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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078265]I like Jay Gruden but here is his stupidest-sounding quote so far. It's about RGIII not protecting himself when he runs. Gruden: "It is an issue if he gets injured. It’s not an issue if he doesn’t.”

Let's look at this another way: If RGIII takes poison and dies, then it's an issue. It's not an issue if he takes poison but doesn't die. Smart. Real smart.[/quote]

I thought the same thing and pray that Gruden is more on top of the issue than he sounded.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1078260]So if he broke his leg on a clumsy slide then they would say he's out for the season with a thigh bruise....because the house will get blown down and stuff.[/quote]

Isn't that what happen to Joe Theisman? He had a bad bruise.

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[quote=spAtt;1078268]Isn't that what happen to Joe Theisman? He had a bad bruise.[/quote]

Joey T had more of a high ankle sprain. :eek:

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1078269]Joey T had more of a high ankle sprain. :eek:[/quote]

It was a boo-boo.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1078262]As we know Griffin has been out of practice all week while he underwent a top secret knee surgery.[/QUOTE]


I knew it! [emoji6]

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[quote=Lotus;1078221]Unleash the Dragon![/quote]

Rex: "F*** it! I'm goin' deep!"

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078265]I like Jay Gruden but here is his stupidest-sounding quote so far. It's about RGIII not protecting himself when he runs. Gruden: "It is an issue if he gets injured. It’s not an issue if he doesn’t.”

Let's look at Gruden's statement the way I twist it in my mind where I equate not going out of bounds or sliding soon enough to poison: "If RGIII takes poison and dies, then it's an issue. It's not an issue if he takes poison but doesn't die."

Smart. Real smart.

After reading what Gruden said, I'm as concerned as ever that RGIII may once again be seriously injured. It would be tragic to see a potentially great career curtailed or ended early because a harmful habit wasn't corrected.

I hope Cousins is ready because I'm afraid he'll be starting some games this season.[/quote]

But his quote is dead on. Griffin has to understand that he has to protect himself. That means lengthening his understanding of when he has to get out of bounds, or slide.

Compare it to driving a car, if you are going at 20 miles an hour you know you can be closer to the next car than if your are going to 70 miles an hour. It's the same thing with Griffin, he starts thinking protect to late, because he overestimates his reaction times and underestimates the opponents. If you look at the run to the sideline, you see Griffin was trying to get out, he put his head down and was thinking he could go out of bounds thru the defender, instead he bounced off him and into two others, and really could have done a job on his knee. He needs to see the defender and step out in front of him. And that's all about Griffin protecting himself.

Racecar drivers drive at 100mph plus safely, because they know how to protect themselves. We've seen qb's run (wilson, kaepernick, and others) and know to protect themselves. If Griffin is going to run, which I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't run ever, he simply has to know what the right protection zone should be.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1078273]But his quote is dead on. Griffin has to understand that he has to protect himself. That means lengthening his understanding of when he has to get out of bounds, or slide.

Compare it to driving a car, if you are going at 20 miles an hour you know you can be closer to the next car than if your are going to 70 miles an hour. It's the same thing with Griffin, he starts thinking protect to late, because he overestimates his reaction times and underestimates the opponents. If you look at the run to the sideline, you see Griffin was trying to get out, he put his head down and was thinking he could go out of bounds thru the defender, instead he bounced off him and into two others, and really could have done a job on his knee. He needs to see the defender and step out in front of him. And that's all about Griffin protecting himself.

Racecar drivers drive at 100mph plus safely, because they know how to protect themselves. We've seen qb's run (wilson, kaepernick, and others) and know to protect themselves. If Griffin is going to run, which I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't run ever, he simply has to know what the right protection zone should be.[/quote]

I admit that I may be overly concerned about it. I'm hoping we'll see RGIII make more progress toward fixing the problem on a game-by-game basis.

