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[quote=MTK;1278092]If I'm BS I might opt to take the $18M tag this year and hit the open market next year.[/quote]

I'm not tagging him again. All that does is puts us in the exact same position next year but with even more leverage for him. If you can't reach a deal, let him walk.

In general, I think the franchise tag only benefits any team to use just once.

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[quote=MTK;1278092]If I'm BS I might opt to take the $18M tag this year and hit the open market next year.[/quote]

Doesn't make a lot of sense for some players to be in free agency with a lower cap this year. Also, I wonder if a tagged BS can become a trade asset. Just throwing it out there.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278093]I'm not tagging him again. [B]All that does is puts us in the exact same position next year but with even more leverage for him[/B]. If you can't reach a deal, let him walk.

In general, I think the franchise tag only benefits any team to use just once.[/quote]

Yop, we've seen this movie already.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278093]I'm not tagging him again. All that does is puts us in the exact same position next year but with even more leverage for him. If you can't reach a deal, let him walk.

In general, I think the franchise tag only benefits any team to use just once.[/quote]

There are cases where it could make sense, with a high-leverage position on a team contending. We are not such a case. Just be aware without him our already mediocre OL is going to get worse fast. That is not the end of the world, but our C and RT look much more mortal without Scherff locking up one side for them. You basically need to start over on OL, which could be better long term. Rather pay $15M+ a year to a RT or LT than a freaking RG. More mismanagement from the past haunting us. For me, very tough to give a huge deal to Scherff because of injury history. But can you really let our only elite offensive player walk?

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[quote=Scalper;1278127]There are cases where it could make sense, with a high-leverage position on a team contending. We are not such a case. Just be aware without him [B]our already mediocre OL[/B] is going to get worse fast. That is not the end of the world, but our C and RT look much more mortal without Scherff locking up one side for them. You basically need to start over on OL, which could be better long term. Rather pay $15M+ a year to a RT or LT than a freaking RG. More mismanagement from the past haunting us. For me, very tough to give a huge deal to Scherff because of injury history. But can you really let our only elite offensive player walk?[/quote]

Pretty sure that mediocre offensive line was ranked #6 in the league last year. I doubt the plan is to start over...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278135]Pretty sure that mediocre offensive line was ranked #6 in the league last year. I doubt the plan is to start over...[/quote]

PFF has us ranked #6 in the league for 2020.

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings[/url]

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Slow time so I'm gonna post this here.Saw snippet of Dale Ernhardt Jr podcast with ex falcon coach Jerry Glanville.Glanville hasnt spoken to Gibbs since 91 playoff cause he's still pissed about what the condition of the turf was,that his team was fast and they didnt turn the pumps on to drain it,and he claimed it hadnt rained in 2 months,which has got to be a load of crap:saywhat:
So he blames that on Gibbs,and it's not like he wouldnt have done the same thing anyway if he thought it would give his team an advantage.
I wish Dale Jr,{being as he is a redskin fan should know this},would have brought up the absolute shellacking the skins put on the Falcons earlier in the year on dry turf,probably Rypiens finest day as a qb.

On side note not related to football but related to Joe Gibbs,his grandson won his first ever xfinity race in dramatic fashion on last lap,that was pretty cool

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Even on a neutral field we would have smoked them. They just weren't anywhere near the same class as the 91 Redskins. I'm sure Gibbs is heartbroken that Glanville won't talk to him.

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[quote=MTK;1278152]Even on a neutral field we would have smoked them. They just weren't anywhere near the same class as the 91 Redskins. I'm sure Gibbs is heartbroken that Glanville won't talk to him.[/quote]

I doubt Gibbs even remembers who Glanville is.

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Finally came in

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[quote=MTK;1278152]Even on a neutral field we would have smoked them. They just weren't anywhere near the same class as the 91 Redskins. I'm sure Gibbs is heartbroken that Glanville won't talk to him.[/quote]

I agree.Werent the 91 skins chosen best superbowl team of all time in one of those computer simulation things a few years ago?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1278155]I agree.Werent the 91 skins chosen best superbowl team of all time in one of those computer simulation things a few years ago?[/quote]

Yes.

