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If it wasn't for chase young, we would not be mad at Tua going to us at #2

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1246516]If it wasn't for chase young, we would not be mad at Tua going to us at #2[/QUOTE]



Yeah I would, Haskins hasn’t shown anything to make us think he’s a bust. In fact I’d say his bust potential is low.


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Glad you are back safely. Do not think 3 picks will be offered. A very tough decision if so but Simmons, a LT and a top tier WR sound great. But so does Chase Young. If Skins can get that high offer no complaint but much less, no thanks.

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[quote=Oriawa;1246522]Glad you are back safely. Do not think 3 picks will be offered. A very tough decision if so but Simmons, a LT and a top tier WR sound great. But so does Chase Young. If Skins can get that high offer no complaint but much less, no thanks.[/quote]

Agree, if we wanted #2 pick we would have to give up a lot.

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[quote=MTK;1246518]Yeah I would, Haskins hasn’t shown anything to make us think he’s a bust. In fact I’d say his bust potential is low.


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He was great the last 2 weeks, I believe he can be good. Tua has the higher upside w/out the injuries of course.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1246528]He was great the last 2 weeks, I believe he can be good. Tua has the higher upside w/out the injuries of course.[/QUOTE]



You can’t take away the injuries though, it’s a significant red flag


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[quote=MTK;1246532]You can’t take away the injuries though, it’s a significant red flag


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Correct but two good games doesn't constituted fully believing in Haskins. Also, lets not forget Haskins season was end prematurely due to injury as well.

Also i wonder how far DH would have dropped if we didn't draft him.

I am leaving this one up to RR.

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I'm not saying that we should draft Tua. I just don't see any reason to avoid drafting a promising young QB this year or any year. For example, Jordan Love or Jalen Hurts could become good NFL QB's. It is my understanding that the rosters have been expanded by one more player for next season. There is your opening to carry a third QB. Why not have two young QB's and a veteran backup? Why wait to add and develop a second young QB when your starter could be hurt at any time? Also, if your starter falters, why not have another young QB who has had some development time and is ready to go? Does the name Kirk Cousins sound familiar?

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Never said I fully believe in Haskins, I don’t think anyone is saying that.

He gave us just enough where I want to see more.


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[quote=MTK;1246538]Never said I fully believe in Haskins, I don’t think anyone is saying that.

He gave us just enough where I want to see more.


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I am playing devils advocate here. I am not 100% in the Tau boat.

Taking your statement above why not draft Tau and let the best man win at the most important position in football. You could "see" both at the same time.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1246537]I'm not saying that we should draft Tua. I just don't see any reason to avoid drafting a promising young QB this year or any year. For example, Jordan Love or Jalen Hurts could become good NFL QB's. It is my understanding that the rosters have been expanded by one more player for next season. There is your opening to carry a third QB. Why not have two young QB's and a veteran backup? Why wait to add and develop a second young QB when your starter could be hurt at any time? Also, if your starter falters, why not have another young QB who has had some development time and is ready to go? Does the name Kirk Cousins sound familiar?[/quote]

This would be the argument to drafting Tau. I agree with you. Plus two rookie QBs doesn't use up a bunch of $$$ either.

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[quote=mredskins;1246542]This would be the argument to drafting Tau. I agree with you. Plus two rookie QBs doesn't use up a bunch of $$$ either.[/quote]

Although it could be used as an argument to draft Tua, I didn't intend it that way. I was thinking the Skins could go ahead and draft Chase Young or trade the pick for a king's ransom. Then, if another QB they like falls in the draft they shouldn't hesitate to draft him.

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Drafting Tua means passing on a (supposed) generational talent in Chase Young.

Tua's injury history makes the decision a little easier for me. But let's pretend Tua will never be hurt again .... I still say Chase Young is a better value.

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Man, didn't take long for people to fall into the Tua trap huh?

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[quote=mredskins;1246541]I am playing devils advocate here. I am not 100% in the Tau boat.

Taking your statement above why not draft Tau and let the best man win at the most important position in football. You could "see" both at the same time.[/quote]

Problem is you really can't have QBs "compete" for the job anymore with such limited (possibly soon to be even more limited) practice time. Splitting reps in practice ends up hurting both guys as you're not giving them enough snaps to really develop. And then a natural divide develops in the locker room depending on who guys get behind and support. And then the constant questioning Rivera and the players would deal with all offseason. I really don't think RR wants to go down that road.

