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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275639]In what aspect is Carr demonstrably worse than Stafford?[/quote]

Demonstrably may not have been the best word to use there. And I’ll admit, Carr is a solid starter. If he came at a cheap price (or is even available?) I could get on board.

I would just much rather have Stafford. Carr seems like such a lame duck QB but after seeing some other posts with numbers I may have underestimated him... maybe.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275667]Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

[B]Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.[/B][/quote]

Sounds good to me. Not to mention that would make the team more attractive to future FA’s as well.

My hope is we brought in Mayhew, among other reasons, because of his ties to Stafford. Rivera might have already decided he wants to go after Stafford and brought in people he thinks can make that move work.

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I'm sorry, I've seen Carr play here since his rookie season and he'll never be a winner. If you want an average under achieving QB get Carr.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1275672]I'm sorry, I've seen Carr play here since his rookie season and he'll never be a winner. If you want an average under achieving QB get Carr.[/quote]

He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275674]He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.[/quote]

You would take Carr over Stafford?

I think Carr would be only a slight upgrade of Kyle Allen, so I wouldn’t pay him a lot if we are interested...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1275663]Are the Raiders shopping Carr? That would surprise me if they were.[/quote]

Raiders shopping anybody is a red flag.

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[quote=Scalper;1275662]If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.
And it will take more than #19.
Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.
I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.

So four years from now, do we have:

(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.
Or a QB that retired.

Such short term thinking. People never learn.
Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.
The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.
Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.
Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.[/quote]

You're right, it will take more than the #19 pick. I've said that all along. However, if it [I][B]would[/B][/I] only take the #19 pick (fantasy world), you'd be a straight up idiot not to do that.

Like rocnik said, at least with Stafford you know what you're getting.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275674]He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.[/quote]

All I’m going to say is, if you hated Kirk Cousins, you are going detest Carr. I would take Cousins over him any day.

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[quote=Chico23231;1275675]You would take Carr over Stafford?

I think Carr would be only a slight upgrade of Kyle Allen, so I wouldn’t pay him a lot if we are interested...[/quote]

Their current contracts are fairly equal at this point. Carr's due a few Mil less in 2022.

I'd probably lean towards Stafford, but I'm not even sure why. They are basically the same guy. If they are both traded this offseason, the Raiders and Lions will likely get comparable compensation.

I just don't see much separating them, do you?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1275678]All I’m going to say is, if you hated Kirk Cousins, you are going detest Carr. I would take Cousins over him any day.[/quote]

Why?

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I never hated Kirk. I wanted him to stay here.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275680]Why?[/quote]

INT's at critical times over and over, holds on to the ball and takes a lot of sacks. If Raiders fans say he sucks, believe it.

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He throws less INTs and takes less sacks than Stafford.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275681]I never hated Kirk. I wanted him to stay here.[/quote]

I never said you did, that's for the people that didn't like Cousins and think Carr would be better.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1275684]I never said you did, that's for the people that didn't like Cousins and think Carr would be better.[/quote]

Oh ok. I must have misunderstood you when you responded to my post with:

[quote]...if you hated Kirk Cousins, you are going detest Carr.[/quote]

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If the 49ers make a move for a QB, I would inquire about Jimmy G. for a 3rd or 4th, much better than Carr.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1275686]If the 49ers make a move for a QB, I would inquire about Jimmy G. for a 3rd or 4th, much better than Carr.[/quote]

Interesting takes you have. You claim Carr takes too many sacks and throws too many interceptions; and say Garoppolo is much better than Carr. Garoppolo career 7.2 sack%, 2.7 int %. Carr career 4.9 sack%, 1.9 int %. Facts don't support your opinions. Overall stats favor Carr over Garoppolo in a big way. Carr is clearly the better trade target, IMO, if he is available.

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I think the WFT needs to move toward getting a franchise QB now. Our DL is the cornerstone of this team, but as their rookie contracts end they will want to be paid. We won’t be able to keep them all.

