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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1237692]Big fan of the eye test. Not a big fan after only 3 starts. I agree with most of your posts. This one, imo, needs more time.[/quote]

Honest opinion, what if Haskins was on the Lions and had that performance today. Would you feel the same way?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1237692]Big fan of the eye test. Not a big fan after only 3 starts. I agree with most of your posts. This one, imo, needs more time.[/quote]

The fact his techniques are so terrible means quick improvement isn't likely, it will take a while for good habits to become instinct.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1237692]Big fan of the eye test. Not a big fan after only 3 starts. I agree with most of your posts. This one, imo, needs more time.[/QUOTE]


Not as much time as the train of thought that he is improving sd. We might have won the game, but It was in spite of our quarterback play. We won the game because Stafford was out. And the Lions D is worse than ours. Im stopping short of calling him a bust because it is just too early to tell, but he did not trend up today and he couldn’t have had an easier test.
I know you are trying. Lol.

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I wouldnt write him off yet...but if he doesnt improve much then I think we should take a qb in the 1'st and not Tua - he's injury prone... If we dont take a qb I think LT in the 1'st is the correct pick for us.. Our OL needs a lot of help.... But he will really depnd oh who is avaialbe and what we do in free agency...

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[QUOTE=VTSkins1961;1237702]I wouldnt write him off yet...but if he doesnt improve much then I think we should take a qb in the 1'st and not Tua - he's injury prone... If we dont take a qb I think LT in the 1'st is the correct pick for us.. Our OL needs a lot of help.... But he will really depnd oh who is avaialbe and what we do in free agency...[/QUOTE]



Chase Young is far and away the best player available. Cincy should have the first pick and should take Burrows. Miami plays Cincy later on and if the Dolphins win that opens up the door for us to pick at 2. If Cincy takes Burrows we need to draft Young. If Cincy takes Young we go with the Andrew Thomas.
We definitely need to address the o line through our other picks and FA. Tight end, corners are our other areas of need. Honestly if we had a damn GM or HC this would not be such an impossible dream. Guice McLaurin and Harmon are some good young pieces.
Haskins will probably be our starter next year no matter what happens the rest of the way. He gets alot of experience, and a full off season, camp, etc as the guy.
Pray to every And or any God you do or do not believe in that Bruce Allen is fired and our next staff is capable of coaching him up and filling in the blanks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237691]I just go by the eye test and the kid doesn't have it. He can throw and shit out of the ball and really moves well, but it's the accuracy. It's like what Gruden said when he's bad he's "abnormally bad." The offense didn't score a TD against a bad defense.[/quote]

I'm an optimistic/glass half full kinda person, and really wanna afford Haskins time. But in the back of my mind, I sense a player who'll either take awhile to get it or simply be a bust.

His mechanics are poor, as I've been saying all season, and you can tell when he's either late on throws or has predetermined where he's going with the ball that he tries to make up for it by relying on his arm strength/talent.

The selfie pic during the waning moments of the game is one of those things that makes you wonder about his focus and maturity. Sort of like his (paraphrased) "The league has messed up" message after he was drafted later than he felt.

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Its still way too early to make a final decision on Haskins but yesterday his accuracy was terrible. He was missing guys that were all alone which killed drives. Hopefully he can improve.

As for the selfies, with so few paying customers DH was just providing an enhanced customer experience. Haha

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Why is everyone making a big deal about the kid going over to the fans and taking selfies? The game was over and he was excited.

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I think people who say the eye test shows Haskins improving are putting vodka in their breakfast orange juice and having quite a few of them. A 47.5 rating against a team that was recently giving up a 125 average over a month should not be passing any eye tests. It wasn't like his poor numbers were the result of a bunch of drops. I realize he isn't in the best situation with a shaky O-line and lacking a tight end as a receiving threat, but as he is playing now even if he started on the 49ers he would be a bottom rated QB.

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I said in preseason that I didn't want him playing at all this year because he was out of his depth. The only reason he's playing now is because he was drafted in the 1st round.

He has none of the 3 qualities I look for in a pro QB.

Accuracy - Poor
Intelligence - Lacking
Character - Flawed

I don't see him ever being a reliable starter.

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How could the team scout Haskins and not see the issues with his mechanics?? I’m waiting to see progress .. missing wide open receivers for td’s is getting old . All I’m saying is that if he is playing like this at the end of season we cannot ignore that position going into next year..

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237753]I think people who say the eye test shows Haskins improving are putting vodka in their breakfast orange juice and having quite a few of them. A 47.5 rating against a team that was recently giving up a 125 average over a month should not be passing any eye tests. It wasn't like his poor numbers were the result of a bunch of drops. I realize he isn't in the best situation with a shaky O-line and lacking a tight end as a receiving threat, but as he is playing now even if he started on the 49ers he would be a bottom rated QB.[/quote]

Agreed. I know he's only a few games in, but MAN he is really not passing the eyeball test. Also, as a person he really rubs me the wrong way. :P :(

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Haskins play yesterday is very concerning. You cant miss wide open TDs multiple times in a game and be a quality QB in this league.


