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[quote=44Deezel;1094818]He couldn't rate anyone else on Offense because RG3 was so bad, and he basically destroyed RG3. On one play, he said a high school coach would be pissed at what RG3 did. Does it get worse than that? He's making mistakes that wouldn't be tolerated for a High school QB? Dayum![/quote]

It's all the OL's fault

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I've always felt the O line was bad but its looking like RG3 is worse. Its easy to point fingers at both of them cuz they're both just awful.

SS, I'm assuming the Skins are looking at drafting a QB in the off-season?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1094822]I've always felt the O line was bad but its looking like RG3 is worse. Its easy to point fingers at both of them cuz they're both just awful.

SS, I'm assuming the Skins are looking at drafting a QB in the off-season?[/quote]

Maybe in the later rounds, but no not at all in the early rounds

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Gruden and that Chucky offense is out dated anyway.

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^^^ lol righhhhhhttttt.

The offensive scheme is fine, when properly executed. You know, like hitting open WR's in the flat in the red zone rather than taking a sack, or hitting D.Jax when he is running free behind the defense, or hitting Garcon wide open in the middle of the D when the play design uses D.Jax to drag the safeties downfield and A. Morris to drag the LB's upfield.

Gruden's offense is actually very well-designed by scheming for the opposing teams particular defensive tendencies, incorporating the particular abilities of various skill players into the play design, and anticipating how defenses will react to them. The yards are there for the taking, but between Griffin and the O-Line, a lot of them get left on the field.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1094812]Haslett was Gruden's mentor. If anything, I'm sure Gruden had a lot of say in this.

I know everyone is pissed, but I have yet to see anything credible that says that Snyder has mettle in the affairs of the team since Shanny/Allen came on board.

The whole F Snyder stuff is getting old IMO.[/quote]

Nodding in public. Snyder gets my respect for being so patient with Bruce Allen, and with Shanahan, and now with Gruden. When's the last time you heard about Snyder talking shit, about anyone?

He's a lot more patient than I would be. Maybe too patient, like the pendulum swung too far back.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1094823]Maybe in the later rounds, but no not at all in the early rounds[/QUOTE]


So even if Griff looks God awful for these last games, and we decide we dont want to pay him? 18 mill is alot of money. I keep hearing everyone say we are stuck with him for one more year. If we decide to extend him - we must do so by may of 15 - so we would basically be committing to two more years rite?
Edit : i know 2015 is his last year of the four yr deal but they have to decide to exercise his option for 16 before the 15 season even starts.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1094822]I've always felt the O line was bad but its looking like RG3 is worse. Its easy to point fingers at both of them cuz they're both just awful.

SS, I'm assuming the Skins are looking at drafting a QB in the off-season?[/quote]

Did Chico give you permission to post? :silly:

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[quote=Mattyk;1094777]I honestly never heard anyone legit come out and say he's not putting in the work. In fact I've only heard the [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/04/08/redskins-mailbag-rgiiis-work-ethic-piecing-the-puzzle-together-and-more/"]opposite[/URL].

I know everyone wants to keep saying he's in year 3 and he should be getting it by now. Yeah he's in year 3, but he's only started 3 games this year.[/quote]

Great point!

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I was at the Oakland game last year and that's when I really saw just how bad RG3 was playing. Our wr's were wide open and he just didn't throw them the ball. They didn't cover Santana all day. Some of the wr's were getting frustrated, you could see it. Here we are 13 or so starts later and it's the same things. IMO he just doesn't have it.

This week I just want him to cut it loose. Don't care if he throws a few picks. No more happy feet. Don't try and scramble around, keep your eyes downfield, set your feet, climb the pocket and sling it. That's all I want to see. QB 101.

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[quote=punch it in;1094830]So even if Griff looks God awful for these last games, and we decide we dont want to pay him? 18 mill is alot of money. I keep hearing everyone say we are stuck with him for one more year. If we decide to extend him - we must do so by may of 15 - so we would basically be committing to two more years rite?
Edit : i know 2015 is his last year of the four yr deal but they have to decide to exercise his option for 16 before the 15 season even starts.[/quote]

