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[quote=Monkeydad;1254183]Here's where we're losing touch with facts and history.


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[url]https://406mtsports.com/football/washington-redskins-logo-has-deep-connection-to-blackfeet-reservation-wetzel-family/article_7e919d9b-8e06-5218-8d86-d5c713ee3997.html[/url][/quote]

Yes, I knew that the logo was designed by a NA and I always thought the logo was done in honor and respect (vs the indians Chief Wahoo .. which is clearly an offensive characture).

I think my main point on this issue is that its not clear cut imo. For every article or NA who says its offensive, you can find one that says the opposite. Puts me in an uncomfortable spot bc i am not a NA so I dont think I have a say so in whether the term "redskins" is offensive. I do think it did not start as a slur but it did evolve into one.

You point to the NA high school that is called "redskins". I can point to the the principal of one of these, Red Mesa High School in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona, said that use of the word outside American Indian communities should be avoided because it could perpetuate "the legacy of negativity that the term has created".
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There is no consensus.

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[quote=SunnySide;1254192]Yes, I knew that the logo was designed by a NA and I always thought the logo was done in honor and respect (vs the indians Chief Wahoo .. which is clearly an offensive characture).

I think my main point on this issue is that its not clear cut imo. For every article or NA who says its offensive, you can find one that says the opposite. Puts me in an uncomfortable spot bc i am not a NA so I dont think I have a say so in whether the term "redskins" is offensive. I do think it did not start as a slur but it did evolve into one.

You point to the NA high school that is called "redskins". I can point to the the principal of one of these, Red Mesa High School in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona, said that use of the word outside American Indian communities should be avoided because it could perpetuate "the legacy of negativity that the term has created".
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There is no consensus.[/quote]

The high school in Manteo NC (home of Virginia Dare and the Lost Colony) is the Manteo High School Redskins.

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There is no consensus but multiple NAtive Americans polling with overwhelming strong majority that say the name isn’t offensive. I don’t care what white people think because they are so emotionally unhinged and unresponsive to hard data and facts...fuck them

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[quote=Chico23231;1254200]There is no consensus but multiple NAtive Americans polling with overwhelming strong majority that say the name isn’t offensive. I don’t care what white people think because they are so emotionally unhinged and unresponsive to hard data and facts...fuck them[/quote]

How hard do you punch down on the keyboard when you type?

We agree on 3 things.

1. There is no consensus
2. It doesnt matter what non NA think
3. You paint with a very large brush


(I assume you are referring to the Wash Po survey. After looking into it .. it only required people to "self identify" as some part NA. When the census allowed people to pick more than 1 category for race, there was a large increase in people "self identifying" as NA ..... but these are waters we already travelled pages ago on here)

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edit -- I honestly think Snyder will not be changing the name this year. PR move to say its being considered, form some committees .. then hope it goes away in time.

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[quote=Chico23231;1254200]There is no consensus but multiple NAtive Americans polling with overwhelming strong majority that say the name isn’t offensive. I don’t care what white people think because they are so emotionally unhinged and unresponsive to hard data and facts...fuck them[/quote]

Most polls I've seen are 90-95% of NA either support or are indifferent.

There have always been stray tribes and activists protesting the Redskins going back for decades but it's never been a number like the media leads people to believe.

I never used my own Native American heritage to get a handout or step up in schooling, jobs or politics...and I'm a LOT more than 1/1,024th Indian. I have the nose to prove it. :laughing-

My Great Grandmother was full or near-full-blooded Cherokee Indian...and I'm a lifelong Redskins fan since early childhood. I've embraced the team's identity as honoring, not disparaging.

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Guy's your letting facts and truth get in you way of thinking. You have to think out side of the box and think of the few others this offends. Its a crises and we can make the world right again by just changing the name. Then all of the oppressed Indians will prosper and live happy successful lives. See how easy that was.

