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If the BPA that fills a need had a 2nd or 3rd grade then trade back

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[quote=Dan73;1191082]If the BPA that fills a need had a 2nd or 3rd grade then trade back

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What position group are we good on?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191083]What position group are we good on?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't draft another DE or OLB or even ILB high this year.

If the Skins decide not to go NT then trade back last first early 2nd and then go RB G CB if that is how they grade out.

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[quote=Dan73;1191084]I wouldn't draft another DE or OLB or even ILB high this year.

If the Skins decide not to go NT then trade back last first early 2nd and then go RB G CB if that is how they grade out.

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Our front 7 was gashed last year.

In fact, we were 29th in DVOA against the run: [url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef[/url]

There were only 3 teams worse than us.

We need top shelf talent at all positions in our front 7.

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[quote=Dan73;1191082]If the BPA that fills a need had a 2nd or 3rd grade then trade back

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As many holes as we have in our starting lineup, need and BPA will easily intersect at #13.
Plus throw in all of the QB desperate teams that WILL reach for a player that is not worthy. Plus we already have our QB.
The stars are aligning that at #13 there will be higher BPA value, not lower as you claim.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191085]Our front 7 was gashed last year.

In fact, we were 29th in DVOA against the run: [url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef[/url]

There were only 3 teams worse than us.

We need top shelf talent at all positions in our front 7.[/QUOTE]The Skins suffered after injuries before that D was coming on. A guy like Payne and the defense is almost elite.

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Hankins would be a great signing

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[quote=MTK;1191088]Hankins would be a great signing[/quote]

I try to stay level-headed in the off season and not get my hopes up but I'd reallllllllly like to see us nab Hankins.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1191080]Well Moreau hasn't really played yet, Norman and Swearinger were healthy for the majority of the season last year. I feel we will sign DRC, getting Allen and Ionnadis healthy will help the secondary as well.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.
Moreau was a rookie, can't expect him to show consistent starter play in his first season.
I like the fact that they have confidence in him. He's a 2 round pick.
I would have kept Breeland especially at 8M/y (and maybe his infection ends up making him sign here for a lot less), but Moreau was drafted to start.

Except a veteran on a cheap deal, I wouldn't sign any DBs. We have a strong group.

And a healthy DL, improved by either a signing or a pick, will help our D overall.

Any thoughts on a guard we could sign?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191090]

Any thoughts on a guard we could sign?

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Based on Redskins's activities; my best guess is they are monitoring Lauvao's situation, potential cuts by other teams and draft. I don't expect us to sign best available guard in free agency. In the end, I think they will resign Lauvao to 1-2 years contract and draft a guard (any round) to compete in training camp.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1191092]Based on Redskins's activities; my best guess is they are monitoring Lauvao's situation, potential cuts by other teams and draft. I don't expect us to sign best available guard in free agency. In the end, I think they will resign Lauvao to 1-2 years contract and draft a guard (any round) to compete in training camp.[/QUOTE]I like the idea of drafting a guard. I feel it's a position you can expect decent play from year one.

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[quote=WillH;1191076]Why aren't they kicking the tires on any of the safeties left out there? Reid (well maybe I know for him) & Boston seem like good options. Can neither play slot? Any talented depth would go a long way for this unit because it's an injury or two away from being a liability.

I'm curious to see how things play out with Sua. If he stayed where would he best fit? Is he too slow for slot? Does he replace ZB on passing downs? If he's committed he could definitely help this defense, but if somehow they get a 3rd for him that will definitely help. We may even be able to fill the home in the secondary.

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I agree with what others said about Nicholas he is the future although, he needs to stay healthy for full season. Also we have Fish Smithson, I think he can develop into dependable back-up. I won't be surprised if we will draft one player and/or sign undrafted free agents after the draft to compete.

Cravens - if we keep him, I'm certain he will make positive impact on defense every time we put him on the field. He is talented, simple as that.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191093]I like the idea of drafting a guard. I feel it's a position you can expect decent play from year one.

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Me too

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1191094]I agree with what others said about Nicholas he is the future although, he needs to stay healthy for full season. Also we have Fish Smithson, I think he can develop into dependable back-up. I won't be surprised if we will draft one player and/or sign undrafted free agents after the draft to compete.

Cravens - if we keep him, I'm certain he will make positive impact on defense every time we put him on the field. He is talented, simple as that.[/QUOTE]I'm not too worried about Nicholson's health, he just had a nasty concussion.
As of now, we have no element leading us to think this could be repeating.

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[quote=Dan73;1191087]The Skins suffered after injuries before that D was coming on. A guy like Payne and the defense is almost elite.