I could care less about the selfie...its not a big deal. Its a huge deal when he commits 2 TO while missing 2 TD. The first miss is a no excuse miss. The other while a much tougher throw, it wasn't close. He has to give his WR a better chance than that.

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Yea Chico, you gotta hit those plays .. I’m hoping but have doubts about the QB situation ..

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[quote=Chico23231;1237759]Haskins play yesterday is very concerning. You cant miss wide open TDs multiple times in a game and be a quality QB in this league.


I could care less about the selfie...its not a big deal. Its a huge deal when he commits 2 TO while missing 2 TD. The first miss is a no excuse miss. The other while a much tougher throw, it wasn't close. He has to give his WR a better chance than that.[/quote]

He was AWFUL yesterday for 3 1/2 Qtrs... The last 2 drives he was clutch I will give him that. I'll have to check the tape but watching the game on TV looked like one of the worst QBs in the league.. When u get outplayed by a back-up QB that was about to be moved to WR.. That is bad.

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Why I do have hope:

1. Haskins made plays to win the game yesterday. Big mental boost for the guy, great job.

2. You can see rapport being built between Haskins and Terry, Harmon, AP, Guice.

3. The offensive coaching produced opportunities in the passing game. [B]Plays were there to be made.[/B] Id say, keep Harmon, Terry on the field. For the love of god, get Sims or PRich in the slot and put Quinn on the bench.

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Bad optics with the selfie thing, some in the local media will undoubtedly have a field day with that this week. I say who cares but the haters don’t need much fuel to blow it up into a big deal.

Supposedly he has a wrist issue which could have led to the accuracy issues.


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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1237756]How could the team scout Haskins and not see the issues with his mechanics?? I’m waiting to see progress .. missing wide open receivers for td’s is getting old . All I’m saying is that if he is playing like this at the end of season we cannot ignore that position going into next year..[/QUOTE]


The football people in the org didn’t want him in the first round. He was Danny’s pick.



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[quote=MTK;1237764]Bad optics with the selfie thing, some in the local media will undoubtedly have a field day with that this week. I say who cares but the haters don’t need much fuel to blow it up into a big deal.

Supposedly he has a wrist issue which could have led to the accuracy issues.


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My only issue with it is him saying "I had no idea the game was still on" You as a QB have to know this period, I Know he was hyped and he is very young but still.

As for the Wrist issue, he has never been an accurate passer in the intermediate game so I think that was just an excuse.

He used his legs yesterday to win the game and that's great but that won't get it done for the majority of games.. Its not like he is lamar jackson running around.

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I'm not going to be critical of Haskins on the field, this is the worst situation he could be in considering all the issues with Gruden and the front office had early on. Gruden had no intentions of preparing Haskins to be the starter, it was McCoy or Bust for Jay. Outside of getting playing time, this year has been a waste for DH. Next training camp will be his first real training camp so give the kid some leeway when it comes to footwork and general on field stuff.

on the sideline, kid is clueless little bitch. I'm already tired of hearing about this bullshit.
DH wants to be a leader but isn't mature enough for it.

Callahan going for the lead on 1st down with 20seconds left shows you how fucked up this whole situation is. Callahan is in over his head as well.

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[quote=jamf;1237770]I'm not going to be critical of Haskins on the field, this is the worst situation he could be in considering all the issues with Gruden and the front office had early on. Gruden had no intentions of preparing Haskins to be the starter, it was McCoy or Bust for Jay. Outside of getting playing time, this year has been a waste for DH. [B]Next training camp will be his first real training camp so give the kid some leeway when it comes to footwork and general on field stuff.
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on the sideline, kid is clueless little bitch. I'm already tired of hearing about this bullshit.
DH wants to be a leader but isn't mature enough for it.

Callahan going for the lead on 1st down with 20seconds left shows you how fucked up this whole situation is. Callahan is in over his head as well.[/quote]

His slipped through the cracks with that footwork and a few other things he does technique wise. Those things can be worked on with a QB coach while wearing a T-shirt and shorts. If he is serious about improving, he needs to work on those during the off season. He is way behind there and needs to put in extra work.

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WE have to draft a QB next year. They're not going to do what the Cards did but they have to draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th round. You simply have to get another young guy in the mix. Haskins needs to be pushed by someone who is already more mature and more fundamentally sound.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237771]His slipped through the cracks with that footwork and a few other things he does technique wise. Those things can be worked on with a QB coach while wearing a T-shirt and shorts. If he is serious about improving, he needs to work on those during the off season. He is way behind there and needs to put in extra work.[/quote]

My thing is guys that are not accurate don't all of a sudden start becoming Drew Brees when they get in the NFL. It's something you have or you don't. I just keep going back to what Gruden said about being "abnormally bad."

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It feels like an rg3 situation all over again, but less mature, and less athletically gifted. I hope he can learn...and even if he does, I have a feeling he wont stick around past his rookie contract. He wants to get paid and doesnt care about team. And that's *if* he pans out. Just the feeling I have with no real justification behind it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237774]My thing is guys that are not accurate don't all of a sudden start becoming Drew Brees when they get in the NFL. It's something you have or you don't. I just keep going back to what Gruden said about being "abnormally bad."[/quote]

You can improve though especially if there is willingness by the player. Lamar Jackson is making throws this year he is not even close to making last year.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1237776]You can improve though especially if there is willingness by the player. Lamar Jackson is making throws this year he is not even close to making last year.[/quote]

Jackson is w/out question better. He is so much fun to watch.

