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[quote=Evilgrin;1110197]Gregory is gonna be a beast, if you can trade down and take him after 10 that would be a great value.[/quote]

Have you ever heard of Fred Davis and Tanard Jackson? The problem is that Gregory could turn out to be worthless to the Skins due to drug suspensions. There is no way I would take that risk in the first round.

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While it certainly raises red flags, the honesty Gregory answers the question is a relief. I think if im a team looking to draft him I looking to seperate how he is using...1)is he just a stoner in college (i could relate) who can stop 2) does he have a substance abuse issue or 3) (what I believe) he struggles with anxiety, so he medicates with herbals.

If it is 1 or 3, I dont have a problem with drafting him. And imo if it 3 it should be legal anyway, I mean thats the perfect reason.

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... There are corollaries to (1) -- (a) Is he a stoner who can't stop? (b) If you think he can stop, are you confident enough in your risk analysis to bet a substantial franchise asset on it? (c) Regardless of your confidence in your risk analysis, does your team have the flexibility absorb the lost/wasted asset if you are wrong?

I got no problem with the occasional college user. At the same time, and regardless of your stance on the issue, mary jane is still not allowed to play in most jurisdictions and, if the NFL catches you playing with her, you are on the fast track out of the playground.

With a top 5 pick, your options (1) & (3) represent big risks for a franchise. If you think he's "just a stoner who can stop," you better have some high confidence in that assessment. Similarly, if it's Seattle for example, they have some flexibility to blow a top 5 pick and not suffer a franchise set-back. We don't have that flexibility yet. We NEED production out of this pick - either in the form of a high-floor/high-ceiling player or quality value for a trade back.

He may end up being a beast. He may be a Trent Williams (remember his 4 game suspension?). On the other hand, he is by no means a sure thing - even without the failed test, and he may be the next Fred Davis.

Right now, unless we trade back, no way I take him at 5. Too much work to be done on this roster. There will be other chances to gamble in the future. Now is not the time. Build steady with high probability/low risk choices to build the foundation [I]then[/I] go out on a limb in hopes of catching lightning.

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No Fn way I take him at 5
Thankyou counselor......

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[quote=Chico23231;1110206]While it certainly raises red flags, the honesty Gregory answers the question is a relief. I think if im a team looking to draft him I looking to seperate how he is using...1)is he just a stoner in college (i could relate) who can stop 2) does he have a substance abuse issue or 3) (what I believe) he struggles with anxiety, so he medicates with herbals.

If it is 1 or 3, I dont have a problem with drafting him. And imo if it 3 it should be legal anyway, I mean thats the perfect reason.[/quote]

Why would believe it's 3? And if it's 1, why can't he stop long enough to not test positive for perhaps the most important months of his life?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1110210]Why would believe it's 3? And if it's 1, why can't he stop long enough to not test positive for perhaps the most important months of his life?[/quote]

3,Because he said in the past he had problems with anxiety and that is reason why he smoked ..."Gregory said he first smoked marijuana after graduating from Hamilton Southeastern High School in Fishers, Ind., and before enrolling at Arizona Western Community College in 2011. He had failed to qualify academically at Purdue, which represented a considerable disappointment to him, and Gregory said he turned to marijuana to cope with the anxiety. "

If 1, immaturity, but that's the concern everytime a draft pick does flunk with that positive test. Its a red flag for sure.

Is he a Randy Moss or Justin Blackmon...thats why McC get paid the big bucks.

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Well surely under the circumstances he is "disabled" in some way. Can we not have him classified as disabled? Then perhaps on the bright side the NFLPA can sue the NFL for denying some.....sot ........of....rights if they suspend him?
[B]Note:[/B] He could get a Kick Ass parking spot right next to the building if he got that blue handicapped sticker!

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If we want an edge rusher we don't need to draft Gregory to get a good one, so why would we draft the one who flunked his Combine drug test? Answer: We wouldn't.

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[quote=Hog1;1110212]Well surely under the circumstances he is "disabled" in some way. Can we not have him classified as disabled? Then perhaps on the bright side the NFLPA can sue the NFL for denying some.....sot ........of....rights if they suspend him?
[B]Note:[/B] He could get a Kick Ass parking spot right next to the building if he got that blue handicapped sticker![/quote]

:laughing-

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When you have options at 5 overall, I have no idea why you'd look past this. Fowler or Beasley will be there, not sure why you'd take Gregory over them, given this news.

My own personal biases? I hate marijuana, I've never touched it, I think it's gross and unseemly. It completely turns me off from someone when I hear they use it.

That of course turns me off from a lot of people. No surprise because I'm the asshole in this place right? I'm the asshole? Yeah well I would never eat here anyway.