I think the Redskins should focus the high round picks on safety and offensive line. Our offensive line is terrible, but a lot of that can be offset if RGIII can learn the timing of the offense and so forth. Colt McCoy played pretty well behind this line (of course not minus Williams), so part of it is the quarterback, and part is the offensive line. But in this case, I think the Redskins full focus is still on rebuilding the offensive line. Maybe by that point, you have RGIII grasping the fundamentals a little better. Who knows?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;1094869]I think the Redskins should focus the high round picks on safety and offensive line. Our offensive line is terrible, but a lot of that can be offset if RGIII can learn the timing of the offense and so forth. Colt McCoy played pretty well behind this line (of course not minus Williams), so part of it is the quarterback, and part is the offensive line. But in this case, I think the Redskins full focus is still on rebuilding the offensive line. Maybe by that point, you have RGIII grasping the fundamentals a little better. Who knows?[/QUOTE]


That would certainly be ideal. If there is a QB coming out that seems like a solid pick and he is there when we go. That is going to be a tough decision. Although i do agree that we should bolster the hell out if the oline first so that our next man up doesnt get murdered.

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[quote=Chico23231;1094801]Kinda wish we didn't have so many leaks adding to the drama[/quote]

It wouldn't be a Redskins season unless had more drama than wins.

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[quote=punch it in;1094830]So even if Griff looks God awful for these last games, and we decide we dont want to pay him? 18 mill is alot of money. I keep hearing everyone say we are stuck with him for one more year. If we decide to extend him - we must do so by may of 15 - so we would basically be committing to two more years rite?
Edit : i know 2015 is his last year of the four yr deal but they have to decide to exercise his option for 16 before the 15 season even starts.[/quote]

I mean things could change, but right now it's not under consideration

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1094873]I mean things could change, but right now it's not under consideration[/QUOTE]


If things can change so much in a week I wonder what 6 more will bring...

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[quote=punch it in;1094874]If things can change so much in a week I wonder what 6 more will bring...[/quote]

Super Bowl

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1094876]Super Bowl[/QUOTE]


Lol. I remember when that answer would not have been a punch line.

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In case anyone hasnt heard RG-3 is focusing on San Francisco. Lmao

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I'd be curious to see if anyone predicts that we will beat SF this weekend. And if so, why (other than the fact that any given week, crazy things happen).

I am only hoping it isn't a complete blowout. If we get crushed something like 45-10, imagine how much worse things will get on this board and with the media.

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[QUOTE=calia;1094881]I'd be curious to see if anyone predicts that we will beat SF this weekend. And if so, why (other than the fact that any given week, crazy things happen).



I am only hoping it isn't a complete blowout. If we get crushed something like 45-10, imagine how much worse things will get on this board and with the media.[/QUOTE]


There have been two games we had no chance to win this year. Oddly enough against the stinkin bucs n stinkin giants. I think we lose but it will be like 31-17. We will hang around for a bit.

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I am not sure we have much of a chance against the Seahawks either, actually. While it was only 10 points, Seattle always seemed to calmly be in control, and I never felt during that game that we were going to somehow come back and pull ahead. But we do tend to play to the level of competition -- crappy against bad teams (Titans, Bucs, Giants -- with Jax being the exception) and reasonably well against good teams (Dallas, Seattle, Cardinals, Eagles).

I have always believed that teams which do that don't have strong leaders. You have to be able to go out and smash weaker opponents, and good leaders help make that happen. That worries me about this team. A lot. I like Gruden, but I am hoping he might have a moment like the baseball coach in Bull Durham where he comes into the showers and starts throwing bats. Per Crash Davis: "They're kids. Scare them." Or better still, let's get a few of the vets to grab guys by the pads and tell them to STFU and play football.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094867]I was at the Oakland game last year and that's when I really saw just how bad RG3 was playing. Our wr's were wide open and he just didn't throw them the ball. They didn't cover Santana all day. Some of the wr's were getting frustrated, you could see it. Here we are 13 or so starts later and it's the same things. IMO he just doesn't have it.

This week I just want him to cut it loose. Don't care if he throws a few picks. No more happy feet. Don't try and scramble around, keep your eyes downfield, set your feet, climb the pocket and sling it. That's all I want to see. QB 101.[/quote]

Constant frustration seeing RG miss open receivers. I remember it a lot with Moss last year and now it's like RG doesn't see anybody.

Maybe he needs a beta blocker to slow things down internally lol

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Here's my layman's opinion. Throughout RG3's entire career he was able to turn his mistakes into big plays. Understandably, that makes you sloppy. If you constantly wiggle out of a bad situation and make it a great one, you get used to doing that and learn to rely on that. During the playoff game vs. Seattle, RG3 lost that ability for the remainder of his career.

