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Brandon Browner may hit the market. If so, I would expect some real interest from Scot McC.

[url=http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2015/03/source_patriots_have_allowed_brandon_browner_to_explore_value]Source: Patriots have allowed Brandon Browner to explore value around NFL | The Blitz | with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald[/url]

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Revis Island for sale.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/48418/Source--Patriots-decline-Revis---20M-option/Default.aspx]Source: Patriots decline Revis' $20M option[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108670]I agree on Parnell and I was not advocating signing BB for the money he wants. In fact, I think we shouldn't. We need someone at RT and he is the best option out there, but he is also an expensive option who likely retards the development of Moses. I was simply responding to this:



GBay would love to retain Bulaga, just not at LT money and more than they pay their current pro-bowl guard. Also, GBay is hopeful that their recently-drafted-in-the-3rd-round back-up tackle (who was developing while BB was playing) can step into Bulaga's place without too much of a drop-off in the O-line's effectiveness. Throw in BB's injury history and GBay is content to let him walk.

At 7M/year or more, I suggest we follow their lead.[/quote]

If we were to sign a proven 25 year old tackle, who gives a damn about the development of Moses? Not me because I don't think he's any good.

How much younger than Bulaga is Moses anyway - two or three years, at most? So that's a non-factor. Also, we don't even know if Moses can come back from his Lisfranc injury and he wasn't exactly a ballerina before he hurt his foot.

OK, I like Bulaga a lot and I'd like to see the Skins try to fix the OL sooner rather than later. On the other hand, you don't want to pay the price for him and you're willing to wait on draftees to develop (if they develop). Bottom line: we're not going to agree about the way the Skins should fix the RT problem.

Fortunately for you, it's very doubtful that Scot M. will be shopping on Rodeo Drive during Free Agency so I almost certainly won't get what I want.

Hopefully, the Skins will find some way to upgrade RT and G this off-season because I think the lack of good pass protection is hurting the confidence, and therefore the development, of our young QBs.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

Just to be clear, you would sign Baluga for 8-9M/year even though his current team wouldn't match $7M/yr?

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108678]If we were to sign a proven 25 year old tackle, who gives a damn about the development of Moses? Not me because I don't think he's any good.

How much younger than Bulaga is Moses anyway - two or three years, at most? So that's a non-factor. Also, we don't even know if Moses can come back from his Lisfranc injury and he wasn't exactly a ballerina before he hurt his foot.

OK, I like Bulaga a lot and I'd like to see the Skins try to fix the OL sooner rather than later. On the other hand, you don't want to pay the price for him and you're willing to wait on draftees to develop (if they develop). Bottom line: we're not going to agree about the way the Skins should fix the RT problem.

Fortunately for you, it's very doubtful that Scot M. will be shopping on Rodeo Drive during Free Agency so I almost certainly won't get what I want.

Hopefully, the Skins will find some way to upgrade RT and G this off-season because I think the lack of good pass protection is hurting the confidence, and therefore the development, of our young QBs.[/quote]

I think signing a player like Bulaga, even if it costs a little bit makes sense for this team. We're not going to have a QB in the next two seasons that can overcome a below average/mediocre/inexperienced line. So the team should build a line that can help the QB position. Bulaga is not old, he's only 25, it's not like you're overpaying for a guy in his 30s.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108676]Brandon Browner may hit the market. If so, I would expect some real interest from Scot McC.

[URL="http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2015/03/source_patriots_have_allowed_brandon_browner_to_explore_value"]Source: Patriots have allowed Brandon Browner to explore value around NFL | The Blitz | with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald[/URL][/quote]

I'd be shocked if SM signed Browner.

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I would be ok with Bulaga at 9. One, I think RT has been atrocious for EVER, and ought to be addressed effectively. Two, it gives us stability and leverage with TW. I like TW, but he's still one strike from a year suspension, and he hit a wall with his health. Having a guy like Bulaga covers you on both fronts. Maybe it forces the hand to pay more to TW, but just as likely it keeps you from being forced to tag him.

Now let's talk Revis Island. :)

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Mike Iupati wouldn't be a good signing. Ill put a skins diehard wager on it. hes an elite RUN BLOCKER... hes not versatile. we need a hybrid but im looking more for just a smart player who excels in the pass blocking side.