You don't have the option to take only players who have never tried marijuana, too many have. But at 5 we at least have the option to stay away from this guy no questions asked. There are other fish in the sea if we're looking for a pass rusher.

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Smoking weed doesn't bother me, but testing positive right before the draft is just inexcusable. Gotta be smarter than that. He says he last smoked in December? Pure bullshit.

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[quote=Mattyk;1110220]Smoking weed doesn't bother me, but testing positive right before the draft is just inexcusable. Gotta be smarter than that. He says he last smoked in December? Pure bullshit.[/quote]

Nailed it.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/03/26/a-closer-look-at-nfl-draft-prospect-randy-gregory/?postshare=3081427394407697]A closer look at NFL draft prospect Randy Gregory - The Washington Post[/url]

[quote]
The top 10 seems out of the question for Gregory now. The question now becomes how far he falls. Kansas City Chiefs pass rusher Justin Houston failed a drug test at the combine and fell to the third round in 2011 (He led the NFL with 22 sacks in 2014). However, Detroit Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson tested positive for marijuana at the combine and still went second overall in 2007.[/quote]

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[quote=Evilgrin;1110197]Gregory is gonna be a beast, if you can trade down and take him after 10 that would be a great value.[/quote]

Agree, if we can trade back and get him late first.

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There is NOOOOOO way they can and will take Gregory at 5. i dont care tha he smokes weed as half the league does. but the fact that he couldnt/didnt stop months before the combine speaks volumes. ..he is stupid! A good friend of mine who played in the league for 10 years smoked weed on a regular. He said the league tells the players and teams well in advance when they are going to drug test you. so anyone with half a brain just stops smoking a few months beforehand then go back to smoking the day after the test. He said the only time they truly do "randoms" are when you are repeat offender.other than that they can smoke pretty much 9 months out of the year.

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FOWLER will be the pick at #5 unless they trade back.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1110211] ... Is he a Randy Moss or Justin Blackmon...thats why McC get paid the big bucks.[/QUOTE]

I would rather risk that he becomes someone else's Randy Moss than risk him becoming our Justin Blackmon.


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[quote=Chico23231;1110193]Has anyone heard of private workouts, visits to the park, etc. of any of the draft picks?[/quote]

Maybe everybody else already knows about [URL="http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam"]this[/URL], but I just discovered it... a list of interviews, private workouts, etc. for each team, last updated today. Normally not a big fan of Walter, but everybody has their uses I guess. :D

Those listed under Washington:

Jamon Brown, OT, Louisville (EW)
Justin Coleman, CB, Tennessee (EW)
Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland (COM)
Derrick Lott, DT, Chattanooga (EW)
Bobby McCain, CB, Memphis (EW)
Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT, Southern Mississippi (PRO)
Damian Parms, SS, Florida Atlantic (EW)
Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (COM)
Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue (EW)
Jake Ryan, OLB/ILB, Michigan (EW)
Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa (COM)
AJ Tarpley, ILB, Stanford (PRO)
Jordan Taylor, WR, Rice (EW)
Darren Waller, WR, Georgia Tech (EW)
Zach Zenner, FB/RB, South Dakota State (EW)

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Yeah but those aren't the private workouts and park visits. I'm not sure anyone knows those yet

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You were right, but I went and looked again and apparently he just updated the Redskins' list. :joecool:

Jamon Brown, OT, Louisville (EW)
Justin Coleman, CB, Tennessee (EW)
Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland (COM)
Derrick Lott, DT, Chattanooga (EW)
[B]Joey Mbu, DT, Houston (WOR)[/B]
Bobby McCain, CB, Memphis (EW)
Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT, Southern Mississippi (PRO)
Damian Parms, SS, Florida Atlantic (EW)
Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (COM)
Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue (EW)
Jake Ryan, OLB/ILB, Michigan (EW)
Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa (COM)
AJ Tarpley, ILB, Stanford (PRO)
Jordan Taylor, WR, Rice (EW)
Darren Waller, WR, Georgia Tech (EW)
Zach Zenner, FB/RB, South Dakota State (EW)

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Hmm. I'd heard about the Texans, but not the Redskins working him out

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[quote=SmootSmack;1110235]Yeah but those aren't the private workouts and park visits. I'm not sure anyone knows those yet[/quote]

That's what I was thinking looking at the list. Haven't these usually started by now?

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Damnit Chico, your signature is too long. Lol

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did anyone else buy the nolan nawrocki [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Draft-2014-Preview-Nolan-Nawrocki/dp/1629370231"]draft guide[/ame] last year?

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Well I guess we won't be taking Gregory.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1110258]Damnit Chico, your signature is too long. Lol[/quote]

well you know what they say...