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1254218]Guy's your letting facts and truth get in you way of thinking. You have to think out side of the box and think of the few others this offends. Its a crises and we can make the world right again by just changing the name. Then all of the oppressed Indians will prosper and live happy successful lives. See how easy that was.[/QUOTE]



Nah what’s important is white people not having to live oppressed lives because of the nickname of a football team. Quit crying as if this is somehow ruining your life.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1254164]I'd say the Eskimo refers to the ice cream being cold. When have you ever heard anyone claim to be offended by an Eskimo Pit ice cream sandwich? Or pancake mix? Or a band name (Lady Antebellum)? Or Uncle Ben's rice? Gone with the Wind? College kids doing alligator arms at a Gators football game? The Texas Rangers baseball team, named after law enforcement? Hell, there's a real petition circulating in Ohio to rename the town of Columbus "[B]Flavortown[/B]". In California, they passed a law saying that the word "manhole" is illegal, they're now to be called "maintenance holes". I'm waiting for Blacksmiths and Blacktoppers to be banned.

It's like The Onion's craziest stories are reality now.



These things are not being attacked because they were designed to be racist or even because people are legitimately offended, there's just a power trip right now by a segment of the population intent on "fundamentally transforming America", or in other words...destroying its history.


Did you hear about UVA's "racist" sword logo? Now wavy lines are racist!

[url]https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2020/04/new-virginia-athletics-logo-ignites-controversy-over-use-of-serpentine-walls[/url]

[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.particlenews.com%2Fimg%2Fid%2F3We86b_0PMcb8r200%3Ftype%3Dthumbnail_1024x576&f=1&nofb=1[/img][/quote]

MD...add this to the list traffic signal thingys

The Unintentional Racism Found in Traffic Signals

[url]https://level.medium.com/the-unintentional-racism-found-in-traffic-signals-b2899c34fefb[/url]

I thought it was satire...nope

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Who do I need to apologize to for being born white ? Has COVID 19 made everybody insane ?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1254243]Who do I need to apologize to for being born white ? Has COVID 19 made everybody insane ?[/QUOTE]



Who said you need to apologize for being born white? I think you are missing the larger point no? It is a time of change for persecuted groups ie blacks, native Americans etc. You are not, nor were you ever the persecuted one. Why do you feel like you are?

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[quote=Chico23231;1254200]There is no consensus but multiple NAtive Americans polling with overwhelming strong majority that say the name isn’t offensive. I don’t care what white people think because they are so emotionally unhinged and unresponsive to hard data and facts...fuck them[/quote]

Referring to this ...it’s just getting very toxic ..I get on here because I love the team .. nobody knows anything about anybody else except we all love the team .. it just seems like certain guys can get on here and tell people to shut the fuck up .. and then say fuck white people.. I say WTF is up with all that nonsense ? Does anybody moderate at all and can you just say anything ? Maybe I’m to damn old to deal with this nonsense ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1254248]Referring to this ...it’s just getting very toxic ..I get on here because I love the team .. nobody knows anything about anybody else except we all love the team .. it just seems like certain guys can get on here and tell people to shut the fuck up .. and then say fuck white people.. I say WTF is up with all that nonsense ? Does anybody moderate at all and can you just say anything ? Maybe I’m to damn old to deal with this nonsense ..[/QUOTE]



Hard to read into blurbs on a chat sight too much. Can never really gauge someones level of sincerity. Anyway there are just bigger issues than football right now. Hopefully in the not too distant future my biggest worry will be what to drink when the game starts. Lol.

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I deleted this ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1254252]I got a serious question .. to the Chico man or whatever he goes by ..how can a person have 25,000 post on this forum and only now realize that the name Redskins is rascist and offensive? And if it took you this long and 25,000 post to figure it out you may want to take a deep look into yourself .. I HAVE NEVER thought it was a bad name and apparently MILLIONS of people have no issue ..it’s all part of the let’s tear down the damn Country movement .. everything is offensive but it’s okay to tell white people to go fuck off .. that is the most rascist post ever made on this site ! You should be proud Chico.. by the way I joined this site the same year you did 2009 and have less than 1000 post .. you gave 25,000 post !! You need to spend a little less time on here and more on your real life social skills ..[/quote]

You are not following my good man. If a very large, overwhelming majority of Native American have no problem with the Redskins name...when asked repeatedly......ask yourself, why are we here? Look around a bit...traffic signals are suddenly racist, Abe Lincoln statues must be torn down...who is telling you this silliness?