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[quote=MTK;1246555]Problem is you really can't have QBs "compete" for the job anymore with such limited (possibly soon to be even more limited) practice time. Splitting reps in practice ends up hurting both guys as you're not giving them enough snaps to really develop. And then a natural divide develops in the locker room depending on who guys get behind and support. And then the constant questioning Rivera and the players would deal with all offseason. I really don't think RR wants to go down that road.[/quote]

Yea you have to move DH if you draft TUA

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1246556]Yea you have to move DH if you draft TUA[/quote]

Yup, for below market value because the trade is forced. Thus setting your team back even further.

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[quote=mooby;1246561]Yup, for below market value because the trade is forced. Thus setting your team back even further.[/quote]

Not if Tua is the clear better QB

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I am going to block skinsfaninok until after the draft.

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[quote=MTK;1246555]Problem is you really can't have QBs "compete" for the job anymore with such limited (possibly soon to be even more limited) practice time. Splitting reps in practice ends up hurting both guys as you're not giving them enough snaps to really develop. And then a natural divide develops in the locker room depending on who guys get behind and support. And then the constant questioning Rivera and the players would deal with all offseason. I really don't think RR wants to go down that road.[/quote]

Makes sense.

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[quote=MTK;1246555]Problem is you really can't have QBs "compete" for the job anymore with such limited (possibly soon to be even more limited) practice time. Splitting reps in practice ends up hurting both guys as you're not giving them enough snaps to really develop. And then a natural divide develops in the locker room depending on who guys get behind and support. And then the constant questioning Rivera and the players would deal with all offseason. I really don't think RR wants to go down that road.[/quote]

This is a good point about the practice reps. Dwayne had virtually no practice reps with the first team when he had to be inserted into the lineup and he struggled hugely for the first few games. Once he settled in, he performed well. I think a lot of folks are overlooking that when they claim that Haskins is a bust.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1246568]I am going to block skinsfaninok until after the draft.[/quote]

LOL I love u SD. Lets go Haskins!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1246573]LOL I love u SD. Lets go Haskins!![/quote]

I'm now more paranoid about Tua than catching the Coronavirus lol.

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Tua is not coming to this team. If Haskins really busts this season, with all the improvements to the OL, TE, WR then we’ll draft for a QB with our first draft pick in 2021.


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I wonder how much this regime likes the front 7 enough to make a deal?

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I'd like the front 7 better with CY. We don't have an out and out LE pass rusher as it stands, and he would give us that plus the increased capability to swap personnel all across the DL for situational need.

And I suspect we've only kept RK so far in case we don't/can't draft CY. He could be waive/trade bait post draft if we do, or CY leverages us to renegotiate his contract.

If we draft QB or trade down then it puts RK in a good position with his current contract, else we weaken the front 7 if we let him go.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1246563]Not if Tua is the clear better QB[/quote]

Yeah but can he pass accurately from the bench when he’s in a hip and ankle cast?

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1247348]Yeah but can he pass accurately from the bench when he’s in a hip and ankle cast?[/QUOTE]


When you spend a first round pick in a QB, then you have to give him a reasonable time to see if he can be your future franchise QB. Seven games is not enough time, especially when he had outstanding numbers in his last 2 games. If he plays the whole 2020 season, then he will have been evaluated for 23 games, which is a reasonable sampling. Then you make your decision based on the best available information.

If we pass up on Chase Young, who many predict could be an outstanding defensive talent, then passing him would be a waste of a very high draft pick. If we draft Tua and then Dwayne Haskins goes onto another team and becomes THEIR franchise QB, then we wasted that draft pick.

The Cardinals thought Rosen was going to be a bust, based on a mediocre rookie season, and so drafted a QB in their first round the next year. Haskins had an average 2019 rookie season, based on his total numbers (7 TD, 7 INT). However, these numbers were warped by his extremely poor first game (3 INT). Gruden threw him into that game without ever having ever practiced with the first squad, ever. Haskins was just not ready. After that bad first game he steadily improved, and finished with two OUTSTANDING games.

Rosen never had a SINGLE good or very good or excellent game in his rookie season. Much less finishing with two outstanding games. BL, no matter how much people like Tua, you can’t dump a rookie QB when they finish so strongly. Now Haskins may bust out in 2020 and then we’ll have to draft a QB with our first pick in 2021. It isn’t about Chase Young or Tua in the draft. Haskins finished very strong in 2019 and that bought him a year to be evaluated in 2020.


