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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1192009]IF he is still there at 4, and IF they would take it, would you trade our first rounder this year and our first next year to the Brown's for the chance to get Barkley?

I realize there are so many reasons this will not happen, I am just curious what other people think they would do if it were a possibility.[/quote]I love Barkley. I think he's the best player in the draft. But for this team, i just don't see the value.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1191997]I do not think they can afford to draft both a CB and a NB, just one or the other.[/quote]Why? No Breeland. No Fuller. They were solid contributors to a good pass coverage unit. I think in order to maintain or improve in pass rush we can't rely on Scandrick, Moreau and Dunbar to be as good as the players we lost.

For me it makes sense that both CB and NB are targets along with the other positions. A NB is basically a starter in the modern NFL.

[quote=Irrefutable;1191997]I would like to see (not in this particular order) G,NT, RB, C, TE, CB, S, QB[/quote]That's a good list too. D

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1192009]IF he is still there at 4, and IF they would take it, would you trade our first rounder this year and our first next year to the Brown's for the chance to get Barkley?

I realize there are so many reasons this will not happen, I am just curious what other people think they would do if it were a possibility.[/QUOTE]No. 2 first round picks for a position with the shortest average career length in the league doesn't make sense to me.

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NFL comparison by Chris Trapasso of cbssports.com:

[I][U]D.J. Moore, Maryland[/U]

NFL comparison: [B]Pierre Garcon[/B]

Garcon has had one of the more underrated careers of any wide receiver over the past decade. He had an awesome combine back in 2008 and doesn't lack in any area. He'll occasionally hit a big play by utilizing his speed, is shifty on bubble screens and has done plenty of work as a consistent chain-mover. Moore's balance and running skills make him an ideal wideout for today's NFL. [/I]

This is such a good comparison. As I watched Moore's tape, Pierre Garcon memories kept popping into my head. He would be a perfect fit for us but, due to other needs, I doubt that we'll pick him. I think he'll be very successful in the NFL.

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21 year old
6' 8"
346 pounds
He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.12 seconds — which would have been the seventh best at that position at the NFL Combine — and ran a short shuttle time of 4.67 seconds — which would have put him in the top-10. He also knocked out 22 reps on the bench press.

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/sports/australian-rugby-player-jordan-mailata-picking-nfl-interest-visiting-five-teams-week-042643559.html"]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/australian-rugby-player-jordan-mailata-picking-nfl-interest-visiting-five-teams-week-042643559.html[/URL]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1192235]NFL comparison by Chris Trapasso of cbssports.com:

[I][U]D.J. Moore, Maryland[/U]

NFL comparison: [B]Pierre Garcon[/B]

Garcon has had one of the more underrated careers of any wide receiver over the past decade. He had an awesome combine back in 2008 and doesn't lack in any area. He'll occasionally hit a big play by utilizing his speed, is shifty on bubble screens and has done plenty of work as a consistent chain-mover. Moore's balance and running skills make him an ideal wideout for today's NFL. [/I]

This is such a good comparison. As I watched Moore's tape, Pierre Garcon memories kept popping into my head. He would be a perfect fit for us but, due to other needs, I doubt that we'll pick him. I think he'll be very successful in the NFL.[/quote]

What I was surprised with PG was his speed, he was much faster than people credited him for..

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Kiper's Two Round Projection for the Redskins:

Round 1 (13): Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
Round 2 (44): Sony Michel, RB, Georgia

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[quote=Ruhskins;1192363]Kiper's Two Round Projection for the Redskins:

Round 1 (13): Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
Round 2 (44): Sony Michel, RB, Georgia[/quote]

I wouldn't oppose those picks

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[quote=Ruhskins;1192363]Kiper's Two Round Projection for the Redskins:

Round 1 (13): Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
Round 2 (44): Sony Michel, RB, Georgia[/quote]

Too high for Payne, he's listed as the 3rd best DL in the draft

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1192365]Too high for Payne, he's listed as the 3rd best DL in the draft[/QUOTE]It doesn't really matter what so called NFL analysts think. If Redskins scouting dept rated Payne as one of best DL then they should go for it.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1192363]Kiper's Two Round Projection for the Redskins:



Round 1 (13): Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama

Round 2 (44): Sony Michel, RB, Georgia[/QUOTE]



He stole my picks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192365]Too high for Payne, he's listed as the 3rd best DL in the draft[/quote]

I take it you are saying he's 3rd behind Chubb and Vea. But Chubb is an edge rusher, so I wouldn't compare Payne to him, different positions IMO. And you could make an argument of Vea being over him, although Vea will be more of a NT/2 down d-lineman in the NFL.

