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[quote=Warthog;1232744]BA needs to be fired first and replaced by the scouting Director Kyle Smith.

Gruden fired next and replaced by O’Connell.

Let the NEW GM find a new DC along with O’Connell. Manusky needs to go ASAP. But with the right replacement.

All after the Patriots ass whooping.


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I think you put Callahan as interim HC and turn over the offense completely to KOC so he can mesh with Haskins and be he sole playcaller. Then hire him the next year as the HC. I think the Browns did that with Freddie Kitchens.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1232780]I think you put Callahan as interim HC and turn over the offense completely to KOC so he can mesh with Haskins and be he sole playcaller. Then hire him the next year as the HC. I think the Browns did that with Freddie Kitchens.[/quote]

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Hes 34 years old, looks 34 years old and has very very limited experience and I just dont think he is anywhere near ready to be the HC for any NFL team, let alone this one.

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Hes 34 years old, looks 34 years old and has very very limited experience and I just dont think he is anywhere near ready to be the HC for any NFL team, let alone this one.[/quote]

Sean McVeigh is 33, he's doing okay I think.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1232785]Sean McVeigh is 33, he's doing okay I think.[/quote]

Yeah ... I dont think that correlates though.

McVay has Wade Phillips as his D Coord and a GM in Les Snead who spent 14 years as a pro scout and 2 years as director of player personnel and now has been the GM for the Rams the last 7 years. The same Rams GM that pulled off the RG3 trade with us in his first year.

Could OConnell be as good as McVay? Sure
Here, with Bruce/Snyder picking the players and coaching staff? Hell no.

So does Jay Gruden have a coaching tree now with McVay and OConnell as disciples? The only thing jay does well is passing scheme and the only thing McVay and OConnell do is passing scheme ...

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[quote=SunnySide;1232786]Yeah ... I dont think that correlates though.

McVay has Wade Phillips as his D Coord and a GM in Les Snead who spent 14 years as a pro scout and 2 years as director of player personnel and now has been the GM for the Rams the last 7 years. The same Rams GM that pulled off the RG3 trade with us in his first year.

Could OConnell be as good as McVay? Sure
Here, with Bruce/Snyder picking the players and coaching staff? Hell no.

So does Jay Gruden have a coaching tree now with McVay and OConnell as disciples? The only thing jay does well is passing scheme and the only thing McVay and OConnell do is passing scheme ...[/quote]

And that RG3 trade was a wash, those picks landed very avg players. Don't discredit McVay he's a damn good coach

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McVay is a great coach, taking a team to the SB is a big achievement.

If you believe O'Connell has full OC responsibilities then he needs some blame for this shit show and might not be the talent most people think he is.

If you believe Jay has full control over the passing game while Callahan controls the running game then O'Connell isn't a real OC and is not ready for HC.

I'm OK with going with O'Connell as interim HC but at the end of the year, Snyder needs to clean house or nothing will change.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1232765]I really believe Jay came into this season looking to get fired and expecting it, he joked way too much about it in the Pre season. When we go down to NE sunday by 30+ I just don't see anyway Dan keeps him Monday.



Hire Kevin O as the new HC[/QUOTE]What made you think highly of O'Connell?

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[quote=GridIron26;1232790]What made you think highly of O'Connell?[/quote]

I mean for the rest of this season, give him a tryout

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[quote=jamf;1232789]McVay is a great coach, taking a team to the SB is a big achievement.

If you believe O'Connell has full OC responsibilities then he needs some blame for this shit show and might not be the talent most people think he is.

If you believe Jay has full control over the passing game while Callahan controls the running game then O'Connell isn't a real OC and is not ready for HC.

I'm OK with going with O'Connell as interim HC but at the end of the year, Snyder needs to clean house or nothing will change.[/quote]

This is why I say put Callahan as interim HC and give the entire offense to KOC. If his offense shows improvement and some degree of success, then you can consider him your HC next season. If it doesn't, you can move on from him.

Your interim HC this year is going to be doing a lot of damage control and dealing with a lot of crap from a lost season. Callahan can do this as a former coach. No reason to put KOC there yet. And you leave yourself options by doing this.

