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The more I think about this, the more I'm like, "If it REALLY is about the medical staff, why are you punishing your teammates and coaches over it?" Like if arguably our most important player felt mistreated by the staff and went to ownership about it, wouldn't you think they would have cleaned f-ing house?

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I just have a question I want everyone to answer, because I too feel it is about the money. How many LTs in the NFL are definitely 100% no arguments better than Trent Williams right now?? I am curious on responses.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1225592]I just have a question I want everyone to answer, because I too feel it is about the money. [B]How many LTs in the NFL are definitely 100% no arguments better than Trent Williams right now??[/B] I am curious on responses.[/quote]

Nobody.

It may not be entirely about money, but money can always help smooth things over.

I think something will get done before week 1 and he'll be back.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1225592]I just have a question I want everyone to answer, because I too feel it is about the money. How many LTs in the NFL are definitely 100% no arguments better than Trent Williams right now?? I am curious on responses.[/quote]

I can't name anybody that's clearly, 'no arguments' better than Trent. David Bakhtiari is legit and deserves to be in the conversation, but it's a conversation.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1225592]I just have a question I want everyone to answer, because I too feel it is about the money. How many LTs in the NFL are definitely 100% no arguments better than Trent Williams right now?? I am curious on responses.[/quote]

I don't think you can def say anyone is better. I think Tyron Smith is an equal

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Santana Moss was on with Doc Walker yesterday and said he spoke with TW, TW is pissed about how the team handled his injuries and is considering legal action against the team.

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[quote=jamf;1225599]Santana Moss was on with Doc Walker yesterday and said he spoke with TW, TW is pissed about how the team handled his injuries and is considering legal action against the team.[/quote]

If this is accurate, it's hard to imagine him coming back. I hope it isn't accurate. I will say this, however -- if your ailment is not related to your performance on the team, why are you relying on team doctors? Turf toe? Sure. Torn quad? Yep. But possibly cancerous growth on your scalp? Not what they do. This really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Oh, and he is as good as if not better than any LT playing today. Period. And maybe ever. Which is going to make this sting. A lot.

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[quote=jamf;1225599]Santana Moss was on with Doc Walker yesterday and said he spoke with TW, TW is pissed about how the team handled his injuries and is considering legal action against the team.[/quote]

I asked this question in post #350 and was told it's about money.

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[quote=jamf;1225599]Santana Moss was on with Doc Walker yesterday and said he spoke with TW, TW is pissed about how the team handled his injuries and is considering legal action against the team.[/quote]

So he was so pissed off that he waited 4 months to say or do anything? If memory serves me right, this whole thing happened last year and his surgery was in February, correct?

That's my whole issue with this JUST being about the medical issue. If things were so bad, it would have been news 4 months ago. Not timing it like a contract hold out.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225602]So he was so pissed off that he waited 4 months to say or do anything? If memory serves me right, this whole thing happened last year and his surgery was in February, correct?

That's my whole issue with this JUST being about the medical issue. If things were so bad, it would have been news 4 months ago. Not timing it like a contract hold out.[/quote]

I mean, who am I to say but it's possible surgery like that to repair w.ever it exactly was could require a long waiting period to even check on how the healing has progressed etc etc... Who knows but the timing of course seems coincidental, can't argue that.

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As it turned out Trents health issue was not cancer (thankfully)! And it seems it’s behind him. He still seems upset with the way the team handled it.. my question is if the team told him it’s not serious and can wait..did that not turn out to be the case?okay so if the team told him it’s very serious and needs to be taken care of (why would he be upset with that).. if indeed he believes the team mishandled this how did they do that.. I would understand his claim IF he indeed had a serious issue that he was told it was not serious.. I understand the scare of thinking you might have cancer .. I just don’t understand what he thinks the team doctors did.. maybe there is a lot more to this than any of us know.. but I’m starting to believe it’s all about the money..