I think this is where getting Hankins would be huge. I think an interior line of Payne, Hankins, and Allen would be sick.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192014]No. 2 first round picks for a position with the shortest average career length in the league doesn't make sense to me.

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It's a 4 year league. If you look at our roster in 4-5 years it will be mostly overhauled.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192369]It's a 4 year league. If you look at our roster in 4-5 years it will be mostly overhauled.[/quote]

Generally you are correct, but top 5 picks should be generational players. Would you be ok if we had taken Okung instead of Trent and were searching for a LT again?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1192368]I take it you are saying he's 3rd behind Chubb and Vea. But Chubb is an edge rusher, so I wouldn't compare Payne to him, different positions IMO. And you could make an argument of Vea being over him, although Vea will be more of a NT/2 down d-lineman in the NFL.

I think this is where getting Hankins would be huge. I think an interior line of Payne, Hankins, and Allen would be sick.[/quote]

I think if we get Hankins we are fine, remember matt ioannidis was pretty damn good too last yr at times.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192371]I think if we get Hankins we are fine, remember matt ioannidis was pretty damn good too last yr at times.[/quote]

Ioannidis is the reason I wouldn't mind the team taking Vea.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1192373]Ioannidis is the reason I wouldn't mind the team taking Vea.[/quote]

When Allen and Foster went down last yr, it killed us. We were pretty damn good along the front 7 until that happened. That's y I'm looking at value and adding picks, we drop back a few spots and draft Hurst or Payne at around 20 ish or later and pick up a 2nd.. That to me would be amazing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1192373]Ioannidis is the reason I wouldn't mind the team taking Vea.[/quote]

And Kendall Fuller is the reason I wouldn't mind the Skins taking Minkah if he falls. Orlando Scandrick my ass, you can never have too many corners.

But if we get Vea I think I'd be OK with that too.

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[quote=Schneed10;1192377]And Kendall Fuller is the reason I wouldn't mind the Skins taking Minkah if he falls. Orlando Scandrick my ass, you can never have too many corners.

But if we get Vea I think I'd be OK with that too.[/quote]

lol i agree scandrick is trash. i hop eby some miracle shit he proves to be serviceable at the very least.

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Scandrick was really good 2 years ago, this last season he was nicked up.

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I really think we are in a very good position in the draft either to catch a falling star like Allen last year, or trade down to the 18-22 spot and pick up an extra pick. There are several possibilities and combinations of picks any number of which can set us right.

With that in mind, this draft will mainly be bad IF they for some reason go with a WR in the first, trade all the way out of the first a la Vinnie, or take Hurst when Payne or Vea are available.

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Yep either way we are in a good spot. I don't see any chance we go WR in the 1st unless we trade down to like 27 or so

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192380]I really think we are in a very good position in the draft either to catch a falling star like Allen last year, or trade down to the 18-22 spot and pick up an extra pick. There are several possibilities and combinations of picks any number of which can set us right.

With that in mind, this draft will mainly be bad IF they for some reason go with a WR in the first, trade all the way out of the first a la Vinnie, or take Hurst when Payne or Vea are available.[/quote]

With the amount of expected QBs to go in round one, makes sense other folks will still try to trade up to grab them. Expect at least 5 to go ahead of us. This should easily drop quality talent.

Also, with the lack of Free agent talent at Tackle and WR I fully expect the top prospects at both those positions to get chosen ahead of us. That means more reaching and more talent falling.

With these 2 things working together...a Jonathan Allen type drop isn't out of the realm of logic at 13.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192370]Generally you are correct, but top 5 picks should be generational players. Would you be ok if we had taken Okung instead of Trent and were searching for a LT again?[/quote]

I would agree expect if you're talking about taking a back.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192400]I would agree expect if you're talking about taking a back.[/quote]

Yeah, I do agree. In fact I am rooting for NYG to take Barkley for several reasons:
1) miss the opportunity to get Eli's successor from top candidates
2) miss the opportunity to take a player who would be a DE stud for the next 10 years
3) should force the Skins FO to take a DT, which helps us both against Elliot and Barkley
4) keeps them from trading down and building their OL quicker.

