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[quote=Schneed10;1192642]Agree with the run defense piece. I'd happily take Vea at 13 but I'm not married to it.

But I'm not sure a good LG will solve the run game problem though. With Scherff and Trent on the line there has to be a way to run the ball better, even with Lauvao in the lineup. I can't reconcile in my mind why we're not already better on the ground.

I think it's a combination of:

- We don't play with a fullback, so tight ends need to block well, and Reed doesn't

- Kelley and Perine aren't a serious breakaway threat

- When DeSean Jackson left there was no threat whatsoever to keep the safeties from creeping forward. Richardson should help here.

- I think Jay's formations tend to broadcast whether we're running or passing. When we line up to throw, the tackles are quite often lined up a half step back from the center. When they line up on the ball with hand in the dirt, it's a run almost all the time. This is just my perception of it, I haven't chopped up tape and I haven't counted how often this is true. So there's my disclaimer. But I think there's some broadcasting of run vs pass.

- Little individual line issues. Trent and Scherff are big enough and athletic enough to run either zone (emphasizes mobility) or power (emphasizes brute force). But Spencer Long was a power guy and failed to reach on stretch zones. And Moses, as much as I love him, is more of a pass blocker than a run blocker, which makes matters real tough when he's got Reed lined up next to him. Lauvao was too inconsistent.

So there's a lot more at play here than drafting a LG will fix. You hope Roullier will be better than Long, I feel optimistic there. And I think Richardson reintroduces the speed aspect vs the safeties. And I think Alex Smith's athleticism and abilities with the RPO and read option will threaten defenses in different ways. But tight end is going to remain a problem, Moses needs to flat out improve as a run blocker, and we need a RB that scares defenses. There are a lot of reasons.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you said.
I'd say Vernon Davis could be a better blocker than Reed, but last year it often seemed he didn't even try...

Our lack of running game sure is the consequence of several things, but I'd still draft a G pretty high, I'd rather have a young promising guy than resign 30 years old disappointing Lauvao...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1192647]Agree with most of what you said.
I'd say Vernon Davis could be a better blocker than Reed, but last year it often seemed he didn't even try...

Our lack of running game sure is the consequence of several things, but I'd still draft a G pretty high, I'd rather have a young promising guy than resign 30 years old disappointing Lauvao...[/quote]

In a perfect world the best player available at our 2nd round spot will be a G/C like Price.

I do agree we have a need. And I'm OK with need being a tiebreaker when you're between two similarly rated players.

I just don't want a reach because of need. In my mind we have needs at LG, DL, RB, secondary, athletic LB, almost everywhere.

Not that you were espousing a reach. Like I said, hopefully BPA and needs align. Or maybe we're able to trade into positions such that the BPA and the needs do align - that'd be best of all worlds.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192639]This is my argument of why we need LG over DT, when Allen and Foster were playing we were better and we were surprised at way the Defense played early in the yr. We cant run the ball for shit[/quote]
edit I hate tables:
Rushing yards per game last year
1--- 64 || ||9--- 81
2--- 229 || ||10--- 156
3--- 116 || ||11--- 122
4--- 111 || ||12--- 56
5--- 94 || ||13--- 65
6--- 75 || ||14--- 31
7--- 49 || ||15--- 87
8--- 51 || ||16--- 61

Rushing yards allowed per game last year
1--- 58 || || 9--- 102
2--- 97 || ||10--- 160
3--- 32 || ||11--- 84
4--- 168 || ||12--- 182
5--- 85 || ||13--- 174
6--- 127 || ||14--- 141
7--- 169 || ||15--- 159
8--- 148 || ||16--- 260

Neither of those are something to write home about, but I think the defensive yards allowed are far more glaring with fewer injuries

8 of our games (50%) we had 80 yards or more rushing, by comparison we held the opponents under 80 yards just 2 times.

Add to that the fact that we aren't a heavy run oriented team to begin with. But lots of teams LOVE to run against us.

Look, you take the best player available in the draft, or trade down, but it's ludicrous to say LG is more important then a run stuffing NT.

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[quote=Schneed10;1192648]In a perfect world the best player available at our 2nd round spot will be a G/C like Price.