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[quote=GridIron26;1232790]What made you think highly of O'Connell?[/quote]

The fact folks called the Skins inquiring on his availability to interview was the first thing I heard that he was well respected in some circles.

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[B][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000129743/article/jerry-rice-agrees-bill-callahan-sabotaged-super-bowl"]Let's not forget who Callahan is.[/URL]
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All coaches, staff, trainers, managers, and anyone else need to GTFO.
Nothing will change replacing a few pieces of this puzzle.

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I don't want KO as the head coach. He'll just be a puppet for Dan and Bruce. An in house hire is not what we need. It's the type of hire Bruce will want cause KO isn't a threat to him. We need to first hire a GM and then let him hire his own coach.

As far as McVay goes, people need to realize he could not have walked into a better situation. He had a solid GM, QB, RB and some nice pieces on defense. The Rams job was a better than most jobs a first year coach gets.

Now the entire NFL has a hard on for McVay and whomever talked with the guy gets a job. Btw, no disrespect to him cause he's a solid ass coach who knows his X's and O's.

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[quote=Warthog;1232744]BA needs to be fired first and replaced by the scouting Director Kyle Smith.

Gruden fired next and replaced by O’Connell.

Let the NEW GM find a new DC along with O’Connell. Manusky needs to go ASAP. But with the right replacement.

All after the Patriots ass whooping.


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This makes zero sense. Why would a new Gm come here and be forced to work w/ a coach that he probably doesn't want? Also Smith would in turn be the Gm since he's replacing Allen. SO what you're saying is put Smith as President and then hire a GM and make him work with incumbents? Then also make the new GM get a DC with a HC he probably doesn't want in the first place?? It sounds like your just want to fire guys w/out any plan. Keep your day job Warthog.. lol.

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[quote=jamf;1232789]McVay is a great coach, taking a team to the SB is a big achievement.

If you believe O'Connell has full OC responsibilities then he needs some blame for this shit show and might not be the talent most people think he is.

If you believe Jay has full control over the passing game while Callahan controls the running game then O'Connell isn't a real OC and is not ready for HC.

I'm OK with going with O'Connell as interim HC but at the end of the year, Snyder needs to clean house or nothing will change.[/quote]

Logic. You see it so rarely nowadays. If you were a chick I'd put a ring on it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1232785]Sean McVeigh is 33, he's doing okay I think.[/quote]

The Shanahan coaching tree is what will be popular this year and in the future.
All the young protégé

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1232791]I mean for the rest of this season, give him a tryout[/QUOTE]



This is where im at. Continuity is out the window for multiple reasons at this point. Why not at least give an in house candidate a trial period?

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[quote=punch it in;1232820]This is where im at. Continuity is out the window for multiple reasons at this point. Why not at least give an in house candidate a trial period?[/quote]

Honestly I would prefer fan seat winners being called down to round out the coaching staff. People might start showing uop to the games if they think they can be calling in plays. Totally worth it and can't get much worse right?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1232823]Honestly I would prefer fan seat winners being called down to round out the coaching staff. People might start showing uop to the games if they think they can be calling in plays. Totally worth it and can't get much worse right?[/quote]

Im fine with this too!

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/04/redskins-are-verge-lost-season-so-what-do-they-do-with-dwayne-haskins/[/url]

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More of the same jabber jaw shit

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As if trashing Scot Mclaughan on the way out wasn’t the epitome of dickish moves, now Bruce does this?

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/[/url]

Could he be any more petty?

Why on earth would anyone of consequence ever want to come coach here, when Bruce has an established pattern of shit like this?



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Well, things have taken a very interesting turn:

[url]https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/10/04/footage-shows-redskins-hc-jay-gruden-apparently-smoking-marijuana-hitting-on-younger-women-video/[/url]

No idea when this was filmed but it's pretty interesting that it comes out on the same weekend where Jay is supposedly going to be fired. Maybe this is a way for us to fire him and not have to pay his remaining salary?

How Long Will Jay Gruden Last This Season as Head Coach?
 