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Didn't you just make the best argument that the depth on the d line isn't good enough, making it a need?

You know we have two edge guys under contract right now?

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If there is a game changing player at any position available at 13, I think you take him regardless of position.

If not, BPA weighted for need, but we have needs at every position.

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Don’t forget about Phil Taylor


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1191100]Don’t forget about Phil Taylor


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Not trying to be smart, but what should we remember about him?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191099]If there is a game changing player at any position available at 13, I think you take him regardless of position.

If not, BPA weighted for need, but we have needs at every position.[/QUOTE]

I disagree with your very last statement.
In the first round, I'd be mad if we drafted: a QB (obviously), an OL other than a guard, an ILB, and even a WR.

LG, DT and RB, in that order, are our most urgent needs.

I guess I'd be OK with an incredible all around run blocking and pass catching machine TE, but this is not what I'm hoping for.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1191099]If there is a game changing player at any position available at 13, I think you take him regardless of position.

If not, BPA weighted for need, but [B]we have needs at every position[/B].
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I don't agree with this statement at all. We have good starters and backups at QB, OT, and ILB. I think we'll be fine at CB and S as well.

Beyond that, we won't know the positions where we have the most pressing needs for the draft until after free agency. Just as Paul Richardson changed the outlook at WR, If we sign Hankins he will change the outlook for the DL.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191102]I disagree with your very last statement.
In the first round, I'd be mad if we drafted: a QB (obviously), an OL other than a guard, an ILB, and even a WR.

LG, DT and RB, in that order, are our most urgent needs.

I guess I'd be OK with an incredible all around run blocking and pass catching machine TE, but this is not what I'm hoping for.

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I agree we are strongest at QB and tackle but we are far from set at center. Chase was ok at center last year as a stop gap but was he good? Who is his back up? If there is a first round talent, BPA type player there at center or guard, I wouldn't mind the pick. I prefer DL but if the scouts say otherwise (character, work ethic, all the intangibles the ESPN draft guys don't account for) I'm fine with it.

Same goes for ILB.

Our ILBs at the end of the season were Spaight and Vigil. Many look at ILB as a rotational position, including our staff. I don't think we are set at that position group either.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191097]Didn't you just make the best argument that the depth on the d line isn't good enough, making it a need?

You know we have two edge guys under contract right now?[/QUOTE]You don't draft depth in the first round.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1191103]I don't agree with this statement at all. We have good starters and backups at QB, OT, and ILB. I think we'll be fine at CB and S as well.

Beyond that, we won't know the positions where we have the most pressing needs for the draft until after free agency. Just as Paul Richardson changed the outlook at WR, If we sign Hankins he will change the outlook for the DL.[/quote]

Who are our 3 CBs in nickle?

Who comes in when Montae gets hurt?

Foster is an average to below average NFL starter, he isn't special, his new contract reflects the reality. Brown is really good against the run, he is a liability in coverage. His contract reflects that he is above average, to good, not great.

You cool with Vigil and Spaight starting 3 or 4 games next year?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1191101]Not trying to be smart, but what should we remember about him?[/quote]

Phil Taylor was good when he was healthy, unfortunately, he did not stay healthy.... bring him to camp on a minimum contract, if he can pass a physical

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[quote=Dan73;1191105]You don't draft depth in the first round.

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You're thinking one dimensionally. A first round talent would start and one of the scrubs we started last year would back him up.

Our front seven sucked, 1st round talent in our front seven, NO MATTER WHERE, would make a huge difference.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191101]Not trying to be smart, but what should we remember about him?[/QUOTE]



I think the guy was ready to have a comeback year before getting injured. Hopefully he comes back healthy, hungry, and ready to prove to everyone he’s the pro bowler he should be. Has anyone heard anything on him? We could really use a healthy, hungry Taylor


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[quote=Irrefutable;1191107]Phil Taylor was good when he was healthy, unfortunately, he did not stay healthy.... bring him to camp on a minimum contract, if he can pass a physical[/quote]

I'm sure they will. What are the chances Phil Taylor is healthy this year, and is able to stay healthy? If he does, it would be the first time in his career.

I think Taylor is a pipe dream, if he does anything, he would be a value signing.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1191109]I think the guy was ready to have a comeback year before getting injured. Hopefully he comes back healthy, hungry, and ready to prove to everyone he’s the pro bowler he should be. Has anyone heard anything on him? We could really use a healthy, hungry Taylor


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There’s a recent article on him, but I can’t post links yet


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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191108]You're thinking one dimensionally. A first round talent would start and one of the scrubs we started last year would back him up.

