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grudens already hinted that dhall is back and DG might not be. how strong those statements are depends on interpretation. seemed like unless DG lowers his cap number quite a bit, they're not going out of their way to keep him.

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[quote=That Guy;1138729]grudens already hinted that dhall is back and DG might not be.[/quote]What did Jay say?
I think DHall can give similar and eventually better production at S then Dash, especially given the cost difference.

I'm curious what Jay said.

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[quote=30gut;1138742]What did Jay say?
I think DHall can give similar and eventually better production at S then Dash, especially given the cost difference.

I'm curious what Jay said.[/quote]

I've heard Jay is a real big dhall fan, considers him a strong team leader. Heard that from Tarik al bashir on sports radio. I believe he also said Jay wants him back to at least to compete for a spot on the team.

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It's boring not being the NFC East dumpster fire.

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[quote=30gut;1138742]What did Jay say?
I think DHall can give similar and eventually better production at S then Dash, especially given the cost difference.

I'm curious what Jay said.[/quote]

it was on csn after the last game, someone asked jay (this was a hallway interview, not at the podium) about the value of goldson's leadership etc and how much is that worth, and jay gave him a look that was straight up "what the f are you talking about" and basically said no, it wasn't that important and the media overstates its value. then he went on about how great d hall was.

again, it's pretty open to interpretation, but what i got out of it was i don't think DG is very important to jay at all. i don't know scot's view on him, which is obviously a big factor on whether he stays on the roster and at what price.

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we still have Bruce Allen, and why he talks about personnel stuff, I don't know.

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Gratsi fellas,

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/05/pro-offseason-to-do-list-for-the-washington-redskins/[/url]

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[quote=30gut;1138849][url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/05/pro-offseason-to-do-list-for-the-washington-redskins/[/url][/quote]

How much does a subscription to this Englishman's opinion cost?

[url]https://twitter.com/pff_john[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3moJvYz1mCs[/url]

Amerson's mom, who everyone knows is an analyst for PFF too, says D Line is the top priority.

EDIT: Anyone know if he is Labour or a Torie?

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[quote=Evilgrin;1138755]we still have Bruce Allen, and why he talks about personnel stuff, I don't know.[/quote]

Bruce Allen did very well when he was in charge of the draft.

ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1138853]Bruce Allen did very well when he was in charge of the draft.

ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas[/quote]

Trent Murphy was easily the worst pick of the group.

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How the heck does the Wash Post talk about the need for a big WR ? It is probably need # 15. It is time to build the defense. And when Jackson's and Garcon's contracts are up, get a great WR or two.

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isn't jordan reed our big WR?

i dunno, the offence looked fine to me. if we can get a running game, it'd be really dangerous.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1138853]Bruce Allen did very well when he was in charge of the draft.

ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas[/quote]

is this a troll?

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[quote=Evilgrin;1138960]is this a troll?[/quote]

You decide.

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we got good value from our 3rd and 4th round pick, everyone else's contribution was either at or below their slot.

having that kind of draft every year would be good if you were 4-12 and looking to go 8-8. which i guess we were, but you actually need to do quite a bit better than 2 new starters a year from the draft/udfas to get ahead.

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[quote=That Guy;1138991]we got good value from our 3rd and 4th round pick, everyone else's contribution was either at or below their slot.

having that kind of draft every year would be good if you were 4-12 and looking to go 8-8. which i guess we were, but you actually need to do quite a bit better than 2 new starters a year from the draft/udfas to get ahead.[/quote]

Do you mean in general or are you referencing a specific draft?

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1138994]Do you mean in general or are you referencing a specific draft?[/QUOTE]


Id imagine the one u posted. I agree. Moses n Breeland. Everyone else is meh or blah. I also agree a draft like that will get u nowhere fast. We need a much better one this year if we want to take the next step.

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per Rich Tandler minimal changes on defense [url=http://realredskins.com/2016/02/09/need-to-know-will-mccloughan-try-to-build-the-redskins-defense-through-free-agency/]Need to Know: Will McCloughan try to build the Redskins’ defense through free agency? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

If accurate, there will be minimal improvement on defense... there are to many holes to fill solely in the draft

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well, that's rich tandler's view, not scot's. scot said we wouldn't be big players last year and signed 5 starters. so i think he'll follow the value. the defense definitely needs some work though.