I do agree we have a need. And I'm OK with need being a tiebreaker when you're between two similarly rated players.

I just don't want a reach because of need. In my mind we have needs at LG, DL, RB, secondary, athletic LB, almost everywhere.

Not that you were espousing a reach. Like I said, hopefully BPA and needs align. [B]Or maybe we're able to trade into positions such that the BPA and the needs do align [/B]- that'd be best of all worlds.[/quote]

This is exactly what I'm wishing for.

Also, I do think the lack of vision of our RBs is a real factor. Chris Thompson didn't have success only outside the tackles, physically he can't carry the load, but he found good holes inside too.
I'm going through the All 22 tape of the niners game (to remind me of what our team looked like when healthy), and CT clearly saw things better than Perine.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192649]edit I hate tables:
Rushing yards per game last year
1 64 || ||9 81
2 229 || ||10 156
3 116 || ||11 122
4 111 || ||12 56
5 94 || ||13 65
6 75 || ||14 31
7 49 || ||15 87
8 51 || ||16 61

Rushing yards allowed per game last year
1 58 || || 9 102
2 97 || ||10 160
3 32 || ||11 84
4 168 || ||12 182
5 85 || ||13 174
6 127 || ||14 141
7 169 || ||15 159
8 148 || ||16 260

Neither of those are something to write home about, but I think the defensive yards allowed are far more glaring with fewer injuries

8 of our games (50%) we had 80 yards or more rushing, by comparison we held the opponents under 80 yards just 2 times.

Add to that the fact that we aren't a heavy run oriented team to begin with. But lots of teams LOVE to run against us.

Look, you take the best [B]player available in the draft[/B], or trade down, but it's ludicrous to say LG is more important then a run stuffing NT.[/quote]

No doubt and I'm not saying no to a DT but at 13? That is pretty high, he better be the next Suh or Donald. LG/DT however u spin it, those are our biggest needs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192651]No doubt and I'm not saying no to a DT but at 13? That is pretty high, he better be the next Suh or Donald. LG/DT however u spin it, those are our biggest needs[/quote]

Or the next Johnathan Allen?

WTF

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192651]No doubt and I'm not saying no to a DT but at 13? That is pretty high, he better be the next Suh or Donald. LG/DT however u spin it, those are our biggest needs[/quote]

I would say DT/RB/LG.

I also think all 3 can be addressed effectively in the draft. My main disagreement with some here is that FA was the way to address the line. I would rather take 2-3 lineman in the draft, + 1 or 2 undrafted guys, and see what shakes out, rather than look for other teams castaways in FA

(although I'm still open to a Hankins or CJ Anderson signing at the right price)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192653]I would say DT/RB/LG.

I also think all 3 can be addressed effectively in the draft. My main disagreement with some here is that FA was the way to address the line. I would rather take 2-3 lineman in the draft, + 1 or 2 undrafted guys, and see what shakes out, rather than look for other teams castaways in FA

(although I'm still open to a Hankins or CJ Anderson signing at the right price)[/quote]

I dont know of any lineman really available still? I haven't looked in a while. Yes draft we need to address all 3 for sure, and probably a CB at some point as well. Norman isn't young anymore and scandrick is a 1 year guy.

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#Redskins schedule not set yet, but here's who they'll be playing this year. (Sorry I am late on this).

Home:
Dallas, Philly, Giants, Carolina, Green Bay, Atlanta (believe this is home opener), Colts, Houston.

Away:
Dallas, Philly, Giants, Jags, Bucs, Arizona, Saints, Titans

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192655]#Redskins schedule not set yet, but here's who they'll be playing this year. (Sorry I am late on this).

Home:
Dallas, Philly, Giants, Carolina, Green Bay, Atlanta (believe this is home opener), Colts, Houston.

Away:
Dallas, Philly, Giants, Jags, Bucs, Arizona, Saints, Titans[/quote]

Sucks that we ended up paired against Green Bay from the North, but I'll take that we end up facing Arizona from the West. That's the only soft opponent from the West division. The 49ers should be a lot better, the Giants get that assignment.