Our front seven sucked, 1st round talent in our front seven, NO MATTER WHERE, would make a huge difference.[/QUOTE]Which scrub would sit Allen or Ionnidis?

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1191100]Don’t forget about Phil Taylor


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This thinking by the front office that he was the answer at NT was completely fraudulent and, once again , poor logic.


Get this guy in a skins uniform now Bruce:

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/975512042210844673[/url]

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191106]Who are our 3 CBs in nickle?

Who comes in when Montae gets hurt?

Foster is an average to below average NFL starter, he isn't special, his new contract reflects the reality. Brown is really good against the run, he is a liability in coverage. His contract reflects that he is above average, to good, not great.

You cool with Vigil and Spaight starting 3 or 4 games next year?[/QUOTE]Zach Brown and Foster were balling out last year when the DL was healthy !
And Zach Vigil played really well, what he did behind a depleted DL at the end of the season is underrated IMO.

Draft picks are always a toss up anyway, so I'd rather take the chance at a position we don't have a viable option than hoping to get an upgrade over what we have while leaving a gaping hole on our roster.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1191110]I'm sure they will. What are the chances Phil Taylor is healthy this year, and is able to stay healthy? If he does, it would be the first time in his career.

I think Taylor is a pipe dream, if he does anything, he would be a value signing.[/quote]

I second this. Been years since Phil Taylor has been an effective lineman, at some point you can't keep relying on him.

Every year we bitch about not having a stud DT, and every year we are left complaining. I like Ioannidis but he still has plenty of room for improvement, and if every SB winner of the last decade hasn't taught anyone anything, it's that having a thick d-line rotation is never a bad thing.

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Never Mind

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[quote=Dan73;1191112]Which scrub would sit Allen or Ionnidis?

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Jesus. This is getting stupid.

Our down lineman are Allen, Ionnidis, Hood, McClain, Mcghee, Lanier. Our edge guys are Kerrigan and Smith.

IF YOU DON'T THINK 1ST ROUND TALENT WOULD UPGRADE THAT GROUP, IDK WHAT TO TELL YA.

Just FYI, Dline edge and interior is a ROTATIONAL position.

The team that just won the super bowl realize this better than anyone.

And I would award play time based on merit, the most likely scenario being working the 1st round pick into the rotation slowly. Ionnidis was a different player without Allen next to him, so if anyone would be giving up snaps then probably Ionnidis.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1191116][B]SIAP[/B]

per Ian Rapoport the Skins have agreed to a 4 year $32 million dollar contract with Hankins[/quote]

He would be a definite upgrade to the unit. He is solid and that sounds like a good deal if he is as good as he was when he was playing for the Giants.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191114]Zach Brown and Foster were balling out last year when the DL was healthy !
And Zach Vigil played really well, what he did behind a depleted DL at the end of the season is underrated IMO.[/quote]

I get the logic but any position group can be depleted with injuries during any stretch of games.

So the long term strategy of picking the best player available is better than passing on superior talent to only fill a need. I realize need is a factor but passing on superior talent, more times than not doesn't pay off.

If the FO thought the next Luke Keuchly was available at 13, should be pass on him and pick a different position?

And no disrespect but Foster is just a guy, with a 2mil per year contract: [url]https://overthecap.com/position/inside-linebacker[/url]

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1191118]He would be a definite upgrade to the unit. He is solid and that sounds like a good deal if he is as good as he was when he was playing for the Giants.[/quote]

information is not confirmed and tweet was deleted

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1191118]He would be a definite upgrade to the unit. He is solid and that sounds like a good deal if he is as good as he was when he was playing for the Giants.[/quote]

Link? I don't see this anywhere. Would be great news if they sealed this deal, young DL with talent..

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[quote=Irrefutable;1191120]information is not confirmed and tweet was deleted[/quote]

Poop.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191117]Jesus. This is getting stupid.

Our down lineman are Allen, Ionnidis, Hood, McClain, Mcghee, Lanier. Our edge guys are Kerrigan and Smith.

IF YOU DON'T THINK 1ST ROUND TALENT WOULD UPGRADE THAT GROUP, IDK WHAT TO TELL YA.

Just FYI, Dline edge and interior is a ROTATIONAL position.

The team that just won the super bowl realize this better than anyone.

And I would award play time based on merit, the most likely scenario being working the 1st round pick into the rotation slowly. Ionnidis was a different player without Allen next to him, so if anyone would be giving up snaps then probably Ionnidis.[/QUOTE]I didn't say first round talent is not an upgrade. I said don't draft lower round talent in the first round out of need.

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