or otherwise), doesn't mean they're calling everyone who's ever uttered it a racist. Costas, et al have all used the name many times over their careers.[/quote]

To call it offensive, disparaging or contemptuous is one thing, but to call it an obvious racial slur on par with the N-word implies anyone who supports the name is racist or ignorant. It's not unreasonable to take it that way either. After all, if there were a team called the Cleveland N-words, what would you think of their fans?

And after this period of "great enlightenment" where we have been educated on just how vile the word Redskin is, how it's equal to the N-word and it causes Native American children to have low esteem, if we still support the name then the logical conclusion can only be that we're terrible people who just don't get it. For they have bestowed upon us such valuable knowledge that we were ignorant to for years, decades even, and yet we still want to keep the name.

And when it does change, we'll be the ones who "were on the wrong side of history". People will shake their heads in disgust when old pictures of us in our Redskins jerseys are shown on TV during halftime of the 2035 Super Bowl between the Washington Warriors and the Kansas City Football Club.

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[quote=ram29jackson;1075023]check out the video in the link LOL

[URL="http://www.kpho.com/story/25873907/woman-at-center-of-redskins-name-change-court-battle-from-arizona"]Woman at center of Redskins name change court battle from Arizon - CBS 5 - KPHO[/URL]

if this so important, why is it a very short ,filler story lol[/quote]

Ah this is laughable! I saw four protesters. Four! SMH!

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Gibbs calls the name "prideful."

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-coach-gibbs-considers-name-211336983--nfl.html"]http://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-coach-gibbs-considers-name-211336983--nfl.html[/URL]

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[quote=Lotus;1075052]Gibbs calls the name "prideful."

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-coach-gibbs-considers-name-211336983--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url][/quote]

I beat you to it on the previous page but that's ok lol.

if Gibbs has no problem with it that seems to speak volumes

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[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/former-gm--dan-snyder-might-drop-redskins-name-for-new-stadium--super-bowl-144942689.html"]He who shall not be named has spoken[/URL] on the issue of the name, and I unfortunately think he makes a solid point.

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[quote=mooby;1075203][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/former-gm--dan-snyder-might-drop-redskins-name-for-new-stadium--super-bowl-144942689.html"]He who shall not be named has spoken[/URL] on the issue of the name, and I unfortunately think he makes a solid point.[/quote]I agree that he makes some solid points, but I don't think any of this comes as that big of a shocker. Not to say that I think Snyder would sell out the team name, but I could definitely see him giving in to all the pressure (real or conceived) if and only if he gets some major concessions from the NFL/DC government/etc.

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[quote=mooby;1075203][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/former-gm--dan-snyder-might-drop-redskins-name-for-new-stadium--super-bowl-144942689.html"]He who shall not be named has spoken[/URL] on the issue of the name, and I unfortunately think he makes a solid point.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm sure Snyder has his price. It would be very hard for him to say no to a new stadium and the Superbowl, IMO.

Also, FU Cerrato.

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Did Cerrato really provide any new insight? And no, I wouldn't trust any judgement call that ole "sacks n stuff" has to say. He's just trying to say things to get airtime, now. imo.

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/blogger-hired-to-defend-redskins-name-resigns/2014/07/08/133f721e-06b3-11e4-9a71-264773a2ffc8_story.html"]Blogger hired to defend Redskins name resigns - The Washington Post[/URL]

I love the sentence in this article that says, "Redskins owner Dan Snyder has vowed not to change the name but is facing unprecedented opposition from those who consider it a racial slur."

What it should have said is that Snyder is facing unprececedented opposition from the "smallest of minorities of people in the country" who consider it a racial slur. But "unprececedented opposition" sounds more powerful.

The propaganda on this just continues to be amazing to me.

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Sloppy by the FO again on handling the Skins name. not smart

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[quote=scowan;1075314][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/blogger-hired-to-defend-redskins-name-resigns/2014/07/08/133f721e-06b3-11e4-9a71-264773a2ffc8_story.html"]Blogger hired to defend Redskins name resigns - The Washington Post[/URL]

I love the sentence in this article that says, "Redskins owner Dan Snyder has vowed not to change the name but is facing unprecedented opposition from those who consider it a racial slur."