Eagles get Minnesota and the Rams
Cowboys get Detroit and Seattle
Redskins get Green Bay and Arizona
Giants get Chicago and San Fran

The rest of course are all common opponents.

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top 10 guards from FA from Walter football
[url=http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018G.php]WalterFootball.com: 2018 NFL Free Agents - Guards[/url]
Norwell we weren't paying
Pugh again 45M, nope
Mewhart nope (injuries)
Sitton nope.

There are far more options, and less expensive, in the draft.

We weren't going to look at G in FA.

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[quote=Schneed10;1192656]Sucks that we ended up paired against Green Bay from the North, but I'll take that we end up facing Arizona from the West. That's the only soft opponent from the West division. The 49ers should be a lot better, the Giants get that assignment.

Eagles get Minnesota and the Rams
Cowboys get Detroit and Seattle
Redskins get Green Bay and Arizona
Giants get Chicago and San Fran

The rest of course are all common opponents.[/quote]

I think Detroit/Sea is the most favorable matchup pair, but I agree Arizona from the West is a good get.

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C'mon Bruce, if you're going to suck, at least be good at that! Only the 2nd worst. Always the bridesmaid.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927154/article/gm-power-rankings-howie-roseman-kevin-colbert-among-best]GM power rankings: Howie Roseman, Kevin Colbert among best - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1192659]C'mon Bruce, if you're going to suck, at least be good at that! Only the 2nd worst. Always the bridesmaid.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927154/article/gm-power-rankings-howie-roseman-kevin-colbert-among-best]GM power rankings: Howie Roseman, Kevin Colbert among best - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

What article doesn't knock the Skins, explain to me again how JJ is 12th?

There is nothing in that to give a shred of rational thought to why he ranks them. In fact in the one on Bruce he knocks him for maintaining a middle of the pack roster, well then I would think he's a middle of the pack GM. Which is where I would put him, certainly above JJ, not sure about Gettleman, seeing as how he was fired from his last job.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1192653]I would say DT/RB/LG.

I also think all 3 can be addressed effectively in the draft. My main disagreement with some here is that FA was the way to address the line. I would rather take 2-3 lineman in the draft, + 1 or 2 undrafted guys, and see what shakes out, rather than look for other teams castaways in FA

(although I'm still open to a Hankins or CJ Anderson signing at the right price)[/QUOTE]I would add fast twitch edge guy who scares tackles is another need.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192660]What article doesn't knock the Skins, explain to me again how JJ is 12th?

There is nothing in that to give a shred of rational thought to why he ranks them. In fact in the one on Bruce he knocks him for maintaining a middle of the pack roster, well then I would think he's a middle of the pack GM. Which is where I would put him, certainly above JJ, not sure about Gettleman, seeing as how he was fired from his last job.[/quote]

I'd put him last just for saying winning the off-season and being a general tool lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1192663]I'd put him last just for saying winning the off-season and being a general tool lol.[/quote]

Maybe he was downgraded for calling our former QB "Kurt" all the time.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/fan-gets-signed-dan-snyder-photo-in-response-to-plea-to-keep-kirk-cousins/]Fan gets signed Dan Snyder photo in response to plea to keep Kirk Cousins – ProFootballTalk[/url]

LOL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192694][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/fan-gets-signed-dan-snyder-photo-in-response-to-plea-to-keep-kirk-cousins/]Fan gets signed Dan Snyder photo in response to plea to keep Kirk Cousins – ProFootballTalk[/url]

LOL[/quote]

100% dead.

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Man, that's a lack of self-awareness and judgment that is truly hard to overstate.

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[quote=calia;1192702]Man, that's a lack of self-awareness and judgment that is truly hard to overstate.[/quote]

He just doesn't give a shit lol

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread
 

[quote=calia;1192702]Man, that's a lack of self-awareness and judgment that is truly hard to overstate.[/quote]

It's not like Snyder sent the picture. Some clerk in the PR section that checks letters read it, and turned around and sent a picture. It may be policy or just a dumb choice on the clerk's part, but there is 0 chance that Snyder even knew this happened until the newspaper report came out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1192704]It's not like Snyder sent the picture. Some clerk in the PR section that checks letters read it, and turned around and sent a picture. It may be policy or just a dumb choice on the clerk's part, but there is 0 chance that Snyder even knew this happened until the newspaper report came out.[/quote]