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It is strange how the majority here take the teams side on player vs. team issues. I get that we just want the team to win. So whatever it takes....right?
Players were demonized last season because they disagreed with the way our defensive coordinator ran the defense. Some grew so frustrated they spoke out publicly because nothing was done to improve this issue on the field. So all of the players that spoke out were cut Even though many of us agree our D coordinator is not very good and should be replaced with better.
TheMalcolmConnection says above, if our best player felt mistreated by teams medical staff, why didn’t he go to owner and the entire medical staff get cut? Well that would mean the team would be admitting fault. Not many billion dollar companies and their lawyers would ever do that. Especially this one.
I get the owner has to back his FO and coaching staff over the players. But sometimes in rare circumstances, the FO and coaching staff are the problem.
I especially do not like the blurred line where where Bruce Allen has seemed to cross from FO to almost ownership side. He seems untouchable. I do not like that.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1225592]I just have a question I want everyone to answer, because I too feel it is about the money. How many LTs in the NFL are definitely 100% no arguments better than Trent Williams right now?? I am curious on responses.[/quote]

I'm sure you can get arguments from Cowboys and Titans fans.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1225616]I'm sure you can get arguments from Cowboys and Titans fans.[/quote]

Tyron Smith is pretty good so Cowboys fans can argue this but not Tenn fans, Lewan is not even close IMO.

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[quote=Defensewins;1225612]It is strange how the majority here take the teams side on player vs. team issues. I get that we just want the team to win. So whatever it takes....right?
Players were demonized last season because they disagreed with the way our defensive coordinator ran the defense. Some grew so frustrated they spoke out publicly because nothing was done to improve this issue on the field. So all of the players that spoke out were cut Even though many of us agree our D coordinator is not very good and should be replaced with better.
TheMalcolmConnection says above, if our best player felt mistreated by teams medical staff, why didn’t he go to owner and the entire medical staff get cut? Well that would mean the team would be admitting fault. Not many billion dollar companies and their lawyers would ever do that. Especially this one.
I get the owner has to back his FO and coaching staff over the players. But sometimes in rare circumstances, the FO and coaching staff are the problem.
I especially do not like the blurred line where where Bruce Allen has seemed to cross from FO to almost ownership side. He seems untouchable. I do not like that.[/quote]

Well there was a big voice of dissent in Jonathan Allen who disagreed with Swearinger's antics and his criticism of Manusky. Also, I think I've heard one or two players basically saying that Swearinger was a problem.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1225592]I just have a question I want everyone to answer, because I too feel it is about the money. How many LTs in the NFL are definitely 100% no arguments better than Trent Williams right now?? I am curious on responses.[/QUOTE]



Armstead, Smith and a couple others - guy from the chiefs - but like Matty said thats a conversation. I like Armstead. He is younger and has to pass block all day every day.
Nobody is hands down better than TW though.
...my bad I think I am talking about KC’s RT. Ill say Ronnie Stanley instead...

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[QUOTE=jamf;1225599]Santana Moss was on with Doc Walker yesterday and said he spoke with TW, TW is pissed about how the team handled his injuries and is considering legal action against the team.[/QUOTE]



So many people think this is just going to go away.....

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[quote=punch it in;1225638]So many people think this is just going to go away.....[/quote]


That is the case most of the time but our Redskins are going to F... this up.

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Just heard on the radio that Donald Penn is coming in for a visit.

Anybody have a link?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1225652]Just heard on the radio that Donald Penn is coming in for a visit.

Anybody have a link?

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Here you go:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037182/article/redskins-to-host-exraiders-left-tackle-donald-penn[/url]

Maybe Penn can be our new (older) Ty Nsekhe

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It would definitely make sense anyway... But this could be a leverage move in the TW situation, couldn't it ?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225653]Here you go:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037182/article/redskins-to-host-exraiders-left-tackle-donald-penn[/url]

Maybe Penn can be our new (older) Ty Nsekhe[/quote]

It only makes sense. We need a better insurance policy at left tackle. Get it done Bruce

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Bringing in Penn makes me think Trent could really have his heels dug in for the long term. Not good.

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[quote=MTK;1225660]Bringing in Penn makes me think Trent could really have his heels dug in for the long term. Not good.[/quote]

That was my thought too. If they sign him for $1.0M then it will tell me they're just trying to bolster the depth. If they pay $3M or something then I'll be a little concerned about Trent, it will tell me they think they have a roster hole they need to fill.

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[quote=Chico23231;1225658]It only makes sense. We need a better insurance policy at left tackle. Get it done Bruce[/quote]

You have Eric Flowers ,why worry?:)

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[quote=Schneed10;1225664]That was my thought too. If they sign him for $1.0M then it will tell me they're just trying to bolster the depth. If they pay $3M or something then I'll be a little concerned about Trent, it will tell me they think they have a roster hole they need to fill.[/quote]

true the contract will say a lot if they sign him

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Just get Penn on the team and kick Flowers inside or cut him.

Penn is a legit Tackle, probably should have signed him anyway as depth to begin with and have took Flowers money and signed a legit left Guard as depth and who could have challenged for starter position ala a Tom Compton.