RG3 is slow. RG3 does not have acceleration anymore. RG3 cannot turn botched plays into big gains with his legs. I've watched him get caught from behind by defensive linemen. His rookie season, no LB would catch him from behind and he would glide by a DE. He's had so many surgeries on his legs and he's lost that explosion that made him special. Now he's having to rely on his head and his arm more than his legs and he's failing. It's clear he doesn't have the fundamentals. We paid too much for a kid that is nice but lacks football intelligence and football fundamentals.

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i'd like to see the players stop talking to the media, so they don't have to spend so much time talking about what they (or someone else) said last time they talked to the media.

it'd be a shame to waste these last 6 games 2013 style. there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

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Just out of curiosity, is anyone so optimistic to think we will 2 more games this season?

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WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER GAME THIS SEASON!! unless they bench RGIII…then they might win two….top 5 pick in the 2015 draft..thats what we need. Robert is lost right now and my guess is he will get benched at SF and Colt will come in and make some plays..but not enough with the crap defense we have..trust me the skins are right now the worst team maybe in all of pro sports..total failure and it starts at the top..I have been FAN since 1969 I can't take it anymore...

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;1094984]Just out of curiosity, is anyone so optimistic to think we will 2 more games this season?[/QUOTE]


If I had to wager I would say we finish the year 3-13. At SF, at Indy. At Giants. Cowboys, Eagles. Get the Rams at home, but they just crushed denver. There is really nobody except Oakland and the Jags that I would feel confident about playing. That being said I wouldnt be surprised at all if they beat us either. Times like this my mind always takes me back to 14-0 against Seattle at home! What has happened since that point could not be further from what I thought was going to happen from that point on. If we werent on our way to the Superbowl that year I figured we would be serious contenders for years to come.

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[quote=Hijinx;1094984]Just out of curiosity, is anyone so optimistic to think we will 2 more games this season?[/quote]

This game was horrible, easily the worst of the year, but it was just one game. Gruden so far has had two really bad losses out of 10 games(the game against New York in which we were destroyed by injuries and this one), so why would I expect this level of play to be the new norm? I fully expect Griffin to play more like he did against Minnesota than against Tampa Bay for the rest of the year.

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Here is my prediction.

RG3 gets pulled in SF game.

After loss, Colt starts next 4 games and leads us to 4 straight wins finishing the year 8-8.

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Just let the starters play......play close attention to areas of need like offensive line, safety, and quarterback......

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I'm really disgusted in my team right now. All this gossiping going on is turning my stomach. I've always been a team first guy. They've got me wanting to chant RG3 RG3. How can you be saying first guy there last to leave then say he doesn''t want to put the time in. There is something your not telling me. Gruden gave up to fast 2nd game dislocated ankle never backed him. F Gruden IMO. I'm a REDSKIN fan firstvbut this I don't like.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1096406]I'm really disgusted in my team right now. All this gossiping going on is turning my stomach. I've always been a team first guy. They've got me wanting to chant RG3 RG3. How can you be saying first guy there last to leave then say he doesn''t want to put the time in. There is something your not telling me. Gruden gave up to fast 2nd game dislocated ankle never backed him. F Gruden IMO. I'm a REDSKIN fan firstvbut this I don't like.[/quote]Gruden has two going on three years of RG3s work to evauate him. And working with him this entire season so far, whether RG3 played or not.

We had plenty of gossip the last two years. And people blamed Mike Shanahan. Now there's still gossip.... oops.

What's important that is something nobody told you... apparently, is that RG3 has sucked this season. So bad that if it weren't for the INTs Cousins outplayed RG3, and McCoy is outplaying RG3.

Maybe it's the system. Thanks to all-22, people can confirm that our WRs are getting open. It really looks like RG3 can't read the field as a pocket passer. And it's not a matter of "just getting it", it's a skill that has to be developed like practically any NFL technique. The pass play is a lot tougher to read from the QB position on the field than the fans eagle eye view from TV.