Fair point, and likely correct. But I would hope (yet not expect) that if Snyder learned of this, he might see to it that do something is done that is a bit better from a PR perspective. And whoever thought that it was a good response was dumber than dirt.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1192704]It's not like Snyder sent the picture. Some clerk in the PR section that checks letters read it, and turned around and sent a picture. It may be policy or just a dumb choice on the clerk's part, but there is 0 chance that Snyder even knew this happened until the newspaper report came out.[/QUOTE]


You don’t think Snyder is opening fan mail and sending signed pics of himself?? I could totally see him licking envelopes and stamps and hitting the post office on his way home [emoji38]

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[quote=MTK;1192709]You don’t think Snyder is opening fan mail and sending signed pics of himself?? I could totally see him licking envelopes and stamps and hitting the post office on his way home [emoji38][/quote]

dead.

Whats the story with this Paul Richardson police stop? - an alert just came across my phone from the yahoo sports app, didnt have time to click in but it said something about the police asked him if he was a drug dealer or in a gang... doesnt seem like he did anything wrong but that'd be the last thing we need.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1192910]dead.

Whats the story with this Paul Richardson police stop? - an alert just came across my phone from the yahoo sports app, didnt have time to click in but it said something about the police asked him if he was a drug dealer or in a gang... doesnt seem like he did anything wrong but that'd be the last thing we need.[/QUOTE]He didn't do anything wrong.

I think he got a traffic ticket out of the whole situation.


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192911]He didn't do anything wrong.

I think he got a traffic ticket out of the whole situation.


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Yeah, sounds like more trouble for the police officer than for PR

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/25/virginia-police-reviewing-traffic-stop-of-paul-richardson/]Virginia Police reviewing traffic stop of Paul Richardson – ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192911]He didn't do anything wrong.

I think he got a traffic ticket out of the whole situation.


Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/quote]

A bullshit traffic ticket to boot.

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If I'm looking at the NFCE right now without having my homer shades on, I see it as

1. PHI
2. WSH
3. DAL
4. NYG.


The eagles are champs and had a great O/S adding more talent to an already good roster.

We have loaded up on talent for AS, Burner at WR, All purpose RB , added OL help.
Addressed a huge need on the DL. Our only negative was losing Fuller.

Dallas has lost their top 2 targets from the last 5 years... I don't care who you are, that will hurt.. Dak isn't good enough yet to carry a REC corp.

The Giants added Barkley yes but Eli is still on the decline and they still have big ?'s on the OL. Plus the WR's not named Odell are all avg at best guys. Losing JPP will hurt too.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1192694][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/fan-gets-signed-dan-snyder-photo-in-response-to-plea-to-keep-kirk-cousins/]Fan gets signed Dan Snyder photo in response to plea to keep Kirk Cousins – ProFootballTalk[/url]

LOL[/quote]

Hey, so now I've got the signed picture hanging next to my signed picture of Vinny Cerrato! :httr:

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1193910]If I'm looking at the NFCE right now without having my homer shades on, I see it as

1. PHI
2. WSH
3. DAL
4. NYG.


The eagles are champs and had a great O/S adding more talent to an already good roster.

We have loaded up on talent for AS, Burner at WR, All purpose RB , added OL help.
Addressed a huge need on the DL. Our only negative was losing Fuller.

Dallas has lost their top 2 targets from the last 5 years... I don't care who you are, that will hurt.. Dak isn't good enough yet to carry a REC corp.

The Giants added Barkley yes but Eli is still on the decline and they still have big ?'s on the OL. Plus the WR's not named Odell are all avg at best guys. Losing JPP will hurt too.[/quote]
I doubt the Eagles repeat, but they are first and haven't hurt themselves enough this offseason to definitively lower them.

I think the Giants and Skins will fight for 2nd. I disagree about the Giants having big questions on their oline. Solder, Hernandez are huge upgrades, and having Barkley as a running threat should slow the pass rush.

I would be shocked if Dallas finishes above .500 as of now.

