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Let Gruden pick a QB in the draft and trade RG3. Prediction: Gruden 2 seasons and done.

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Gruden needs another couple of seasons. There's a difference between a 3-8 coach who has shown a lack of competency, and a 3-8 coach who's trying to work with what has been given to him. Let's face it, RG3 lost the ball game yesterday. He was clearly the weakest link. I surprised McCoy didn't enter the game.

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[quote=skinsguy;1095747]Gruden needs another couple of seasons. There's a difference between a 3-8 coach who has shown a lack of competency, and a 3-8 coach who's trying to work with what has been given to him. Let's face it, RG3 lost the ball game yesterday. He was clearly the weakest link. I surprised McCoy didn't enter the game.[/quote]

Gruden lost that game by not inserting McCoy and not giving Moses any help or bringing in Palumbus and moving Compton to LT. He was content to let RGIII fail and lose the game in the process. Then he blamed the offensive players afterwards. That makes Gruden a loser in my book. That was a winnable game. I couldn't care less if Gruden were to resign tomorrow, if that is his attitude.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095750]Gruden lost that game by not inserting McCoy and not giving Moses any help or bringing in Palumbus and moving Compton to LT. He was content to let RGIII fail and lose the game in the process. Then he blamed the offensive players afterwards. That makes Gruden a loser in my book. That was a winnable game. I couldn't care less if Gruden were to resign tomorrow, if that is his attitude.[/quote]

LOL! Trent Williams, our only pro bowl linemen, had his hands full with Aldon Smith that last time the 'skins played the 49ers. What makes you think Compton would have faired any better at left tackle than Moses? Anyone who had the task of going up against Smith would have failed. There's no competent adjustments Gruden could have made on the offensive line. None. And don't even speak of Polumbus. LOL!!!

RGIII failed on his own. I understand he doesn't have all day to sit back and wait for a receiver to come wide open, but RGIII made a bad offensive line look even worse. Gruden gave Griffin plays to help build his confidence, and RGIII couldn't answer the bell. He even started mixing in some read option, and Griffin couldn't failed. I've been as big of an RGIII supporter as anybody on this forum, but even a blind man can see that RGIII just doesn't get it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095750]Gruden lost that game by not inserting McCoy and not giving Moses any help or bringing in Palumbus and moving Compton to LT. He was content to let RGIII fail and lose the game in the process. Then he blamed the offensive players afterwards. That makes Gruden a loser in my book. That was a winnable game. I couldn't care less if Gruden were to resign tomorrow, if that is his attitude.[/quote]

You keep saying the same thing. Why would you replace a player with a worse one? You can just switch Tackles like they are corners

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The Problem is not GRUDEN..It was never Shanny..it all is on SNYDER and The great Vinny! Looking back the RGIII pick should have never gone down..way too much to give up and the team had huge holes in other areas..what we are seeing now is the fruits of BAD decisions made years ago. How will they fix this mess you ask..well they need to fes' up and admit the blunder and move on..(RGIII is not the only top college Qb to fail in the NFL)..Lets say RGIII stays and Gruden goes..okay ..WHAT COACH WOULD EVER TAKE THIS JOB??..not a smart one for sure! RGIII IS DONE in washington. he may very well go someplace else and play okay but he is done here. The big question is what now?? whatever they do you cannot give the future away for one player! The rules in the NFL are so in favor of the offense that a journeyman type QB can have success.. Nobody has ever said RGIII is not a GREAT ATHELETE ..WAY BETTER than Colt ..but you know what if Colt had started every game this year we would most likely be in the mix instead of 3 wins i believe we would have 6 maybe 7 wins right now.. Remember we wasted games on Cousins. The coaches have total given up on RGIII ..he most likely will not start next game or if he does he will be pulled quick ..I say McCoy behind a better OLINE is way better than this RGIII mess..AT LEAST Colt has the understanding and can read the defense , that alone is a huge upgrade.

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[quote=skinsguy;1095757]LOL! Trent Williams, our only pro bowl linemen, had his hands full with Aldon Smith that last time the 'skins played the 49ers. What makes you think Compton would have faired any better at left tackle than Moses? Anyone who had the task of going up against Smith would have failed. There's no competent adjustments Gruden could have made on the offensive line. None. And don't even speak of Polumbus. LOL!!!