An elite, franchise QB makes you into a winner. Not surprisingly the teams with the top QB are in the SB. MOST DRAFT PICKS ARE BUSTS. Even when you’re talking about draft picks in the first day, most aren’t even in the NFL in five years. If having great draft picks equaled success, then the worst teams in the NFL would turn in perennial winners - but neither Cleveland or OUR TEAM have done so. Part of the reason the WFT has failed in the last 20 years is because a football neophyte, Dan Snyder, has either made the top draft personnel choices or heavily influenced that choice. Ramsey, Campbell, RG3 and Haskins are all QB draft busts due to our owner.

Trade whatever you have to, to get an elite QB. Watson will cost a king’s ransom, but you’re a contender for 10 years. Stafford will cost far less, but his shelf life is just 3-6 years. Still, getting him will make you a contender for that period.

Alex Smith is not the answer and besides we need his cap savings this season. An immobile QB can not succeed in the NFL today, unless he is a HOF QB, which Alex is NOT. Heinicke MAY be the answer, but even with his monster game against the Bucs, he’s too uncertain to take a chance on. Sign him as a great backup.

It’s easy to say, “find the great QB who can be a HOFer, but isn’t in the top 3-4 QB taken in that year’s draft. MANY, Many GM’s passed up on Brady (6th round), Wilson and Mahomes. Finding the guaranteed winner QB in the draft is a needle in a haystack. Better to bet the farm on one of the QB FA and then build the team around him. Get either Watson or Stafford and then use any juice you have left to get an excellent FA WR and middle LB. The rest of the team you’re going to have to draft.

I’m disappointed that they’re letting Kyle Smith drift away. He’s good at getting starters from the lower draft picks and UDFA. We’ll need that ability if we can win bidding war that will occur for Stafford or Watson.


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[quote=Number44;1275687]Interesting takes you have. You claim Carr takes too many sacks and throws too many interceptions; and say Garoppolo is much better than Carr. Garoppolo career 7.2 sack%, 2.7 int %. Carr career 4.9 sack%, 1.9 int %. Facts don't support your opinions. Overall stats favor Carr over Garoppolo in a big way. Carr is clearly the better trade target, IMO, if he is available.[/quote]

I know right, it doesn't add up. Must be the eye test.

If San Fran is giving up on Jimmy G, that says a lot. Either they don't believe in his ability, or they don't believe in his availability. I'm not even trading a 7th round pick for him, and picking up that contract.

I'm glad he's SF's problem. They'll probably just release him and take the cap hit rather than pay him $50M over the next two years.

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Jimmy G is garbage. No way I'd want him over Carr. I'd rather stick with Allen or Heinicke over JG.

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JMO I would offer the Texans 2021 1st and 3rd round pick, 2022 1st and 5th round pick, and 2023 1st and 6th round pick. This comes with a time limit take it or we move on and look at Stafford.My thinking is make it so whoever gets him has to give up alot. We should make our best offer and move on.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1275695]JMO I would offer the Texans 2021 1st and 3rd round pick, 2022 1st and 5th round pick, and 2023 1st and 6th round pick. This comes with a time limit take it or we move on and look at Stafford.My thinking is make it so whoever gets him has to give up alot. We should make our best offer and move on.[/quote]

Can you throw in your right testicle and two fingers?
NO WAY even if they would take it.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1275666]Yeah but it was a stacked team with Tony Dungy’s players whom he immediately got rid of and they got worse just about every year he was there until he was fired.[/quote]

As I said, he shouldn't have GM powers.

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[quote=MTK;1275694]Jimmy G is garbage. No way I'd want him over Carr. I'd rather stick with Allen or Heinicke over JG.[/quote]

I’m not saying Jimmy G. Is great but he’s a lot better than Carr. I watch all the SF and Raiders games and have seen enough of both. If Carr was better than Jimmy G. Why aren’t the 49ers trying to make a move for him? Bottom line, I really don’t want neither, I either trade for Watson, Stafford or move up for Zack Wilson.

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Jimmy gets hurt looking at grass, no way on him. He's a backup now at best.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275667]Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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We are not getting a top QB for that little. If you had a "top" QB would you trade him for that little? NO. We are getting retreads, nothing more, guys on the downside of their careers whose best years are way behind them.

You have to have the balls to "risk" finding the franchise QB. If your GM can't find one, find a new GM period. Snyder a huge problem, no arguing that.

Rather risk a few picks and find a franchise QB, have him 5 years on rookie deal, and have position locked up for 10 years, than squander picks and need another QB in 3 years.