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[url=http://nfltraderumors.co/bruce-allen-interested-returning-raiders/]Bruce Allen Interested In Returning To Raiders? | NFLTradeRumors.co[/url]

I saw Florio say something about this possibility too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1193964][url=http://nfltraderumors.co/bruce-allen-interested-returning-raiders/]Bruce Allen Interested In Returning To Raiders? | NFLTradeRumors.co[/url]

I saw Florio say something about this possibility too.[/quote]

I will believe it when I see it. But, I won't be upset if this does happen.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1193964][url=http://nfltraderumors.co/bruce-allen-interested-returning-raiders/]Bruce Allen Interested In Returning To Raiders? | NFLTradeRumors.co[/url]

I saw Florio say something about this possibility too.[/quote]

Sounds like Allen wants a pay raise from Snyder.

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I'm a BA fan as far as player evaluations go, the other non sense like "Kurt" we could do without

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Mcclain released

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/4/30/17302710/redskins-release-dt-terrell-mcclain[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1193969]I'm a BA fan as far as player evaluations go, the other non sense like "Kurt" we could do without[/quote]

[B]2017[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 17 Jonathan Allen DE Alabama
2 49 Ryan Anderson LB Alabama
3 81 Fabian Moreau CB UCLA
4 114 Samaje Perine RB Oklahoma
4 123 Montae Nicholson SAF Michigan State
5 154 Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
6 209 Robert Davis WR Georgia State
6 199 Chase Roullier C Wyoming
7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons SAF Louisville
7 235 Joshua Holsey CB Auburn
2016 - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 [B]Josh Doctson[/B] WR Texas Christian
2 53 [COLOR="red"]Su'a Cravens[/COLOR] LB USC
3 84 [COLOR="red"]Kendall Fuller[/COLOR] CB Virginia Tech
5 152 [B]Matthew Ioannidis[/B] DT Temple
6 187 [COLOR="red"]Nate Sudfeld [/COLOR]QB Indiana
7 232 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
7 242 Keith Marshall RB Georgia

[B]2015[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 5 [B]Brandon Scherff[/B] T Iowa
2 38 [B]Preston Smith[/B] DE Mississippi State
3 95 Matt Jones RB Florida
4 105 [B]Jamison Crowder[/B] WR Duke
4 112 [B]Arie Kouandjio[/B] G Alabama
5 141 [B]Martrell Spaight[/B] LB Arkansas
6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SAF Virginia Tech
6 182 Tevin Mitchel CB Arkansas
6 187 Evan Spencer WR Ohio State
7 222 Austin Reiter C South Florida

[B]2014[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 47 [COLOR="Red"]Trent Murphy [/COLOR] DE Stanford
3 66 [B]Morgan Moses [/B]T Virginia
3 78 [COLOR="red"]Spencer Long[/COLOR] G Nebraska
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Bashaud Breeland[/COLOR] CB Clemson
5 142 [COLOR="red"]Ryan Grant[/COLOR] WR Tulane
6 186 Lache Seastrunk RB Baylor
7 217 Ted Bolser TE Indiana
7 228 Zach Hocker K Arkansas

[B]2013[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 51 David Amerson FS North Carolina State
3 85 [B]Jordan Reed[/B] TE Florida
4 119 Phillip Thomas SS Fresno State
5 154 [B]Chris Thompson[/B] RB Florida State
5 162 Brandon Jenkins LB Florida State
6 191 Bacarri Rambo SS Georgia
7 228 Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers

[B]2012[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 2 [COLOR="red"]Robert Griffin [/COLOR] QB Baylor
3 71 Josh Leribeus G Southern Methodist
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Kirk Cousins [/COLOR]QB Michigan State
4 119 [COLOR="red"]Keenan Robinson[/COLOR] LB Texas
5 141 Adam Gettis G Iowa
6 173 [COLOR="red"]Alfred Morris[/COLOR] RB Florida Atlantic
6 193 Tom Compton T South Dakota
7 213 Richard Crawford CB Southern Methodist
7 217 Jordan Bernstine CB Iowa

