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Like i've said dozens of times, this is the good ole boy network in action.

this is disgusting.

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[quote=over the mountain;1104801]Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerratto would have hired Wade Phillips.



(drops mic and walks away)[/quote]

(bruce allen picks up the mic and shoves it up my rear)
F... Bruce Allen!!!

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I wanted an experienced DC who also had NFL HC experience (Phillips, Schwartz, or Mangini, for example) so Jay Gruden could have a mentor on staff, as well. I think that Jay made a lot of rookie HC mistakes last season and he could still use some sage advice from time-to-time.

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So do this mean we are going to be a Tampa 2 4-3? I can dig it

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[quote=Mattyk;1104771]I admit not knowing much about the guy until his name first popped up. Detroit was a disaster, [B]not sure how much blame you can attach to anyone there at that time not named Millen.[/B][/quote]

Yup. It's not like they had a DL anchored by Suh and his buddies.

From Pro Football Reference here are the guys from Detroit's 0-16 squad:

Paris Lenon, Age: 31, Pos: MLB, Games: 16, Sacks: 1.5, Int.: 0, Tackles/Assists: 81/40.

Ernie Sims, Age: 24, Pos: RLB, Games: 16, Sacks: 1.0, Int.: 0, Tackles/Assists: 71/42.

Daniel Bullocks, Age: 25, Pos: SS, Games: 16, Sacks: 0, Int.: 0, Tackles/Assists: 60/30.

Kalvin Pearson, Age: 30, Pos: FS, Games: 16, Sacks: 1, Int.: 0, Tackles/Assists: 65/18.

Leigh Bodden, Age: 27, Pos: RCB, Games: 16, Sacks: 0, Int.: 0, Tackles/Assists: 61/12.

Ryan Nece, Age: 27, Pos: LLB, Games: 16, Sacks: 1.5, Int.: 1, Tackles/Assists: 45/23.

So three of your top six tacklers are DB's. Not a ringing endorsement of the talent level. The rest of the leaders on defense:

Dwight Smith: 33, SS
Dewayne White: 29, RDE, T/A: 28/10
Alex Lewis: 27, LB, 32/9
Cory Redding: 28, RDT, 31/7
Travis Fisher: 29, RCB, 30/7
Shaun Cody: 25, RDT, 25/11
Corey Smith: 29, DE, 25/5
Chartric Darby: 33, NT, 23/9
Jared DeVries: 32, LDE, 21/8
Brian Kelly: 32, LCB, 23/392
Cliff Avril: 22, DE, 17/5

Other than Avril (in his rookie year) and Sims, I hadn't heard of any of these guys. Seven years from now, others will probably say the same for most of our 2013-14 defense.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1104806]I wanted an experienced DC who also had NFL HC experience (Phillips, Schwartz, or Mangini, for example) so Jay Gruden could have a mentor on staff, as well. I think that Jay made a lot of rookie HC mistakes last season and he could still use some sage advice from time-to-time.[/quote]

Yup. This was another big reason I wanted Phillips.

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I have a feeling that they are feeling the hire out. Just like they worked Fassel. Feeding the reaction of the fanbase. Since the hire isn't official yet.

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Redskins fan logic:

Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!!

Raheem Morris interview: F*CK NO!! His secondary sucked!!! He didn't develop anyone!!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!!

Joe Barry hire: WTF??!!! His defense in Detroit 8 years ago sucked!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!! Why are we the only team that hires people that are known to the team FO??!!! WE'RE DOOOOMMMEEEEDDDD!!!

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[quote=HailGreen28;1104710]Well, wasn't Snyder a power-hungry asshole, despite the fanbase being told otherwise, from 1999 till 2004? And even then...

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4651/quick-takes-coaching-under-snyder"]Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”[/URL]

2008-2009, Snyder gave control to his good friend below, right?
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Thanks Snyder!

I dunno what to believe about Snyder vs. Shanahan. But Shanahan didn't have that kind of trouble in Denver, right? Was the situation in Oakland Shanny's fault or Al Davis (who had trouble with other coaches)? OTOH, we have had continuous drama with the Snyder Skins except Gibbs 2.0.

It seems like a mixed bag to me, but isn't it logical to assume Snyder is still a power hungry asshole until proven otherwise?[/quote]

That bit about Gibbs is important.

People are creating a false either/or between giving Snyder total power or no power.

As Gibbs shows us, the important thing is actually to find a workable middle ground.

Gibbs found the middle ground. Other good teams find the middle ground.

As we have seen with bad trades, controversies about starting QB's, and many other things, Bruce Allen does not find the middle ground.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104811]Yup. This was another big reason I wanted Phillips.[/quote]

I liked the fact that it took Phillips one season to turn that Texans defense around...and in the first year of their conversion to a 3-4. But oh well.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104814]Redskins fan logic:

Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!![/quote]

I know this isn't accurate. If anything, I haven't seen a single Skins fan that opposes Wade Phillips. It's more like they are wanting to riot if it's anything BUT Phillips.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104817]I liked the fact that it took Phillips one season to turn that Texans defense around...and in the first year of their conversion to a 3-4. But oh well.[/quote]

But Phillips did not work in Tampa, and we like to hire coaches with connections to Tampa, despite the fact that Tampa under Allen did not consistently win. But, hey, let's keep getting the Tampa band back together, regardless of whether they were sucky or not.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104818]I know this isn't accurate. If anything, I haven't seen a single Skins fan that opposes Wade Phillips. It's more like they are wanting to riot if it's anything BUT Phillips.[/quote]

You should really take a look at that thread about Phillips interviewing.


