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[quote=skinsfan69;1099341]Gruden and Griffin need to part ways. Gruden obviously doesn't believe in him, Griffin could probably use a change of scenery. If both are back, Griffin will have to compete for not only the job, but maybe even a roster spot.[/quote]

It wont matter Gruden suks if we get rid of RG3 then who will he blame. RG3 is not playing now and his coaching skills look suspect.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1099332]Cousins is horrified of being hit. Gruden likes him best, but he shits his pants.[/quote]u have the qbs confused, relative of the griffins. Terrified of getting hit is rg3s thing, you projecting much?

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It's easier to find solid HC these days than a solid QB. I can't think of a single QB available in FA/draft who will be an upgrade over RG. He did great today with the bootlegs and rolls outs. The passing game stalled when Gruden called pocket plays. That's also when the oline broke down.

But if a guy like Harbaugh, Bowles, someone even mentioned double G. You take any of those guys over Gruden when the clock strikes midnight.

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1099815]It's easier to find solid HC these days than a solid QB. I can't think of a single QB available in FA/draft who will be an upgrade over RG. He did great today with the bootlegs and rolls outs. The passing game stalled when Gruden called pocket plays. That's also when the oline broke down.



But if a guy like Harbaugh, Bowles, someone even mentioned double G. You take any of those guys over Gruden when the clock strikes midnight.[/QUOTE]


How about when he had 37 open wr's running around that the entire effin world saw except for him? Thats not normal. Thats not something that "every" qb does. That is amateur hour at the effin apollo.

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He had 300+ all purpose yards and looked pretty good in the roll outs and bootlegs. And did it without DJax basically.

All QBs make some bad plays man. Romo had some doozies tonight. RG has a long way to go but he's the best QB on the roster today, higher future potential and a better option than what's available.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099392]u have the qbs confused, relative of the griffins. Terrified of getting hit is rg3s thing, you projecting much?[/quote]

You can accuse RG of many things but being afraid of being hit ain't one.

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If only this could turn out like Parcells\Simms. Or better yet...Noll\Bradshaw.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1099821]You can accuse RG of many things but being afraid of being hit ain't one.[/quote]

Agreed....Griffin has played reckless....he ain't afraid out there on the gridiron....

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I didnt get to see the game and the highlights are the same 2 plays.How did RG3 look? Were the sacks his fault? Did he lock on 1 receiver? Throw any passes over 15 yards downfield in the air?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1099821]You can accuse RG of many things but being afraid of being hit ain't one.[/quote]At least twice yesterday RG3 took a short drop, looked once, then dropped his head and started dancing in place before the rush got to him.

We call it "happy feet" when a QB does that, and yes it's when the QB is scared of getting hit.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1099886]I didnt get to see the game and the highlights are the same 2 plays.How did RG3 look? Were the sacks his fault? Did he lock on 1 receiver? Throw any passes over 15 yards downfield in the air?[/QUOTE]


Best he's looked since Minnesota. Still inconsistent though. A couple of the sacks were on him, but when Trent went out the line fell apart and gave up 3 sacks that I don't think you can pin on him.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099889]At least twice yesterday RG3 took a short drop, looked once, then dropped his head and started dancing in place before the rush got to him.

We call it "happy feet" when a QB does that, and yes it's when the QB is scared of getting hit.[/quote]

That's actually more that a QB doesn't trust his eyes and is looking at the rush not downfield. QB's being scared of being hit don't run into danger as often as RG3 does. He's more reckless than scared. It's very difficult to be both.

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RG3 was far from perfect, but he played with desire yesterday, we saw glimpses of the old 2012 RG3 out there, especially on that should have been a touchdown run at the end of the 1st half.

I think the end result was more bad coaching by Gruden than the players (although our O-line still has massive problems)

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1099821]You can accuse RG of many things but being afraid of being hit ain't one.[/quote]

He has largely played with confidence and..........bravado. One of the traits I admire in him.

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Giving up on RG now would be incredibly stupid. He needs to be coached up and given better protection.

I'm almost thinking we should draft offensive tackle with first pick. How long since we had bookend tackles? Samuels and Jansen. I remember those days fondly.

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[quote=Mattyk;1099892]Best he's looked since Minnesota. Still inconsistent though. A couple of the sacks were on him, but when Trent went out the line fell apart and gave up 3 sacks that I don't think you can pin on him.[/quote]

Ok thanks

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[quote=Rotten1980;1099927]Giving up on RG now would be incredibly stupid. He needs to be coached up and given better protection.

I'm [B][I][U]almost[/U][/I][/B] thinking we should draft offensive tackle with first pick. How long since we had bookend tackles? Samuels and Jansen. I remember those days fondly.[/quote]

Almost? Nothing would be wiser unless they can trade if for three 1s and a 2nd.

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[quote=punch it in;1099817]How about when he had 37 open wr's running around that the entire effin world saw except for him? Thats not normal. Thats not something that "every" qb does. That is amateur hour at the effin apollo.[/quote]

[IMG]http://i1.wp.com/hail22.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/McCoy-missed-touchdown-1b.png?resize=750%2C410[/IMG]

Explanation: this QB had two receivers open in the end zone for a quick TD and never even looked their way. Instead, he throws to a covered Young in the flat and the pass is incomplete.

Question: who is this QB?

Hint: it's not Griffin.

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Our first score should have offered RGIII a positive learning feedback loop. He played within the offense rather than freelancing. He got the ball out quick. And we scored.