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I think Gruden has made it well known that Griffin needs to protect himself better. Griffin knows it too. What else needs to be said? Griffin needs to make it happen.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078275]I think Gruden has made it well known that Griffin needs to protect himself better. Griffin knows it too. What else needs to be said? Griffin needs to make it happen.[/quote]

My son is super active like never sits down always wants to be doing stuff. We had him checked out he is fine just likes to move around.

I am always disciplining/yelling at him to stop running; especially indoors.

My dad said one day you are pissing into the wind with the yelling; asking him to stop running is like asking him to stop breathing. IT is some how in grained into him.

I think the same maybe true for RGIII.

I think you just let him do what he does and if that means shorten his career then that is what it is. I rather 5 years of an awesome RGIII then 8 years of handcuffing him.

Eventually father time will take the speed from him and it will be up to RGIII to be able to be a "pocket passer" in order to stay in the league.

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Gruden and Griff are baffled by the two false start calls the other night.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/63889/jay-gruden-rg-iii-baffled-by-penalties]Washington Redskins baffled by Robert Griffin III false start flags - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;1078281]Gruden and Griff are baffled by the two false start calls the other night.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/63889/jay-gruden-rg-iii-baffled-by-penalties]Washington Redskins baffled by Robert Griffin III false start flags - ESPN[/url][/quote]

My problem with the call is the inconsistency across the league with call. Watch Brady and Big Ben do the same damn thing with their shotgun calls and snaps. They constantly move...just complete bs imo.

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Griffin didn't do anything different than he's always done, the league has just gone flag happy this preseason.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078283]Griffin didn't do anything different than he's always done, the league has just gone flag happy this preseason.[/quote]

Have they been flagging other QB's besides false starts? I've only seen Griff called...twice.

As Chico said, I didn't see RGIII do anything that Brady doesn't do.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1078284]Have they been flagging other QB's besides false starts? I've only seen Griff called...twice.



As Chico said, I didn't see RGIII do anything that Brady doesn't do.[/QUOTE]


Not sure, I haven't watched any other preseason games

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[quote=Mattyk;1078283]Griffin didn't do anything different than he's always done, the league has just gone flag happy this preseason.[/quote]

You can say that again! They threw flags on about 80% of the plays ran in that first half! If this is any indication as to how games are going to be called during the season, it's going to become a distraction of the game.

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[quote=skinsguy;1078286]You can say that again! They threw flags on about 80% of the plays ran in that first half! If this is any indication as to how games are going to be called during the season, it's going to become a distraction of the game.[/quote]

There's no way it can continue or we'll have 4 hour games totally messing up the TV schedule

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[quote=Mattyk;1078287]There's no way it can continue or we'll have 4 hour games totally messing up the TV schedule[/quote]

This is true! I got so used to seeing flags on every play that I would start yelling at the TV even after a play was ran without a penalty!

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[quote=Chico23231;1078282]My problem with the call is the inconsistency across the league with call. Watch Brady and Big Ben do the same damn thing with their shotgun calls and snaps. They constantly move...just complete bs imo.[/quote]

or peyton when he barks out an audible or hard count, then jerks his body forward and moves up to either side of the center to make sure they hear his audible ... like everyone else i imagine those false starts by RG3 dont get called in the reg seasons but during preseason the nfl wants to over flag it to make it a point of emphasis.

Do you think RG3's cleat doesnt get caught during that 1st slide if he was playing on different/better turf? i do

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Griffin took a couple of shots in a meaningless game. Bad move on his part. But the media firestorm over it is a little out of control.

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[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jerry-jones--deangelo-hall-blame-seattle-seahawks-for-increased-penalties-121216021.html[/url]

But Jones isn't the only one who says the Seahawks' aggressive style of play, which held opponents to an average of 172 passing yards per game and collected 28 interceptions last season, is the source for these mad flag-throwing zebras.

Hall, the Redskins corner who is among a number of Twitter combatants of Seahawks corner Richard Sherman, essentially echoed what Jones said about the Seahawks' style.