[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1232936]Well, things have taken a very interesting turn:



[url]https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/10/04/footage-shows-redskins-hc-jay-gruden-apparently-smoking-marijuana-hitting-on-younger-women-video/[/url]



No idea when this was filmed but it's pretty interesting that it comes out on the same weekend where Jay is supposedly going to be fired. Maybe this is a way for us to fire him and not have to pay his remaining salary?[/QUOTE]



That’s the take in the article i posted a few minutes ago.

It’s beyond Petty for Snyder and Allen to try to publicly smear Jay on his way out.

They gave Trent Williams the biggest OL contract in the history of the NFL after he was suspended for weed.... but they’re going to try and use the same thing to screw Jay out of the rest of his contract - after he was a good soldier and put up with their shit for years?

I said it a few minutes ago and I’ll say it again - Why on earth would anyone come here when the team is showing time and again that this is how it treats people? Why would anyone come here when they know this Is exactly what Dan and Bruce will do to them when they’ve decided they want to move on?

Seriously - fuck this team as long as Snyder and Allen are in charge. A company which treats its employees this way is not worthy of our time, our money, or our passion.

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Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder are despicable


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1232937]That’s the take in the article i posted a few minutes ago.

It’s beyond Petty for Snyder and Allen to try to publicly smear Jay on his way out.

They gave Trent Williams the biggest OL contract in the history of the NFL after he was suspended for weed.... but they’re going to try and use the same thing to screw Jay out of the rest of his contract - after he was a good soldier and put up with their shit for years?

I said it a few minutes ago and I’ll say it again - Why on earth would anyone come here when the team is showing time and again that this is how it treats people? Why would anyone come here when they know this Is exactly what Dan and Bruce will do to them when they’ve decided they want to move on?

Seriously - fuck this team as long as Snyder and Allen are in charge. A company which treats its employees this way is not worthy of our time, our money, or our passion.

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This really makes me so mad, even more mad when you realize that Bruce is going NOWHERE.

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I wanna think whoever filmed those videos released it because they either got paid or said Jay Gruden doesn't give a fuck because he's about to be fired. So I'm not entirely sure we can put this on Bruce and Dan.

But we can put running an incompetent organization on Bruce and Dan, and I'm fine with that. Fuck 'em.

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The timing of this is very strange.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1232943]The timing of this is very strange.[/QUOTE]



Not if you’re in the redskins front office and want to smear a guy you’re about to fire as you kick him out the door.

Its also pretty lame of them - i mean, who, in the real world, really cares about weed anymore?


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[quote=Schneed10;1232815]Logic. You see it so rarely nowadays. If you were a chick I'd put a ring on it.[/quote]

Gruden already confirmed he is the one calling the plays.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/3/20897450/jay-gruden-redskins-presser-im-getting-closer-on-a-qb-decision[/url]

The offense is all on him. He is both the HC and OC. If he was a good HC he would fire himself as OC.

Hopefully its Black Monday at Redskins Park.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1232806]This makes zero sense. Why would a new Gm come here and be forced to work w/ a coach that he probably doesn't want? Also Smith would in turn be the Gm since he's replacing Allen. SO what you're saying is put Smith as President and then hire a GM and make him work with incumbents? Then also make the new GM get a DC with a HC he probably doesn't want in the first place?? It sounds like your just want to fire guys w/out any plan. Keep your day job Warthog.. lol.[/QUOTE]



BA is listed as the Redskins Team President but is also acting as the GM. The first thing that needs to happen for the Redskins culture to change is for him to be fired. I suggested Kyle Smith because he’s the head of the scouting department and already in the Redskins organization. Smith has done a very good job with the team’s draft the last couple years. It is important to get someone competent into the GM job IMMEDIATELY because the team needs to trade guys like TW and others for DRAFT PICKS before the Oct 25 trading shutdown.

Gruden needs also to be replaced immediately. He’s not only coaching poorly but he’s making stupid decisions in order to get fired. If you move O’Connell into the HC position we actually can see how he does calling plays - since Gruden is doing it now instead of his OC. IDEALLY, you’d want the GM to make the HC decision, but there just isn’t time. Gruden and Manusky need to be fired ASAP.

