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[quote=Giantone;1194400]trump makes this country and the office of the President look like shit,why shouldn't I be mad about that?[/quote]

Triggered

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I see so it's "coherent" becuase it agrees with your position and from a critic that never liked it in the first place(Israel based).You completely throw out that every single entity out there says that Iran was complying with all the stipulations ,all of them in the agrement.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1194411]I see so it's "coherent" becuase it agrees with your position and from a critic that never liked it in the first place(Israel based).You completely throw out that every single entity out there says that Iran was complying with all the stipulations ,all of them in the agrement.[/QUOTE]Its coherent because its a good question and answer session from an interviewer who does not agree with the interviewee's point of view and asks good questions, to which the responses are lucid and layout the opposite point view clearly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1194414]Its coherent because its a good question and answer session from an interviewer who does not agree with the interviewee's point of view and asks good questions, to which the responses are lucid and layout the opposite point view clearly.[/quote]

Pardon me if I don't accept your response as in the fact that you feel trump answers the same way.

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[quote=Giantone;1194420]Pardon me if I don't accept your response as in the fact that you feel trump answers the same way.[/quote]

No, I have never said Trump is a lucid and clear, in fact I have many posts saying just the opposite. I do agree with many if not most of his positions, but not in his delivery ever.

I wish he could articulate his position like a Ronald Reagan, or John Kennedy, but he can't.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194422]No, I have never said Trump is a lucid and clear, in fact I have many posts saying just the opposite. I do agree with many if not most of his positions, but not in his delivery ever.



I wish he could articulate his position like a Ronald Reagan, or John Kennedy, but he can't.[/QUOTE]



He cant because he is usually lying and always hiding something.


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[QUOTE=punch it in;1194423]He cant because he is usually lying and always hiding something.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro[/QUOTE]Every politician, including reagan and kennedy are/were lying and hiding things, remember iran contra or marilyn's affair, Trump just has a brash incohesive speech pattern added on top of it.

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[quote=punch it in;1194394]Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was. [emoji849]


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[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/politics/schumer-says-he-will-oppose-iran-nuclear-deal.html[/url]

"Chuck Schumer Opposes Iran Nuclear Deal, Shaking Democratic Firewall"

The deal Chuck Schumer and other ranking Dems opposed then, but now have flip flopped on?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194442][url]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/politics/schumer-says-he-will-oppose-iran-nuclear-deal.html[/url]



"Chuck Schumer Opposes Iran Nuclear Deal, Shaking Democratic Firewall"



The deal Chuck Schumer and other ranking Dems opposed then, but now have flip flopped on?[/QUOTE]



Oh man. Such a tit for tat with you folks. Lol. First of all who cares what Schumer thought about it 3 years ago? Because I dont like Trump I must like Schumer?
Second of all I bet I could dig up an article about some republican who flip flopped on it too just the other way.
Third of all - and most importantly NOBODY is saying they thought the deal is or was perfect. EVERYONE thinks the deal should be amended now. BUT now that it was in place you dont just have an Obama fueled temper tantrum and rip it up with NOTHING in place of it. Which is probably why Iran was shooting rockets this morning already. Bravo. Great job. [emoji849]


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194424]Every politician, including reagan and kennedy are/were lying and hiding things, remember iran contra or marilyn's affair, Trump just has a brash incohesive speech pattern added on top of it.[/QUOTE]



Well that and he basically campaigned on draining the swamp of such things. The man is the King of the swamp. Undisputed after barely two years. Quite an impressive POLITICIAN. Shocker. Dont tell all the Jim Bob Cooters who think the slimeball is just one of them. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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Congress - the Republican controlled congress - has had nearly 2 years notice that they needed to rework the deal. They didn't, cuz they are stupid.

The Democrats would never dare touch Obama's legacy by rescinding or implying in any way that he had pushed a bad treaty through.

Fact is if Obama had been less "I HAVE A PHONE AND A PEN" [B][U]and[/U][/B] the Replubican stooges more willing to find bipartisan answers then a lot of issues would not be issues. [LIST][*]A bipartisan TREATY could not be rescinded by a President[*]A bipartisan health care plane would not have divided the nation by class/race[*]A bipartisan budget 6 years ago could have (maybe) kept the debt from skyrocketing[/LIST].
But the 2 parties and their leadership have shown themselves to be utterly incapable of responsible governing, and thus we end up with candidates like Trump and Sanders who both are crazy and in their own ways will screw up the nation further.