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there may be some truth to glanville's comments but it's called home field advantage. 91 falcons had a good team but they were not as complete as the 91 skins.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1278165]there may be some truth to glanville's comments but it's called home field advantage. 91 falcons had a good team but they were not as complete as the 91 skins.[/quote]

Glanville was and always will be a clown. Notice how everyone talks about his sayings and his personality and never his talent as a coach. That’s because he didn’t have any.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1278166]Glanville was and always will be a clown. Notice how everyone talks about his sayings and his personality and never his talent as a coach. That’s because he didn’t have any.[/quote]

he was a bit of a clown, but to me he wasn't a bad coach. he fielded some really good teams both in atlanta and w/ the oilers.

guys like glanville and buddy ryan helped make the NFL a truly great league back in those days. you needed guys like them ( and also gibbs and walsh types) to help create true rivals. now it's all about clean cut mcvay look a likes. it's not the same and never will be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1278167]he was a bit of a clown, but to me he wasn't a bad coach. he fielded some really good teams both in atlanta and w/ the oilers.

guys like glanville and buddy ryan helped make the NFL a truly great league back in those days. you needed guys like them ( and also gibbs and walsh types) to help create true rivals. [B]now it's all about clean cut mcvay look a likes. it's not the same and never will be.[/B][/quote]

Detroit Lions would like to challenge this point. You see their new guy's press conference?

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I'm sorry but if you think this is better than WFT you need to root for arena football...

That shit is awful

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278177][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMLEkgXMAM9M_o?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

I'm sorry but if you think this is better than WFT you need to root for arena football...

That shit is awful[/quote]

Any name will be awful if you give them a logo that looks like a sunshine and tag spray paint lettering.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278177][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMLEkgXMAM9M_o?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

I'm sorry but if you think this is better than WFT you need to root for arena football...

That shit is awful[/quote]

Well that’s your opinion. I like that name and that logo. But it doesn’t matter because I have Redskins gear to last me til I die.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1278177][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMLEkgXMAM9M_o?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]



I'm sorry but if you think this is better than WFT you need to root for arena football...



That shit is awful[/QUOTE]My opinion the lettering could go but the logo and name would be great. I don't get the disdain?

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I'd prefer Washington Wolves. Keep the W and our colors. Hail to the pack.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1278183]I'd prefer Washington Wolves. Keep the W and our colors. Hail to the pack.[/QUOTE]Wouldnt mind wolves at all. Some sort of double W would work as a logo for that too

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What's the word on Thaddeus Moss? I actually forgot about him. It would be nice if he could step in and surprise much like Logan Thomas did last year. He's had a year to sit back and learn the playbook. Seems like some thought he was a steal, and others thought his skill set was limited... I haven't heard anything on his progress from the foot fracture. Did he have surgery?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1278183]I'd prefer Washington Wolves. Keep the W and our colors. Hail to the pack.[/QUOTE]


Washington Wolves would be better than Redwolves IMO. I think they need to get the color Red out all together. We were Redskins , no need to be “Red” anymore. The HTTR is in the past let it be

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278177][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMLEkgXMAM9M_o?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

I'm sorry but if you think this is better than WFT you need to root for arena football...

That shit is awful[/quote]

let it go. redwolves is not going to happen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1278190]let it go. redwolves is not going to happen.[/quote]

I'd be okay with Washington Wolves

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1278191]I'd be okay with Washington Wolves[/quote]

I think if Washington Wolves is the best we can do we might as well stick with the dumb Football Team name.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1278167]he was a bit of a clown, but to me he wasn't a bad coach. he fielded some really good teams both in atlanta and w/ the oilers.

guys like glanville and buddy ryan helped make the NFL a truly great league back in those days. you needed guys like them ( and also gibbs and walsh types) to help create true rivals. now it's all about clean cut mcvay look a likes. it's not the same and never will be.[/QUOTE]


I don’t think Glanville or Ryan are anywhere near the same caliber as Gibbs. Want to mention Walsh, Knoll, Parcells, or even Landry in the same sentence - fine. But Glanville and Ryan? No way.


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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278135]Pretty sure that mediocre offensive line was ranked #6 in the league last year. I doubt the plan is to start over...[/quote]

We got routinely owned by better teams, on pass rush especially. We beat one winning team, and one reason (of many) that better teams beat us is we couldn't block the more elite rushers.

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[quote=Scalper;1278194]We got routinely owned by better teams, on pass rush especially. We beat one winning team, and one reason (of many) that better teams beat us is we couldn't block the more elite rushers.[/quote]

Well, most teams get beat by the more elite rushers. That's why they call them elite; and you don't get routinely owned throughout the season, and come out at the end with the 6th best offensive line in the league.