[B]2011[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 16 [B]Ryan Kerrigan[/B] LB Purdue
2 41 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson
3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 105 Roy Helu RB Nebraska
5 146 DeJon Gomes DB Nebraska
5 155 [COLOR="red"]Niles Paul [/COLOR] WR Nebraska
6 177 Evan Royster RB Penn State
6 178 [COLOR="red"]Aldrick Robinson[/COLOR] WR Southern Methodist
7 213 Brandyn Thompson DB Boise State
7 217 Maurice Hurt G Florida
7 224 Markus White LB Florida State
7 253 Chris Neild NT West Virginia

[B]2010[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 4 [B]Trent Williams [/B] T Oklahoma
4 103 [COLOR="red"]Perry Riley LB[/COLOR] LSU
6 174 Dennis Morris TE Louisiana Tech
7 219 [COLOR="red"]Terrence Austin[/COLOR] WR UCLA
7 229 Erik Cook C New Mexico
7 231 Selvish Capers T West Virginia

[B]2009[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 [COLOR="red"]Brian Orakpo [/COLOR] DE Texas
3 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
5 158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
6 186 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian
7 221 Eddie Williams FB Idaho
7 243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada-Reno


Speaking of Bruce Allen's talent evaluations, the guys in bold are the ones that are still with the team, either as starters or some backup role (and forgive me if I have missed a name or two.) The guys in red are the ones I know of still playing in the league and either starting for another team or have some amount of playing time. The rest are guys - I'm assuming are no longer in the league, or maybe a practice squad guy or whatever. I'm not counting last year's draft, because I think it's too soon to make a proper judgement on that draft.

Assuming it takes about three years to really judge if your draft was a winner or not, we're seeing that since Allen came to the team and up to 2014 - we've had about 5 players to stick. You could also include players that we have just let go in free agency of this offseason, such as Niles Paul, Kirk Cousins, Trent Murphy, and Breeshaud Breeland. We've had a couple 5th rounders to turn out pretty good, a few third rounders. For a few of those seasons, we didn't have a number one draft pick. Looks like Allen was good around the third round.

Overall, I'm not sure I would say I'm THAT big of a fan of his talent evaluations. He had heavy input from Mike Shanahan in a few of those drafts, and Scot McCloughan for a few of those drafts as well. Williams has had some input as well. Maybe I'm wrong not to give Allen as much credit as he deserves, but I don't see how he has been that great with talent evaluations.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1193970]Mcclain released

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/4/30/17302710/redskins-release-dt-terrell-mcclain[/url][/quote]


This is good news!
Glad they realized they made a mistake with this guy and dumped him sooner than later.

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[quote=metalskins;1193978][B]2017[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 17 Jonathan Allen DE Alabama
2 49 Ryan Anderson LB Alabama
3 81 Fabian Moreau CB UCLA
4 114 Samaje Perine RB Oklahoma
4 123 Montae Nicholson SAF Michigan State
5 154 Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
6 209 Robert Davis WR Georgia State
6 199 Chase Roullier C Wyoming
7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons SAF Louisville
7 235 Joshua Holsey CB Auburn
2016 - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 [B]Josh Doctson[/B] WR Texas Christian
2 53 [COLOR="red"]Su'a Cravens[/COLOR] LB USC
3 84 [COLOR="red"]Kendall Fuller[/COLOR] CB Virginia Tech
5 152 [B]Matthew Ioannidis[/B] DT Temple
6 187 [COLOR="red"]Nate Sudfeld [/COLOR]QB Indiana
7 232 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
7 242 Keith Marshall RB Georgia

[B]2015[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 5 [B]Brandon Scherff[/B] T Iowa
2 38 [B]Preston Smith[/B] DE Mississippi State
3 95 Matt Jones RB Florida
4 105 [B]Jamison Crowder[/B] WR Duke
4 112 [B]Arie Kouandjio[/B] G Alabama
5 141 [B]Martrell Spaight[/B] LB Arkansas
6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SAF Virginia Tech
6 182 Tevin Mitchel CB Arkansas
6 187 Evan Spencer WR Ohio State
7 222 Austin Reiter C South Florida