As I said, I agree with most of Trump's agenda, certainly when compared with Sanders', BUT I would rather the governing parties find sane solutions to the problems that are real in our country and our world. Until then we will continue to get polarization, saturation and idiots in the white house.

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[quote=punch it in;1194444]... Which is probably why Iran was shooting rockets this morning already. ....[/quote]

Iran and Israel have been trading barbs and hostilities in their Syrian proxy war for years. I agree the timing of this launch was them throwing a tantrum, to use your phrase, but it underlines a part of why the deal was a bad deal. Iran is a bad actor in the region. They are doing what they can to hurt, attack and diminish US allies and power there.

You don't defeat dictators by coddling their desires. You beat them by stacking your strength against theirs and winning.

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[quote=punch it in;1194444]Oh man. Such a tit for tat with you folks. Lol. First of all who cares what Schumer thought about it 3 years ago? Because I dont like Trump I must like Schumer?
Second of all I bet I could dig up an article about some republican who flip flopped on it too just the other way.
Third of all - and most importantly NOBODY is saying they thought the deal is or was perfect. EVERYONE thinks the deal should be amended now. BUT now that it was in place you dont just have an Obama fueled temper tantrum and rip it up with NOTHING in place of it. Which is probably why Iran was shooting rockets this morning already. Bravo. Great job. [emoji849]


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You don't amend bad deals...bad deals shouldn't go through in the first place...its called poor leadership. Dems want do overs on a failed healthcare legislation and now a failed Iran deal. You do know Iran has violated the deal?

pathetic.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194458]You don't amend bad deals...bad deals shouldn't go through in the first place...its called poor leadership. Dems want do overs on a failed healthcare legislation and now a failed Iran deal. You do know Iran has violated the deal?



pathetic.[/QUOTE]



There you go again...dems this and trumptards that. Chico take a deep breath, and explain to me what is better about Trumps Iran deal, or his healthcare plan? (Hint : nothing because he doesn’t even have one). Ill wait....


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[quote=punch it in;1194462]There you go again...dems this and trumptards that. Chico take a deep breath, and explain to me what is better about Trumps Iran deal, or his healthcare plan? (Hint : nothing because he doesn’t even have one). Ill wait....


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I am - believe it or not - going to agree with you. He doesn't have an Iran Deal, or a Healthcare plan

ok, that was fun.

Of course the president is in the Executive branch, and even though Bush2 and Obama seemed to forget this ALOT, the Executive branch doesn't make laws (at least not under our Constitution).

We are in this mess because the Congress, Primarily Republicans for the last 6 years, and the Dems the years before, refuse to create bipartisan workable solutions that can solve the issues.

Let's not act like this was a petulant response. Trump told Congress when he first took office to rework and craft suitable healthcare plan and treaties that could be enacted properly. When they didn't, he followed through on what he had said was going to be the consequences. The shock and outrage is hilarious, because the underpinning of it is that the same people who would crucify him for breaking his long standing pledges, are the ones who act like it's a shock to see a politician actually hold firm to his pledges in the first place.

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youre blaming this mess on congress. when it fact our commander in chief doesnt understand exactly how this whole thing works. he needs to learn how to play well with others, in order to get anything done. this isnt reality TV, where he just gives out orders, and the sheep follow. congress has all of the power. until trump realizes that, this is what you will see the next 2 years

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194472]I am - believe it or not - going to agree with you. He doesn't have an Iran Deal, or a Healthcare plan



ok, that was fun.



Of course the president is in the Executive branch, and even though Bush2 and Obama seemed to forget this ALOT, the Executive branch doesn't make laws (at least not under our Constitution).



We are in this mess because the Congress, Primarily Republicans for the last 6 years, and the Dems the years before, refuse to create bipartisan workable solutions that can solve the issues.



Let's not act like this was a petulant response. Trump told Congress when he first took office to rework and craft suitable healthcare plan and treaties that could be enacted properly. When they didn't, he followed through on what he had said was going to be the consequences. The shock and outrage is hilarious, because the underpinning of it is that the same people who would crucify him for breaking his long standing pledges, are the ones who act like it's a shock to see a politician actually hold firm to his pledges in the first place.[/QUOTE]



So it is ok to rip healthcare from millions or give Iran freedom to launch at their leisure just to prove a point? Come on man. Maybe he should stop golfing, and tweeting and get to work with Congress instead of dividing them to the point of no return with his piehole man?