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I don't share Tandler's views on defensive needs at all. I don't know what Scot will do about the defense but I think he'll give it a lot of attention this off-season.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1138960]is this a troll?[/quote]

BS!! . . . was a hell of a lot better than Shanny or Cerato drafts . . . getting a stud CB, a starting C/G, and two long term backups is a pretty good draft, especially for not having a first round pick

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If all you see are the 2 starters, and miss the rest of the mistakes, then whatever.

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Pretty solid draft if you ask me. Am I missing something?

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[quote=That Guy;1138991]we got good value from our 3rd and 4th round pick, everyone else's contribution was either at or below their slot.

having that kind of draft every year would be good if you were 4-12 and looking to go 8-8. which i guess we were, but you actually need to do quite a bit better than 2 new starters a year from the draft/udfas to get ahead.[/quote]

solid draft

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1138853]Bruce Allen did very well when he was in charge of the draft.

ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas[/quote]

It didn't look too good last year but Breeland and Moses both emerged to salvage it. For not having a 1st rounder, we did pretty good here. Everyone should keep in mind the missing 1st rounder from this draft class that was traded for Griffin, remember that 1st rounders are your best shot at landing a starter.

So if you're grading on the execution of the picks that were available, it came out pretty solid.

I think time will show that McC got more out of last year's class than Allen got out of this one. But Moses and Breeland play important positions and are definitely + players for us.

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And remember, that was the year Allen was subscribing to McC's scouting service. He may have been the birdie whispering in his ear that Breeland and Moses were good targets.

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Jaime dukes just said "the panthers will have to deal with seattle, arz, dallas, gb"... and when asked about washington he laughed... ha yeah coming from a bum that never won anything

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[quote=Schneed10;1139067]And remember, that was the year Allen was subscribing to McC's scouting service. He may have been the birdie whispering in his ear that Breeland and Moses were good targets.[/quote]

it could be . . . though it was the only draft he ran . . . so not bad!!

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1139070]it could be . . . though it was the only draft he ran . . . so not bad!![/quote]

I agree. 3 starters, 1 backup o-lineman, and a backup wr/st player.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1139069]Jaime dukes just said "the panthers will have to deal with seattle, arz, dallas, gb"... and when asked about washington he laughed... ha yeah coming from a bum that never won anything[/quote]

I agree he is a bum, but I do not disagree with him. I don't think we are in the same class as Seattle or AZ. We are one more year away from being a legitimate challenger. I' sure we all agree Dallas is one injury away from being the NFC East dumpster fire.

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per John Keim the Redskins save $6+ million in cap space if Hatcher retires after June 1

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1139074]I agree he is a bum, but I do not disagree with him. I don't think we are in the same class as Seattle or AZ. We are one more year away from being a legitimate challenger. I' sure we all agree Dallas is one injury away from being the NFC East dumpster fire.[/quote]

Kind of lame he mentions Dallas in the same breath as Seattle or Arizona. I know they are the media sweethearts, and they'll be improved when Romo gets back, but they aren't anywhere close to being a Super Bowl contender.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1139073]I agree. 3 starters, 1 backup o-lineman, and a backup wr/st player.[/quote]

Well, two potential long term starters - Breeland & Moses.

One rotational starter, likely long term back-up - Murphy

One long term OL player with potential to be long time starter - Long

One spot player, ST body - Grant

Long may well end up starting at center next year. Grant, I think, will be gone. Liked him but not seeing any real development.

If we get 2/3 starters out of a draft and a fourth who is a solid, reliable, if unspectacular back up, with no first round pick, that's a good solid draft. All it lacks is an "impact" player. We simply do not have enough of those on the defensive side of the ball. If we find one or two of those in the next two or three drafts, we will need drafts like this to maintain.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1139085]Kind of lame he mentions Dallas in the same breath as Seattle or Arizona. I know they are the media sweethearts, and they'll be improved when Romo gets back, but they aren't anywhere close to being a Super Bowl contender.[/quote]

I don't know why I checked out Yahoo's utterly useless 2016 power rankings, but they had us ranked 18th and the Cowboys 10th. Ours said something like "2016 we will fall back down to earth with our first place schedule" and the Cowboys said "once Tony Romo is back this is basically the same team that was a title contender in 2014." I don't want to get my hopes up too much but I really hope McC kills it this offseason, I'm sick of all the hatters.