[B]2014[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 47 [COLOR="Red"]Trent Murphy [/COLOR] DE Stanford
3 66 [B]Morgan Moses [/B]T Virginia
3 78 [COLOR="red"]Spencer Long[/COLOR] G Nebraska
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Bashaud Breeland[/COLOR] CB Clemson
5 142 [COLOR="red"]Ryan Grant[/COLOR] WR Tulane
6 186 Lache Seastrunk RB Baylor
7 217 Ted Bolser TE Indiana
7 228 Zach Hocker K Arkansas

[B]2013[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 51 David Amerson FS North Carolina State
3 85 [B]Jordan Reed[/B] TE Florida
4 119 Phillip Thomas SS Fresno State
5 154 [B]Chris Thompson[/B] RB Florida State
5 162 Brandon Jenkins LB Florida State
6 191 Bacarri Rambo SS Georgia
7 228 Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers

[B]2012[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 2 [COLOR="red"]Robert Griffin [/COLOR] QB Baylor
3 71 Josh Leribeus G Southern Methodist
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Kirk Cousins [/COLOR]QB Michigan State
4 119 [COLOR="red"]Keenan Robinson[/COLOR] LB Texas
5 141 Adam Gettis G Iowa
6 173 [COLOR="red"]Alfred Morris[/COLOR] RB Florida Atlantic
6 193 Tom Compton T South Dakota
7 213 Richard Crawford CB Southern Methodist
7 217 Jordan Bernstine CB Iowa

[B]2011[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 16 [B]Ryan Kerrigan[/B] LB Purdue
2 41 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson
3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 105 Roy Helu RB Nebraska
5 146 DeJon Gomes DB Nebraska
5 155 [COLOR="red"]Niles Paul [/COLOR] WR Nebraska
6 177 Evan Royster RB Penn State
6 178 [COLOR="red"]Aldrick Robinson[/COLOR] WR Southern Methodist
7 213 Brandyn Thompson DB Boise State
7 217 Maurice Hurt G Florida
7 224 Markus White LB Florida State
7 253 Chris Neild NT West Virginia

[B]2010[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 4 [B]Trent Williams [/B] T Oklahoma
4 103 [COLOR="red"]Perry Riley LB[/COLOR] LSU
6 174 Dennis Morris TE Louisiana Tech
7 219 [COLOR="red"]Terrence Austin[/COLOR] WR UCLA
7 229 Erik Cook C New Mexico
7 231 Selvish Capers T West Virginia

[B]2009[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 [COLOR="red"]Brian Orakpo [/COLOR] DE Texas
3 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
5 158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
6 186 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian
7 221 Eddie Williams FB Idaho
7 243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada-Reno


Speaking of Bruce Allen's talent evaluations, the guys in bold are the ones that are still with the team, either as starters or some backup role (and forgive me if I have missed a name or two.) The guys in red are the ones I know of still playing in the league and either starting for another team or have some amount of playing time. The rest are guys - I'm assuming are no longer in the league, or maybe a practice squad guy or whatever. I'm not counting last year's draft, because I think it's too soon to make a proper judgement on that draft.

Assuming it takes about three years to really judge if your draft was a winner or not, we're seeing that since Allen came to the team and up to 2014 - we've had about 5 players to stick. You could also include players that we have just let go in free agency of this offseason, such as Niles Paul, Kirk Cousins, Trent Murphy, and Breeshaud Breeland. We've had a couple 5th rounders to turn out pretty good, a few third rounders. For a few of those seasons, we didn't have a number one draft pick. Looks like Allen was good around the third round.

Overall, I'm not sure I would say I'm THAT big of a fan of his talent evaluations. He had heavy input from Mike Shanahan in a few of those drafts, and Scot McCloughan for a few of those drafts as well. Williams has had some input as well. Maybe I'm wrong not to give Allen as much credit as he deserves, but I don't see how he has been that great with talent evaluations.[/quote]


Good write up man, I think its def a collective group effort.. Not all goes to BA but in general since he's been the GM our roster has had some very good draft picks and talent come here. Trent of course was the home run hit but KC wasn't far from a HR as well. If you look at this list, it shows a pretty consistent level of 1 and 2 round choices that have immediate impact. Payne and Guice should continue this trend.

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McClain just got cut?

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