"Seahawks got their ring, they did it their way...now we have to pay the consequences. " --DeAngelo Hall on more flags. #Redskins
— Dianna Marie Russini (@NBCdianna) August 20, 2014

DeAngelo Hall says there are "no ifs, ands, or buts about it" the Super Bowl game is the reason for more flags #Redskins
— Dianna Marie Russini (@NBCdianna) August 20, 2014

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078292]Griffin took a couple of shots in a meaningless game. Bad move on his part. But the media firestorm over it is a little out of control.[/quote]

Not really. It's year 3 and he still hadn't gotten it yet.

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I few league wide simple but effective protests would make the committee back off the flag raining.

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[quote=Lotus;1078267]I thought the same thing and pray that Gruden is more on top of the issue than he sounded.[/quote]

I'm sure Gruden is all over it. Sounds to me that it is more like he is getting tired of answering the same damn question.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1078294]Not really. It's year 3 and he still hadn't gotten it yet.[/quote]

And he probably never will. It's just how he plays. I don't know if it's an ego thing to prove how tough he is, or he just likes and enjoys the contact. Mike Vick has been playing how many years now? Still hasn't learned how to protect himself.

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[quote=Chico23231;1078293][URL]https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jerry-jones--deangelo-hall-blame-seattle-seahawks-for-increased-penalties-121216021.html[/URL]

But Jones isn't the only one who says the Seahawks' aggressive style of play, which held opponents to an average of 172 passing yards per game and collected 28 interceptions last season, is the source for these mad flag-throwing zebras.

Hall, the Redskins corner who is among a number of Twitter combatants of Seahawks corner Richard Sherman, essentially echoed what Jones said about the Seahawks' style.


"Seahawks got their ring, they did it their way...now we have to pay the consequences. " --DeAngelo Hall on more flags. #Redskins
— Dianna Marie Russini (@NBCdianna) August 20, 2014

DeAngelo Hall says there are "no ifs, ands, or buts about it" the Super Bowl game is the reason for more flags #Redskins
— Dianna Marie Russini (@NBCdianna) August 20, 2014[/quote]

Seattle reminded me of 91 Redskins against Buffalo. They just beat the crap out of Denver's WR's. I guess the league didn't like what they saw. Now we have to look at these zebras wear their arms out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078299]Seattle reminded me of 91 Redskins against Buffalo. They just beat the crap out of Denver's WR's. I guess the league didn't like what they saw. Now we have to look at these zebras wear their arms out.[/quote]

its the league saying it wants more offense over defense. its crap crap crap.

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The league always wants more offense, and for Peyton to ride off with another ring. It's scripted folks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078298]And he probably never will. It's just how he plays. I don't know if it's an ego thing to prove how tough he is, or he just likes and enjoys the contact. Mike Vick has been playing how many years now? Still hasn't learned how to protect himself.[/quote]

I think his training and instinct as a hurdler takes over at times. We have seen him try to hurdle players, and as a hurdler, you speed up, plant and jump, exactly the opposite of what they are telling him to do, slow down, avoid obstacle and relax .

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1078279]My son is super active like never sits down always wants to be doing stuff. We had him checked out he is fine just likes to move around.



I am always disciplining/yelling at him to stop running; especially indoors.



My dad said one day you are pissing into the wind with the yelling; asking him to stop running is like asking him to stop breathing. IT is some how in grained into him.



I think the same maybe true for RGIII.



I think you just let him do what he does and if that means shorten his career then that is what it is. I rather 5 years of an awesome RGIII then 8 years of handcuffing him.



Eventually father time will take the speed from him and it will be up to RGIII to be able to be a "pocket passer" in order to stay in the league.[/QUOTE]


But if there were big men chasing your son looking to rip his head off every time he ran around he would probably get the point.
Griffs future and millions of dollars are on the line every time he is careless like that. I mean the guy is finally healthy, and in a meaningless preseason game (when the starting qb job is not even remotely an issue), he is reckless beyond belief over a couple of yards? Total head scratcher at this point.
Edit: as a Dad im glad he is just active n there are no issues.