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[quote=Chico23231;1225669]Just get Penn on the team and kick Flowers inside or cut him.

Penn is a legit Tackle, probably should have signed him anyway as depth to begin with and have took Flowers money and signed a legit left Guard as depth and who could have challenged for starter position ala a Tom Compton.[/quote]

Yeah 12 Year vet overall 77.5 Grade at Tackle.

Solid

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We need to trade Trent Williams right now!

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1225692]We need to trade Trent Williams right now![/QUOTE]Stop with that. Think of it in terms of stock. Buy low sell high. Right now you have disgruntled player wanting more money and an apology. If we trade him now it is the very definition of selling low. On the other side, since we have his rights for two years if he sits out we get cap relief for the games he misses, he loses money and potential money, which in the long run gives us better leverage.

Trading him now is a 2005 dan snyder move.

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Whoever said "Ereck Flowers is a legit backup tackle and/or guard" deserves to be fired. If he was half decent we wouldn't even talking about Donald Penn right now.

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Reportedly Penn wanted too much money, so they signed Cory Robinson.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RobiCo00.htm[/url]

10 games started in four years :(

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225693]Stop with that. Think of it in terms of stock. Buy low sell high. Right now you have disgruntled player wanting more money and an apology. If we trade him now it is the very definition of selling low. On the other side, since we have his rights for two years if he sits out we get cap relief for the games he misses, he loses money and potential money, which in the long run gives us better leverage.

Trading him now is a 2005 dan snyder move.

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I understand that. I'm just tired of kissing the ass of overpaid losers. He might be elite at his position. Yet his elite play at his position hasn't gotten us anywhere. I would much rather invest in the future before I pay this dude another dime extra. He agreed to a contract and he should play it out. What type of guy leaves his teammates hanging? I just want this whole thing to be over as soon as possible.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1225694]Whoever said "Ereck Flowers is a legit backup tackle and/or guard" deserves to be fired. If he was half decent we wouldn't even talking about Donald Penn right now.[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1225652]Just heard on the radio that Donald Penn is coming in for a visit.

Anybody have a link?

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Not anymore!!


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[QUOTE=MTK;1225660]Bringing in Penn makes me think Trent could really have his heels dug in for the long term. Not good.[/QUOTE]



Or it is intended to pressure Trent to make a deal. Doubt it will work, but that could be the thinking.


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[quote=httr198020;1225696]I understand that. I'm just tired of kissing the ass of overpaid losers. He might be elite at his position. Yet his elite play at his position hasn't gotten us anywhere. I would much rather invest in the future before I pay this dude another dime extra. He agreed to a contract and he should play it out. What type of guy leaves his teammates hanging? I just want this whole thing to be over as soon as possible.[/quote]

This is one of your more revealing posts. In this one, in the space of a single sentence, you've gone from calling Trent an overpaid loser to conceding that he might be elite at his position. You know that doesn't make any sense. I think if you could just cool your jets a little and post using more reason and less emotion than you would probably be able to make your points more clearly.

Haven't you noticed that this site is different? I'd say it is better than other Redskins sites because It is populated by posters who enjoy lively discussion and debate about the Redskins. Please, join the discussion but don't think that this site is a rant fest like another site we all know and dislike.

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[quote=calia;1225699]Or it is intended to pressure Trent to make a deal. Doubt it will work, but that could be the thinking.


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I definitely think that could be in play. If that's the case I actually think that's legit: you're not in a position to negotiate if the person you're negotiating with is your only option... you're right, not sure it'll work, but that'd be the right thing to do IMO.

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Considering the Redskins problem with injured players extending a player who misses 1/4 of the games, is always nicked up and over 30, with two years left on his contract would not be a smart move. It would be a different story if he was 25 and rarely missed a start.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1225703]This is one of your more revealing posts. In this one, in the space of a single sentence, you've gone from calling Trent an overpaid loser to conceding that he might be elite at his position. You know that doesn't make any sense. I think if you could just cool your jets a little and post using more reason and less emotion than you would probably be able to make your points more clearly.



Haven't you noticed that this site is different? I'd say it is better than other Redskins sites because It is populated by posters who enjoy lively discussion and debate about the Redskins. Please, join the discussion but don't think that this site is a rant fest like another site we all know and dislike.[/QUOTE]



Amen.

I’d add that it makes no sense to let him go and invest elsewhere (as httr says) because leaving Flowers at LT (or any other of their current alternatives) to protect any of our QBs is destined to end up having guys join Alex Smith on a golf cart. And that gets us nowhere.


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