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I pm’d you

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1254255]You are not following my good man. If a very large, overwhelming majority of Native American have no problem with the Redskins name...when asked repeatedly......ask yourself, why are we here? Look around a bit...traffic signals are suddenly racist, Abe Lincoln statues must be torn down...who is telling you this silliness?[/QUOTE]



No Chico as usual you are not following. Other posters have explained those surveys to you, and have also explained over and over that even if a few are bothered that it is a few too many. This is part of a much bigger issue. This is a branch on the racist tree that has been growing in America for hundreds of years. It bothers the piss out of you that is going to change we get it. So take your ridiculous articles that you think are going to paint all the real issues in the same light and go watch more Fox news.
Sincerely,
Dick face Punch

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[quote=punch it in;1254262]No Chico as usual you are not following. Other posters have explained those surveys to you, and have also explained over and over that even if a few are bothered that it is a few too many. This is part of a much bigger issue. This is a branch on the racist tree that has been growing in America for hundreds of years. It bothers the piss out of you that is going to change we get it. So take your ridiculous articles that you think are going to paint all the real issues in the same light and go watch more Fox news.
Sincerely,
Dick face Punch[/quote]

Yeah the thing is, the small amount of Native tribes that are upset is the issue. The PR is just too negative and honestly not worth the bs anymore because we all know it's never going away. So just change the name and move on, honestly it may bring us some better mojo anyway

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1254273]Yeah the thing is, the small amount of Native tribes that are upset is the issue. The PR is just too negative and honestly not worth the bs anymore because we all know it's never going away. So just change the name and move on, honestly it may bring us some better mojo anyway[/QUOTE]



Well I understand there are not millions of Native Americans who are marching, but as others have noted the surveys are severely flawed and again this is about racism in general. Not just NA’s. When Malcolm Jenkins went off on Brees I was like good for him, but where is he now about Desean? You cannot pick and choose parts of racism to get up in arms about. It is all or nothing. And I completely agree about the mojo. We have seen so much crazy bad luck over the last 25 years that I think every one of us at some point in a game thread has said change the name we r cursed. Lol
Cannot be a little bit racist. Try telling your wife you cheated a little bit.

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Been defending the name my entire life Okie. Using the same reasoning...they are called Redskins on their teams, the logo is proud. The song is proud. Etc etc. I look at it completely different now. No matter how small a part of the problem it is part of the problem. If changing it becomes a small part of the solution im all for it.

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Comes down to issue fatigue for me more than anything. I'm just done with it. The drama isn't going away so just change it and be done with it once and for all. I just want to watch football. Shit about uniforms and names and fight songs are trivial in the big picture.

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[quote=punch it in;1254318]Been defending the name my entire life Okie. Using the same reasoning...they are called Redskins on their teams, the logo is proud. The song is proud. Etc etc. I look at it completely different now. No matter how small a part of the problem it is part of the problem. If changing it becomes a small part of the solution im all for it.[/quote]

I feel very similar. I have even decided regardless of perception we need to look at actual data and the impacts. This is a review research paper (a paper that asks a research question and then finds papers that validate and refute the research question). In this case the psychological effects of Native American mascots on Native American students. It is an interesting read, it also is not definitive.

[url]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13613324.2020.1772221[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1254319]Comes down to issue fatigue for me more than anything. I'm just done with it. The drama isn't going away so just change it and be done with it once and for all. I just want to watch football. Shit about uniforms and names and fight songs are trivial in the big picture.[/QUOTE]



That too but it is time for change. Big picture change. I always thought it would bother me (in a football sense if they changed their name, uniforms etc, but honestly Im excited for it. Not just in a right and wrong way but in a football way. We need a fresh start. Im totally holding my breath about Snyder being forced out. God that would be the freshest of starts.

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CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago Blackhawks say they will continue to use their team name because it honors a Native American leader who has been an inspiration to generations.

"The Chicago Blackhawks name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public," the NHL team said in a statement Tuesday.