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1108676]Brandon Browner may hit the market. If so, I would expect some real interest from Scot McC.

[url=http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2015/03/source_patriots_have_allowed_brandon_browner_to_explore_value]Source: Patriots have allowed Brandon Browner to explore value around NFL | The Blitz | with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald[/url][/quote]

yes!
please god.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1108683]I would be ok with Bulaga at 9. One, I think RT has been atrocious for EVER, and ought to be addressed effectively. Two, it gives us stability and leverage with TW. I like TW, but he's still one strike from a year suspension, and he hit a wall with his health. Having a guy like Bulaga covers you on both fronts. Maybe it forces the hand to pay more to TW, but just as likely it keeps you from being forced to tag him.

[B]Now let's talk Revis Island.[/B] :)[/quote]


Rolando McClain also!!!!!!! lol

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108680]Just to be clear, you would sign Baluga for 8-9M/year even though his current team wouldn't match $7M/yr?[/quote]

Short answer: Yes.

Now, what does what the Packers are willing to pay for him have to do with what some other team is willing to pay? They apparently have a another plan for RT. Good for them.

Please don't tell me that they are best able to judge his worth. First of all, they are a small market team not noted for spending. Secondly, for some reason they just re-signed a slot receiver for $10MM per season so I guess that about takes care of FA for them.

Again, I would do it but Scot most likely won't.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108680]Just to be clear, you would sign Baluga for 8-9M/year even though his current team wouldn't match $7M/yr?[/quote]

Fuck no I wouldn't. Dude is always hurt. Missed 7 games in 2012. Missed all of 2013, and missed a game in 2015. We've already been down this road with Jamaal Brown. You'd think Skins fans would learn a lesson.

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I swear some of you probably miss Vinny.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1108692]Fuck no I wouldn't. Dude is always hurt. Missed 7 games in 2012. Missed all of 2013, and missed a game in 2015. We've already been down this road with Jamaal Brown. You'd think Skins fans would learn a lesson.[/quote]

Well Jamal Brown was a trade. We lost draft picks out of that deal. Wouldn't be the case with Bulaga.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108680]Just to be clear, you would sign Baluga for 8-9M/year even though his current team wouldn't match $7M/yr?[/quote]

I say no. Bulaga is best in the run game and struggles more in pass pro. We already have tackles who fit that description.

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Jake Long released by the Rams.....

Re: Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1108698]Jake Long released by the Rams.....[/quote]

if he is healthy, and the price is right, sign Long for 3 years

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[quote=Lotus;1108696]I say no. Bulaga is best in the run game and struggles more in pass pro. We already have tackles who fit that description.[/quote]

Per Pro Football Focus:

"This past season was easily the most important for Bulaga’s career. Coming off of consecutive season-ending injuries, he needed to prove that he could stay on the field and perform up to his peak 2011 level. To tell the story of his season you need to break it into two halves. Over the first half Bulaga graded at -0.7 overall, but after the bye in Week 9 he found his groove and turned into the Pro Bowl level talent he was prior to his injuries.

From Weeks 10-17 his +12.6 grade ranked ninth out of all tackles and topped all right tackles. His 97.1 Pass Blocking Efficiency rating over that time ranked sixth overall. This second-half run was exactly the finish he needed to propel him towards free agency.

Bryan Bulaga struggled as a rookie and then turned into a Pro-Bowl level tackle in 2011. He then suffered two lost seasons via injury before finally hitting his groove again the second half of last season.

[B]If Bulaga can continue to stay healthy he has the ability to be a Top 10-15 tackle, and perhaps even more. He is also one of the few who plays well both in the run game and in pass protection.[/B]"

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Long is 30, has had two ACL tears, is being released one year into a four year contract, and has not played a full season since 2010.

Moving on.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108701]Per Pro Football Focus:

"This past season was easily the most important for Bulaga’s career. Coming off of consecutive season-ending injuries, he needed to prove that he could stay on the field and perform up to his peak 2011 level. To tell the story of his season you need to break it into two halves. Over the first half Bulaga graded at -0.7 overall, but after the bye in Week 9 he found his groove and turned into the Pro Bowl level talent he was prior to his injuries.