RGIII failed on his own. I understand he doesn't have all day to sit back and wait for a receiver to come wide open, but RGIII made a bad offensive line look even worse. Gruden gave Griffin plays to help build his confidence, and RGIII couldn't answer the bell. He even started mixing in some read option, and Griffin couldn't failed. I've been as big of an RGIII supporter as anybody on this forum, but even a blind man can see that RGIII just doesn't get it.[/quote]

I see you conveniently overlooked the idea of bringing in Colt. And Gruden could certainly have used a TE or RB to help out Moses. Yet he did neither. I'm not supporting the way RGIII has been playing but [U]this particular game was winnable[/U] and Gruden did not do enough to win it. A coach should always try to win, right? Right?

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Bucket, see my post directly above ^. He didn't need to switch tackles but he should have done [U]something[/U] to win this game. You're letting Gruden off the hook too easily for this [U]particular[/U] failure.

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[quote=rocnrik;1095759]The Problem is not GRUDEN..It was never Shanny..it all is on SNYDER and The great Vinny! Looking back the RGIII pick should have never gone down..way too much to give up and the team had huge holes in other areas..what we are seeing now is the fruits of BAD decisions made years ago. How will they fix this mess you ask..well they need to fes' up and admit the blunder and move on..(RGIII is not the only top college Qb to fail in the NFL)..Lets say RGIII stays and Gruden goes..okay ..WHAT COACH WOULD EVER TAKE THIS JOB??..not a smart one for sure! RGIII IS DONE in washington. he may very well go someplace else and play okay but he is done here. The big question is what now?? whatever they do you cannot give the future away for one player! The rules in the NFL are so in favor of the offense that a journeyman type QB can have success.. Nobody has ever said RGIII is not a GREAT ATHELETE ..WAY BETTER than Colt ..but you know what if Colt had started every game this year we would most likely be in the mix instead of 3 wins i believe we would have 6 maybe 7 wins right now.. Remember we wasted games on Cousins. The coaches have total given up on RGIII ..he most likely will not start next game or if he does he will be pulled quick ..I say McCoy behind a better OLINE is way better than this RGIII mess..AT LEAST Colt has the understanding and can read the defense , that alone is a huge upgrade.[/quote]I think Snyder is the main cause, but others bear some responsibility too.

The Haynesworth deal, tying up so much money, I agree that's on Snyder and Cerrato (and Mara for the bogus cap penalty when the Skins got out from under it).

The RG3 pick, I think that's on Mike Shanahan, as is our lack of talent. I don't think Shanny did that bad a job, but our OL and other position problems are currently Mike's responsibility (maybe in a couple years say its Allen or Gruden's lineup?).

And the RG3 pick could have still worked if Griffin Jr and Sr had listened to the famed head coach that picked him, and kept running the system Mike and Kyle whipped up for him. Guess we know now it wasn't the read option that was getting RG3 banged up and hurt. He's still a pinata back there, and can mess up his ankle just jumping up and down.

Yeah, I agree, should have put McCoy in. Shame, because if only Griffin would play like it was 2012, he could lead us to wins, while building on his pocket skills.

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Look at what Bruce brought in with his first round of free agents:

Luavao - We could get the same performance from a back up like McRib. Has not helped one bit.

Porter - Like Luavao, I told people Porter would be a horrible signing

Roberts - I like it, but we havent gotten any consistency from the offense nor the special teams for him to shine. So his impact has been minimal

Ryan fuckin Clark - bigger disaster than originally thought. missed tackle to end the game was appropriate

DJax - hands down the allstar of the group...great signing.

Hatcher - I still like this signing, Im bringing him back next year.


My biggest problem with Bruce is the job he failed to due in regards to ignoring the TE position where we have suffered mightly and keeping Chester and Polumbus on the roster. These decisions have killed us.


Jay doesnt have alot to work with folks with wide gapping holes are ignored in the offseason or guys with bring in arent producing.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095760]I see you conveniently overlooked the idea of bringing in Colt. [B]And Gruden could certainly have used a TE or RB to help out Moses. [/B]Yet he did neither. I'm not supporting the way RGIII has been playing but [U]this particular game was winnable[/U] and Gruden did not do enough to win it. A coach should always try to win, right? Right?[/quote]

Id wait for the film breakdown to see how often moses was left 1 on 1 in situations when he shouldnt have.

Was it supposed to be quick pass plays when he was left 1 on 1?

Did a TE or RB occasionally blow his assignment of chipping or staying and helping? our TE blocking has been pretty bad this year.

Did we have to give Moses help on every single passing play?

A lot of unknowns.

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Pretty sure Helu will be found guilty of forgetting his responsibilities on that last play.

Also, SF's offense is really bad, that is Griffin with a much better offensive line. Kaepernick does alot of the same stuff Griffin does, but he has alot more confidence. So our defense better not forget what Tampa just did to them.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1095762]I think Snyder is the main cause, but others bear some responsibility too.

The Haynesworth deal, tying up so much money, I agree that's on Snyder and Cerrato (and Mara for the bogus cap penalty when the Skins got out from under it).

[B]The RG3 pick, I think that's on Mike Shanahan[/B], as is our lack of talent. I don't think Shanny did that bad a job, but our OL and other position problems are currently Mike's responsibility (maybe in a couple years say its Allen or Gruden's lineup?).

[B]And the RG3 pick could have still worked if Griffin Jr and Sr had listened to the famed head coach that picked him, and kept running the system Mike and Kyle whipped up for him[/B]. Guess we know now it wasn't the read option that was getting RG3 banged up and hurt. He's still a pinata back there, and can mess up his ankle just jumping up and down.

Yeah, I agree, should have put McCoy in. Shame, because if only Griffin would play like it was 2012, he could lead us to wins, while building on his pocket skills.[/quote]

All the leaks point to shanny wanting cutler, manning and then tannenhill. But i dont care who made the decision. the answer will not help the skins going forward imo. we made an organizational decision to go all-in on a chance at a franchise QB .. and it didnt work out. i still like the decision to do what you can to land a potential HOF at the QB position. when posed with a similar decision in the future, I hope the answer is yes. albeit, a better scouted decision.

I dont think the 2012 formula was sustainable. what the shannys' did in 2012 was magical. it was special. the combination of RO, shanny's zone blocking scheme, Alfmo being a perfect zone runner .. lead to many of RG3's first and only read being wide open. in 2012 you heard rumblings that Kyle wanted RG3 to be better at reading the field but had to limit his passing plays to just be focused on one half of the field to simplify it for RG3.

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To a certain degree, when it came to the roster, we have been handicapped by the penalty the last couple of years. Going forward, I think BA needs to be held to a higher standard.

With that said, the Luavo signing is the only one I think was a complete wash because better guards for the same price were available. For an amount comparable to what we spent, we could have had Asamoah or Beadles. Both would have been solid additions, particularly Beadles as we was from Denver's zone blocking scheme. At the same time, there wasn't a whole lot of talent out there.

As for Porter & Clark, they were in positions of high demand - particularly Clark. As much as I originally wanted him, glad J.Byrd got his bazillions from someone else. It was frustrating to watch Delmas, Whitner, Ward & Jenkins all go for what seemed affordable contracts. At the same time, between injury concerns, age and prior play, none of these seemed a particular upgrade except possibly Ward. Still wish we had taken a flyer on Delmas, but the others have not demonstrated that the FO's opinion was all that wrong. Bottom line, Clark was the leftover on a pile of warmed over mediocrity.

As for Porter, he was intended to be a cheap slot corner - at most. Never saw him as anything other than competition for the 3rd CB position with no guarantee to even make the roster - that he did speaks volumes for the lack of young depth. Our starters were supposed to be Hall and Amerson. Well, that didn't go as planned. At the same time, Breeland is getting some great experience and [I]next year[/I], our top three should be Amerson, Breeland with (hopefully) Hall coming in as the 3rd CB and/or generic DB depth. I am good with that. Breeland & Amerson as the top 2 going forward makes me really, really happy. Throw in Hall as depth/slot corner and we have a real strength going forward.

To me, it is hard to judge Roberts, I still like him. I think he plays solid and runs good routes - but drops some balls he shouldn't.