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I don't want Giants to get Barkely or Chubb. My dream scenario is they take whatever QB turns out to be the worst out of the 1st rounders.

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Giants will take a QB or Chubb. I don't see them taking Barkley.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1192400]I would agree expect if you're talking about taking a back.[/QUOTE]I'm not against taking a back at 13 if he has a grade that warrants it.

I'm against trading up because of the huge cost of moving from 13 to the top few to snag Barkley.

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[quote=MTK;1192404]Giants will take a QB or Chubb. I don't see them taking Barkley.[/quote]

Eli is old, they have to take Rosen IMO

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1192409]Eli is old, they have to take Rosen IMO[/QUOTE]


Depends on what they think Eli has left, if the answer is 2-3 more years drafting a QB now may not be a priority

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[quote=MTK;1192410]Depends on what they think Eli has left, if the answer is 2-3 more years drafting a QB now may not be a priority[/quote]

True, at least we know he is a good dancer.

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/12/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-rumors-quarterback-mmqb?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social[/url]

This QB Draft class is fascinating to me! Can't wait for draft night.

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Everyone must be ready for draft. Comment frequency is plummeting.

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[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/14/redskins-huge-interest-lsu-derrius-guice/[/url]

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It seems like there might be a chance we draft Dline player in 3rd round (trade up?) or later instead of first 2 picks. According to John Keim, Redskins had workout with Tim Settle who is rated 3rd round player..

My guess is: first scenario will be either James or Fitzpatrick in 1st round and a RB in 2nd round, then trade up in 3rd round to draft Settle or similar rated Dline player. Or second scenario is draft Guice in 1st round, then maybe Dline player (Settle?) in 2nd round. Or we might just wait until later rounds to draft Dline player.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1192497][url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/14/redskins-huge-interest-lsu-derrius-guice/[/url][/quote]

I'd love to have him but not at 13, which I believe we can trade back around 20 ish and still have him there. He reminds me of CP a little, same kind of build and both pass block very good.

He's in DC today meeting with BA again.

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[I]I'm a big fan of Mike Mayock, so I'm posting his final Top 5 by Position for this draft. I made some comments in Italics.[/I]

Mike Mayock unveils the third and final of his position-by-position rankings for the 2018 NFL Draft.

Quarterback

1. Sam Darnold, USC
2. Josh Allen, Wyoming
3. Josh Rosen, UCLA
4. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
5. Lamar Jackson, Louisville

Fall: Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State (T-5)

[I]Nobody here really floats my boat. If anyone here can become a Super Star, it's Lamar Jackson.[/I]

Running back

1. Saquon Barkley, Penn State
2. Sony Michel, Georgia
3. Derrius Guice, LSU
4. Nick Chubb, Georgia
T-5. Ronald Jones II, USC
T-5. Rashaad Penny, San Diego State

Rise: Michel (3), Chubb (T-5)
Fall: Guice (2), Jones (4)

[I]Seems to be a good group. Michel at #2 surprises me.[/I]

Wide receiver

1. DJ Moore, Maryland
2. Calvin Ridley, Alabama
3. Courtland Sutton, SMU
4. Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
T-5. James Washington, Oklahoma State
T-5. Anthony Miller, Memphis

Rise: Moore (2), Sutton (4), Washington (NR)
Fall: Ridley (1), Kirk (3), Sutton (3), DJ Chark, LSU (T-5)

[I]DJ Moore over Ridley is legit, IMO. Moore has it all. Ridley is just a bit small. Very close on those two.[/I]

Tight end

1. Hayden Hurst, South Carolina
2. Mike Gesicki, Penn State
3. Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
4. Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
5. Chris Herndon, Miami

Rise: Gesicki (3), Herndon (NR)
Fall: Goedert (2), Will Dissly, Washington (5)

[I]Only Hurst is the complete package, IMO.[/I]

Tackle

1. Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
2. Kolton Miller, UCLA
3. Connor Williams, Texas
4. Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
T-5. Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
T-5. Geron Christian, Louisville

Rise: Miller (3), Christian (NR)
Fall: Williams (2), Martinas Rankin, Mississippi State (T-5)

[I]Good class at the top, IMO.[/I]

Interior OL

1. Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
2. James Daniels, Iowa
3. Billy Price, Ohio State
4. Will Hernandez, UTEP
T-5. Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
T-5. Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
T-5. Austin Corbett, Nevada