RELATED: GOV. HOGAN AGREES REDSKINS' NAME IS A SLUR

"We celebrate Black Hawk's legacy by offering ongoing reverent examples of Native American culture, traditions and contributions, providing a platform for genuine dialogue with local and national Native American groups. As the team's popularity grew over the past decade, so did that platform and our work with these important organizations.

"[B]We recognize there is a fine line between respect and disrespect[/B], and we commend other teams for their willingness to engage in that conversation. Moving forward, we are committed to raising the bar even higher to expand awareness of Black Hawk and the important contributions of all Native American people. "
[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/chicago-blackhawks-explain-history-team-name-plan-continue-using-it[/url]

Best case scenario I think would be for the skins to be renamed after an actual tribe. There is a difference btw "redskins" and "blackhawks" ... one is on the right side of the line, the other is not

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[quote=SunnySide;1254331]CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago Blackhawks say they will continue to use their team name because it honors a Native American leader who has been an inspiration to generations.

"The Chicago Blackhawks name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public," the NHL team said in a statement Tuesday.

RELATED: GOV. HOGAN AGREES REDSKINS' NAME IS A SLUR

"We celebrate Black Hawk's legacy by offering ongoing reverent examples of Native American culture, traditions and contributions, providing a platform for genuine dialogue with local and national Native American groups. As the team's popularity grew over the past decade, so did that platform and our work with these important organizations.

"[B]We recognize there is a fine line between respect and disrespect[/B], and we commend other teams for their willingness to engage in that conversation. Moving forward, we are committed to raising the bar even higher to expand awareness of Black Hawk and the important contributions of all Native American people. "
[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/chicago-blackhawks-explain-history-team-name-plan-continue-using-it[/url]

Best case scenario I think would be for the skins to be renamed after an actual tribe. There is a difference btw "redskins" and "blackhawks" ... one is on the right side of the line, the other is not[/quote]


It's why I think Redhawks will be fine

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[quote=Chico23231;1254255]You are not following my good man. If a very large, overwhelming majority of Native American have no problem with the Redskins name...when asked repeatedly......ask yourself, why are we here? Look around a bit...traffic signals are suddenly racist, Abe Lincoln statues must be torn down...who is telling you this silliness?[/quote]

Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? If you are not, stop speaking for other people. Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.

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[quote=punch it in;1254262]No Chico as usual you are not following. Other posters have explained those surveys to you, and have also explained over and over that even if a few are bothered that it is a few too many. This is part of a much bigger issue. This is a branch on the racist tree that has been growing in America for hundreds of years. It bothers the piss out of you that is going to change we get it. So take your ridiculous articles that you think are going to paint all the real issues in the same light and go watch more Fox news.
Sincerely,
Dick face Punch[/quote]

Never mind.

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[quote=rocnrik;1254248]Referring to this ...it’s just getting very toxic ..I get on here because I love the team .. nobody knows anything about anybody else except we all love the team .. it just seems like certain guys can get on here and tell people to shut the fuck up .. and then say fuck white people.. I say WTF is up with all that nonsense ? Does anybody moderate at all and can you just say anything ? Maybe I’m to damn old to deal with this nonsense ..[/quote]

Years back I got kick off this site had to come back under a different name. Guess I might now get kick off again. LOL

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[quote=Ruhskins;1254336][B]Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? If you are not, stop speaking for other people.[/B] Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.[/quote]

:doh:

Jfc...just like white liberal pieces of shit are doing who don’t give a flying fuck about the Skins?

I’ve already said, like MTK above, just change it. I care because it’s not racist...saying it is, is an outright lie. People who are offended should have left the fan base a long time ago.

Oh yes, US...the land of oppression. Please gtfo

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The way I see it if you're in a group of people telling others what shouldn't bother them, you're just as bad as those telling others what should bother them.

It's not a stretch to think a word that's defined in the dictionary as being racist, is offensive to some people. Would we even consider naming a team today Redskins? Of course not.

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[quote=Back2RFK;1254340]Years back I got kick off this site had to come back under a different name. Guess I might now get kick off again. LOL[/quote]

What was your old name?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1254336]Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? [B]If you are not, stop speaking for other people. [/B]Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.[/quote]

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

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[quote=JackLord;1254345]The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.[/quote]

The Bullets changed their name to the Wizards for lesser reasons and they are fine.