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[quote=punch it in;1194504]So it is ok to rip healthcare from millions or give Iran freedom to launch at their leisure just to prove a point? Come on man. Maybe he should stop golfing, and tweeting and get to work with Congress instead of dividing them to the point of no return with his piehole man?


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He worked with them in the sense that we had the first bipartisan budget after a whole hell of a long time.

Liberals, and those who hate Trump which includes guys like McCain and Corker etc, are as bad as the Republicans who so hated Obama that they obstructed him rather than work toward solutions.

So yes, I give Trump credit for using his bully pulpit to try and bully them into getting their house, and senate, in order. Iran was under sanctions before Obama's pledge, and they will be under sanctions again. They aren't going to war against Israel, and the other night's attack result reminded them of why not.

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As with all things trump he never looked at the big picture,I hope all of you enjoy the 20$ take home from your"tax relief" from trump becuase he just fucked you ten different ways.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/f22bc33d-95f2-339d-8b3c-6fc359df7245/donald-trump-withdrew-the.html[/url]

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Holy crap can Donald fuckin Trump just fire the bitch and apologize to the guy who didn’t fake bone spurs to avoid serving? Its not the c$nt that made a crass remark about McCain dying of brain cancer that is the issue it is the fact that we found out that is the problem. Unreal. If I found out my daughter called a kid the N word on the playground I promise you I would bring her to the kids door with a red behind and she would beg for his forgiveness. I would certainly not be concerned about which kid tattled on her. Fuck this disgusting administration.


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No,No trumps not dirty!!!!!!!;)


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-orders-help-chinese-phone-215814298.html[/url]


Trump Orders Help For Chinese Phone-Maker After China Approves Money For WASHINGTON – A mere 72 hours after the Chinese government agreed to put a half-billion dollars into an Indonesian project that will personally enrich Donald Trump, the president ordered a bailout for a Chinese-government-owned cellphone maker.

“President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast,” Trump announced on Twitter Sunday morning. “Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!”

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[quote=Giantone;1194560]No,No trumps not dirty!!!!!!!;)


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-orders-help-chinese-phone-215814298.html[/url]


Trump Orders Help For Chinese Phone-Maker After China Approves Money For WASHINGTON – A mere 72 hours after the Chinese government agreed to put a half-billion dollars into an Indonesian project that will personally enrich Donald Trump, the president ordered a bailout for a Chinese-government-owned cellphone maker.

“President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast,” Trump announced on Twitter Sunday morning. “Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!”[/quote]

Definitely no conflicts of interest there. Also funny how he's in a trade war with China right now that he started, yet he's concerned about lost Chinese jobs.

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[quote=mooby;1194836]Definitely no conflicts of interest there. Also funny how he's in a trade war with China right now that he started, yet he's concerned about lost Chinese jobs.[/quote]

Yet Harley Davidson is closing up factories and laying American workers off.

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[url]https://youtu.be/ls1YVhcLD2c[/url]
Funny how the orange dude had no problem with his bff for doing this. Racist bitches.


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[quote=punch it in;1194889][url]https://youtu.be/ls1YVhcLD2c[/url]
Funny how the orange dude had no problem with his bff for doing this. Racist bitches.


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Thank God she is gone but I honestly feel sorry for the others on the show.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1194912]Thank God she is gone but I honestly feel sorry for the others on the show.[/QUOTE]



Yup well that piece of shit should write them all checks. Lol. (Besides i dont think any of them will be starving anytime soon).


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[quote=punch it in;1194913]Yup well that piece of shit should write them all checks. Lol. (Besides i dont think any of them will be starving anytime soon).


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Some young actors and crew on that show that got screwed by her dumbass.

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[quote=Giantone;1194937]Some young actors and crew on that show that got screwed by her dumbass.[/quote]

The established actors will be alright, but I agree the crew got screwed by this. Sucks for them.

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I’ve always loved the show but Roseanne herself seems to have some issues, needless to say. Sucks, I was enjoying the reboot.

What confuses me is they’re also pulling all the old re-runs for now, yet the Cosby show is still on. Figure that one out.