Rise: Daniels (3), Price (T-5), Corbett (NR)
Fall: Wynn (2)

[I]Very strong and deep class, IMO, and there are more good ones besides these guys.[/I]

Interior DL

1. Vita Vea, Washington
2. Da'Ron Payne, Alabama
3. Taven Bryan, Florida
4. Nathan Shepherd, Fort Hays State
T-5. Harrison Phillips, Stanford
T-5. Derrick Nnadi, Florida State

Rise: Shepherd (NR), Nnadi (NR)
Fall: Maurice Hurst, Michigan (4)

[I]Fall off after the Top 3. Sad to see Hurst out of the Top 5. I hope he's able to play in the NFL.[/I]


Edge rusher

1. Bradley Chubb, N.C. State
2. Marcus Davenport, UTSA
3. Harold Landry, Boston College
4. Lorenzo Carter, Georgia
5. Rasheem Green, USC

Rise: Green (NR)
Fall: Arden Key, LSU (T-5), Sam Hubbard, Ohio State (T-5)

[I]It's Chubb and then a bunch of "just guys".[/I]

Linebacker

1. Roquan Smith, Georgia
2. Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
3. Rashaan Evans, Alabama
4. Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State
5. Uchenna Nwosu, USC

Rise: Smith (2), Evans (4)
Fall: Edmunds (1), Vander Esch (3)

[I]Nice Group.[/I]


Cornerback

1. Denzel Ward, Ohio State
2. Jaire Alexander, Louisville
3. Mike Hughes, UCF
4. Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
T-5. Donte Jackson, LSU
T-5. Josh Jackson, Iowa

Rise: Hughes (4), Oliver (5), Donte Jackson (NR)
Fall: Josh Jackson (3)

[I]Another good group.[/I]

Safety

1. Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
2. Derwin James, Florida State
3. Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
4. Justin Reid, Stanford
5. Jessie Bates III, Wake Forest

Rise: Reid (5)
Fall: Bates (4)

[I]I like this group, too.[/I]

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1192809][I]I'm a big fan of Mike Mayock, so I'm posting his final Top 5 by Position for this draft. I made some comments in Italics.[/





Wide receiver

1. DJ Moore, Maryland
2. Calvin Ridley, Alabama
3. Courtland Sutton, SMU
4. Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
T-5. James Washington, Oklahoma State
T-5. Anthony Miller, Memphis




Rise: Moore (2), Sutton (4), Washington (NR)
Fall: Ridley (1), Kirk (3), Sutton (3), DJ Chark, LSU (T-5)

[I]DJ Moore over Ridley is legit, IMO. Moore has it all. Ridley is just a bit small. Very close play in the NFL.




I agree Moore is much better than Ridley. He has better size, strength, and quickness.

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On his GM Street podcast, The Ringer's Mike Lombardi suggested Georgia RB Sony Michel could slip in the draft for medical reasons.

"[B]There's a lot of teams telling me there's a medical concern here,[/B] so he could slip a little bit," said Lombardi, a longtime NFL executive who most recently worked for the Patriots. "His medical grade is a little iffy." [B][U]Lombardi admitted he doesn't know exactly what the medical issu[/U][/B]e is. On tape, Michel is arguably the second-best running back in this class behind only Saquon Barkley.


This to me screams someone really would like Sony Michel to fall safely into the second round to get chosen.

A medical issue, but hey I have no clue what it is...really?

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[quote=Chico23231;1192860]On his GM Street podcast, The Ringer's Mike Lombardi suggested Georgia RB Sony Michel could slip in the draft for medical reasons.

"[B]There's a lot of teams telling me there's a medical concern here,[/B] so he could slip a little bit," said Lombardi, a longtime NFL executive who most recently worked for the Patriots. "His medical grade is a little iffy." [B][U]Lombardi admitted he doesn't know exactly what the medical issu[/U][/B]e is. On tape, Michel is arguably the second-best running back in this class behind only Saquon Barkley.


This to me screams someone really would like Sony Michel to fall safely into the second round to get chosen.

A medical issue, but hey I have no clue what it is...really?[/quote]

No kidding. This is a team ploy that is broadcast by some gullible reporter about some player just before every draft. Could Lombardi's prior association with the NE Patriots have set him up to fall for this old trick?

It's not like I'm suggesting that any given team that sits at the end of the first round and needs a RB would do such a thing.