And yes, a name change is just an inconvenience compared to everything else. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm not going to bitch and whine about it, and just move on.

I just want this over and done with and talk about football. I'll be a fan of this team, regardless of their name. Same way I'm still a fan of the Wiz (man I like losing teams).

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I hope Blackhawks fans aren't naive. After the Name Changers finish with the Redskins they are rolling onto a new target next. It's as guaranteed as death and taxes. They might pick another team, but eventually they're coming for you!

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[quote=MTK;1254343]The way I see it if you're in a group of people telling others what shouldn't bother them, you're just as bad as those telling others what should bother them.

[B]It's not a stretch to think a word that's defined in the dictionary as being racist, is offensive to some people. Would we even consider naming a team today Redskins? Of course not[/B].[/quote]

That’s a fair point.

But again, I find it strange some would support and even vote for a person like Elizabeth Warren who actually lied about NA heritage more than once and benefited from it. But that’s a different subject, for a different time.

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[quote=Chico23231;1254348]That’s a fair point.

But again, I find it strange some would support and even vote for a person like Elizabeth Warren who actually lied about NA heritage more than once and benefited from it. But that’s a different subject, for a different time.[/quote]

Yeah please take that to the political threads.

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End of the day .... I honestly dont see Snyder changing the name this year. I think he explores it long enough for it to quiet down then he shelves it.

Admittedly I have not read up on the nuances of the corporate sponsors, the type of money they actually bring in, does their contract have an "out" clause etc

5 years or 10 years down the line? Probably .. maybe.

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[quote=SunnySide;1254350]End of the day .... I honestly dont see Snyder changing the name this year. I think he explores it long enough for it to quiet down then he shelves it.

Admittedly I have not read up on the nuances of the corporate sponsors, the type of money they actually bring in, does their contract have an "out" clause etc

5 years or 10 years down the line? Probably .. maybe.[/quote]

It's money driven, so he'll change it. And he'll cash in on all of the old gear people are going to buy in droves before the change, as well as the new gear.

Regardless of the name issue, given how much shit the team has done in the past 10-20 years, I don't mind a fresh start with a new identity.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1254346]The Bullets changed their name to the Wizards for lesser reasons and they are fine.

And yes, a name change is just an inconvenience compared to everything else. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm not going to bitch and whine about it, and just move on.

I just want this over and done with and talk about football. I'll be a fan of this team, regardless of their name. Same way I'm still a fan of the Wiz (man I like losing teams).[/quote]

Thanks for answering my points, not.

The Bullets changed their name for even more inane reasons. It took some serious and frightening stupidity to link street violence with the name of a basketball team. Ole Abe Pollin was a good man, but his notion of cause & effect was right out of a Lewis Carroll story.

Not to mention, if Bullets was sooooooo horrible and spawned violence, then why do the Wizards still sell Bullets gear and have the team wear Bullets uniforms on throwback nights?

Sure the team will be fine although they will still have Danny running the show. I have rooted for the REDSKINS since 1971. I have watched them in 5 Super Bowls. I cannot be flippant about ditching years of fun and history because a bunch of goateed SJWs think Indians have red skin.

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[quote=JackLord;1254345]The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.[/quote]

I have no clue how you can say this is anything but free market. Sponsors are pulling money. They are doing so because of their image with consumers. Other NFL owners are fed up with Dan hurting the image of their product. Nobody is forcing Dan to change the name but he will have to deal with the ramifications if he doesn't.

Re: Skins getting heat again over name issue
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1254355]I have no clue how you can say this is anything but free market. Sponsors are pulling money. They are doing so because of their image with consumers. Other NFL owners are fed up with Dan hurting the image of their product. Nobody is forcing Dan to change the name but he will have to deal with the ramifications if he doesn't.[/quote]

Were it an issue of the Free Market, then sponsors would let the market decide. If the issue hurt the Skins' bottom line- a highly unlikely scenario- then the sponsors would mobilize. But they are not waiting for that. They are doing what scores of other people and organizations are doing- capitulating to the woke mobs.

Snyder is most certainly being forced to change the name.