IMO his fundamentals fell off after that. But if he focuses on that drive, Griffin has a chance to gain comfort and confidence as a pocket QB.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1099939][IMG]http://i1.wp.com/hail22.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/McCoy-missed-touchdown-1b.png?resize=750%2C410[/IMG]



Explanation: this QB had two receivers open in the end zone for a quick TD and never even looked their way. Instead, he throws to a covered Young in the flat and the pass is incomplete.



Question: who is this QB?



Hint: it's not Griffin.[/QUOTE]


I didnt say any of our quarterbacks were all that and a bag of chips.
Edit : when I said every QB, I meant every Starter. There are plenty of QB's that do not make it in the league as starters that do this. Thats probably why they are back ups.
Before you find a pic of a great qb doing this, it is only a problem if it's consistent.

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[quote=SirLK26;1099939][IMG]http://i1.wp.com/hail22.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/McCoy-missed-touchdown-1b.png?resize=750%2C410[/IMG]

Explanation: this QB had two receivers open in the end zone for a quick TD and never even looked their way. Instead, he throws to a covered Young in the flat and the pass is incomplete.

Question: who is this QB?

Hint: it's not Griffin.[/quote]

So what's your point? McCoy isn't the long term QB for this franchise. Griffin was suppose to be that guy

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1099956]So what's your point? McCoy isn't the long term QB for this franchise. Griffin was suppose to be that guy[/QUOTE]


Exactly

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rg3 starting this week

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Fix the offensive line first then blame the quarterbacks. Good teams and good qbs typically have at least fairly strong offensive lines. We have Trent and a bunch of dumpster fires up front.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1099961]Fix the offensive line first then blame the quarterbacks. Good teams and good qbs typically have at least fairly strong offensive lines. We have Trent and a bunch of dumpster fires up front.[/quote]

Agreed upon! The whole offense, including the play calling is underachieving because of this diarrhea offensive line!

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For a franchise that had The Hogs and won Super Bowls it sure is dumbfounding that the team never puts enough focus on either lines. And the guys we do draft don't ever seem to improve.

Please get a real general manager and let him hire an all new scouting department. Please!!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1099959]rg3 starting this week[/quote]

Good for him. I expect more of the same. He'll look good on a few drives, then he'll have a couple wr's running wide open and not throw them the ball. Or throw a WR screen 5 feet over the wr's head. But I'd rather have him out there then an injured McCoy.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1099966]For a franchise that had The Hogs and won Super Bowls it sure is dumbfounding that the team never puts enough focus on either lines. And the guys we do draft don't ever seem to improve.

Please get a real general manager and let him hire an all new scouting department. Please!!!![/quote]

They've put focus on the o-line. It's just that the players they're bringing in aren't good enough.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099967]Good for him. I expect more of the same. He'll look good on a few drives, then he'll have a couple wr's running wide open and not throw them the ball. Or throw a WR screen 5 feet over the wr's head. But I'd rather have him out there then an injured McCoy.[/quote]

We are beating Philly Sunday.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1099968]They've put focus on the o-line. It's just that the players they're bringing in aren't good enough.[/quote]

I mentioned that in my post in regards to a new gm/scouting team.

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[quote=Chico23231;1099971]We are beating Philly Sunday.[/quote]

Would be nice to play spoiler for the Parakeets.

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2 Grievances:

1. Gruden or whoever, were morally wrong for starting a QB with a strained neck. It's obvious Colt was in a lot of unbearable pain. I've lost all respect for Gruden.

2. Colt can never be a long term option because of his injury history. Severe head and neck injuries. That sounds like Colt is done.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1099971]We are beating Philly Sunday.[/QUOTE]


Stop it.

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[quote=punch it in;1099976]Stop it.[/quote]

It could possibly save Gruden's job. Chucky said it was like when Holmgren traded for Farve. He said Holmgren brought in QB coaches and told them the young QBs success was their success.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1099889]At least twice yesterday RG3 took a short drop, looked once, then dropped his head and started dancing in place before the rush got to him.

We call it "happy feet" when a QB does that, and yes it's when the QB is scared of getting hit.[/quote]

That's RG3 fighting his instincts to take off and run a touchdown.

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If Gruden commits to the run and calls bootlegs, roll outs and screens with play action for the downfield shots we'll start putting points on the board again.

Gruden has been flat stubborn trying to force RG to throw from the pocket too much, well guess what jowly, no QB on the roster has been successful from the pocket. Get a fuckin clue or get the fuck out.

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Both Manning's get happy feet as bad as any QB ever seen. So what?

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How much you want to bet we see more roll outs, play actions and moving of the pocket this Saturday?

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[quote=Chico23231;1099971]We are beating Philly Sunday.[/quote]

Not with RG3 starting. Unless our Offensive Line can hold defenders off for 5 seconds.

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I dont think you can lean on bootlegs and roll outs too much. You can mix it in and get creative moving the pocket around, but it seems like zone and leaving defenders in the flats is an easy way to take away boot legs/roll outs.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry8GlvH6rgg[/url]

grudens press conf from earlier today.

- he says this is RG3's team

- give robert every opportunity to succeed

- robert got hurt erly, kirk had the turnovers, colt took [the job] and ran with it, now we're back to robert

- i just want to see one of the QBs to take the job and run with it, hopefully we see it with robert this week

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RH9cPTB7ss[/url]

grudens post game press conf