[quote=Lotus;1104820]But Phillips did not work in Tampa, and we like to hire coaches with connections to Tampa, despite the fact that Tampa under Allen did not consistently win. But, hey, let's keep getting the Tampa band back together, regardless of whether they were sucky or not.[/quote]

So we should focus on what coaches did 8 years ago and not what they've done recently? Okay.

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[quote=Lotus;1104816]That bit about Gibbs is important.

People are creating a false either/or between giving Snyder total power or no power.

As Gibbs shows us, the important thing is actually to find a workable middle ground.

Gibbs found the middle ground. Other good teams find the middle ground.

As we have seen with bad trades, controversies about starting QB's, and many other things, Bruce Allen does not find the middle ground.[/quote]That's on Snyder, imo. Doesn't matter what the HC/GM does, if the boss, the owner, isn't willing to work at it. It shouldn't take being a living legend to get Snyder to budge a little.

Snyder's been the meddler, from Turner (QB), to Schottenheimer (had to take control back), Spurrier (may have just been a trainwreck), to even Gibbs (above), Zorn ("All I told him was to take his hands out of his pockets"), to Shanny (claims Snyder meddled).

I thought one of the positive things of Allen, was that he was described as a good buffer between Snyder and the team. Is that not true now?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104821]You should really take a look at that thread about Phillips interviewing.
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Maybe I just missed those idiots or maybe tuned them out. Didn't see any hate on Twitter, but maybe I tuned those fools out too.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104814]Redskins fan logic:

Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!!

Raheem Morris interview: F*CK NO!! His secondary sucked!!! He didn't develop anyone!!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!!

Joe Barry hire: WTF??!!! His defense in Detroit 8 years ago sucked!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!! Why are we the only team that hires people that are known to the team FO??!!! WE'RE DOOOOMMMEEEEDDDD!!![/quote]

lol ... true, true. Based on my 40+ years of fandom and my complete powerlessness to affect any change, I am reluctantly with the wait and see crowd at this point. My burgundy colored glasses, however, have become pretty faded over the last few years. Call me jaded, but the dysfunction and past mismanagement of this team has just beaten me down.

As in the past, I truly hope that assumptions of the apocalypse are sorely misplaced. Given the many red flags (BA Tampa connection, Barry's poor performance in Detroit - even if many years ago - and his lack of DC experience since, and the many experienced DC's with solid resumes available), however, it is hard for me to be excited about the hire. It seems to me that, when I have hoped folks were wrong to assume the worst, the prophetic vision of the Cassandras was recognized only after things had gone to hell.

At this point in my fandom, why should I expect folks are wrong to assume the worst this time from this team with this hire? Anyone? ... Anyone?

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Why don't people give Barry a chance instead of panicking? Belicheck and many others bombed on the first gig as coach or coordinator.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104824]Maybe I just missed those idiots or maybe tuned them out. Didn't see any hate on Twitter, but maybe I tuned those fools out too.[/quote]

Some people said that Phillips would have been the "good ol' boy" hire (which the whole concept is ridiculous) and that he wasn't a tough DC.

Everything that I'm reading about Barry in San Diego (where he's been for the past three/four years) looks good. I'm willing to give him a chance.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104821]So we should focus on what coaches did 8 years ago and not what they've done recently? Okay.[/quote]

You're right! I mean, just because he had a great interview and worked in Tampa with BA many years ago, the Skins wouldn't hire a journeyman assistant coach who was an abysmal failure in his one attempt at leading a defense without some consistent stellar work in recent years on his resume to counterbalance it. Let's look at Barry's resume as a DC at the pro level in the last five years and compare it some of the other candidates who were mentioned ...

Damn, I can't seem to find it. I know it's around here somewhere. ... Are you hiding it from us Ruhskins? You clever boy!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1104826]Why don't people give Barry a chance instead of panicking? Belicheck and many others bombed on the first gig as coach or coordinator.[/quote]

Not panicking -- just not particularly optimistic. As always, I will hope that the naysayers are once again wrong.

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This wasn't the best hire but I'm willing to see what happens. Maraneli sure coached up the Dallas defense this year. He was the head coach that year Detroit went 0-16. Did that mean he can't coach. Nope. I'm more concerned about getting better players. It doesn't matter who's coaching, we need better talent. I think the next question is are we going back to the 4-3?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104828]You're right! I mean, just because he had a great interview and worked in Tampa with BA many years ago, the Skins wouldn't hire a journeyman assistant coach who was an abysmal failure in his one attempt at leading a defense without some consistent stellar work in recent years on his resume to counterbalance it. Let's look at Barry's resume as a DC at the pro level in the last five years and compare it some of the other candidates who were mentioned ...