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If Leonard Williams, Dante Fowler, or Vic Beasley are available at # 5 I want one of them. If not, I'd like to trade down, pick up an extra pick, and draft one of the tackles that have mid-late 1st round grades.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1110203]Have you ever heard of Fred Davis and Tanard Jackson? The problem is that Gregory could turn out to be worthless to the Skins due to drug suspensions. There is no way I would take that risk in the first round.[/quote]

Have you ever heard of Warren Sapp? He failed his drug test coming out of college.

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As a Redskins fan I would not take Gregory at #5 even if he didn't fail the drug test. I would rather take Shane Ray who has speed and a high motor off the edge or Dante Fowler. I'm not to sure on Vic Beasley because he did well at the combine he moved up in the draft. The combine is nice to watch but watching film is what I would base my decision on who we draft. The film don't lye. I would not pick Gregory in the 1st rd.

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[quote=skins89moss;1110268]Have you ever heard of Warren Sapp? He failed his drug test coming out of college.[/quote]

Gregory ain't no Warren Sapp. I would have taken Sapp in the first round of the draft even though he tested positive. That's because of his extraordinary talent, of course. He was worth the risk then and he went on to prove it.

In the case of Gregory, why take the risk on him in the first round when there are other edge rushers who might be just as good or even better than he is? If the Skins want to take Gregory in a lower round, I'm OK with that.

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[quote=skins89moss;1110277]As a Redskins fan I would not take Gregory at #5 even if he didn't fail the drug test. I would rather take Shane Ray who has speed and a high motor off the edge or Dante Fowler.[B] I'm not to sure on Vic Beasley because he did well at the combine he moved up in the draft.[/B] The combine is nice to watch but watching film is what I would base my decision on who we draft. The film don't lye. I would not pick Gregory in the 1st rd.[/quote]

Maybe in the media's eyes. He probably moved very little on most teams' boards, if at all. Same with Gregory. The media and draftniks are just playing catch up.

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Yeah I think the concerns about Gregory are enough to drop him off the board for the #5 pick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1110251]That's what I was thinking looking at the list. Haven't these usually started by now?[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000481995/article/jets-buccaneers-chargers-redskins-to-work-out-mariota?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Jets, Buccaneers, Chargers, Redskins to work out Mariota - NFL.com[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/16327/three-thoughts-on-redskins-hosting-marcus-mariota?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed]Three thoughts on Washington Redskins hosting Marcus Mariota - ESPN[/url]

Really good stuff by keim. I didn't know there was a visit limit either, 30.

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Here's what I'm going to find interesting about Gregory, and others in his spot. Our GM is on his third chance to show he can overcome substance abuse demons. So will he extend that same benefit to potential draft picks? Would it be unfair/hypocritical if he didn't?

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LOL...unfair/hypocritical?
Who cares....gimme a guy that can help take us to the playoffs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1110302]Here's what I'm going to find interesting about Gregory, and others in his spot. Our GM is on his third chance to show he can overcome substance abuse demons. So will he extend that same benefit to potential draft picks? Would it be unfair/hypocritical if he didn't?[/quote]
I'm sure some teams regarded SM as....not first round type GM risk?
Perhaps we should regard Gregory the same...

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Let me first say that i am a Gregory fan on the field. but im not buying his story about his use of the weed tho. Knowing that the combin3 was coming up and he was going to be tested makes me believe it was more than a recreational use or to treat anxiety. not that i think it will really affect his play on th field much....but he is NO use to us if he is constantly getting suspended for getting high. and for that reason alone i dont see how SM can afford to take that risk with this player...on THIS team. We need so many pieces and a player who is going to come in, start and be there for us. So in that regard its not being hypocritical at all on SM's part...just smart buisness. Take Fowler or Beasly and be done with it if we cant trade back.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1110302]Here's what I'm going to find interesting about Gregory, and others in his spot. Our GM is on his third chance to show he can overcome substance abuse demons. So will he extend that same benefit to potential draft picks? Would it be unfair/hypocritical if he didn't?[/quote]

Interesting question. If McC hold substance abuse against others, he's a hypocrite, living on a form of mercy that he won't extend to others. But if McC doesn't hold substance abuse against others, he runs the risk of drafting stupidly.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1110302]Here's what I'm going to find interesting about Gregory, and others in his spot. Our GM is on his third chance to show he can overcome substance abuse demons. So will he extend that same benefit to potential draft picks? Would it be unfair/hypocritical if he didn't?[/quote]

I don't think it would be wise for him to take a gamble at the top of the draft, do you?

In the later rounds fine, that's when you can roll the dice a bit.

In the end he's got to make the best possible decision for the team, all personal issues aside.