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[quote=MTK;1194943]I’ve always loved the show but Roseanne herself seems to have some issues, needless to say. Sucks, I was enjoying the reboot.

What confuses me is they’re also pulling all the old re-runs for now, yet the Cosby show is still on. Figure that one out.[/quote]

likewise...what is really confusing was the media's take on the show. They hated simply bc Roseanne supported Trump but yet the show dealt with all the SJW issues from a realistic perspective which in spite of the means, the ends agreed with the left positions.

But Roseanne twitter statement was just terrible...hateful, personnel attack. Lack of character.

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I have never liked Roseanne and never watched her show (original or reboot). After her "anthem incident," I smugly crossed her off as a low class, unfunny, one-note comedian who added nothing to any conversation.

As others have said, it sucks for the crew. I hope they land on their feet.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1194937]Some young actors and crew on that show that got screwed by her dumbass.[/QUOTE]



Usually for a crew member to land a spot on a show like that you have to already have worked your way up through the ranks, as for the cast - it is at least a pretty good resume builder for the newbies - I never watched it so im not sure who they were. I think anyone involved with what turned out to be a huge hit “should” be ok. But yeah that bitch definitely screwed them all in the short term, and for some undoubtedly the biggest opportunity of their lives.


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[QUOTE=mooby;1194836]Definitely no conflicts of interest there. Also funny how he's in a trade war with China right now that he started, yet he's concerned about lost Chinese jobs.[/QUOTE]



America first right? Can you imagine if Obama had gone to bat for some Chinese company who supposedly was involved in spying on us? He was born in China! Trader!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194955]likewise...what is really confusing was the media's take on the show. They hated simply bc Roseanne supported Trump but yet the show dealt with all the SJW issues from a realistic perspective which in spite of the means, the ends agreed with the left positions.



But Roseanne twitter statement was just terrible...hateful, personnel attack. Lack of character.[/QUOTE]



Did the media hate the show or just her?

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[quote=punch it in;1194961]Did the media hate the show or just her?[/quote]

Well anyone who supports Trump is deemed an enemy by the state by the CNN, NYT, NBC and then all the fake news spots...huffington p., salon, etc.

So any association with Roseane is instantly hated...so the show naturally.

So yes and yes, hated both.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194964]Well anyone who supports Trump is deemed an enemy by the state by the CNN, NYT, NBC and then all the fake news spots...huffington p., salon, etc.



So any association with Roseane is instantly hated...so the show naturally.



So yes and yes, hated both.[/QUOTE]



And anyone who doesn’t support Trump is deemed a part of the deep state by Fox. Lol. There were many anti Trumpers that watched the show. Many many many. And the show actually played both sides. Her sister for example was a Trump hater. Again I never saw any of those networks hate on the show itself. They hated Roseanne because she has been spewing hate and conspiracy theories for years. But the show was thriving and not one of those networks ever said it was a bad show. Quite the opposite- alot of them actually watched it - and said as much.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194964]Well anyone who supports Trump is deemed an enemy by the state by the CNN, NYT, NBC and then all the fake news spots...huffington p., salon, etc.



So any association with Roseane is instantly hated...so the show naturally.



So yes and yes, hated both.[/QUOTE]


Not true at all, the show was usually praised for how it dealt with social issues.

[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/03/how-roseanne-handled-the-80s-culture-wars/556367/[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1194955]likewise...what is really confusing was the media's take on the show. They hated simply bc Roseanne supported Trump but yet the show dealt with all the SJW issues from a realistic perspective which in spite of the means, the ends agreed with the left positions.

But Roseanne twitter statement was just terrible...hateful, personnel attack. Lack of character.[/quote]

Yeah the show did a good job at showing just how trump is screwing over his own supporters that's what made the show funny..

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[quote=MTK;1194969]Not true at all, the show was usually praised for how it dealt with social issues.

[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/03/how-roseanne-handled-the-80s-culture-wars/556367/[/url][/quote]

Yeah I will admit the original show did a good job of that ,the new one to me anyway had to much politics.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194964]Well anyone who supports Trump is deemed an enemy by the state by the CNN, NYT, NBC and then all the fake news spots...huffington p., salon, etc. .[/quote]


They ya go chico with your..."alternative facts" again.:doh: