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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1097921]



Would we have any consistency (like the damn Cowboys) through the draft?

Can our FO switch out personnel effectively in two years?[/QUOTE]


Agreed. Say what you want about Jerry, but he stuck with Garrett far longer than his fanbase (our ours) would have. They've known exactly how to draft every year, starting with that O-line.

When Dallas eventually makes their inevitable playoff tumble, their squad is still set up for success (even if they let Garrett go at some point).

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014120708/2014/REG14/rams@redskins/videos/0ap3000000440161]Watch St. Louis Rams vs. Washington Redskins [12/07/2014] - NFL.com[/url]



He is not head coach material.

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[quote=itvnetop;1098275]Agreed. Say what you want about Jerry, but he stuck with Garrett far longer than his fanbase (our ours) would have. They've known exactly how to draft every year, starting with that O-line.

When Dallas eventually makes their inevitable playoff tumble, their squad is still set up for success (even if they let Garrett go at some point).[/quote]

I think Jerry has a lot of good people that do enough to keep him from f*cking things up. Like when they stop him from getting Johnny Jackass during the draft.

Too bad Bruce Allen doesn't have anyone preventing him from making dumb mistakes.

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I was totally on the Gruden bandwagon for a long time, but I'm extremely discouraged with this team right now. We were absolutely not ready to play today. It wasn't a thing of talent or lack of depth, we just weren't ready to play. And it seems like there's no discipline on this team at all... penalties, dumb plays, and a seeming lack of effort for much of the season.

Gruden needs at least one more year, because this is a loser organization and he's working with losers, but I'm not nearly as hopeful about the future now as I was 2 months ago. I voted "2" on the poll.

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Both teams are not going to the playoffs. But just watching the game today, you could just tell which team wanted to be out there, you could tell which team was really playing hard, and which one was just going through the motions.

Also, Phillip Thomas is just terrible.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1098261]Other than this is the Redskins, give us one good reason why the coach of the worst secondary that any of us has ever seen should be named interim coach? To punish him, perhaps?

I can hardly wait until Raheem Morris is fired.[/quote]

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting its a good idea, I was just pointing out that things suck that bad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097877]Well, Bruce Allen's first choice was David Shaw[/quote]



Bruce wanted David Shaw.
Dan wanted Jon Gruden.

They settled for Jay.

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[quote=Hog1;1097926]Just heard Cooley on a pregame interview. According to him, naturally he still has many friends on the team that talk to him straight. He stated the team is totally behind Jay, that they love the direction he is trying to take the team. They love his honesty and leadership. They believe he CAN get it done....
Love to hear this, especially under the circumstances we are operating.[/quote]

Totes meaningless. Players said same about Shanahan while here, and that story changed the minute he left the building. It will be the same with Gruden.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098308]Totes meaningless. Players said same about Shanahan while here, and that story changed the minute he left the building. It will be the same with Gruden.[/quote]
Do you have a connection with the team? Where does your info come from? I appreciate your input, but at least....on the surface, I would value CC's opinion on the issue over yours.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1098303]Bruce wanted David Shaw.
Dan wanted Jon Gruden.

They settled for Jay.[/quote]
Typical, the curse of the Danny strikes again...guess the younger fans can take solace in that they will hopefully outlive the little bastard.

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[url=http://deadspin.com/jeff-fisher-taunts-skins-with-rg3-trade-haul-before-gam-1668003792?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow]Jeff Fisher Taunts 'Skins With RG3 Trade Haul Before Game[/url]

Worst Team in the NFL #JOKE

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Voted 2, have no real confidence in Gruden. Matter of fact he has pretty much failed at this point. His job was to make Griffin a better QB which for whatever reason did not work out. The franchise is total wasteland, calling it a dumpster fire, does not capture the magnitude of how bad it is, this is more on the scale of a Chernobyl/Fukushima. What a friggin disaster.

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[quote=Stacks42;1098322][url=http://deadspin.com/jeff-fisher-taunts-skins-with-rg3-trade-haul-before-gam-1668003792?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow]Jeff Fisher Taunts 'Skins With RG3 Trade Haul Before Game[/url]

Worst Team in the NFL #JOKE[/quote]

That is brilliant!

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1098288][URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014120708/2014/REG14/rams@redskins/videos/0ap3000000440161"]Watch St. Louis Rams vs. Washington Redskins [12/07/2014] - NFL.com[/URL]



He is not head coach material.[/quote]

That press conference was pure trash, Gruden looks in so over his head it is not even funny. It looked like he was reading off a piece of paper or notes...wouldn't surprise if Danny was too cheap to buy a teleprompter.

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[quote=Hog1;1098318]Do you have a connection with the team? Where does your info come from? I appreciate your input, but at least....on the surface, I would value CC's opinion on the issue over yours.[/quote]

No no nothing inside I'm talking about public comments. There were players supporting Mike right up to the bitter end. Soon as he was fired players said happy to move on. Doesn't have to be same players.

Gruden is even worse than Mike, way over his head. Players can't enjoy it. Looking like clowns isn't fun.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098308]Totes meaningless. Players said same about Shanahan while here, and that story changed the minute he left the building. It will be the same with Gruden.[/quote]

Not at all. Players were stating their dislike for Shanahan well before he got canned. I will say I agree with you that you will hear players state their disdain for Gruden. Nobody will ever please everyone

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1096989]I don't want him to be one and done. I want to see what he can do when he has legit weapons and depth at most positions.

Although if we could get a proven winner and a coach who KNOWS what type of atmosphere they're entering into once they set foot in Redskins Park and what they're working with, I would not be opposed to ousting him.[/quote]

At this point no up and coming coaching candidate or GM is going to want to come here. Why do you think Zorn got the gig? Nobody wanted to come here. It'll be the same story when Grudens fired (whether its this year orwhenever).

The only coaches we'll get is guys who nobody else wanted or who obviously aren't HC material. Mainly Snyder will want to hire puppets. Some poor SOB who wants to be a coach so badly he'll go with whatever the big wig wants even if he knows better until he gets sacked and we go through the whole thing again.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1096999]But who would be a legitimate GM choice at this point?[/quote]Scott Pioli and John Schneider, just to name a couple.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1098337]At this point no up and coming coaching candidate or GM is going to want to come here. Why do you think Zorn got the gig? Nobody wanted to come here. It'll be the same story when Grudens fired (whether its this year orwhenever).

The only coaches we'll get is guys who nobody else wanted or who obviously aren't HC material. Mainly Snyder will want to hire puppets. Some poor SOB who wants to be a coach so badly he'll go with whatever the big wig wants even if he knows better until he gets sacked and we go through the whole thing again.[/quote]

Go ahead and change your nMe to Debbie Downer. There would have been a ton of coaches who would have taken over Gibbs team. Double G was the maiden in waiting but they effed that up. There would have been others too. And there'll be good candidates after Gruden too.

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Prick

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000440256/article/jeff-fisher-trolls-redskins-during-opening-coin-toss]Jeff Fisher trolls Redskins during opening coin toss - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=SouperMeister;1098339]Scott Pioli and John Schneider, just to name a couple.[/quote]

Pioli would be my choice with bruce as the team prez.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1098339]Scott Pioli and John Schneider, just to name a couple.[/quote]

I thought Pioli didn't do that well in KC when he left the Patriots. Things only got better there when Reid showed up.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098345]I thought Pioli didn't do that well in KC when he left the Patriots. Things only got better there when Reid showed up.[/quote]

Reid took over a ton of talent Pioli drafted/signed. He would be huge upgrade over what we have, but we also need the coaching upgrade. It's all doable.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1098303]Bruce wanted David Shaw.
[B]Dan wanted Jon Gruden.[/B]

They settled for Jay.[/quote]

Seems to me the more reason for Gruden to make RG3 work.

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IMO We don't want Pioli. There are many stories of his paranoia and weird behavior in KC, such as bugging the offices of others, etc. Maybe none of the stories are true but perhaps where there is smoke...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098341]Prick

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000440256/article/jeff-fisher-trolls-redskins-during-opening-coin-toss]Jeff Fisher trolls Redskins during opening coin toss - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

I don't know, i think it is kind of funny

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Bill Polan

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[quote=Defensewins;1097762]Since our team has been so good and winning consistently before Gruden arrived, clearly Gruden is the problem.
Snyder and the FO has done an exceptional job in getting us such incredible talent in the last 14-15 years Snyder has owned the team and they have never broken rules or been penalized. So it is not them. Consistently a playoff team during the 14 years.
Plus add the the fact the RGIII has never had a problem with other coaches in his 3 years in the NFL. There was a love affair with the last coaching staff. RGIII's play on the field that last two years has been incredible MVP like and he is an Iron Man when it comes to injuries. He is very humble and welcomes criticism, very evident in the post game press conference where he has never blamed his teammates. He works so hard that his footwork and technique is Hall of Fame level. Top notch!
So clearly Gruden who has been here 8 month (?) is the problem.........
Plus there are so many excellent coaches that are dieing to come work here. They'll just show up with a magic playbook, call the right plays and we will win again.[/quote]

LMAO! Thats the best answer ever for the RG3 Gruden debate.

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Again nothing matters because Dan is the owner! Idc if fucking Vince Lombardi (rip)
was the HC and bill Parcells was the gm we would still suck ass. Dan literally has cursed the franchise

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We weren't that good before Snyder took over either.

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Agree but was way better than this shit. Idk what it will take to make us a good team again it sucks. Someone posted yesterday how we were like 70 games over 500 20 years ago and now we r like 11? Holy shit that's sad

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1098357]I don't know, i think it is kind of funny[/quote]

I thought so, too. The person they really gave the finger to was Snyder, who pushed for the trade. Hopefully Dan will learn from his humiliation.

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If you're not winning games might as well take pride in "winning" a trade I guess. Though I'm not sure how a trade can be won if it's not resulting in wins on the field.

Sounds like it's a beef between Allen and Fisher to be specific.

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Well, fine. Let Allen learn from his humiliation not to allow such trades to happen.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1098398]Agree but was way better than this shit. Idk what it will take to make us a good team again it sucks. Someone posted yesterday how we were like 70 games over 500 20 years ago and now we r like 11? Holy shit that's sad[/quote]

Way better? Do you remember the mid 90s at all? We've been a consistent loser since Gibbs 1.0.

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Man, I've been a Redskins fan forever and never missed a play. Watched the whole game again today, but if something doesn't change soon and the Redskins I fell in love with don't come back. I don't know how much more of this I can take, because this is not a Redskins football team. This is a joke.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1096989]

Although if we could get a proven winner and a coach who KNOWS what type of atmosphere they're entering into once they set foot in Redskins Park and what they're working with, I would not be opposed to ousting him.[/quote]


......you mean like Mike Shanahan?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1097021]Fire the coach after one year??? You want to know why the Redskins are a perpetual cluster fuck? It's because Dan Snyder is just like some of you guys. In a way, you both deserve each other.[/quote]


You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.

We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.

How many seasons must we waste?

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1098351]Seems to me the more reason for Gruden to make RG3 work.[/QUOTE]


If it were only that easy....,


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[QUOTE=Avinash_Tyagi;1098484]You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.



We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.



How many seasons must we waste?[/QUOTE]


Maybe next season will be, but I dont think it is possible to adress the horrid oline, horrid db's, and a qb in one offseason.


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