Jackson & Hatcher - great & good signings. D.Jax fell into our laps and I am glad BA pounced on it. Hatcher has been very good at times and is part of D that has a lot of solid players but no real playmakers.

We overbid on no one and most of us were pretty happy with that. I am hopeful that in the future we continue to look ot the draft (mainly) for parts, lock up our good young players, and resist the urge to win the offseason. It may not be much, but that is - IMHO - one of the few non-dysfunctional things the team has done lately (UFA frugality) and, hopefully, something that they continue to build.

Better scouting seems to be needed but we have had a lot of mid-round hits of late and (other than potentially RGIII) not a lot of busts (Robinson, Breeland, Alf Mo, Helu).

With all that said, - I just don't know how this team makes it out of the quagmire of "bad team land."

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[quote=over the mountain;1095797]Id wait for the film breakdown to see how often moses was left 1 on 1 in situations when he shouldnt have.

Was it supposed to be quick pass plays when he was left 1 on 1?

Did a TE or RB occasionally blow his assignment of chipping or staying and helping? our TE blocking has been pretty bad this year.

Did we have to give Moses help on every single passing play?

A lot of unknowns.[/quote]

Moses and Long at oline were both seen a project picks where it might take several years. I dont see Moses as a surprise...actually thought overall he was better than expected yesterday.

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[quote=Chico23231;1095806]Moses and Long at oline were both seen a project picks where it might take several years. I dont see Moses as a surprise...actually thought overall he was better than expected yesterday.[/quote]

yeah i didnt think moses was horrible horrible. he was actually better than i expected considering who he is at this early stage and who he was going up against.

Porter and lauvau - both were questionable signings at the time. Porter is by far our highest paid secondary player. browns fans were really surprised a team pounced on lauvau and were happy he was gone ... we see why. he is just a body out there. like many have said. le rib or gettis or mo hurt could just be a guy out there for a lot less money ... that could have been used to sign Ward!

missing out on ward - i admittedly dint know much about his game but he seemed like the perfect guy to add at the time .. not a high high priced guy (signed for 5 mil per?) like Bryd (50+ mil?) but was young, plays well and was let go bc of salary crunch not performance. Ward was the smart man's solution to FS ... and we totally whiffed.

clark - we dangled a basically vet min 1 yr contract to clark who left it on the table for weeks until he saw that he either signed with us or retired for lack of league interest. Clark is what he is. a player that quite frankly, no one else wanted. hopefully he is a valuable contributing member to our young players from Monday to Saturday.

How is that RT from the bucs that the raiders signed panning out? i forgot his name but was disappointed we didnt add him to RT for the next 2 years. He was a LT for the Bucs so he would have been perfect to slide over to LT now that Trent is hurt ...

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[quote=sevier2;1095738]I believe in Gruden. He's sitting in a situation he never would have imagined when signing on here and he's handling it well, as much as people don't believe.

He's exactly what the Redskins as a franchise need.

He's not going to let a QB, who's been in the league less than 3 years, run his team.

He's not going to allow anybody who misses team meetings (Amerson) to play on Sunday. Even if we're hurting at that position.

He's also not guaranteeing anybody a job because they're starters this year. Each and every player on this roster is going to EARN their spot. (Seattle anybody??)

We finally have a coach who is going to set the tone and get his players to respect and buy in to HIM. This is a team sport and he's not going to allow any players to rise above that fact.

Anybody who wants to get rid of Gruden needs to realize that this is what we've done for the past 15 years and where are we? We FINALLY have a competent coach who can motivate (the right) players. Getting rid of him starts yet ANOTHER rebuild which we don't need.

We need consistency and cohesiveness. Gruden can establish that.[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095760]I see you conveniently overlooked the idea of bringing in Colt. And Gruden could certainly have used a TE or RB to help out Moses. Yet he did neither. I'm not supporting the way RGIII has been playing but [U]this particular game was winnable[/U] and Gruden did not do enough to win it. A coach should always try to win, right? Right?[/quote]

No, I didn't conveniently overlook the idea of bringing in Colt. I'm just simply looking at this from a level head. The Redskins were still in a position to win the ball game, and RGIII was given a chance to respond. With all the crap that went on in the media prior to the game, this was the best thing for Gruden to do - and that's to stick with Griffin and give him a chance to play through his struggles. Griffin had a golden chance to redeem himself in the eyes of the fans and his coaching staff. He didn't get the job done. Let's be realistic. The Redskins' season was over when they lost to Tampa Bay. You spend several #1 picks on a quarterback, you expect him to win you ball games in the situation the 'skins were in yesterday. Gruden needed to know if Griffin could pull this game out. He didn't.