What it should have said is that Snyder is facing unprececedented opposition from the "smallest of minorities of people in the country" who consider it a racial slur. But "unprececedented opposition" sounds more powerful.

The propaganda on this just continues to be amazing to me.[/quote]

He probably got pressure from his liberal buddies. Craziness!

I hope Snyder doesn't cave. Fight it to the end.

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[quote=scowan;1075314][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/blogger-hired-to-defend-redskins-name-resigns/2014/07/08/133f721e-06b3-11e4-9a71-264773a2ffc8_story.html"]Blogger hired to defend Redskins name resigns - The Washington Post[/URL]

I love the sentence in this article that says, "Redskins owner Dan Snyder has vowed not to change the name but is facing unprecedented opposition from those who consider it a racial slur."

What it should have said is that Snyder is facing unprececedented opposition from the "smallest of minorities of people in the country" who consider it a racial slur. But "unprececedented opposition" sounds more powerful.

The propaganda on this just continues to be amazing to me.[/quote]

i would consider that letter signed by a bunch of US Senators to be fairly significant and unprecedented.

throw in the tv ad during the nba finals .....

the federal court cancelling the redskins trademark on a finding that it is derogatory is kinda a big deal to imo

maybe im just nitpicking or having a selective memory .. but i dont think that one sentence from the journalist was unsupported or unfounded.

ps - i just dont give a sh%t about this issue anymore. if it changes - fine. if it doesnt - even better. i do find myself annoyed at anyone beating the war drum at either end of the spectrum. just an exercise in futility.

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[quote=over the mountain;1075318]i would consider that letter signed by a bunch of US Senators to be fairly significant and unprecedented.

throw in the tv ad during the nba finals .....

the federal court cancelling the redskins trademark on a finding that it is derogatory is kinda a big deal to imo

maybe im just nitpicking or having a selective memory .. but i dont think that one sentence from the journalist was unsupported or unfounded.

ps - i just dont give a sh%t about this issue anymore. if it changes - fine. if it doesnt - even better. i do find myself annoyed at anyone beating the war drum at either end of the spectrum. just an exercise in futility.[/quote]

Ok, a bunch of Senators (maybe 40-45?) who honestly should have nothing to do with this issue, a Federal court cancels the trademark after never receiving one complaint to their office (as per a recent Washington Times article), a TV ad, and a hundred maybe a few thousand media types, VERSES the hundreds of thousands of people that say don't change the name. I don't really find that unprecedented. I find it just amazing how such a small minority of people can continue to make this news worthy.

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To be clear, a court did not cancel the trademark. The Patent & Trademark Office did. The PTO's decision will be challenged in court where it lost on this issue previously. The PTO is part of the executive branch, not the judicial.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1075320]To be clear, a court did not cancel the trademark. The Patent & Trademark Office did. The PTO's decision will be challenged in court where it lost on this issue previously. The PTO is part of the executive branch, not the judicial.[/quote]

Exactly! The federal court, more than likely, will be the one to overturn the ruling, yet again.

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Here how about this

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites]Fighting Whites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

I think it would work lol :lol:

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The Washington Skins

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Washington [URL="http://www.lingo2word.com/lingodetail.php?WrdID=18237"]Ningens[/URL]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1075367]Washington [URL="http://www.lingo2word.com/lingodetail.php?WrdID=18237"]Ningens[/URL][/quote]for my fellow Community fans:
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[url=http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/14/federal-judge-against-using-redskins-court]Federal judge in Maryland won't allow use of 'Redskins' in court documents - NFL - SI.com[/url]

You just can't make this up.

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[quote=SirLK26;1075575][url=http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/14/federal-judge-against-using-redskins-court]Federal judge in Maryland won't allow use of 'Redskins' in court documents - NFL - SI.com[/url]

You just can't make this up.[/quote]

I think the funny thing (at least in my mind) is that the court document references a play in the future. "According to the Complaint, the Washington team deemed Green a "disruptive presence" in his team's prior win against the Washington Team on [B]September 19, 2014[/B]"[source page 2 starting at line 10 of the complaint]

Yeah, I know it's a typo, but if you want to make a point of not using the Redskins name, at least don't make stupid typos in the factual background portion.