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[quote=mooby;1139094]I don't know why I checked out Yahoo's utterly useless 2016 power rankings, but they had us ranked 18th and the Cowboys 10th. Ours said something like "2016 we will fall back down to earth with our first place schedule" and the Cowboys said "once Tony Romo is back this is basically the same team that was a title contender in 2014." I don't want to get my hopes up too much but I really hope McC kills it this offseason, I'm sick of all the hatters.[/quote]

I agree that we'll likely fall back down a bit, maybe to the point of 7-9 even, but as long as we keep trending in the right direction AND adding talent, I'll feel good about our plan. It was obvious that Romo going down was a GIGANTIC hit, and they're obviously not 4-12 bad, but to call them a title contender is ridiculous. Would they have beaten Seattle, Arizona, hell, even GB? Probably not. Romo and Dez give them the opportunity to beat a lot of mediocre teams. But hey, isn't that exactly what WE finally did this year?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1139086]Well, two potential long term starters - Breeland & Moses.

One rotational starter, likely long term back-up - Murphy

One long term OL player with potential to be long time starter - Long

One spot player, ST body - Grant

Long may well end up starting at center next year. Grant, I think, will be gone. Liked him but not seeing any real development.

If we get 2/3 starters out of a draft and a fourth who is a solid, reliable, if unspectacular back up, with no first round pick, that's a good solid draft. All it lacks is an "impact" player. We simply do not have enough of those on the defensive side of the ball. If we find one or two of those in the next two or three drafts, we will need drafts like this to maintain.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said about that draft. Bruce Allen did a good job. I also think that draft would look even better if Long could transition to center next season.

Since I'm in an agreeable mood, I also agree with you on what we need on defense to improve significantly on that side of the ball. What we need now on defense is some [B]STARS[/B] ("impact" players).

I'm hoping we get a defensive star in this year's draft. The right FA's could help, as well. Perhaps we'll re-sign Junior Galette and he'll have recovered enough to be an impact player for us. If we sign Galette, I'd like to see what Preston Smith can do for us as an inside pass rusher. I can foresee Smith moving around and giving offenses lots of problems.

I'm trusting Scot M. to find us the players we need to get better on defense in 2016.

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Stupid article:

[url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/4-nfl-teams-that-wont-make-the-playoffs-again-next-season]4 NFL teams that won’t make the playoffs again next season | For The Win[/url]

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1139096]I agree that we'll likely fall back down a bit, maybe to the point of 7-9 even, but as long as we keep trending in the right direction AND adding talent, I'll feel good about our plan. It was obvious that Romo going down was a GIGANTIC hit, and they're obviously not 4-12 bad, but to call them a title contender is ridiculous. Would they have beaten Seattle, Arizona, hell, even GB? Probably not. Romo and Dez give them the opportunity to beat a lot of mediocre teams. But hey, isn't that exactly what WE finally did this year?[/quote]

Yeah I don't think they're 12-4 good, but they're not as bad as 4-12 with Romo. Hopefully their bounce back this year will be minimal at best.

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[quote=mooby;1139094]I don't know why I checked out Yahoo's utterly useless 2016 power rankings, but they had us ranked 18th and the Cowboys 10th. Ours said something like "2016 we will fall back down to earth with our first place schedule" and the Cowboys said "once Tony Romo is back this is basically the same team that was a title contender in 2014." I don't want to get my hopes up too much but I really hope McC kills it this offseason, I'm sick of all the hatters.[/quote]

cant expect much from yahoo sports, they are fairly hot garbage in terms of sports journalism.

I mean, anyone who watched the cowturds know they have major issues at every area on the field. WR, RB, QB, Secondary, Linebacker, Pass Rush, Coaching, etc.

Does that seem like a first place team?