From Weeks 10-17 his +12.6 grade ranked ninth out of all tackles and topped all right tackles. His 97.1 Pass Blocking Efficiency rating over that time ranked sixth overall. This second-half run was exactly the finish he needed to propel him towards free agency.

Bryan Bulaga struggled as a rookie and then turned into a Pro-Bowl level tackle in 2011. He then suffered two lost seasons via injury before finally hitting his groove again the second half of last season.

[B]If Bulaga can continue to stay healthy he has the ability to be a Top 10-15 tackle, and perhaps even more. He is also one of the few who plays well both in the run game and in pass protection.[/B]"[/quote]

Good to know. I had read analysis and watched him play differently.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1108698]Jake Long released by the Rams.....[/quote]i haven't seen him play since like 2010, but if he is a shade of his former self... please join us

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108703]Long is 30, has had two ACL tears, is being released one year into a four year contract, and has not played a full season since 2010.

Moving on.

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote]^ nm

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108703]Long is 30, has had two ACL tears, is being released one year into a four year contract, and has not played a full season since 2010.

Moving on.

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote]

really ? not many OL play a "full season "- 15 games in 2013 is good enough

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/jakelong/278/profile]Jake Long, T for the St. Louis Rams at NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108680]Just to be clear, you would sign Baluga for 8-9M/year even though his current team wouldn't match $7M/yr?[/quote]

As much as I would love to solve the RT position, 8-9m for a RT would make him the highest paid true RT in the league if im not mistaken. If he can switch to LT and still perform at a high level, the security it would provide (plus TW is a FA in a year) might be worth it. But if he cant slide over to LT and play effectively, then no I wouldnt.

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The biggest problem is simple - it's hard to find GOOD tackles, left or right. I wanted Moses, and might have hope for him, but a Lis Franc, for a RT that depends on planting on his foot. Gonna be hard to get him going, and he didn't show a lot last year. So that means we need to get another guy. Maybe we get him in the second. I dunno, but what I think is true is that we need, without question, a starting RT, a starting Safety, and a starting NT, I think you hope to get 2 of the 3 in rounds 1 and 2, but you are not getting all 3 in the draft this year.

If we don't get BB I guess I am ok, but I think you need to bite the bullet on one of those positions, and pay the bucks for a "sure thing" (go ahead and kill me)

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I'm curious to see what we pay Paea.

Otherwise, so far we have stayed out of the early-process high-priced FA bidding, which is a good thing. The first FA wave often seems to bring the least value.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1108710]The biggest problem is simple - it's hard to find GOOD tackles, left or right. I wanted Moses, and might have hope for him, but a Lis Franc, for a RT that depends on planting on his foot. Gonna be hard to get him going, and he didn't show a lot last year. So that means we need to get another guy. Maybe we get him in the second. I dunno, but what I think is true is that we need, without question, a starting RT, a starting Safety, and a starting NT, I think you hope to get 2 of the 3 in rounds 1 and 2, but you are not getting all 3 in the draft this year.

If we don't get BB I guess I am ok, but I think you need to bite the bullet on one of those positions, and pay the bucks for a "sure thing" (go ahead and kill me)[/quote]

There seems to be a lot of tackles in this draft. Especially in rounds 2-4 that should be pretty good. The only question is if they can start immediately. Personally I think we will go pass rusher in round 1, so probably look for OL upgrades after that.

Also, if we are going to switch to 1 gap responsibility on defense, then getting a big hulking NT is less important. If we do switch to 1 gap, I think Paea and/or Baker can do pretty good at that. Thats less about attracting double teams and more about getting your gap filled and then pushing into the backfield to disrupt things.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1108710]The biggest problem is simple - it's hard to find GOOD tackles, left or right. I wanted Moses, and might have hope for him, but a Lis Franc, for a RT that depends on planting on his foot. Gonna be hard to get him going, and he didn't show a lot last year. So that means we need to get another guy. Maybe we get him in the second. I dunno, but what I think is true is that we need, without question, a starting RT, a starting Safety, and a starting NT, I think you hope to get 2 of the 3 in rounds 1 and 2, but you are not getting all 3 in the draft this year.