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I think Griffin just needs more time. He wasn't being a reckless idiot against Cleveland... it was inexperience that led to the awkward slide and the other play where he got hit trying to get out of bounds. I think Jay holds getting down or out of bounds higher than the the Shannys did, so this will be second nature to RG in a few years, IMO. Jay's career here depends on Griffin staying healthy and improving in the pocket, so if RG ever does need a kick in the pants, he'll get it. But I don't think we'll ever reach that point.

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[quote=Chico23231;1078282]My problem with the call is the inconsistency across the league with call. Watch Brady and Big Ben do the same damn thing with their shotgun calls and snaps. They constantly move...just complete bs imo.[/quote]

That's how I see it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078301]The league always wants more offense, and for Peyton to ride off with another ring. It's scripted folks.[/quote]

Agree with you 110%.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1078311]I think Griffin just needs more time. He wasn't being a reckless idiot against Cleveland... it was inexperience that led to the awkward slide and the other play where he got hit trying to get out of bounds. I think Jay holds getting down or out of bounds higher than the the Shannys did, so this will be second nature to RG in a few years, IMO. Jay's career here depends on Griffin staying healthy and improving in the pocket, so if RG ever does need a kick in the pants, he'll get it. But I don't think we'll ever reach that point.[/QUOTE]


One was an awkward slide...yes. Boggles my mind that a pro athlete of his caliber cannot slide but ok. The hit he took the other time - he had plenty of time to get down. He was trying to get out of bounds - yes - but with a first down. Gotta go down n live to fight another day there.

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This might have been discussed but I just do not understand the hate towards RGIII by some of the media.
6 possessions into a new coaching regime and these talking heads are labeling him a bust!!??
Give the man a break! They drill him more than these players that beat their wife, pop pills and drive drunk!!!
Absurd!!

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[quote=punch it in;1078318]One was an awkward slide...yes. Boggles my mind that a pro athlete of his caliber cannot slide but ok. The hit he took the other time - he had plenty of time to get down. He was trying to get out of bounds - yes - but with a first down. Gotta go down n live to fight another day there.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree, he should have got down on that one. In the Super Bowl, you try to make that play. But in a relatively meaningless preseason game, he definitely should have got down instead of trying to pick up a few extra yards. And on that play where he did slide, he should have dumped the ball off to a wide open Reed instead of running at all. Just has to play smarter. I think he'll get there eventually.

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portis already proved that wins in the preseason are meaningless, but the injuries are for real.

he should really just be chucking it out of bounds in the preseason. it's not important.

btw, props to DJ for running down that pick and making the tackle (how ironic to praise him, since that's what got CP sidelined).

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beside the pick, he got a little reckless. i give griff a C plus for that game. i woulda gave him a B plus if it wasnt for the pick to Haden hes gotta look off that bigtime.

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[QUOTE=tc2deuce;1078321]This might have been discussed but I just do not understand the hate towards RGIII by some of the media.

6 possessions into a new coaching regime and these talking heads are labeling him a bust!!??

Give the man a break! They drill him more than these players that beat their wife, pop pills and drive drunk!!!

Absurd!![/QUOTE]


Havent heard anyone call him a bust. Maybe i missed it. Have heard alot say this is a make it or break it season though. Which - if he stays healthy i would tend to agree with based on what we gave up to draft him.

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Haven't heard anyone call him a bust either, unless you're listening to the knuckleheads on PFT or something.

But I do sense somewhat of a lack of patience out there. Hope people realize he's still a young guy growing into the position and it's going to take some time in a new system too.

I've already noticed some improvement in him going through reads but it's like some people want him to be Tom Brady overnight.