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[quote=Warthog;1247465]When you spend a first round pick in a QB, then you have to give him a reasonable time to see if he can be your future franchise QB. Seven games is not enough time, especially when he had outstanding numbers in his last 2 games. If he plays the whole 2020 season, then he will have been evaluated for 23 games, which is a reasonable sampling. Then you make your decision based on the best available information.

If we pass up on Chase Young, who many predict could be an outstanding defensive talent, then passing him would be a waste of a very high draft pick. If we draft Tua and then Dwayne Haskins goes onto another team and becomes THEIR franchise QB, then we wasted that draft pick.

The Cardinals thought Rosen was going to be a bust, based on a mediocre rookie season, and so drafted a QB in their first round the next year. Haskins had an average 2019 rookie season, based on his total numbers (7 TD, 7 INT). However, these numbers were warped by his extremely poor first game (3 INT). Gruden threw him into that game without ever having ever practiced with the first squad, ever. Haskins was just not ready. After that bad first game he steadily improved, and finished with two OUTSTANDING games.

Rosen never had a SINGLE good or very good or excellent game in his rookie season. Much less finishing with two outstanding games. BL, no matter how much people like Tua, you can’t dump a rookie QB when they finish so strongly. Now Haskins may bust out in 2020 and then we’ll have to draft a QB with our first pick in 2021. It isn’t about Chase Young or Tua in the draft. Haskins finished very strong in 2019 and that bought him a year to be evaluated in 2020.


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Makes tons of sense.

Here's hoping DH crushes it this year. And that CY does as well, freeing up Sweat to go nuts too. The tandem of these two, with our strengths in the middle, is intoxicating.

This lower key approach to free agency just could be the foundation for fun returning to Skins Nation.

Or .. I guess ... it could be more of the same. Which we're used to. But I think it's different this time around.

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Cowturd talking with Phil Simms this afternoon says he has a source (reliable) that the Bengals will trade out of the #1 spot .

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Cowturd also had Brady going to about six different teams over the past few months and also retiring. He has zero credibility.

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[quote=Giantone;1247527]Cowturd talking with Phil Simms this afternoon says he has a source (reliable) that the Bengals will trade out of the #1 spot .[/quote]

There has been rumors that Miami wants Burrow and will do what they can to try and get him.. I do find it odd the Bengals have done nothing with Dalton

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1247533]There has been rumors that Miami wants Burrow and will do what they can to try and get him.. I do find it odd the Bengals have done nothing with Dalton[/quote]

Dalton is still under contract correct?

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[quote=Redskins247;1247534]Dalton is still under contract correct?[/quote]

Yeah so they would have to cut him or move him

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[quote=MTK;1247528]Cowturd also had Brady going to about six different teams over the past few months and also retiring. He has zero credibility.[/quote]

He changes his mind every time the wind blows a different direction. Unfortunately for me where I drive and the time I do it he seems to be what I get most often flipping channels on the radio.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1247514]Makes tons of sense.

Here's hoping DH crushes it this year. And that CY does as well, freeing up Sweat to go nuts too. The tandem of these two, with our strengths in the middle, is intoxicating.

This lower key approach to free agency just could be the foundation for fun returning to Skins Nation.

Or .. I guess ... it could be more of the same. Which we're used to. But I think it's different this time around.[/quote]

Agree our front 4 could be very interesting.

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Am in the "Haskins has not earned a year's start". Win it in camp, ok. I can see tons of reasons for taking Young or Tua but the Haskins' right to a year's evaluation isn't there. While Rivera may have been hired with the understanding of developing Haskins he just as well may have an understanding that if there is a QB out there he wants he can get him. As for getting a 1st rounder for Trent, Skins blew that chance last year.

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Read somewhere in here that Haskings even when he looked good did so only with the help of some terrific work from WRs. I agree and do think he looked like the future in any game he played last year. Does not mean taking Tua at #2; would have to be called still in the Chase Young crowd. But if we traded up into round 2 and Love was there I would be all for it except that we have more pressing needs. Should be fascinating.

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Got any more details on what Colin had to say? Such as why they would do it? If they like any of 3 - 4 QBs then it would make sense. But which team would want to jump to #1 with the fortune it would cost? Some more fun for the draft even if pretty unlikely.