If we don't get BB I guess I am ok, but I think you need to bite the bullet on one of those positions, and pay the bucks for a "sure thing" (go ahead and kill me)[/quote]


Yes, Moses will perhaps only be ready by end of 2015 or early 2016. Problem with drafting another OT -- it gives up on Moses after one year, and then you have three OT for only two spots - seems wasteful. Really would be better to get a vet x 1-2 years, just too bad we missed on the legit veteran RTs so far. Compton is possible but will disappoint.

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[quote=ethat001;1108716]Yes, Moses will perhaps only be ready by end of 2015 or early 2016. Problem with drafting another OT -- it gives up on Moses after one year, and then you have three OT for only two spots - seems wasteful. Really would be better to get a vet x 1-2 years, just too bad we missed on the legit veteran RTs so far. Compton is possible but will disappoint.[/quote]

put Moses on IR, and see if he develops

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I'd rather have three who can play than just one. Draft a tackle of needed. Competition will only make Mosses better if he can be. Trading a tackle that has shown something that is easy.

We need depth as well. Trent hasn't been the healthiest and he could get a game breather if he needs one it would be nice to know he can.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/15810/washington-redskins-free-agent-updates-stephen-paea-on-the-way?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed]Washington Redskins free-agency updates: Stephen Paea on his way? - ESPN[/url]

Update from keim

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108708]really ? not many OL play a "full season "- 15 games in 2013 is good enough[/quote]


9 games in 2012
0 games in 2013


is NOT enough. You don't spend 8mil/yr on a guy that oft injured. When good teams pass up on their own players, it should tell you something. Follow their lead.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1108724]9 games in 2012
0 games in 2013


is NOT enough. You don't spend 8mil/yr on a guy that oft injured. When good teams pass up on their own players, it should tell you something. Follow their lead.[/quote]

this link refutes those claims

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/jakelong/278/profile]Jake Long, T for the St. Louis Rams at NFL.com[/url]

I would not pay Long $8 million, however [B]if he has played 12-14 games[/B] I would be interested, at the right price

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[quote=NC_Skins;1108724]9 games in 2012
0 games in 2013


is NOT enough. You don't spend 8mil/yr on a guy that oft injured. When good teams pass up on their own players, it should tell you something. Follow their lead.[/quote]

So you didnt want DeSean Jackson then?

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here is a name at right tackle that might not have to big of a price tag and is pretty good and talented, barksdale the RT from the rams any idea on him ?

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FA Signing Day is finally here. I'm wondering if the Redskins will surprise us today by signing someone we haven't even discussed here. Or, will it take more time for our FA plan to develop? We're about to find out.

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[quote=bigant;1108745]here is a name at right tackle that might not have to big of a price tag and is pretty good and talented, barksdale the RT from the rams any idea on him ?[/quote]

All I know about him is that he is said to be a good run blocker but he gave up seven sacks last season. He's young enough at 27.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108743]this link refutes those claims

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/jakelong/278/profile]Jake Long, T for the St. Louis Rams at NFL.com[/url]

I would not pay Long $8 million, however [B]if he has played 12-14 games[/B] I would be interested, at the right price[/quote]

I'm talking about Bulaga, not Long. I wouldn't pay Long but vet min with incentives.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1108744]So you didnt want DeSean Jackson then?[/quote]

A comparison:

D.JAX
2010 PHI 14
2011 PHI 15
2012 PHI 11
2013 PHI 16
2014 WSH 15
71/80 = 89%

BULAGA
2010 GB 16
2011 GB 12
2012 GB 9
2013 GB 0
2014 GB 15
52/80 = 65%


J.LONG
2010 MIA 16
2011 MIA 14
2012 MIA 12
2013 STL 15
2014 STL 7
64/80 = 80%

To the folks who want to spend $8-9M on Bulaga, I get it. RT is a position of need on which we have skimped in the past. [I]If[/I] BB can stay injury free, having him as a bookend to and backstop for TW would be worth some good coin.

My biggest concern is his injury history. Two years ago, the Rams paid big bucks to a former 27 year old first round pick with an injury history. Yesterday, with the guy rehabbing an ACL, and the Rams facing a big cap hit and they cut him. Their replacement, the second pick of last year's draft.

If they sign Bulaga, so be it. I think they should give Moses the chance to develop. With McCourty off the table at safety (the position where I [I]would[/I] be willing to overspend), I am not adamantly opposed to paying BB. I just would not be thrilled either.

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Apparently, J. Long is contemplating retirement.