Why the rush? Because the team needs to trade away as many older or expensive FA players like TW, Norman, Richardson and yes even Scherff to get as many draft picks for 2020 as they can. The offensive and defensive schemes need to be immediately improved so the new GM can evaluate players for their ability. Right now the offensive and defensive coaching (under Gruden and Manusky) is so bad, every player looks terrible.

Haskins and other rookies need to be played to get experience and to test their ability. Without getting a new GM, HC, DC right away you can’t fix the system enough to evaluate what they have or start the rebuilding process.

Hire Smith, O’Connell and a DC for this season only. See how they do with this season and then get into the post Season for the long-term contracts.

Only by Snyder giving full power to the GM can they get an elite prospect. Snyder’s reputation is justifiably terrible. Maybe Smith is the best the team can get for this season and as a long-term replacement. Same with the HC position. O’Connell May be all the team can get because of the team’s horrible reputation.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1232934]As if trashing Scot Mclaughan on the way out wasn’t the epitome of dickish moves, now Bruce does this?

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/[/url]

Could he be any more petty?

Why on earth would anyone of consequence ever want to come coach here, when Bruce has an established pattern of shit like this?



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[url]https://twitter.com/RedskinsCult/status/1180233583274921985[/url]

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Not sure if anyone has posted this article. But given the consensus that Gruden is gone and the not so coincidental release of the Gruden videos, maybe time to look at HC candidates? The dysfunctional Allen/Snyder way.
[URL="https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/ContentGallery/Five-candidates-to-replace-Jay-Gruden-if-he-gets-fired-112147934/"]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/ContentGallery/Five-candidates-to-replace-Jay-Gruden-if-he-gets-fired-112147934/[/URL]

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Anyone have sources to leak BA was not George Allens son? Maybe that would break hold he has on Dan???

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Bruce isn't going anywhere guys until he is ready to leave on his own terms. I know we all hate it but us talking and talking about Bruce leaving here isn't doing anything except making us more upset. I would be happy to eat crow on that but Bruce could probably go 0-16 this year and next year and he would still be going nowhere.

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Chick Hernandez coming to Jay Gruden's defense on Twitter:

[url]https://twitter.com/MrChickSports/status/1180299672180678657[/url]

[quote=Chick Hernandez]
Ridiculous that an old video of Jay Gruden not at his best moment resurfaces. People love to tear down. Now this is supposed to be a story? Seriously what are we doing? I know I’ll catch flak but who cares. How low do you wanna go.
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Any chance the Redskins themselves leaked that video so they can fire Gruden and not pay the rest of his contract due to some personal conduct clause?
Why anyone who isn't desperate for a job would work for this organization is beyond me. Look at what they did to Scot McCloughan. Any other organization would say they had a mutual parting of the ways and leave it at that, even if the guy was guzzling whiskey at his desk all day.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1232972]Any chance the Redskins themselves leaked that video so they can fire Gruden and not pay the rest of his contract due to some personal conduct clause?
Why anyone who isn't desperate for a job would work for this organization is beyond me. Look at what they did to Scot McCloughan. Any other organization would say they had a mutual parting of the ways and leave it at that, even if the guy was guzzling whiskey at his desk all day.[/quote]

That’s the rumor.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1232972]Any chance the Redskins themselves leaked that video so they can fire Gruden and not pay the rest of his contract due to some personal conduct clause?

Why anyone who isn't desperate for a job would work for this organization is beyond me. Look at what they did to Scot McCloughan. Any other organization would say they had a mutual parting of the ways and leave it at that, even if the guy was guzzling whiskey at his desk all day.[/QUOTE]



What is he doing wrong that would be a personal conduct violation?

It’s just someone trying to make him look bad. Just like what was done to just about everyone on their way out here. It’s pathetic.



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[quote=MTK;1232976]What is he doing wrong that would be a personal conduct violation?

It’s just someone trying to make him look bad. Just like what was done to just about everyone on their way out here. It’s pathetic.



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I didn't see the video, but I heard he was smoking a joint.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1232977]I didn't see the video, but I heard he was smoking a joint.[/QUOTE]


Debatable as to what exactly he was smoking, I thought it was just a cigarette



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