Having four different starting QBs (with the best option being completely immobile), a starting RB basically learning the position and missing time due to injury, and receivers who (other than Terry) couldn't get separation, made the line look worse than they were.

There's no reason to start over here. They would be fine if they just add some developmental depth in the draft and retain Scherff.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278208]Well, most teams get beat by the more elite rushers. That's why they call them elite; and you don't get routinely owned throughout the season, and come out at the end with the 6th best offensive line in the league.

Having four different starting QBs (with the best option being completely immobile), a starting RB basically learning the position and missing time due to injury, and receivers who (other than Terry) couldn't get separation, made the line look worse than they were.

There's no reason to start over here. They would be fine if they just add some developmental depth in the draft and retain Scherff.[/quote]

Agreed. Our line wasn't great in the run game, but out played expectations (or at least mine) in pass pro.

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We know there are a lot of options in FA at WR, but here are some players I don't think that much thought was given to yet, and could make sense for us :

WR: Will Fuller

ILB: Avery Williamson, Christian Kirksey, Joe Thomas, Kevin Minter

Safety: Malik Hooker, Keany Neals

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1278217]We know there are a lot of options in FA at WR, but here are some players I don't think that much thought was given to yet, and could make sense for us :

WR: Will Fuller

ILB: Avery Williamson, Christian Kirksey, Joe Thomas, Kevin Minter

Safety: Malik Hooker, Keany Neals[/quote]

I mentioned Fuller on the basis that Robinson and Golladay will likely be tagged. Downside is he's still got to finish a suspension and that gives me further pause for thought (could it happen again?). I'd pursue other options alongside him and grab him if our first options didn't pan out (and assuming he was still available..

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278218]I mentioned Fuller on the basis that Robinson and Golladay will likely be tagged. Downside is he's still got to finish a suspension and that gives me further pause for thought (could it happen again?). I'd pursue other options alongside him and grab him if our first options didn't pan out (and assuming he was still available..[/quote]

I still like Corey Davis over Fuller given his injury history and the suspension.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278219]I still like Corey Davis over Fuller given his injury history and the suspension.[/quote]

Samuel too. Talk of Godwin being tagged, but I'm curious how the Buccs do that with less than 10M cap space.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278220]Samuel too. Talk of Godwin being tagged, but I'm curious how the Buccs do that with less than 10M cap space.[/quote]

He said he'd rather play for less and stay on a winner

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[quote=mooby;1278192]I think if Washington Wolves is the best we can do we might as well stick with the dumb Football Team name.[/quote]

I was a proponent of the Washington Renegades early on in the renaming process. Richmond used to have a minor league hockey team named the Renegades and it was pretty sweet.

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[I]Here are the players PFF thinks would be fits for us in free agency. Overall PFF FA ranking and analysis included.[/I]

[B]7. S ANTHONY HARRIS[/B]

Anthony Harris has been one of the best safeties in football for the past few seasons, steadily earning himself increased playing time in Minnesota. He put together an All-Pro caliber season in 2019 before taking a step back this year along with the rest of the Vikings’ defense. Harris earned a 91.1 overall PFF grade a season ago, which came hot on the heels of the 89.0 mark he posted the year before that when he played 624 snaps and started half the season due to injury. He has been a perfect free safety within Mike Zimmer’s defense, which employs a lot of split-safety looks and has been particularly adept at making plays on the football, with coverage being by far his biggest asset. Harris has shown the ability to read route concepts and quarterbacks at the same time, putting himself in position to make plays. He should be primed for a big deal.

Contract Analysis: Minnesota has a huge decision to make at safety with the anchor of their defense in Harrison Smith entering the final year of his deal in 2021, as well. Harris’ emergence opposite Smith has been a welcome development, and although he’s the younger player, it’s hard to imagine the Vikings letting Smith play a single snap outside of Minnesota before his potentially Hall of Fame career is over.

Prediction: Football Team signs Harris for four years, $56 million ($14M APY): $27.5 million total guaranteed, $16 million fully guaranteed at signing.