If your goal is to win multiple SBs, it is abundantly clear how you do that is salary cap era: draft a franchise QB. Older retreads you trade valuable picks for are fools gold. Everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. And by the way, when the Packers drafted Rodgers, they weren't sure he was answer, so they kept drafting QBs. Virtually every team late runs in playoffs has a long term QB they drafted and developed. This is not accidental.

And again, if your GM can't find a QB, find a new GM. We are hosed with RR being defacto GM. We will be very good but never get to the mountaintop. RR will make the short term decision, as most coaches would, as it takes 1-3 years to develop a rookie. Not saying finding a QB in draft is easy, but a good GM can do it.

Snyder will always meddle. Is the goal to win the division and get blown out 1st or 2nd round of playoffs every year, or win the SB? Going to have to beat Mahomes, Rodgers, etc., eventually, and need a true franchise QB to do that. Not a retread. People just don't get it.

There actually isn't a balance to trading draft picks that are gold for QBs on the wrong side of 30 or close to it. You pay through the teeth. Then you don't have enough guys on rookie deals, overpay FA, last decade here in other words.

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With Aaron Rogers being unhappy in GB, I would inquire about him or Jordan Love, see what if they are willing to make a move. By the way, SF doesn’t like Jimmy G. Cause he’s not Montana or Young, their coaches and fans are caught up in that mentality.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1275703]With Aaron Rogers being unhappy in GB, I would inquire about him or Jordan Love, see what if they are willing to make a move. By the way, SF doesn’t like Jimmy G. Cause he’s not Montana or Young, their coaches and fans are caught up in that mentality.[/quote]

I mentioned Love last year, I thought his tape was really good. I doubt they move him though. I also highly doubt ARod leaves.

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Love and ARod are Favre and ARod 16 years apart. I can't see him leaving this year, but I bet he's gone in '23 and does what Brady did in moving to an immediate contender.

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Watson officially has asked for a trade request


Send me your trade offers...now

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[quote=Chico23231;1275717]Watson officially has asked for a trade request


Send me your trade offers...now[/quote]

This years 1st and 3rd next years first and Daron Payne or Jonathan Allen.

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We're not getting Watson, other teams like the Jets simply have better draft position. If they trade Watson you can bet they want a legit shot at one of the top QBs in the draft this year. 19 doesn't get it done.

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Right now I think Watson is going to be too expensive, but if you don't ask you don't get. Right now I talk to the Texans about next 2 1st round picks, and an assortment of lower picks. If we give up 5 or 6 picks spread out over the next 2-3 years, I'd live with that because you get a top tier QB in his prime and you have a very friendly contract to 2025. And still have enough picks to fill the gaps if used wisely.

If they won't even talk, then turn to Detroit and offer a 1st and a 3rd for Stafford. I wouldn't go higher because of age, injury risk and contract.

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Just for kicks though I'd offer our first rounder this year and our first in 2022 and 2023 , probably toss in a 2nd this year and a 3rd next. That still probably doesn't get it done. I'd throw in anyone from the D-line not named Chase Young in lieu of a future first.

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[quote=MTK;1275720]We're not getting Watson, other teams like the Jets simply have better draft position. If they trade Watson you can bet they want a legit shot at one of the top QBs in the draft this year. 19 doesn't get it done.[/quote]

Rap sheet just said "Houston would prefer the NFC and the top 2 teams are Carolina and Washington"

It's about to get interesting lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275725]Rap sheet just said "Houston would prefer the NFC and the top 2 teams are Carolina and Washington"

It's about to get interesting lol[/quote]

So Teddy B would have to be in the trade...still, the cap number would still needs to cuts made for Carolina

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[quote=Chico23231;1275727]So Teddy B would have to be in the trade...still, the cap number would still needs to cuts made for Carolina[/quote]

I think the Jets will ultimately land him, they have the most ammo and Darnold who is still young. I'd offer the next 2 first and Sweat for him today tho

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Heinicke for Watson straight up drop the mic and walk away

(Yeah first quickly sign Heinicke to a 3 year deal)




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But seriously folks,
I would give this years 1st, one of our 3rds and a 5th plus
a conditional 2nd, 5th next year that goes to a 1st, 4th if Watson starts 13 games.

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