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I didn't like the Haskins pick from the start. And the fact he was Danny's pick all but guarantees they're not going to bail on him any time soon.

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[quote=MTK;1237778]I didn't like the Haskins pick from the start. And the fact he was Danny's pick all but guarantees they're not going to bail on him any time soon.[/quote]

100% correct. The only reason they bailed on RG3 was because he couldn't stay on the field because of injuries. No matter what progress he makes or doesn't make, as long as DH stays healthy he will be the Skins QB.

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[quote=MTK;1237778]I didn't like the Haskins pick from the start. And the fact he was Danny's pick all but guarantees they're not going to bail on him any time soon.[/quote]

Its a frustrating reality. I agree, but at this point Im gonna support him and hope he can put it together.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1237752]Why is everyone making a big deal about the kid going over to the fans and taking selfies? The game was over and he was excited.[/QUOTE]



Um....the game wasn’t over.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1237759]Haskins play yesterday is very concerning. You cant miss wide open TDs multiple times in a game and be a quality QB in this league.





I could care less about the selfie...its not a big deal. Its a huge deal when he commits 2 TO while missing 2 TD. The first miss is a no excuse miss. The other while a much tougher throw, it wasn't close. He has to give his WR a better chance than that.[/QUOTE]



I agree completely on your take on his play but the selfie was so bad imo - forget the fact that you are supposed to be on the field which is mind numbing but you played like an ass - so maybe just get into the locker room shower and start watching film of you not hitting the broad side of the barn.

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[quote=punch it in;1237785]Um....the game wasn’t over.[/quote]

I just don't think it was a big deal. I'm more worried about how he can't hit basic passes that any NFL backup can hit. Then he comes out and says his wrist is bothering him? IDK about this guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237790]I just don't think it was a big deal. I'm more worried about how he can't hit basic passes that any NFL backup can hit. Then he comes out and says [B]his wrist is bothering him? IDK about this guy[/B].[/quote]

Yeah I took this as a bullshit excuse. His wrist must have gotten hurt on the first play of the game. weak

Forget the selfie, the coaching staff should lay into ass for that excuse. He needs to be better...wtf, he completed 44% yesterday? practice and work harder, that's pathetic

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237790]I just don't think it was a big deal. I'm more worried about how he can't hit basic passes that any NFL backup can hit. Then he comes out and says his wrist is bothering him? IDK about this guy.[/quote]

But....the game wasnt over. He is the starter of an nfl team. Fucking off with the fans when there is ANY time on the clock and he should be on the field is unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237791]Yeah I took this as a bullshit excuse. His wrist must have gotten hurt on the first play of the game. weak

Forget the selfie, the coaching staff should lay into ass for that excuse. He needs to be better...wtf, he completed 44% yesterday? practice and work harder, that's pathetic[/quote]

The ironic part about this is the guy we were rumored to go after (Rosen) had better grades in his rookie yr than DH has so far.. That is def. concerning

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[quote=MTK;1237765]The football people in the org didn’t want him in the first round. He was Danny’s pick.



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This is 100% true as I was told by a former QB that is very close to Jay Gruden...

Dan and Bruce are praying to the almighty that Dwayne pans out but I'll be honest, after the last few games I'm starting to have doubts. The tape is really bad on him right now, outside of 2 big throws last week.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1237792]But....the game wasnt over. He is the starter of an nfl team. Fucking off with the fans when there is ANY time on the clock and he should be on the field is unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.[/quote]

He obviously has some growing up to do.

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Did the Redskins play a double header yesterday and I missed one of the games?
Was listening to the B-Mitch show while running some errands and a dude called in saying he liked everything he saw about Haskins yesterday. Many other callers were excited about the future with Haskins, McLaurin and Guice. Only McLaurin has shown anything special, the other two have been total duds so far. Excited about a passer with a 55.9 career rating and a running back averaging 2.7 YPC that has already missed significant time with two injuries?

Who is giving away the rose colored glasses and happy pills?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237800]Did the Redskins play a double header yesterday and I missed one of the games?
Was listening to the B-Mitch show while running some errands and a dude called in saying he liked everything he saw about Haskins yesterday. Many other callers were excited about the future with Haskins, McLaurin and Guice. Only McLaurin has shown anything special, the other two have been total duds so far. Excited about a passer with a 55.9 career rating and a running back averaging 2.7 YPC that has already missed significant time with two injuries?

Who is giving away the rose colored glasses and happy pills?[/quote]

That is the hope in most fans, can't fault them for that. Those 3 are young and could be studs for a long time. I'm not sold on Haskins or Guice but I am sold on Terry, that kid is a legit #1 and will be a top 10 WR one day

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It’s been a disaster of a season, actually since half way through last year. I can’t fault fans for feeling good after a win. And nothing wrong with feeling hopeful about the young guys like Haskins, Guice, McLaurin, Harmon, etc.


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