[B]9. G BRANDON SCHERFF[/B]

One of the most dependable guards in the league, Scherff has never posted a PFF grade below 72.5 in his six-year NFL career.* Over the last three seasons, Scherff ranks among the league’s best guards in nearly every key metric, including a 97th percentile ranking on true pass sets and 90th percentile ranking in percentage of positively graded plays. Both numbers are among the most important when projecting interior offensive linemen from year to year.
In the run game, Scherff can do it all, showing the power at the point of attack and the quickness to make any block in space. He’s also one of the most polished pass protectors in the league, and he stands out as the best interior offensive lineman in this free agent class.

Contract Analysis: The NFC East currently has the NFL’s No. 1, 2, and 3 highest-paid right guards on an annual basis in Brandon Brooks (Eagles), Zack Martin (Cowboys), and Kevin Zeitler (Giants). Scherff’s 2020 franchise tag amount of just above $15M will likely serve as the floor for what he’s looking for on an annual basis in an extension, which would make him the highest-paid guard in the NFC East (and NFL).

Prediction: Washington signs Scherff for four years, $60M ($15M APY): $37.5M total guaranteed, $25M fully guaranteed at signing.

[B]25. WR COREY DAVIS[/B]

While Davis may never live up to his No. 5 overall draft status, he has become a reliable No. 2 receiver. His four-year body of work puts him slightly above average when measured by PFF receiving grade, receiving grade against single coverage and yards per route run. Davis pairs one of the lowest drop rates in the league with one of the lowest catchable-target rates — his 2020 breakout may be more than a mirage. Davis looked the part of a high-volume possession receiver coming out of college, but he works best on the outside running the vertical route tree, and he’s been better than expected at winning in contested situations at the catch point.

Davis may never develop into an all-around route-runner or a dynamic threat after the catch, but if expectations are properly set, he fills the role of a dependable complementary receiver on the outside. Davis' 86.9 regular season grade was by far the best of his career and ranked eighth among all receivers.

Contract Analysis: Davis was supposed to be the high draft pick breakout wide receiver in Tennessee, but A.J. Brown burst onto the scene in 2019 and isn’t looking back. Tennessee will have a hard time retaining Davis, who has earned a solid contract and whose status as the No. 5 overall pick will artificially inflate the value of that contract even further.

Prediction: Football Team signs Davis for four years, $65M ($16.25M APY): $32M total guaranteed, $20M fully guaranteed at signing.

[B][B]64. CB RONALD DARBY[/B][/B]

It’s been an odd career for Darby, who has now had productive seasons for three different teams in his six NFL seasons. The problems in between have been injuries and ineffectiveness, and 2020 is the first season in which Darby has played at least 600 snaps since 2016. He’s best in man coverage, where he has the speed and shiftiness to hang with a variety of receivers. Darby has graded in the 92nd percentile in single coverage since entering the league.

The knock on Darby has always been a lack of interceptions, both in college and in the NFL; he has just eight in his career. But for man-heavy teams looking to make life difficult on outside receivers, he is worth another look as he hits free agency for the third straight season.

Contract Analysis: Darby signed a pseudo-one-year deal with the Eagles in 2019 that had voidable years tacked on, and after he endured the worst season of his career following a torn ACL, Philadelphia indeed moved on. Another prove-it deal of $3 million from the Washington Football Team went much better for Darby, and now he’s poised to hit the market at a high point. After six full seasons in the NFL, Darby still only just turned 27 years old on Jan. 2.

Prediction: Washington signs Darby for three years, $30 million ($10M APY): $16.5 million total guaranteed, $10 million fully guaranteed at signing.

[I]Whether or not you agree with them about players, PFF puts in the work. They don't just tell you who and what but they tell you why, with the numbers to back it up. I think this is a very nice FA list for the WFT. PFF has obviously been paying attention to our team needs and not just throwing darts blindfolded like many FA predictors seem to do. Good job, PFF![/I]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1278167]
Guys like glanville and buddy ryan helped make the NFL a truly great league back in those days. you needed guys like them ( and also gibbs and walsh types) to help create true rivals. now it's all about clean cut mcvay look a likes. it's not the same and never will be.[/quote]

I know you're going to slap your forehead and say "Doh!" when I mention this coach who was a winner, a very like-able man, and an unforgettable character: Bum Phillips.

You're right about the characters who coached in the NFL "back in the day." I'll name some more: Mike Ditka, Dennis "We knew who they were!" Green, Jim "Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?!" Mora, and our own George Allen, the originator of the storied Dallas/Washington rivalry.