If only we had an offensive coordinator and head coach that ran a system RG3 could do well in. One that didn't rely on RG3 reading at least half the field, but instead relied on his good play-action and running skills and making quick decisions on simple reads..... but that's crazy talk. As RG2 said: “You name one quarterback out there that would rather run the football than throw the football and I’ll show you a loser.” (*cough* Wilson Kaaepernick Newton )

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1096406]I'm really disgusted in my team right now. All this gossiping going on is turning my stomach. I've always been a team first guy. They've got me wanting to chant RG3 RG3. How can you be saying first guy there last to leave then say he doesn''t want to put the time in. There is something your not telling me. Gruden gave up to fast 2nd game dislocated ankle never backed him. F Gruden IMO. I'm a REDSKIN fan firstvbut this I don't like.[/quote]

Gruden has lacked the leadership thus far to keep his group focused and playing at a high level. A good comparison right now is Pettine in Cleveland, first year coach who's QB is playing like shit, but that group comes out swinging every week. Gruden looks like the worst HC hire for 2014 at this point, maybe Smith is worse but his team just kicked our ass lol, but then for all we know Gruden was the only candidate who would come to DC.

And that makes the rest of our season pins and needles. If Gruden burns through the last QB on the roster (supposedly his handpicked guy) without significant improvement it's hard make a wise case to bring him back next year, but what if nobody decent wants the job??

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USC QB Kessler looks good if around in 3rd round might be worth a shot taking... after taking a safety and an offensive lineman


[quote=Rotten1980;1096554]Gruden has lacked the leadership thus far to keep his group focused and playing at a high level. A good comparison right now is Pettine in Cleveland, first year coach who's QB is playing like shit, but that group comes out swinging every week. Gruden looks like the worst HC hire for 2014 at this point, maybe Smith is worse but his team just kicked our ass lol, but then for all we know Gruden was the only candidate who would come to DC.

And that makes the rest of our season pins and needles. If Gruden burns through the last QB on the roster (supposedly his handpicked guy) without significant improvement it's hard make a wise case to bring him back next year, but what if nobody decent wants the job??[/quote]

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1096574]USC QB Kessler looks good if around in 3rd round might be worth a shot taking... after taking a safety and an offensive lineman[/quote]

No thank you

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1096406]I'm really disgusted in my team right now. All this gossiping going on is turning my stomach. I've always been a team first guy. They've got me wanting to chant RG3 RG3. How can you be saying first guy there last to leave then say he doesn''t want to put the time in. There is something your not telling me. Gruden gave up to fast 2nd game dislocated ankle never backed him. F Gruden IMO. I'm a REDSKIN fan firstvbut this I don't like.[/quote]

Stop defending RG3.....he has looked good at any point this season. His struggles began in training camp and preseason.....Gruden wants his version of the west coast offense run correctly RG3 failed big time to do that.

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One problem that all teams are facing now is that they can no longer control the public image of their team. Social networking by players and others, too many interviews mandated by the NFL as part of TV deals, and the need for reporters to get the "news" first, virtually immediately and without fact-checking, is creating a vortex of contradictory messages that are confusing to fans.

In the past, a coach would say something like "We haven't been winning with Robert, so we're going with Colt this week". End of story. The fans could then speculate all they wanted but that one statement is just about all that would be coming out of Redskins Park. The Information Age has changed all that.

From now on, I'm going just to take the change at face value and not get caught up in the politics of the situation. If we win more games with Colt at QB, the problem is solved in the short term. If we don't win with Colt at QB, then it's next man up. I just want to win and I don't care who is at QB as long as we're winning.

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Colt sacked 5 or 6 times - O-Line issue.




[quote=KI Skins Fan;1096602]One problem that all teams are facing now is that they can no longer control the public image of their team. Social networking by players and others, too many interviews mandated by the NFL as part of TV deals, and the need for reporters to get the "news" first, virtually immediately and without fact-checking, is creating a vortex of contradictory messages that are confusing to fans.

In the past, a coach would say something like "We haven't been winning with Robert, so we're going with Colt this week". End of story. The fans could then speculate all they wanted but that one statement is just about all that would be coming out of Redskins Park. The Information Age has changed all that.

From now on, I'm going just to take the change at face value and not get caught up in the politics of the situation. If we win more games with Colt at QB, the problem is solved in the short term. If we don't win with Colt at QB, then it's next man up. I just want to win and I don't care who is at QB as long as we're winning.[/quote]

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The O line does indeed suck..and the missed blocks by the RB's just adds fuel to the fire. It really is a total team melt down at this point..Things don't look to good for next year either..what will be different? a few botched draft picks won't right this ship..after pulling for this team for over 40 nears i'm close to giving up on this mess..

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first get some good scouts

Then trade down, and horde draft picks like New England does