I'm not even going to address the idea of leaving a back or TE in to block. Many of those sacks Griffin took were because he held onto the ball too long. There were receivers open. Griffin just can't react quick enough. His speed in 2012 covered up a lot of his mistakes. He no longer has that speed, so he has less room for error.

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[quote=sevier2;1095738]I believe in Gruden. He's sitting in a situation he never would have imagined when signing on here and he's handling it well, as much as people don't believe.

He's exactly what the Redskins as a franchise need.

He's not going to let a QB, who's been in the league less than 3 years, run his team.

He's not going to allow anybody who misses team meetings (Amerson) to play on Sunday. Even if we're hurting at that position.

He's also not guaranteeing anybody a job because they're starters this year. Each and every player on this roster is going to EARN their spot. (Seattle anybody??)

We finally have a coach who is going to set the tone and get his players to respect and buy in to HIM. This is a team sport and he's not going to allow any players to rise above that fact.

Anybody who wants to get rid of Gruden needs to realize that this is what we've done for the past 15 years and where are we? We FINALLY have a competent coach who can motivate (the right) players. Getting rid of him starts yet ANOTHER rebuild which we don't need.

We need consistency and cohesiveness. Gruden can establish that.[/quote]

Great post. On the money.

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Gruden can't run the team, so saying he's not going to let RG3 run the team begs the question

Who will run it?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095739]When he put Colt Mc Coy in, he will seal his own fate.[/quote]

So ... it really isn't about wins for you. Colt McKoy, 2-0 as a Skins starter.

[quote][B]The Redskins are 3-17 in [Griffin's] last 20 full games played [/B]and he's not the same explosive player he was in 2012. He looked that way in the spring; but now he doesn't make defenders miss like he once did.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13233/second-thoughts-redskins-niners]Second thoughts: Washington Redskins-San Francisco 49ers, Week 12 - ESPN[/url]

I knew it was unimpressive, but I just blanked out the math b/c I like the guy so much. All his fault? No. But as G84C so accurately pointed out in his criticism of KC, it's a bottom line league and RGIII's bottom line these last 20 games is 3-17.

3-17. Let that sink in for a moment.

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I'm most annoyed that Griffin's family had special privileges at Redskin's Park until this past week or so that other players families did not - WTF!!! I thought that Bruce Allen was brought in to help change the star system culture around here. If you give the so called star special perks, and he plays like Griffin has the last two years, it cannot have anything but negative ramifications in the locker room. There is a reason his teammates didn't nominate him captain - it's clear that he isn't held in the same esteem as he was by his own locker room.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1095903]I'm most annoyed that Griffin's family had special privileges at Redskin's Park until this past week or so that other players families did not - WTF!!! I thought that Bruce Allen was brought in to help change the star system culture around here. If you give the so called star special perks, and he plays like Griffin has the last two years, it cannot have anything but negative ramifications in the locker room. There is a reason his teammates didn't nominate him captain - it's clear that he isn't held in the same esteem as he was by his own locker room.[/quote]

The danny boy's boy doing. No wonder this organization is ran so poorly

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[quote=SouperMeister;1095903]I'm most annoyed that Griffin's family had special privileges at Redskin's Park until this past week or so that other players families did not - WTF!!! I thought that Bruce Allen was brought in to help change the star system culture around here. If you give the so called star special perks, and he plays like Griffin has the last two years, it cannot have anything but negative ramifications in the locker room. There is a reason his teammates didn't nominate him captain - it's clear that he isn't held in the same esteem as he was by his own locker room.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. I fear Bruce has lost his spine and become somewhat of a yes man.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1095903]I'm most annoyed that Griffin's family had special privileges at Redskin's Park until this past week or so that other players families did not - WTF!!! I thought that Bruce Allen was brought in to help change the star system culture around here. If you give the so called star special perks, and he plays like Griffin has the last two years, it cannot have anything but negative ramifications in the locker room. There is a reason his teammates didn't nominate him captain - it's clear that he isn't held in the same esteem as he was by his own locker room.[/quote]

Outrageous but true....the Redskins are running a circus!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1095868]So ... it really isn't about wins for you. Colt McKoy, 2-0 as a Skins starter.