Damn, I can't seem to find it. I know it's around here somewhere. ... Are you hiding it from us Ruhskins? You clever boy![/quote]

I'm hiding it, and you're not getting it. LOL.

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Hmmm... I think I'm ok with this choice.
I think this guy can start a whole new deal here in Washington.
Other than the Lions thing he has a resume that should have given him a lot of experience and outlook.
I'll certainly take this over Haslett.

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There is nothing confirming this on ESPN or other major networks. Might not be the case.

As for dry snitching, a good way to catch an informant is to put information out you know to be false to a specific person and see where it goes.....

Not saying management is that smart, would be nice though. I fully expect Barry is correct.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000458722/article/redskins-to-tap-joe-barry-as-defensive-coordinator]Redskins to tap Joe Barry as defensive coordinator - NFL.com[/url]

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John Keim ‏@john_keim

A note on Barry's Lions tenure (more later, if/when)... of 11 starters on '08 squad, 7 were out of the NFL w/in 2 years, 4 after '08 season

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1104792]Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN 8m8 minutes ago

Not sure why Barry is automatically an Allen hire. Worked with Gruden for many years in TB, perhaps left a good impression?[/QUOTE]


Could come recommended from Jon.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1104841][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000458722/article/redskins-to-tap-joe-barry-as-defensive-coordinator]Redskins to tap Joe Barry as defensive coordinator - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Sooo...of the interviewed candidates:

Wade Phillips
Ed Donatell
Ken Norton Jr
Raheem Morris
Joe Barry

others available: Dick LeBeau, were interested in Fangio, Schwartz was available

They chose Joe Barry? Hey, who knows Berry might be great the second time around as DC but is he more qualified then the other available candidates?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1104843]John Keim ‏@john_keim

A note on Barry's Lions tenure (more later, if/when)... of 11 starters on '08 squad, 7 were out of the NFL w/in 2 years, 4 after '08 season[/quote]

I wanted Haslett gone, but that was the situation here also.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104814]Redskins fan logic:

Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!!

Raheem Morris interview: F*CK NO!! His secondary sucked!!! He didn't develop anyone!!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!!

Joe Barry hire: WTF??!!! His defense in Detroit 8 years ago sucked!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!! Why are we the only team that hires people that are known to the team FO??!!! WE'RE DOOOOMMMEEEEDDDD!!![/quote]

Skins fans be like...

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[quote=30gut;1104846]Sooo...of the interviewed candidates:

Wade Phillips
Ed Donatell
Ken Norton Jr
Raheem Morris
Joe Barry

others available: Dick LeBeau, were interested in Fangio, Schwartz was available

[B]They chose Joe Barry? Hey, who knows Berry might be great the second time around as DC but is he more qualified then the other available candidates?[/B][/quote]

We don't care about how people have performed of late. We care about who was in Tampa with Bruce previously.

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Kevin Sheehan retweeted
Austin ‏@harleysr 55m55 minutes ago
funny stuff! RT @mjsmcd @kevins980 @algaldi @czabe hi I'm your new dc coach barry

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LOL.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/14/thoughts-on-a-potential-joe-barry-hire-by-the-redskins/]Thoughts on a potential Joe Barry hire by the Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]

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So is Barry for sure? I was really hoping for Phillips.

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Rob Carlin ‏@RobCarlinCSN 4h4 hours ago
Source close to #Redskins decision making says could be other possibilities that haven't been interviewed yet.. Why rush? #RedskinsTalk

I could be completely wrong, but I have a feeling that the Redskins are awaiting the whole Fangio situation to play out in SF. I believe he is free to resign if he's passed over for the HC position (or something like that).

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1104855]So is Barry for sure? I was really hoping for Phillips.[/QUOTE]


Nothing official

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[quote=Mattyk;1104857]Nothing official[/quote]

Great. There are a lot of great choices available. Barry and Morris are probably my two least favorite.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104853]Kevin Sheehan retweeted
Austin ‏@harleysr 55m55 minutes ago
funny stuff! RT @mjsmcd @kevins980 @algaldi @czabe hi I'm your new dc coach barry

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Uw2PrIIAAYWCv.jpg[/IMG]

LOL.[/quote]

Just as I suspected!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104814]Redskins fan logic:

Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!!

Raheem Morris interview: F*CK NO!! His secondary sucked!!! He didn't develop anyone!!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!!

Joe Barry hire: WTF??!!! His defense in Detroit 8 years ago sucked!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!! Why are we the only team that hires people that are known to the team FO??!!! WE'RE DOOOOMMMEEEEDDDD!!![/quote]

Meanwhile, some of us are huge fans of Phillips because we love his resume, and don't want Barry or Morris(forgive me Skinzman :D) because their past defenses have sucked.

Maybe Barry really did get the short end of the stick in Detroit. Who knows? But people gave Haslett his share of excuses too, and look how that turned out.

Anyway, I don't like the hire(if this is for real), but we needed a change from Haslett. Maybe this guy is the right one. I doubt it.