[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13233/second-thoughts-redskins-niners]Second thoughts: Washington Redskins-San Francisco 49ers, Week 12 - ESPN[/url]

I knew it was unimpressive, but I just blanked out the math b/c I like the guy so much. All his fault? No. But as G84C so accurately pointed out in his criticism of KC, it's a bottom line league and RGIII's bottom line these last 20 games is 3-17.

3-17. Let that sink in for a moment.[/quote]






Colt McCoy is Colt McCoy....go ahead and try it.

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... and, at this point, what is RGIII?

Colt is a mediocre QB who should be a back-up. The fact that he is the best QB on the roster right speaks volumes about the Skins problems.

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RG3 has two touchdown passes in 5 games. If he had played all 16 games he would end up with 6-7 td passes this year. That is pathetic.

Watching him and stats confirm how bad he is.

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I'm not sure where those rumors of special privileges for Griffin's family started, but they're just not true

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1095943]I'm not sure where those rumors of special privileges for Griffin's family started, but they're just not true[/QUOTE]


This coming from a guy who has special privileges on the Warpath? Lol.
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Seriously though I was surprised reading this last night and just couldnt see it? How supposedly were they treated better than other families? Better food? Better parking? Allowed to smoke some of Snyders special stash?


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This is where I first heard about the special treatment that RG3 was getting from Dan Snyder...

[URL] http://www.businessinsider.com/redskins-tough-on-robert-griffin-iii-2014-11?utm_source=mobilesrepublic&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=mobilesrepublic [/URL]

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That's quite an exaggeration

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RG3 sacrificed his body for the team, what has Colt McCoy done? 1 and a half games. Once Gruden makes the switch it is permanent. Would you risk your livelihood on Colt McCoy? Be honest.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1095962]That's quite an exaggeration[/QUOTE]
I agree that while the article I linked to above is a bit bombastic, I do tend to believe the old saying "Where's there's smoke, there's fire"

I have heard some of the local broadcasters say that RG3 was given some special treatment from Dan Snyder.

I have also heard the same local broadcasters mention just recently that several of the Redskins players have turned against RG3.

So, while I do agree that the article seems to be over-selling the problems, I do think that they exist.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1095962]That's quite an exaggeration[/quote]

SS, Does Jay have support from inside the organization on his handling of RG3? Or is it still split from within?

Any insight much appreciated.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095964]RG3 sacrificed his body for the team, what has Colt McCoy done? 1 and a half games. Once Gruden makes the switch it is permanent. Would you risk your livelihood on Colt McCoy? Be honest.[/quote]G84, they all sacrifice their bodies for the team.

Thought you wanted the QB with the best record....

Right now, McCoy gives us our best chance of winning. Start Colt, and have RG3....
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The rest of the season is not about winning. It is figuring out if RGIII has it or not. So for not.

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[quote=mredskins;1095978]The rest of the season is not about winning. It is figuring out if RGIII has it or not. So for not.[/quote]I think its unfair to the rest of the team, especially those with performance incentives in their contract, to not try to win every game.

You just don't throw a game. Period. IMO.

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1095964]RG3 sacrificed his body for the team, what has Colt McCoy done? 1 and a half games. Once Gruden makes the switch it is permanent. Would you risk your livelihood on Colt McCoy? Be honest.[/QUOTE]


Its about now not 2012. My guess is Gruden could care less about 2012.
Nothing is permanent. In Colts 1-1/2 games he has more wins than RG-3 has in many many weeks. Im not going to hold it against him that he did not suffer a major injury against Dallas. Lol.


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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095964]RG3 sacrificed his body for the team, [B]what has Colt McCoy done?[/B] 1 and a half games. Once Gruden makes the switch it is permanent. Would you risk your livelihood on Colt McCoy? Be honest.[/quote]

Won the games he has played in.